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Daniel
13-06-2005, 23:49
I carry in my pocket an Opinel 5, which I've made my own by reshaping the handle. Because it's such a trusty knife, I've just ordered an Opinel 8 for taking with me when camping, however when it arrives I would like to re-shape the blade...

I remember reading a post that someone had re-shappen their opinel blade to be a drop point blade, but can't find the post...

The trouble I'm having is thinking of the right tool for the job (filing the back of the point down to a drop point shape). I'm thinking a file of somekind, but not sure exactly. Anyone have any idea what would be best? or anyone actually done this to an opinel, and can tell me what they used?? :confused:

Thanks,
Dan

steven andrews
13-06-2005, 23:55
I'd like to know too..I'd like to drop-point one of my no8's..

JFW
14-06-2005, 00:04
Hi guys,

I remember reading somewhere that a dremmel cutting tool was used to do the majority of the work and was then finished with files and wet and dry.
You might want to post this over on British Blades for a fuller answer.

Cheers

JFW

Motorbike Man
14-06-2005, 00:15
I would say go with the dremel route. Otherwise I think you may be there for a while with handfiles, but if you do, diamond files may be better on the hardened steel

Daniel
14-06-2005, 09:05
Does the type of steel make a difference for the tool you would use? The one I have is carbon steel...



You might want to post this over on British Blades for a fuller answer.

I'll also post this thread on british blades like you suggested, thanks!!

MartiniDave
14-06-2005, 09:08
I've done a couple of opinel blades over the years, an ordinary file works ok, if a little slowly. Try to file more along the blade than across it, away from the handle to the tip.
Even though I've got reshaped opinels, I still tend to use the standard blade shape more, don't know why but that's how it is.

Dave

Daniel
14-06-2005, 09:11
Thanks Dave, when you say 'an ordinary file', being one not familiar with files, I guess there are more than one type?

Which type did you use?

stevec
14-06-2005, 09:20
i'dhave though that an bog standard metal work file from halfords/hombase/b&q/wicks/local hardwear store would do. youmight want to go for a double cut file, the pattern looks like a lot of X's for want of a better description, they cut faster. also remember only apply pressure on the push stroke, files don't cut on the pull stroke generally, and with a hardened piece of steel you'll likly damage the cut of the file. on the other hand, places like argos/index etc usually sell cheapo dremel's that would do the job a lot quicker.
hope all goes well
sc

Doc
14-06-2005, 10:23
Stating the obvious I know, but if you Dremel it wear eye protection.

I've removed a lot of corneal foreign bodies from folks who didn't while grinding steel.

Motorbike Man
14-06-2005, 11:15
If you want to buy a dremel tool, see if there is a Maplin Electronics near you as they have some very good prices (http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=43273&doy=14m6) on 18v ones

Hoodoo
14-06-2005, 13:20
You might try a coarse carborundum stone.

JimH
14-06-2005, 14:14
I remember reading a post that someone had re-shappen their opinel blade to be a drop point blade, but can't find the post...

The trouble I'm having is thinking of the right tool for the job (filing the back of the point down to a drop point shape). I'm thinking a file of somekind, but not sure exactly. Anyone have any idea what would be best? or anyone actually done this to an opinel, and can tell me what they used?? :confused:

Thanks,
Dan

'Twas I, amongst others.

I last used 2 quidsworth of cheap file from a local tool emporium. It was about 30 teeth per inch. It's the same one I use on my (cheap) axes.

The (carbon) Opinel blades are soft enough that anything much should do. I've used the edge of a cheap coarse waterstone before now, at the cost of a slot in the stone (which is good for fish-hook points)

I found resting the blade edge embedded in a plank on top of my B&D Workmate gave a good working height. Extend and lock the blade, sink the edge, and work in smooth strokes toward the point along the spine of the blade from around the fingernail slot (where the spine is kinked) and work it to a smooth curve with the point wherever it pleases you most...

Dremel definite overkill, in my view. I think it took me about 10 mins with the file...

Hope this helps,

Jim.

leon-1
14-06-2005, 14:25
I would suggest you stick with files as JimH did, with files you have far more control over the end result.

With the dremmel it is all too easy to make a mistake that you will then have to live with, with the high speeds that those disks are running at if you slip or grind too far then the whole project goes down the drain, only a suggestion and a point of view :)

Daniel
14-06-2005, 20:42
'Twas I, amongst others.

Ah yes I remeber it was you now! Cheers you tips have helped loads!
You think it would be best to have the blade held in place by sinking into some wood whilst filing, rather than holding with one hand and filing with the other??

I havn't got a 'workbench' or anything, so do you think a piece of plank something rested on a table would do?


I should have the Opinel this week, so maybe will be done by the weekend! I'll post the finished item up when done!

Cheers for all your tips everyone!
Dan

dtalbot
15-06-2005, 11:21
Secure the plank to the table somehow, G clamp or similar should do it and you should be fine. Or pick up one of the cheapo workmate copies from your local hardware shop or Machine Mart. Mine cost about a tenner from MM and while it aint as sturdy as a more expensive one it certainly does what I need it for.

JimH
15-06-2005, 13:28
You think it would be best to have the blade held in place by sinking into some wood whilst filing, rather than holding with one hand and filing with the other??

I havn't got a 'workbench' or anything, so do you think a piece of plank something rested on a table would do?Dan

Didn't express myself too well. :o

I held the knife by the handle, spine up, point away from me and upward at an angle of maybe 30 degrees off horizontal, then rested the blade on the wood (blade running with the grain). The filing pressure embedded it in the first couple of strokes, which made the whole arrangement nice and stable.

Of course, you have to be careful not to twist the handle or apply much force sideways, or you may take a chunk out of the blade edge...

Plank will be fine if it is heavy or G-clamped/strapped down.

Good luck, and let us know how you get on.

Jim.

Daniel
15-06-2005, 20:22
Cheers Jim, I received the knife this morning, so will hopefully be doing it on the weekend! I'll let you know how it works out!

Daniel
24-06-2005, 09:58
I received the knife last weekend, and finished the blade last weekend too, but just havn't got round to posting it until now.

I used a file to get most of the blade down to the shap I wanted, and then used the side of an old coarse waterstone to finish off the shaping and smooth the part I had filed.

Havn't yet got round to reshaping the handle to 'fit' the new shape of the blade. Anywho, here's a pic if anyone's interested:

JimH
24-06-2005, 16:05
I used a file to get most of the blade down to the shap I wanted, and then used the side of an old coarse waterstone to finish off the shaping and smooth the part I had filed.

Good stuff, glad it worked out well. You should find it makes the point tougher, as it's less long and thin. If you are like me, you'll find the point shape and alignment more convenient for use, too.

Jim.

Daniel
24-06-2005, 18:56
And here's the handle, just done this afternoon. Just needs some oiling and I'm finished

Ogri the trog
24-06-2005, 19:01
Hi Daniel,
That looks pretty good, the handle sets of the new blade shape very well - it might even prompt me into doing something to my No 8.

ATB

Ogri the trog

Daniel
24-06-2005, 19:11
You should give it a try! The way I thought about it was if i completely mess it up, I can always buy another for a fiver (there abouts).

jack29g
25-06-2005, 14:43
i got an opinal 6 from a french market, they are cheap as chips and are good knives, however the thing i don't like is the folding blade. i brother got the smallest opinal you can get, it's absolutely pointless, (not literally) It's tiny and would't cut a blade of grass!

VIRULENT SALAMANDER
01-07-2005, 18:25
.... .. I liked the way you reshaped your handel so much I tryed it myself came out well(had a good pic. to work from).
Over the past 20 years or so I've had two/three opinal's and found them fine,sharp & light!.
But today was the first time I've ever got mine wet :((wet).
Just thought you might like to know this before your:o in the field, league's from everwhere.... BECAUSE IT JAMMED UP!
I still think its a good knife tho!

Daniel
02-07-2005, 13:00
Hey VS, i'm glad your knife turned out well! I know what you mean about the 'getting the opinel wet' thing. Whilst reshaping the blade I got the handle very wet (actually dunked in a bowl of water), and after that I couldn't close or open the blade because the handle had expanded.

It does shrink back to normal after a few hours of sitting in the dry though!! I'm now half way through the process of oiling the handle, at the end of it it will have 5 coats of linseed oil, so hopefully that may make it a little bit waterproof..... maybe.

VIRULENT SALAMANDER
02-07-2005, 19:53
yes your right , 23 hours on the handle is dryed out and blade's free again but it's gone a bit rusty, oh well theres an excuse
to get a new one or make one!.:D

Daniel
02-07-2005, 20:55
Have you got a pic of your one you reshaped? I wouldn't mind seeing it...

VIRULENT SALAMANDER
02-07-2005, 22:05
Have you got a pic of your one you reshaped? I wouldn't mind seeing it...
well I can take one but I d'not know how to up load it.so this is what happens when i try...

http://groups.msn.com/SurvivalCamping/bushcraft.msnw?action=ShowPhot o&PhotoID=84

it just leaves a link to it & won't let me upload pic., must find out how to paste the pic. in?.... .. what do you think ,d'not think its as good looking as yours but its my first try!:)

Daniel
02-07-2005, 22:49
Brilliant, I really like it! You must be pleased with it! :D

Pitty about the rust, but maybe some wet and dry on that might take it off?

Once I reshaped my first opinel I loved the fealing of making it my own, and couldn't resist doing it again, so now I have 3 :rolleyes: .. and probably more to come. Good thing is therem so cheap!

Hope you do some more! :)

Dan

VIRULENT SALAMANDER
02-07-2005, 23:08
yes am a little, but it being a carbon steel blade (I think) the rust factor is a bit off putting, yet life is full of swings and roundabouts it seems to stay sharp like others have said around the forum.

I like the way you did your point to.It leaves the blade functional without so much of a threatening look.
its thanks to you posting that I started mine though cheers.

Daniel
02-07-2005, 23:16
I like the way you did your point too. It leaves the blade functional without so much of a threatening look.

Its thanks to you posting that I started mine though cheers.

I do find the blade better that way, and as someone else mentioned it makes the point a bit tougher.

Don't thank me, I started doing mine because of someone else on this forum... Glad you enjoyed doing it! :)

JimH
03-07-2005, 15:57
But today was the first time I've ever got mine wet :((wet).
...
Just thought you might like to know this before your:o in the field, league's from everwhere.... BECAUSE IT JAMMED UP!
still think its a good knife!

There's an old French trick to get round that:

Hold the folded knife by the collar, blade downwards, and rap the butt on a table or other solid flat surface.

The blade will pop out just far enough to get a grip to open the knife.

HTH,

Jim.

JimH
03-07-2005, 16:02
yes am a little, but it being a carbon steel blade (I think) the rust factor is a bit off putting, yet life is full of swings and roundabouts it seems to stay sharp like others have said around the forum.

Opinel do stainless models, too.

Carbon is a better compromise on ease of sharpening and edge retention, generally, though I've never had a stainless Opi. A thin smear of 3 in 1 oil on the blade once a flood does the trick preventing rust for me.

Jim.

VIRULENT SALAMANDER
09-07-2005, 00:16
.... .. Many thanks JimH I never know they made them in s/steel.
Opinel do stainless models, too.
Carbon is a better compromise on ease of sharpening and edge retention, generally, though I've never had a stainless Opi. A thin smear of 3 in 1 oil on the blade once a flood does the trick preventing rust for me.

Jim.
As for the french trick, it makes sense. Only I think I could have hit mine with a sledgehammer and it would have still been stuck. It was very water logged from washing it to remove some blood(which seemed to be in the same place as the rust now!) after cutting up some meat. Bearing in mind I had just reshaped handle without waterproofing it(it was my own thought I know at the time in the back of my mind it would).its been working all since the 5/7/05 till I get it wet again. LOl.

Daniel
10-07-2005, 20:58
Hi,

Just finished the Opinel today, very please with it!! :D

It just finished a week of drying, and then I just polished up the blade with some wet and dry, and then sharpened it. Blimey can those things get sharp :eek: !

Anywho, here's the finished result.

Dan

JimH
11-07-2005, 15:03
As for the french trick, it makes sense. Only I think I could have hit mine with a sledgehammer and it would have still been stuck.
...
Bearing in mind I had just reshaped handle without waterproofing it(it was my own thought I know at the of my mind it would).its been working all since the 5/7/05 till I get it wet again. LOl.

I worked a load of candlewax dissolved in 3 in 1 oil into the lock area, by smearing it at the base of the blade and opening/closing repeatedly. This *seems* (reserving judgement in case of monsoons) to leave it just about workable regardless.

HTH,

Jim.

VIRULENT SALAMANDER
11-07-2005, 21:03
.... .. Hi well you just beat me to it, I've just skined a wabbit and washed to end up with same problem.But noticed that there was rust on/in the hinge area from last time which maybe hard to clean/meaning a posible weak spot forming!
I worked a load of candlewax dissolved in 3 in 1 oil into the lock area, by smearing it at the base of the blade and opening/closing repeatedly. This *seems* (reserving judgement in case of monsoons) to leave it just about workable regardless.HTH,Jim.
I keep thinking I want a little 2"blade with good handle this maybe a good excuss to buy or make one!...Lol.
watch out for the wet poeple!.... ..

Chopper
11-07-2005, 21:24
Very nice work, I am going to have to find my one now. :)