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OK. Those of you who know what this is about know what this is about if you know what I mean (think i've confused myself!!)
A lot has been talked about on this knife - and Robbie seems to have been most forthcoming (and positive about the outcome ;)
I have just ordered one and (if the seller is to be believed) it should be with me in three days.
So give me a week to test it myself (I do have a job you know :rolleyes: )
I am happy to run this as a passaround. Moderators if I have this in the wrong place or am doing it wrong at all please re-direct me.
Never having done one of these before I would say / suggest the following.
(also I posted this here rather than BB because a) they call us mudhumpers or some such :eek: and b) Bushcrafters are more likely to make real-world testers (prepare for the attacks and 'mud' slinging)
I suggest
1. A week per tester to check the knife out.
2. Only known BCUK members need apply i.e people who have more posts than me can apply
3. You test, you pay to send it on to the next person on the list
4. Last person on the list returns it to me.
5. SIX testers (not including me)
6. You post a review of your testing
7. Only apply if you've some relevant experience i.e don't ask to have it if you've never cut a piece of wood in your life.
8. 'The dog ate it' is not a valid excuse. Get me another one (or cut the dog open!)
If anyone feels these conditions are unfair I'm sorry and if you have a real objection PM me and we can discuss it.
I will post my review once the six further testers have been agreed and bear in mind that I want it for at least a week before I pass it on. (and this all of course depends on my receiving the SOG in the first place!) Also Robbie R. you need not apply :D :p
Marts
Oh and call it unfair, but lets keep this in the UK to avoid postage rows
Robbie Roberson
02-06-2005, 06:03
Marts, thank you, I am posting the information below just to make sure anyone involved with this pass around can see the link to SOG and learn how the Revolver operates before they receive it.
SOG knives are always "shaving sharp" out of the box, so take a moment to read the instruction booklet.
The saw is needle sharp also, so pay attention when you rotate the saw blade out, it comes out the top of handle when changing to the saw.
This is a very simple and fast (2 to 3 seconds) knife to operate (once you learn how), just depress the switch and "hold it" depressed until blade is fully rotated into a locked position.
Once it's locked, it stays locked until you depress the release to unlock and rotate. As I say, it is so very simple it will amaze you I think.
I am posting a link to SOG just so you can learn exactly how the knife/switch and blade works. I always put my fingers on top of the blade and push down slowly all the way around until the blade is tucked securely into the handle, then I just reverse this operation.
Last but not least, have an open mind when you receive this knife, it it NOT your usual survival knife, it is actually called a "Hybrid". But it does get the job done, and gives you the almost magical option of having a saw blade within your "typical" straight knife body.
About 99% of the people that sees it operate are really amazed. Then, about 100% of the people that use it in the field are convinced it would make a great survival tool.
Click on "check out how the Revolver works"
http://www.sogknives.com/hrevolver.htm
If anyone needs to contact me, feel free to email anytime, thanks.
Robbie Roberson ;)
Robbierob600@chartertn.net
bushwacker bob
03-06-2005, 22:16
OK Marts,bung my name down.
I had never considered this as a tool I would purchase(I'm tightassed) but my folding saw has seen better days so I'd be happy to give it an open minded appraisal.
Sign me up! :D
One thing to add is that I think people should send it Special Delivery for extra security.
Thanks for doing this Mart. I don't think I should put my name down as I don't have any saws to compare it too but I'll enjoy reading what's said about it
Andy I think that shouldn't be a problem. You can still review it without being able to compare to something else.
If there aren't full numbers from others then I will do. (I might be testing some other knives over teh summer as well :)
Motorbike Man
04-06-2005, 19:55
PM sent Hope I'm not too late :rolleyes:
Ok.
1 Bushwacker Bob
2 Stew
3 Andy
4 Toddy
5 MBM
Space for one more tester...
BTW Knife is in transit at the moment.
Marts
Buckshot
06-06-2005, 09:09
Yes please !!!
Sending PM
Cheers
Mark
and Buckshot makes six.
Ok I'll let you know when I get it and then I'll let you know when I'm sending it on to Bushwacker Bob.
Marts
The General
08-06-2005, 14:07
Hey! Some of us BB ers are mudboggers as well! :D ;)
Motorbike Man
08-06-2005, 18:45
Hey! Some of us BB ers are mudboggers as well! :D ;)
A surprising number of us :D
Robbie Roberson
11-06-2005, 03:51
Hello,
What is the definition of a "mudbogger" ? :confused:
Also..........
Does anyone know if Marts ever received his SOG Revolver yet ?
Thanks,
Robbie Roberson :)
Hello,
What is the definition of a "mudbogger" ? :confused:
I think it's just a term Danzo used to describe bushcrafters over on britishblades
Does anyone know if Marts ever received his SOG Revolver yet ?
no idea
Hi guys.
Just to let you know the hunter revolver arrived this morning from the states. I have lots of first impressions but will refrain from saying anything yet.
Off out to start playing :D (after I've had my motorbike serviced!!)
Marts
Robbie Roberson
12-06-2005, 01:26
Thanks Andy, over here in U.S.A., a mud bogger is a 4 wheel drive with big mud tires........... :D
Marts, awe come on............is it cute ? :p
Or ugly......... :eek:
Is it sharp ? :rolleyes:
Were you surprised ? :D
I really need to know, can't sleep until I know................. :)
Robbie Roberson ;)
I think it's just a term Danzo used to describe bushcrafters over on britishblades
Nah, I coined 'Mudboys'.........
:D
Duck and cover! Incoming! Incoming!
;)
Danzo
I’ve been trying out the SOG for a few days, so this is more an initial impressions review than a long term use one.
http://uk.geocities.com/martynwills@btinternet.com/MWimages/SOGwhole-knife2.jpg
The SOG arrived boxed up from the states. My initial impression was surprise at the size of it. I had expected something bigger, oversize in fact, and was pleased with the actual size - about 2 centimetres longer than a green handled Mora.
http://uk.geocities.com/martynwills@btinternet.com/MWimages/SOG-mora-comp.jpg
Dimension-wise it has a total length of 26cms. The blades are both 11.5cms long, with the knife 3mm wide at the spine and the saw about half this.
http://uk.geocities.com/martynwills@btinternet.com/MWimages/SOG-knife-sheath.jpg
The blade has no steel name on it and the manual simply says surgical stainless (The manual is also for a SOG seal revolver but never mind). I think it is AUS8 with an RC of 57. The blade is flat ground with a secondary bevel at about 40 degrees total (Correct me if i am wrong). The handle is Zytel with stainless steel inserts behind.
http://uk.geocities.com/martynwills@btinternet.com/MWimages/SOG-saw-sheath.jpg
The knife comes in a belt-carry leather sheath. Cost delivered from the US was about £45.
To change from the knife to the saw and vice-versa you simply depress a catch on the handle and rotate the blade through 180degrees.
http://uk.geocities.com/martynwills@btinternet.com/MWimages/SOG-rotating-action.jpg
This system was my initial concern before receiving the knife, but more about that later. On with the testing!
Initially I tested blade sharpness – it easily push-cut paper and cut a circle out of the same sheet. If I had any hairs left on my arm no doubt it would also have shaved them off.
The following tests are all subjective. I chose them because they are what I would normally use a knife and a saw for. Others may have tests more appropriate to their own uses.
Spoon carving. I wanted to know how it performed at general carving jobs. A spoon seemed like a reasonable test of general carving ability. It actually performed better than I expected – the bowl part was tricky with the gut-hook getting in the way of this and also being in the way of where I wanted to choke-up on the blade. With prolonged use the top of the split handle would also be uncomfortable, but it didn’t take long to make a serviceable spoon and this is all you can ask of the knife – It should perform any basic wood-shaping task you asked of it.
http://uk.geocities.com/martynwills@btinternet.com/MWimages/SOG-spoon.jpg
I must also say that I’m rubbish at making spoons and the wood I had was pretty small which may be a bit unfair on the Revolver. I have a feeling it would perform better on a bigger spoon and also in better carving hands than mine.
Battening. This was the test I was nervous about because of the possibility of lock failure leading to the saw blade chomping on my hand. First I tried it on a 7cm piece.
http://uk.geocities.com/martynwills@btinternet.com/MWimages/SOG-7cm-1.jpg
It made it but it was a struggle and I had to remove and re-set the knife a few times.
http://uk.geocities.com/martynwills@btinternet.com/MWimages/SOG-7cm-2.jpg
This is pretty near the limit of the SOG, or any knife this size, but I was also worried about damage to the gut-hook as it took quite a pounding. (Although to be fair it doesn’t seem to have affected it)
Once beyond this first batten the knife performed with ease.
http://uk.geocities.com/martynwills@btinternet.com/MWimages/SOG-7cm-3.jpg
It tore through the wood and apart from occasional glances at the retaining pin, to see if it was still OK, I had no problems reducing it down.
The blade held fine and as others have said before a tight grip on the knife actually embeds the pin deeper into the handle.
Feathersticks. It produced these OK.
http://uk.geocities.com/martynwills@btinternet.com/MWimages/SOG-feathersticks.jpg
It wasn’t as good as a Mora, but I’m used to using a Mora for this. The problem I had was actually caused by the handle flex which I found slightly off-putting for the task. This may well get easier with practice!
Chopping vegetables. No problem. Carrots, mushrooms, cherry tomatoes were chopped up very fine.
I also tried raw rump steak and rare rump steak and it cut through them like butter.
The Gut-Hook. I wasn’t really sure how to test this as I am not someone who has a need for a gut-hook to take apart large animals. For small game and fish a sharp blade with some belly is fine. I tried it on some smaller shoots and it cut them fine, but then so does a knife blade. Also the bottom part of the gut-hook was not properly ground down and it felt like this was catching so that it tore rather than cut.
http://uk.geocities.com/martynwills@btinternet.com/MWimages/SOG-guthook-grind.jpg
Wood sawing. 7 cm diameter wood took the Laplander 25 secs. The SOG took 50 secs and it caught a bit. The main problem with this size of wood was that the Laplander blade is 18cms while the SOG is only 11.5cms. This doesn’t give the SOG much room to cut.
http://uk.geocities.com/martynwills@btinternet.com/MWimages/SOG-laplander-saw-lge-wood.jpg
On smaller 3cms diameter wood it performed much better at 8 secs compared to the Laplander at 5 secs.
I think this performance would be similar through to about 4 centimetres but beyond that it is more of a struggle for the shorter, thicker saw. The Revolver saw is very effective for such a small saw.....Ultimately its length and thickness gives the Laplander the edge in cutting, but it is a good little saw in its own right.
Bone sawing. It went through a lamb’s leg bone in much the same way as wood. If I was hunting Elephants though I’d take a bigger saw. (Not that I’m suggesting that anyone should hunt elephants ;) )
Blade release / safety catch. This engages with an audible click. In all the time I was testing the knife there was no movement from the locking pin and as I said earlier the action of gripping the handle drives it in further. Of course it will be interesting to see how this holds up over time. One thing I do want to point out though, and this may only be on this particular Revolver but the button on the side of the handle was slightly raised.
http://uk.geocities.com/martynwills@btinternet.com/MWimages/SOG-raised-catch.jpg
When I gently depressed this so it was flush with the handle it did move the retaining pin out slightly. It may be over-engineering but it might be safer if there were two – one on each side of the handle. This way it should be impossible for the blade to ever drive off of both pins since they would terminate in opposite directions. From the way you currently hold the handle to release the pin it would be no problem for your thumb to disengage a second pin on the other side.
Overall impressions
The blade. Sharp and held it’s edge. A Carbon one would suit me better for fire lighting. There are grooves on the spine which look more stylistic than anything else but actually let your forefinger sit comfortably and securely when you want more blade control. In the end my only real problem with the blade was the gut-hook which I don’t need and is even a bit awkward for my uses. A plain drop-point though :D .
The saw. This is very effective for its size. It is almost up to dealing with anything the Laplander can, though a bit slower. The double tooth does clog a bit but is easily cleared.
The handle. This is OK given the limitations inherent in the rotating blade design. I am not keen on the ridges along the bottom as they don’t fit my fingers properly – I would prefer a smooth grip. I do also have some issues with the inward flex of the handle but again this is one of the compromises of the design. Personally I would prefer a slightly heavier more rigid handle. This would not flex and would provide more depth for the locking pin to sink into.
The sheath. Quality is fine. It is machined out of 2.5mm leather. It would be nice if it sat deeper in the sheath as it doesn’t feel secure without the retaining strap fastened and falls out when turned much past horizontal.
I am very impressed with the SOG revolver overall., particularly in the concept design itself – Well done Robbie :) . The only issues I have with it are production ones. In the end though I see it as a compromise tool. I like the blade (with the exception of the gut-hook) but prefer my fixed blade. I like the saw but prefer the bigger blade of the Laplander. It takes up less room and it weighs less (c. Laplander 150g, Revolver 100g, Mora 50g). If you only want to take one tool out with you its great. It is also nice having both tools in one – it feels a bit like carrying a large SAK in some ways. It is an all-rounder and if SOG bring out a plain drop-point version in carbon steel I am going to have to have one, but ultimately for me the knife blade is wrong – if this was more suited to me it would be a great woods-knife with the added bonus of a good little saw in the handle. In the meantime I will definitely use it in the future, but I think for me it’s place will mostly be for sal****er areas when my carbon blades can stay at home. If your primary use is in game preparation and general woodcraft / camping use as a secondary concern then the SOG Revolver and a small axe would be perfect. I might also be tempted, if I can find someone to do it, to grind the gut-hook off!
And by the way - Bushwacker Bob it will be in the post in the morning. :)
Marts
Robbie Roberson
13-06-2005, 19:47
Marts,.... first let me say you really scared me for a minute :eek: , I thought that one pic. was a crack :eek: ........ now I realize it is not :D , most switches are perfectly flush with the handle, but occasionally I will see one with a very slight rise it the Zytel switch.
I have to say I am amazed at the quality pics you took!!~ :) , some of the best I have ever seen, I can't wait to tell SOG about this, they will love the pics too I'm sure.
I'll say a lot more later, thank you for your time, energy and a top notch review. (Gosh, that is a great spoon !)
Robbie Roberson ;)
Motorbike Man
13-06-2005, 22:04
Great review Marts, looking forward to having a play with this :D
Buckshot
14-06-2005, 09:19
Ditto that MBM - well done Marts.
I must say, although I would have a use for a gut hook for deer, I personally don't like or use them. They're not needed, weaken the blade and can be a pain to sharpen. I think they're more of a gimmic than anything else. I can see that in 10 years time, no knife blade will have gut hooks built in.
No offence Robbie :D
I will be waiting with baited breath for a play with it though :)
Cheers
Mark
Robbie Roberson
14-06-2005, 17:38
Buckshot, none taken :) hey, I am happy he liked the overall concept and potential, that is all I hoped for. More than anything, I just want people to give it a chance.
I agree on the opinions of blade designs, thats no different than the clothes we wear, everyone has a favorite. The most important thing about this knife that I hope is realized is that it is a workable design, that could be used as a primary or secondary outdoor tool, or addition to other tools.
With the carry weight and working capabilities of this knife, I think it makes a great outdoor tool.
I do however want to emphasis that the knife was not designed for batoning. It was designed for sawing and cutting, all in one knife, the design of this knife is perfect for those two jobs.
This I think was mentioned by Marts when he said it was pretty well all the Revolver or any equal sized knife would be able to do. The Revolver will cut and saw with complete reliablity all day, day after day.
The whole point and design concept for this knife is to provide a lightweight knife and saw that will saw smaller sized trees for shelter making and then smaller diameter poles for anything else needed, and at the same time privide a very usable knife blade. I think Marts did an excellent job comparing the tools, which I think showed that the Revolver can at least hold it's own with comparable sized saws and blades.
Marts, thanks again for such a good review, pics are great too. :)
Robbie Roberson ;)
(Gosh, that is a great spoon !)
Leave my spoons out of this! I'm practicing :rolleyes: ;)
wow!
i was expecting to hear some negative comments on the wood carving front. all the sogs i've ever had, have had pretty steep bevels makining them pretty poor woodworkers.
good review :cool:
cheers,and.
wow!
i was expecting to hear some negative comments on the wood carving front. all the sogs i've ever had, have had pretty steep bevels makining them pretty poor woodworkers.
good review :cool:
cheers,and.
And you may well get them from some of the other testers - I'm afraid I'm not experienced enough a carver to be the best judge of this Sargey. That being said I didn't notice much difference in carving (with the exception of the bowl) from using a Mora
bushwacker bob
17-06-2005, 22:36
I have had a series of playtimes with this knife/saw and here follows my personal appraisal and opinion.
First impressions;- :eek: :eek: Rambos EDC
When I first looked at it,I thought it was dog ugly.This is still an opinion I uphold.It looks too military for my personal taste.It also has plastic handles.Its a high tech, high performance plastic called zytel,but in plain English its still plastic.It was also big enough for shrek to use and made my hand look small.
The knife blade is a bizare shape following the contours of the finger grooves in the handle so as to fit flush when it is rotated to become a saw. It also has a gut hook which is not needed unless you are slaughtering lots of animals which also contributes to make it an even uglier shaped blade.
The knife is however surprisingly light in weight at only 6oz.
It was mostly sharp as I recieved it and was hair popping after a couple of strops.
I tested the saw end first and the action of the revolver was smooth and the lock positive when I swivelled the blade to the saw end. The saw worked well on branches upto about 2" (50mm) and I sawed through a variety of timber including Cypress,hazel,birch and hawthorn as well as a couple of well seasoned apple branches about 3" thick.Which proved a bit tougher and caused me to sweat.
The saw was flawless in performance although the shortish blade meant some effort was required.I also used the saw to make the cuts for a large figure 4 trap mechanism.It was clean cutting and accurate to use. I rated it quite highly and would be happy to use it to make a leaf shelter or cut poles for a camp.
The next stage of testing was the sharp end which is 6" long and sharp.I found the guthook was good for opening hay and straw bales but the cutting edge would also do that.As the blade was long by my standards i decided to cut down a few square metres of nettles as you do when making cordage or thatching a shelter.It was great at this.Little weight meant that the Knife needed swinging and the edge stayed sharp and cut through with little effort.The knife is flat ground with a secondary bevel.it sliced and diced in the kitchen pretty well and was good on feather sticks and sharpening sticks.
Carving a spoon,as Marts attempted was as task too far for me as I tried to choke up on the blade and in order to get control of the tip of the knife I had my entire hand on the blade.Sharp and dodgy!
The concept of this tool is superb and works faultlessly but I would want to see a 4" plain drop or spearpoint blade on it.
If it were mine I would convex the blade profile.I would also change the plastic handles, which make a good tool look cheap.
I would be happy to be lost in the woods with just this tool as it does function very well despite its military background and poor aestetics.
Robbie Roberson
18-06-2005, 05:14
Bushwacker Bob, what a nice and very funny review :D ...."Dog ugly" and shreks knife.......... :) .
OK, it is probably not very pretty to some, and the handles are a type of high performance plastic, (fiber glass reinforced) :cool: .
Not sure about Rambo though :rolleyes: , he may not like the gut hook either. ;)
Thank you for the great compliments on the performance.
This comment made my day ! " The concept of this tool is superb and works faultlessly.........."
That is all I ever wanted, a good working useful knife, even if it is "Dog Ugly". :p
Thanks so much for your time and effort.
One last question, just how big are Shreks hands ? ;)
Robbie Roberson :)
bushwacker bob
18-06-2005, 11:27
One last question, just how big are Shreks hands ? ;)
Robbie Roberson :)
Evidently larger than mine. :D
innocent bystander
18-06-2005, 20:15
Did anyone try it with a ferro rod ?
I was playing with my seal revolver and found that the back of the saw gave a very impressive display - put it this way, it melted through my tracki bottoms, and i wasn't even aiming there ! :eek: . The back of the knife blade, however, rounded off. :confused:
bushwacker bob
18-06-2005, 21:43
I'll pop into the garden and try it now!
Back in 5 minutes :)
bushwacker bob
18-06-2005, 21:45
Yep. It works a treat.a veritable welding set.
Robbie Roberson
18-06-2005, 22:16
Innocent bystander, Bushwacker bob, please explain what you are doing so I can pass this along to SOG. :eek:
I take it you are using the saw teeth ? Or the back of the saw ?
Does it spark better than average or as good as most ?
Robbie Roberson ;)
innocent bystander
18-06-2005, 22:28
Hey Robbie, using the back of the saw blade you get the mother of all fireballs. Like i said it went through my tracksuit bottoms, and i wasn't even aiming at them !!!!! :eek: Now that's a good thing if you want to start a fire. :D A1 i would say.
With the main blade, it started well, but i am positive the edge of the spine of the blade rounded slightly, which probably ain't the best thing. After so many strikes (don't know how many), it'll get harder to get a spark. But with the back of the saw doing so well, it isn't to big a problem... :D :D :D I'll just use the back of the saw....
Robbie Roberson
18-06-2005, 22:51
WOW ! :eek: Very good info. and very good to know. I had never tried that.........all this time of using and doing things with the Revolver..... :o
As soon as I get a chance I am going to try it myself. Thanks so much for the information.
Now if we can figure out how to make a spoon with the Revolver :rolleyes:
Robbie Roberson ;)
bushwacker bob
19-06-2005, 15:03
Now if we can figure out how to make a spoon with the Revolver :rolleyes:
Robbie Roberson ;)
Shorten the blade and ditch the gut hook...and straighten the spine :D
I used the back of the blade end, in the main dip of the roller coaster back.
Did anyone try it with a ferro rod ?
Maybe this is what the gut hook is really meant for! ;)
bushwacker bob
20-06-2005, 13:01
Knife has been posted and should be with Stew tomorrow
bushwacker bob
22-06-2005, 21:37
Have you recieved it yet Stew?
Robbie Roberson
23-06-2005, 05:22
I hope he got it and is making me a spoon..............a BIG one....... :rolleyes:
And maybe a fork on the other end.................. :p
Robbie Roberson ;)
I hope he got it and is making me a spoon..............a BIG one....... :rolleyes:
And maybe a fork on the other end.................. :p
I've got it and will report more later.
A big spoon, you say? :D
Robbie Roberson
28-06-2005, 04:47
Yes, pretty big.........I mean big enough to scoop a bunch of beans out of a pot.........pretty fast. :rolleyes:
Robbie Roberson ;)
P.S. Don't you just think it's neat how it works ?
Yes, pretty big.........I mean big enough to scoop a bunch of beans out of a pot.........pretty fast. :rolleyes:
Will this be big enough? :cool:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/sjlight/RevolverSpoon.jpg
It took a while to get to this stage. It still needs "refining" but you get the idea of what it'll end up like!
Robbie Roberson
28-06-2005, 17:50
Gosh ! That is a really big spoon.................... :D
Perfect size for my big mouth my wife says........... :rolleyes:
That will make a wonderful spoon, now you have me wanting to try one.......... :cool:
Robbie Roberson ;)
now you have me wanting to try one...
Go for it!
Ok,
one it's way to MBM RMSD.
Why not Andy? - He declined as he doesn't feel he could contribute anything. Does this mean there's another space?
Why not Toddy? - she's a bit swamped withloan knives so would like to try it later on.
Thoughts:
It was nice to use a thick bladed pull saw for a change. Although you shouldn't need a thick stock on a pull saw due to the nature of the stroke, it happens every now and then that the blade snags as you're pshing forward and the blade bends. This isn't going to happen with the revolver.
The blade was a good size and cut very well but I didn't feel I could use it to it's full potential because of the gut hook. I couldn't choke up on it right or push with my thumb.
The mechanism itself was obviously very secure yet although it didn't release by mistake, I still couldn't trust it fully at the end. Maybe the slight rattle didn't help to remove my fears. Thinking about it now, it would only be a problem if the mechanism released while you were using the knife as in the other config, the blade points to the centre of the handle.
The other annoying thing is that the blade has a slight roll on the edge where it has come into contact with the locking pin.
All in all, I was pleasantly surprised by how much I liked it compared to how much I thought I would hate it. I'm not fully convinced yet but if I had only one tool with me, this would be acceptable.
If theres any spare places, I'd be very interested in having a look, like you Stew I'm still fairly scepticle at the thought of a blade edge just below my hand in the handle.
If theres any spare places, I'd be very interested in having a look, like you Stew I'm still fairly scepticle at the thought of a blade edge just below my hand in the handle.
Why not.
So if MBM wants to send it on to Lithril when he's done and then unless there's anyone else it can come back to me from Lithril.
:)
Motorbike Man
30-06-2005, 22:46
Why not.
So if MBM wants to send it on to Lithril when he's done and then unless there's anyone else it can come back to me from Lithril.
:)
Looking forward to having a play with this. Innovative designs can always be a bit worrying so it's nice to get the chance to see how it will compare to my folding saw and knives :D
If Lithril pms me his addy it would be usfefull in a week or so :D
EDIT - Having said that, I'll be in Southampton next weekend, could always arrange a hnadover rather than trust the post :D
Robbie Roberson
01-07-2005, 05:16
Stew, Thank you for the time spent, hope you got the spoon done :D
The blade shape/design seems to be the main overall concern so far in reviewing the Revolver.
The mechanics of this knife are hard to explain, even though it's really simple. The lock pin is called a "Floating" pin, which means it has to move a very slight amount to lock/unlock the blade.
Did you notice the hidden stop in the handle ? It will never allow the blade to rotate down. This combined with the lock pin makes the blade very secure.
Both blades are " blunt " on the bottom sides, the sides that would come in contact with your hand if you were pushing down and a blade edge could come down.
The slight roll on the blade edge happened when someone did not "depress" the lock pin to allow the blade to enter the handles, instead, the blade edge hit the lock pin. :D
The slight roll can be removed in about 1 minute or less with a ceramic rod. It is usually about the size of a pin head if contact is made with blade.
I think this knife will hang right with you, this knife will cut a saw all day long.
I ask a lot more out of this knife than I do any of my other knives.
Thank you again for your positive remarks, I appreciate knowing these things. I am glad you liked it more than you thought you would.
Robbie Roberson ;)
Buckshot
01-07-2005, 09:11
Why not.
So if MBM wants to send it on to Lithril when he's done and then unless there's anyone else it can come back to me from Lithril.
:)
Wasn't I in the list somewhere? :(
Cheers
Mark
Oops :o
Sorry Buckshot you are after MBM! Then Lithril.
(Different page and all that!) :rolleyes:
:p In that case MBM ignore previous PMs ;)
:p In that case MBM ignore previous PMs ;)
Sorry about that Lithril. Me and my brain! :cool:
Buckshot
01-07-2005, 10:52
It's OK, send to Lithril first as it's been organised, I'm not worried.
I just don't want to miss out completely :(
Cheers
Mark
I'm not worried, Mark, I'm going to Snowdon next week anyway so the week after will probably be better for me.
Motorbike Man
01-07-2005, 12:16
Arrived safe and sound today. First impressions are the usual SOG quality feel, a very substantial sheath and a saw blade much more silid that I was expecting. Initial concerns about the rattle dissapeared as I held the knife in a way that I would use it and everything tightened up, but I do forsee problems with the blade hitting the pin by accident.
I'll post more once I've had a play and then on to Buckshot
Cheers guys :D
EDIT - I'm guessing Shrek's hands are about as big as mine as I find the handle very comfy indeed :D
Erm, I think Toddy still wants to have a try with this just later down the list.
Robbie - the spoon is essentially finished. Needs to dry and have a bit of a sand. I'll post a picture when I have time.
p.s. I did notice the hidden stop.
Erm, I think Toddy still wants to have a try with this just later down the list.
Robbie - the spoon is essentially finished. Needs to dry and have a bit of a sand. I'll post a picture when I have time.
p.s. I did notice the hidden stop.
So Lithril to Toddy then.
I have been thinking about ultimately changing the blade by taking the gut-hook off. I did notice that this would effectively render the hidden stop useless as the shorter blade tip would clear it. So it would rely on the main locking pin only.
Graham_S
01-07-2005, 17:06
looking at the sog website, if you dislike the gut hook, why not get the seal revolver? (although it has a part serrated blade which i'm not a great fan of)
looking at the sog website, if you dislike the gut hook, why not get the seal revolver? (although it has a part serrated blade which i'm not a great fan of)
I think you answered your own question there! :D
Graham_S
01-07-2005, 17:51
not really, it depends on what you dislike most. the serrations or the gut hook. i suspect that it's easier to remove the serrations.
Motorbike Man
01-07-2005, 19:48
not really, it depends on what you dislike most. the serrations or the gut hook. i suspect that it's easier to remove the serrations.
Not really, you'd lose a LOT of blade taking out serrations, at least the depth of the radius on the serration
theorsmeister
02-07-2005, 00:56
Nice review, very comprehensive,
My main problem would be the constant worry that when cutting I would get a saw stuck in my hand and when sawing (possible more vigorous) that I would cut open my hand with the blade, after noticing the movement and the securing pin moving about I would probably put it down, or only use it to cut up dinner, and that is at a push.
How strong is the lock, because I reckon after time and time again of batonning and heavy sawing it could weaken (metal fatigue) everything weakens eventually and when it does you are in trouble.
How strong is it? Would you recommend it as a safe tool?
By the way, I though they did a drop point bladed one, (i may be wrong).
Good review though, and if you think it is gonna hold, fine, also why did you get a gut hook blade if you dont ever have to cut open large animals? or is that the only one you could find.
Robbie Roberson
02-07-2005, 03:22
Theorsmeister, If you don't mind, I would like to respond to some of your questions and statements about the Revolver knife.
You wrote: My main problem would be the constant worry that when cutting I would get a saw stuck in my hand and when sawing (possible more vigorous) that I would cut open my hand with the blade, after noticing the movement and the securing pin moving about I would probably put it down, or only use it to cut up dinner, and that is at a push.
My response: How do you get the saw to "rise up" out of the handle if the pressure you are exerting from cutting is causing the saw blade to be pushed downward, where the bottom edge is blunt ? :confused:
The locking pin has a slight amount of movement which is normal because it is called a "floating pin". Any knife in the world that is batoned takes a beating... :rolleyes: imagine what a knife with a lock pin to secure the blade goes through, we never said it could be batoned day after day. But it can (and has) cut and sawed day after day, for several years now.
You ask: How strong is it? Would you recommend it as a safe tool?
My response, it is very strong for cutting and sawing, it will do this all day long, with the best of them.
It's not a miracle super tool, but it will work as hard as any 4 or 5 inch knife in the world........IMO.
Robbie Roberson ;)
theorsmeister
02-07-2005, 18:49
Oh, I didnt no that is how the knife rotates, soz!!
I would still be a little scared of getting hurt, but if u say so,
sorry for jumpin to conclusion m8!!
Justin Time
02-07-2005, 19:51
Oh, I didnt no that is how the knife rotates, soz!!
I would still be a little scared of getting hurt, but if u say so,
sorry for jumpin to conclusion m8!!
a good tip is to read the whole thread... this learned from experience of many foot in mouth accidents myself :rolleyes:
Robbie Roberson
02-07-2005, 22:15
It's really ok, I'm used to a certain amount of negative response, It is easy to misunderstand just by looking at pictures, happens all the time.
I have cut the crap out of my fingers many times in over two years . But not one cut has been because of failure of any mechanical part on the Revolver.
Just failure for me to watch what I was doing while working with sharp blades. :rolleyes:
It's fairly new, thats why it's hard for some to accept and understand. After 5 years of show and tell (including showing protos), I have come to realize that most people like the idea of the Revolver, then they like it even more after they used it because it really works.
I don't think anyone sticks foot in mouth, I just think they voice opinions, and I am keeping track of these ideas and opinions through several pages of forum responses. I plan to approach SOG with a bunch of new ideas and blade suggestions about the Revolver knife after testing/reviews are complete.
Thanks a bunch for your help and input concerning the Revolver.
Robbie Roberson ;)
theorsmeister
03-07-2005, 05:36
I didnt mean to offend you Robbie,
I was just asking if it is guarenteed safe.
I am something of a sceptic, but I am considering buying one and did when I first read a review in Gun Mart mag.
Btw, Marts, cud u bring it along to the Summer meet in south Wales.
I wud like to have a look, if u dont mind, I would quite like to buy one and if u got yours for £45, i would consider it coz that is a good price, I am sure Gun Mart sed they were £85!!!
Robbie Roberson
03-07-2005, 06:09
You did not come close to offending me........ :D Really.
I am used to questions or comments about function, usefullness and safety.
No it's not written "guaranteed safe",..... are there any knives that are ? I don't think there is a knife in the world that has mechanical parts, states that any function, locks, folding or otherwise is risk free from any form of failure.
The knife is very safe to cut and saw with all day long, and has done so for over two years. You would not be dissapointed at all if you tried one, it works very well.
Robbie Roberson ;)
Robbie Roberson
16-07-2005, 03:13
Hey folks, I thought I would bring this back up for the weekend. :)
I will leave this thread alone after this :) ,
Did anyone else on Marts list get to try the Hunter Revolver ? If so, anyone else have anything to add to the final grade of the Hunter just for my personal notes ?
I just wondered how the others liked it, and thanks to those who took time to review it. Wish I could have provided Revolvers for everyone to try.... :D
Over all, my impressions of the reviews here in UK, at least by what was written was this...........most liked the Hunter more than they thought they would, most seem to have no complaints about the way the knife worked or performed.
No one seemed to care for the gut hook blade design :( (sorry). And a few did not care for the handles.
If I am incorrect in these assumptions, please let me know. I sincerely appreciate the chance to show the Revolver to some of you, and I sincerely thank Marts for providing the Revolver for everyone to try.
If I can ever be of help in any way concerning the Revolver or SOG knives, please don't hesitate to contact me by email anytime. I will be here on the forums quite often reading and enjoying your threads, thanks again.
Robbie Roberson ;)
Inventor of the SOG SEAL Revolver.
Robbierob600@chartertn.net
Motorbike Man
16-07-2005, 09:07
Hey folks, I thought I would bring this back up for the weekend. :)
I will leave this thread alone after this :) ,
Did anyone else on Marts list get to try the Hunter Revolver ? If so, anyone else have anything to add to the final grade of the Hunter just for my personal notes ?
I just wondered how the others liked it, and thanks to those who took time to review it. Wish I could have provided Revolvers for everyone to try.... :D
Over all, my impressions of the reviews here in UK, at least by what was written was this...........most liked the Hunter more than they thought they would, most seem to have no complaints about the way the knife worked or performed.
No one seemed to care for the gut hook blade design :( (sorry). And a few did not care for the handles.
If I am incorrect in these assumptions, please let me know. I sincerely appreciate the chance to show the Revolver to some of you, and I sincerely thank Marts for providing the Revolver for everyone to try.
If I can ever be of help in any way concerning the Revolver or SOG knives, please don't hesitate to contact me by email anytime. I will be here on the forums quite often reading and enjoying your threads, thanks again.
Robbie Roberson ;)
Inventor of the SOG SEAL Revolver.
Robbierob600@chartertn.net
Sorry about this guys, I still have itbut I've been a bit ill (Trust me you don't want to know :eek: ) which is why I haven't been able to get to the post office. I'm better now but working today so I'll get it in the post on Monday.
I would agree with the conlusions you are drawing Robbie, although I find the size of the handles to be just about right but then I have got big hands. If I was to design a MK2 if you like, the only changes I would make would be to lose the gut hook and have a drop point blade. My other change would be the addition of a detent ball the same as on a folding knife which would be just enough to stop the blade hitting the locking pin and rolling the edge. This is I have to say (For me at least) the biggest problem with this knife as in normal use it's something that I feel would happen on a regular basis and a detent ball set to stop the blade just before it hits the pin would at least stop it 90% of the time.
The saw blade works surprisingly well compared to my longer folding saw. The shorter blade isn't really a problem once you get used to it, especially as before I got a folding saw I used to use the saw blade on my Leatherman Wave all the time.
The knife feels like the usual SOG quality and does feel like it could withstand some punishment although I wouldn't feel confident battoning with it, but then I have both larger knives and an axe should I ever need to split larger stuff
Many thanks to Mart for the passaround and to Robbie for taking such an active roll in the discussions and again, my apologies for the delay.
P.S. it the first time for ages I've seen a knife in a leather sheath that actually smells of leather and not chemicals :D
Motorbike Man
18-07-2005, 11:00
I'm going to get this into the post today, but I'm a bit confused as to who's next, is it still Lithril?
Me too!
I think it was Buckshot then Lithril then Toddy. :confused:
Buckshot
18-07-2005, 16:22
Oh goody ! :D
Have you got my address MBM?
Motorbike Man
18-07-2005, 18:56
Oh goody ! :D
Have you got my address MBM?
I have indeed Buckshot, missed the post today, but I'll get it sorted tomorrow :D
Now Robbie must be praying that if anyone has a use for the gut hook it's Buckshot :D
Motorbike Man
18-07-2005, 23:46
Now Robbie must be praying that if anyone has a use for the gut hook it's Buckshot :D
:D
Overall, I was surprised at how useful it really was, with a different blade shape I'd definately consider one :)
Ok, now I'm confused. I thought this did not come without the gut hook and serrations. Brigade Quartermasters shows a plain edged model with no guthook.
:confused:
BQM Revolver (http://www.actiongear.com/cgi-bin/tame.exe/agcatalog/level4c.tam?xax=13102&pagenumber%2Eptx=1&M5COPY%2Ectx=26702&M5%2Ectx=3451&M2%5FDESC%2Ectx=Pocket%20Tools %20%2D%20Leatherman%AE%20%26%2 0Other%20Types&level3%2Ectx=level3c%2Etam&BC3%2Ectx=Knives%2C%20Pocket%2 0Tools%2C%20Camp%20Tools&BC4%2Ectx=Pocket%20Tools%20%2D %20Leatherman%AE%20%26%20Other %20Types&backto=%2Fagcatalog%2Flevel3c% 2Etam)
Ok, now I'm confused. I thought this did not come without the gut hook and serrations. Brigade Quartermasters shows a plain edged model with no guthook.
:confused:
Hmmmm :confused:
Robbie?
Gents I would think the main difference is that the one in Hoodoo's link is the SEAL Revolver.
The one that you are looking at here is the Hunter revolver and as such the hunter has a gut hook and other bits :D
Leon, I think most people knew that. The question is about the revolver in general. I think lots of people thought like I did, that there were only two configurations, one with the gut hook and straight edge, and another model with a partially serrated blade. I even went to the SOG website once and could only find those two configurations.
Revolver (http://www.sogknives.com/revolver.htm)
Ok, here's what BQM told me. They only have the partially serrated version. Evidently it was originally available without serrations but no longer.
I know Robbie's gone quiet on this thread.
I've e-mailed himas he's probably the best person to clear it up. That link sure looks like a non guthook option without the serrations
socintel
20-07-2005, 21:01
Must be an older version. I did a search on google for a plain edged SEAL Revolver and there are a TON of links. :eek: click here (http://www.google.com/search?q=plain+blade+SOG++%22S EAL+revolver%22&hl=en&hs=Ree&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official_s&start=0&sa=N)
The funny thing is that most of them are listed as being made out of AUS-6 stainless steel...... weird :confused:
Robbie Roberson
21-07-2005, 02:42
Sorry I am a little late on responding, been very busy. I have been reading the forums every day but could not respond until now.
There was never a "plain edge" clip point (SEAL) model produced, the pictures of a plain edge were taken of a "prototype" that was never made. :cool:
Except for one and it was a prototype, wish I knew where it was... :rolleyes:
So................to sum it all up, there are no plain edge blades except the Hunter with gut hook and the Tanto blade on the Double Action models..............maybe there will be though, I sure hope so.
Socintel, as you said, there are a TON of links that list the Revolver series as having AUS-6 steel, I sent many emails to many sites to ask them to correct this, I could not reach them all. :(
All the SOG Revolver knives have AUS-8 stainless steel. Thanks a bunch for all the interest and please contact me anytime if I can help.
Robbie Roberson ;)
I'm so relieved someone finally sorted this all out; I could not for the life of me work out why I had been interested in a kniife with a gut hook :confused: and was sure the one I'd originally looked at didn't have this or serrations either.
Robbie you must get sick and tired having to explain all of this to folks, thanks for the patience,
Cheers,
Toddy
There was never a "plain edge" clip point (SEAL) model produced, the pictures of a plain edge were taken of a "prototype" that was never made. :cool:
Except for one and it was a prototype, wish I knew where it was... :rolleyes:
Thanks Robbie. At least I know I'm not going insane now. :D
Robbie Roberson
21-07-2005, 18:27
No body is crazy, :p glad I could help, just wish I could provide a blade shape for everyone because the Revolver is a very handy and versatile knife.
The clip blade, satin finish "SEAL" model (shown below) is the closest blade design to the drop point mentioned here on these forums.
http://www.agrussell.com/knives/by_maker/s_through_z/sog_specialty_knives/sog_revolver_blacktini_coating .html
I still can't figure out for the life of me why I did not think of this idea (Blade/saw in a straight knife design) 30 years ago when I could have used it so much more. :(
Thanks again for the interest. :)
Robbie Roberson ;)
Buckshot
22-07-2005, 10:21
I have indeed Buckshot, missed the post today, but I'll get it sorted tomorrow :D
Haven't received it yet MBM, is it lost in the post ? :eek: :eek:
Cheers
mark
Motorbike Man
22-07-2005, 10:28
Haven't received it yet MBM, is it lost in the post ? :eek: :eek:
Cheers
mark
Sorry, not lost in the post, but I've been a bit icky again :( I'll post it today.
Really sorry
Buckshot
22-07-2005, 11:13
OK cheers, just didn't want it to missing.
Sounds like you're struggling atm :(
Hope you're better soon
Cheers
Mark
Motorbike Man
22-07-2005, 13:21
OK cheers, just didn't want it to missing.
Sounds like you're struggling atm :(
Hope you're better soon
Cheers
Mark
Getting there, the biggest problem is my immune system has taken a pounding.
Anyway, it's now in the post, RMSD ZU 6407 5322 6GB
Again, my apologies for the delay.
Buckshot
22-07-2005, 13:28
Dare I ask what you have/ had?
Thanks for posting it, I'll have it on Monday then...
Are you going to MM next weekend?
Cheers
Mark
Motorbike Man
22-07-2005, 18:51
Dare I ask what you have/ had?
Thanks for posting it, I'll have it on Monday then...
Are you going to MM next weekend?
Cheers
Mark
The doc isn't entirely sure what it was other than some kind of viral bug :rolleyes:
As for MM, unfortunately not only do I have a prior engagement but my bike is off the road at the moment thanks to a dead coil :(
Razorback-Knives
24-07-2005, 15:46
Hello, Robbie is a personal friend of mine and I'm glad to see everyone giving the Revolver a try. I have one and it's part of my regular outdoor gear. Robbie told me about this forum so I'll be reading probably more then posting for awhile. :) Thanks
Scott
"Tools for the serious outdoorsman"
www.razorback-knives.com
Robbie Roberson
25-07-2005, 03:55
Scott, glad you made it over here. These are a bunch of good people too. Plenty to read and lots to look at.
Robbie Roberson.
Buckshot
25-07-2005, 09:18
Received today, thanks MBM :D
I'll have a play and report back...
Cheers
Mark
Buckshot
26-07-2005, 09:10
First impressions then...
It rattles :eek: A little unerving, and if I hadn't read that it's supposed to do that by Robbie I'd have been more worried.
The action is lovely and smooth. The blade rotates round with no bind or force needed. I like the way the back of the blade is contored to match the handle grooves as well
I'm not really a fan of sheaths that have poppers, especially when there are two straps to find and locate to pop together. I did find it a little more difficult to resheath the knife because the hole in the sheath is only just wider than the blade. Having said that I agree it's nice leather and smells like leather too.
I wasn't planning on doing much with it last night but in the end I had to split a seasoned 1.5 inch diameter 6 foot hazle branch into quarters.
It managed it with no problems, battoning it down and then twisting the knife to split it further. The blade is deep enough to be able to be able to just about get enough bend on the stick to controll the split from wandering too far.
It was still sharp enough to create some nice feather sticks after I'd done that as well.
Haven't tried the saw yet but watch this space !!!
I'll write up something more when I've played some more...
Cheers
Mark
Robbie Roberson
26-07-2005, 18:04
Buckshot, you might try a 5/64 allen wrench on the right side pivot, insert and hold thumb on left side pivot with firm pressure. If it does not tighten freely and easily, stop, don't try anymore. The Revolvers pivot is designed to be adjusted/tightened if needed, (done at factory) but SOG uses some sort of loctite on screws so this sometimes is a little harder to do at home.
My Revolvers, after 2 years of use have been snugged/tightened about 2 times. Sometimes (especially since having been used for batoning) :eek: the pivot may need a little tightening, no different than some folders with pivot adjustments.
The rattle you hear is the "Floating pin" slightly moving within the drilled lock hole in knife.
When blade pivot is tightened, it will remove most of the rattle, but not always all. It has to move a tiny bit in order to lock smoothly and easily.
You'll love the saw.......................... :D
Robbie Roberson ;)
C_Claycomb
27-07-2005, 08:28
I trust you WILL be bringing it along for the weekend in Wales?!? :D Would very much like to see the knife all the talk has been about ;)
Buckshot
27-07-2005, 09:09
The rattle you hear is the "Floating pin" slightly moving within the drilled lock hole in knife.
When blade pivot is tightened, it will remove most of the rattle, but not always all. It has to move a tiny bit in order to lock smoothly and easily.
Robbie Roberson ;)
I realised about the floating pin, but only because of reading your comments here. Don't know if there is anything in the box from new which explains this? Will try tightening.
I'll play with the saw soon...
I trust you WILL be bringing it along for the weekend in Wales?!?
Yes, Thought it'd be an ideal opportunity for people to see it! I'm planning on doing the meat prep with it as an extra test as well... :D
Cheers
Mark
Buckshot
27-07-2005, 16:17
How's next on the list???
Me next on list, if you've finished with it by the end of the weekend, I'll take it then if it'll save you the postage.
Buckshot
04-08-2005, 10:51
Having played with it for a bit my thoughts...
It's stronger than I thought it might be, it's obviously designed as a user and not a gimic knife. It performed everything I asked of it with no problems at all. From slicing pigeon breast to battoning wood it worked well.
The saw does work well and the sheath isn't as bad as I first posted, I was doing that from memory and got it wrong - sorry Robbie. :(
The only design problem I've got with it is the way the blade edge can hit the pin when rotating it to use the saw blade. When you've spent so long getting a scary sharp edge on the blade only to have a dent put in it is annoying to say the least :eek:
The rattleing wasn't anything to do with the tightening Robbie. I tried with the alan key and it was tight enough anyway. I think it's the retaining pin that rattles. I understand why it does - becasue it's a floating pin and sits free - but even so it's annoying when walking around and using it can be a little unnerving. Not that I think the pin will fail, I think it's well designed, but usinga knife that rattles.....
So in conclusion, it's a well designed knife (except for the problem mentioned above) and it will stand upto lots of abuse. I don't really like the blade shape or the gut hook (but you knew that anyway!). As someone said at the meetup (I forget who so appologies for not quoting this properly) ' It looks more like a survival knife than a bushcraft knife'. Perhaps a wooden handle and drop point blade would calm the appearance more.
I would use one with no problem at all if it was given to me but I don't think I'd buy one, personal chioce though.
Thanks for the opportunity to try it out :D much appreciated.
Cheers
Mark
ps. given to Lithrel at the weekend.
Robbie Roberson
04-08-2005, 18:18
Buckshot, thanks so much for your time and input. I appreciate your honesty and ability to back up on certain things.
I learned many years ago, the older I get, the more able I am to never say never..........for sure. :D
In some Revolvers in the past, I have took 98% of the extra movement out of the blade by pivot tightening. Though you are right, some it does not help and is just a by-product of mechanical tolerances.
As I said in other post, if you own this knife for a couple weeks, you realize that if you rotate to another blade, you simply depress switch and "hold" until blade is tucked into handle then release, this helps a lot on pin dings.
I am very proud of this knife, it has come light years IMO from where it started, and it really works, though not perfect, very useful and very tough. These reviews have helped me understand different opinions, blade shapes etc.
I wish I had the power to contact SOG and say, I want a drop point, solid wood handled knife for my buddies in the UK.......... :D But I don't........... :(
I feel the reviews so far have been an overwhelming success, mainly because most (if not all) here said they felt it was a good knife, it really works, thats worth alot to me. I am still amazed at how much people over here in the USA really like it especially after they use it. I have had people say they will never go anywhere without it, and always have it in their cars or trucks.
There is one book out now I just found out about that mentioned the Revolver with a pic. as a survival knife. Not seen it but hear it was a good mention. This is the book.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0873499670/qid=1123175450/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-5103652-5425406?v=glance&s=books
I have not seen this yet............thanks again.
Robbie Roberson :)
Buckshot
05-08-2005, 11:02
Perhaps it's because it's made more to the US market where they have a slightly different view about things like knives and guns. :)
It's not a bad knife at all, just not my first chioce perhaps. Although if I were going to a wet climate (rainforest etc.) I'd be more than happy to take it becasue of the stainless blade and saw. I imagine that and a machette would work very well together.
Thanks for your comments and time Robbie, I hope they, and you, do very well.
Cheers
Mark
Robbie Roberson
15-08-2005, 05:21
Hello, ........... this will be the last question I ask you people of this fine forum, (maybe) How will I know if I don't ask ? :rolleyes:
Since several of you reviewed/tested and examined the Hunter Revolver, I really need your input on something. I have been wondering about a "Mini Revolver" with a drop point blade and a double cut bone/wood saw on the other end of blade.
A mini Revolver might have a 3.75 inch drop point blade with an equal 3.75 saw blade on the other end, (one inch shorter than the Hunter blades at 4.75). Which would make the overall length of the knife about 8 inches. A full 2 inches shorter than the Revolver is now.
The knife might come with a kydex sheath that could be carried in the coat pocket, belt or even neck carry. The knife would probably weigh between 4 or 5 ounces without sheath, maybe 6 ounces with sheath.
The knife would perform exactly as the Hunter does except it might carve easier because of the shorter blade with a drop point. The blade could be rotated in a second to saw limbs or branches up to about 4 inches.
We've been tossing this around on another forum, but I feel the need for your input since most here said they thought a drop point blade might be a blade they could use with this type knife/saw combination. My main question here is, would it help do what you need to do with a shorter drop point blade ?
Those who used the Revolver, just imagine a much shorter pocket or coat carry sheath knife, but one that has a mini rip saw in the handle..... :eek: Thanks for your opinions and input. Also, I used this thread to "expand on" because I did not want to start another "Revolver" thread.
Robbie Roberson ;)
I'll post my opinion on knife later (at work at mo) whos next on the list as I need to get it sent out?
Motorbike Man
15-08-2005, 08:41
Hello, ........... this will be the last question I ask you people of this fine forum, (maybe) How will I know if I don't ask ? :rolleyes:
Since several of you reviewed/tested and examined the Hunter Revolver, I really need your input on something. I have been wondering about a "Mini Revolver" with a drop point blade and a double cut bone/wood saw on the other end of blade.
A mini Revolver might have a 3.75 inch drop point blade with an equal 3.75 saw blade on the other end, (one inch shorter than the Hunter blades at 4.75). Which would make the overall length of the knife about 8 inches. A full 2 inches shorter than the Revolver is now.
The knife might come with a kydex sheath that could be carried in the coat pocket, belt or even neck carry. The knife would probably weigh between 4 or 5 ounces without sheath, maybe 6 ounces with sheath.
The knife would perform exactly as the Hunter does except it might carve easier because of the shorter blade with a drop point. The blade could be rotated in a second to saw limbs or branches up to about 4 inches.
We've been tossing this around on another forum, but I feel the need for your input since most here said they thought a drop point blade might be a blade they could use with this type knife/saw combination. My main question here is, would it help do what you need to do with a shorter drop point blade ?
Those who used the Revolver, just imagine a much shorter pocket or coat carry sheath knife, but one that has a mini rip saw in the handle..... :eek: Thanks for your opinions and input. Also, I used this thread to "expand on" because I did not want to start another "Revolver" thread.
Robbie Roberson ;)
Robbie that sounds like you're offering almost exactly what everyone has asked for. If I didn't know better I'd say you've actually been listening to the comments people have been making :D ;)
Seriously, IMHO those changes would make it very much more usable in a bushcrafty setting and would I think make for a very popular knife.
At the risk sounding a bit keen, I'll say this
Yes. Do it! :D
I'll post my opinion on knife later (at work at mo) whos next on the list as I need to get it sent out?
I think the last person is Toddy.
And Robbie... Sounds like you're on our wavelength now :D
If there's no one else who'd like a shot, then yes please, I'd like a look. I suspect that I may like the look of the new one Robbie is talking about even more though :D
I'll pm who? I'll check :o
Cheers,
Toddy
Have you got this now Toddy? I've kind of lost track..
Have you got this now Toddy? I've kind of lost track..
Nope, sorry, not me. Lithril had it last I knew of.
Cheers,
Toddy
Robbie Roberson
14-09-2005, 04:04
I don't have it.......... :eek: ...........what did it look like in case I see one ? :rolleyes:
Robbie Roberson :p
I don't have it.......... :eek: ...........what did it look like in case I see one ? :rolleyes:
Robbie Roberson :p
It was a very clever design of rotating knife. :)
I think it was invented by some english bloke as usual. :p
Right it is actually in the post to Toddy as we speak. I do have to apologise though, we boxed most non-essential gear up several weeks ago in preparation for moving house, Sam had actually boxed the knife up and me being the numpty I am forgot about it until about last week.
Sorry again, I'll get the review up a bit later on.
Matt
Guess what has just this minute arrived :D
Husband is playing with it as I type :rolleyes: first impressions (sorry Robbie, *don't* like the hooky thing) are very favourable, it feels very substantial and reassuringly solid; not at all wongey. :) :cool: Gavin says, "It's very clever".
Okay, okay, I'll do the proper review once I actually get to play with it.
Thanks for organising this Marts.
Cheers,
Toddy
Robbie Roberson
20-09-2005, 05:08
Great !! It's ok you don't like the "hooky thing" :D As long as you like the overall idea and design.......... :rolleyes:
OK.......you lost me on the "wongey" part, but if it means it good then thats enough for me.
Please thank Gavin for the compliment, I think it is kind of neat too ! :D
Yes Marts, this has been fun in more ways than just hearing the good or the bad.
It's been a pleasure listening to peoples first and final impressions of the SOG Revolver knife, thank you again.
Robbie Roberson ;)
bushwacker bob
20-09-2005, 15:42
Guess what has just this minute arrived :D
Husband is playing with it as I type :rolleyes: first impressions (sorry Robbie, *don't* like the hooky thing) are very favourable, it feels very substantial and reassuringly solid; not at all wongey. :) :cool: Gavin says, "It's very clever".
Okay, okay, I'll do the proper review once I actually get to play with it.
Thanks for organising this Marts.
Cheers,
Toddy
The 'hooky' thingy is for cutting your wafts when weaving.
suddenly its appealing to you,isn't it Toddy? :D
The 'hooky' thingy is for cutting your wafts when weaving.
suddenly its appealing to you,isn't it Toddy? :D
:D Hmmm, actually it does look like the sley hook used to pull warp threads through the reeds. :) I'm inclined to think of the hook as a *catch & pull through* tool but this one just confuses me, I can't even imagine using it to paunch/gralloch a beast, yet I suppose that's what the American market consider it best suited for.
It's a good tool though; the knife-to-saw action is smooth, easy to operate and locks solidly when it's in place. There's a small rattle that stops as soon as you grip the handle, but that's a very minor quibble. I've no objections to the glassfibre/resin handle.....this is a working tool with no pretentions to be aesthetically *natural*....it's a good firm non-slip grip and won't have any problems if used wet.
The knife is a little long for me to want to use it all of the time, but is excellently sharp and if there were no hook, a good shape too. Green cherry carved/sliced/notched effortlessly. The saw cut off a 6cm thick branch from the cherry tree with no bother at all, the teeth are shark like and take no prisoners!
I'm pleasantly surprised to be more impressed than I expected to be with the Revolver. Gavin likes it, finds the handle comfortable and happily pruned the cherry tree with the saw, besides it's a good gadget kind of thing :rolleyes:
I can appreciate the, "Rambo's EDC" comment; it has a look to it that doesn't blend well with the Bushcraft image; however, that said, if I only had one tool available, to do it all, in an out in the oolou/survival situation this one would do nicely.
I like the sheath too, not over the top but substantial and secure, a nice useable bit of kit.
The hook doesn't work for trimming or de-barking willow or elder :( , but it does catch unwary fingers and small twigs however :o and is awkward to clean.
There's no suggestion of flimsiness at all, (Sorry Robbie, wongey just means bendy like the rrrudddderrrrr noise that a thin knife makes when it's jammed). It's a well made tool, to a really good (hooky thingie apart) design and available at an excellent price.
Do I want one? As it stands, no. I'd prefer no hook and slightly smaller lengthed blades, but if given one, I'd give it to HWMBLT to be his rucksac carry *just in case* knife.
Thanks for organising this Marts, and for your patience while we all got to play with your new toy; and thanks too to Robbie for all the information and feedbacks.
Cheers,
Toddy
Robbie Roberson
21-09-2005, 01:13
That is a great review, :D I sincerely appreciate all the positive remarks about the knife. I do realize the hook is not needed in bushcraft work, though I wish it were.
I am very satisfied and proud that most, if not all so far have seemingly liked the overall design idea. It really warms my heart to know my Revolver knife has traveled so far and is still able to impress.
This has been a lot of fun for me, I have enjoyed so much the ongoing talks about the SOG Revolver. Thank you for your time, sincerely, now.............who's next............ ;) :rolleyes: :cool: .............Marts I would guess ?
Robbie Roberson :D
Yeah me next please :)
I've been looking forward to having a play with this knife for months :p
Motorbike Man
21-09-2005, 09:49
Yeah me next please :)
I've been looking forward to having a play with this knife for months :p
:D
Many thanks for letting your baby out for a holiday Marts, it's always fun to have the chance to have a look at something a bit different.
Buckshot
21-09-2005, 13:35
Ditto that :D
Very decent of you!
Cheers
Mark
Yeah thanks Marts.
Must remember to get that package off to you!
Yeah me next please :)
I've been looking forward to having a play with this knife for months :p
Posted, special delivery, yesterday afternoon. Should be with you on Monday.
Thanks again.
Cheers,
Toddy
Posted, special delivery, yesterday afternoon. Should be with you on Monday.
Thanks again.
Cheers,
Toddy
Cheers Toddy. It turned up this morning as ordered.