Cold/Warm Case

[JonathanD]

Been a while since I did a tracking cold case, so here is a new one. As usual, what species left this?

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/darkcrown_1969/28Jan20117.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/darkcrown_1969/28Jan20116.jpg

[ex-member Raikey]

Looks a bit Kestrely to me JD,...

edit,....buzzardy too , just noticed the scale,..

[resnikov]

Stab in the dark, some kind of owl?

[spiritwalker]

tawny owl pellet? but would be better if you had a second shot with it broken up cause some of the bones almost look fishlike?

[mountainm]

I'd go for an owl pellet too..

[Robbi]

owl for me as well

( vague thoughts of otter ? )

[JonathanD]

No one has it yet. You have to state the exact species. just calling 'owl' isn't gonna cut it :nono:

[Robbi]

big owl with constipation and a sore bum ?

( i know, i know...pellets don't come out of bums ! :) )

[mountainm]

No one has it yet. You have to state the exact species. just calling 'owl' isn't gonna cut it :nono:

Teat Owl? They're very rare - hang around in kitchens

[JonathanD]

Bad bad people.

[resnikov]

Its owlrageous the jokes some people use.

I'll get my coat now.

[JonathanD]

You asked for it and you deserve it...

http://demotivatorsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/b0a1623a3b0453a6217123a.jpg

[Shewie]

Little Owl ?

[spiritwalker]

well i said tawny but i guess its not as its still going so ill go with barn owl or long eared

[gowersponger]

i found one of these the outher day at first i thought it was a dead mouse ,so when i got home i looked it up and found out that it was a owl or anouther bird of preys feces ,inless you saw the bird stool i think it would be hard to pin point what owl or even whatouther bird of prey that done it ,il have a quess at a tawny?

[JonathanD]

i found one of these the outher day at first i thought it was a dead mouse ,so when i got home i looked it up and found out that it was a owl or anouther bird of preys feces ,inless you saw the bird stool i think it would be hard to pin point what owl or even whatouther bird of prey that done it ,il have a quess at a tawny?

Owl pellets aren't faeces, they are the regurgitated undigested fur and bones. Owls eat their prey whole most of the time, so it is well worth dissecting them to see what species they have eaten. They are pretty distinctive from each other, as other bird pellets are, and you can easily tell the species from prey items in the pellet.

Still, no one has this correct. I may get a picture of the insides to shine more light on it.

[Mesquite]

Short Eared Owl?

[_scorpio_]

peregrine falcon? kite?
i just cant think of any owl species that havent been mentioned lol.
is it an owl?

[stekker]

I'm sure it was an awl.
Not sure wich one.

Theo

[JonathanD]

Still no one has it.

[woodspirits]

hmm, sparrowhawk?

[BushrangerCZ]

Here are mentioned all kinds of british owls already, from what I know...

[Karl82]

i belive it maybe a Barn owl ?

[JonathanD]

Still no winners here. It is a difficult one though. I'll give you a clue. It isn't an owl pellet.

[Chambers]

Im going to go for a Little Owl

Its what they spew out isnt it? All the bits they cant digest such as bone etc

[JonathanD]

Im going to go for a Little Owl

Its what they spew out isnt it? All the bits they cant digest such as bone etc

No and yes. Read the post before yours ;)

[Chambers]

No and yes. Read the post before yours ;)
Halfway there but thats all Ive got lol

[ex-member Raikey]

kingfisher??

the bones look very fine...

[JonathanD]

kingfisher??

the bones look very fine...

That is actually a good guess as there are plenty of Kingfishers here. Too big though, and I've only ever found one pellet from a Kingfisher.

[woodspirits]

ok, heron?

[ex-member Raikey]

heron then,...?

[ex-member Raikey]

aaahhhhh !!!! hahahahahah

[woodspirits]

raikey, your as mad as a box of frogs!! :D er, its not frog is it? (kidding)

[JonathanD]

raikey, your as mad as a box of frogs!! :D er, its not frog is it? (kidding)

There is a partial frog skull in there.

Not heron either. Bwah ha haaaaa.

[ex-member Raikey]

are you near the sea???

its not a shag or corma rant you just put there is it,...? let me see,..

i can see very little fur,

but many fine bones,

you said lots of K fishers so near water,..

god knows,...

frogs skull????

maybe carrion then,..

is it a crow?...or rook?...

too small for a Jay

arrrrghhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[_scorpio_]

ooh... bitterling? moorhen? coot? phesant?

[JonathanD]

Someone has just come very very very very very close, but still no cigar.

[nuggets]

magpie ???????

[spiritwalker]

ok ill go for a grebe?

[beachlover]

cormorant?

[_scorpio_]

swan? goose?

[ex-member Raikey]

jackdaw!!,........

[mountainm]

hmm, Baryonyx.... ?

[MrEd]

black headed gull maybe

going on the fish bones, amphibian remains and the other bits, would be useful to see it broken open though

[JonathanD]

magpie ???????

Nuggets you are a genius, well done. I will update teh thread with pics of it broken open. Have to wait for the little'un though as I promised her she could do it.

[MrEd]

cool, quite a hard one that one!

must read my bang and dahlstrom more lol

[_scorpio_]

where did a magpie find a frog at this time of year?

[mountainm]

where did a magpie find a frog at this time of year?

My folks just told me on the phone they've fished 15 dead ones out of there pond as the ice did them all in. So I'm guessing plenty more met the same end.

[JonathanD]

My folks just told me on the phone they've fished 15 dead ones out of there pond as the ice did them all in. So I'm guessing plenty more met the same end.

Yeah, quite a few are perishing and floating to the surface. Magpies will be the first at the scene.

[Chambers]

Just out of interest how can you tell its a Magpie? Obviously not doubting you Im just curous

[JonathanD]

Size, form, shape, location, 'ingredients' and a load of misspent years poking around with poo and pellets.

[Chambers]

Size, form, shape, location, 'ingredients' and a load of misspent years poking around with poo and pellets.

Thanks, if I pick up only a 10th of what you and some of the other guys on here know I'll be over the moon

Keep up the great threads mate

[JonathanD]

Cheers :beerchug:

[nuggets]

:) it was a pure guess on my behalf !!:)-Ive only ever seen owl and kestrel pellets !!! :) cheers

[pango]

Was the pic taken this January, Jonathan, as there is what appears to be a dead moth in the second photo. Possibly just leaf litter. There also appear to be seeds.

I've seen ferrets bringing up pellets/fur-balls. Could it have been one of their smaller cousins... stoat or weasel?

[JonathanD]

It was taken in January... date stamped, bottom right. No moth in there. It was magpie ^^^ see above posts^^^

[Dartmoor navigator]

damn didnt see page 2

[pango]

It was magpie ^^^ see above posts^^^

Thought I'd read all the posts! :banghead:

Cheers, most intriguing!

[Laughoutlouder]

Thought I'd read all the posts! :banghead:

Cheers, most intriguing!

Very interesting!
I almost just did the same thing Pango!!