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Siberianfury
06-03-2010, 18:40
Ive recently aquired a Hunter catapult from our very own fish, handcrafted in his workshop in wiltshire this is a bit of kit ive been curious about for quite some time. thought id do a little reveiw just to give those who have never used one an idea of what these things are capable of.
so first,
Overveiw
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The Fish hunter catapult is constructed from laminated wood painted either brown or Green, this makes the catapult very durable yet lightweight. its pretty small aswell, much smaller and more compact than the more commonly seen catapult, the Barnett black widow. This makes it ideal to just carry around in a pocket when out on a walk, you will barley notice its there.
Despite its small size the handle is well shaped to aid a positive and strong grip when drawing back the bands. The Catapult is fitted with "two" theraband Gold slingshot bands, beleived to be the very best Bands a slingshot can have, they provide alot of power and a strong but managable pull. the shot pouch is quite small and crafted from leather, its strong, well fitted yet can be a little hard to get a strong hold on when your hands are numb due to the small size.
In practice/ Accuracy
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A common mistake when people first use a slingshot is that they try to aim with it in order to aquire an accurate shot, infact, the best way to achive accuracy with a catty is to aim by instinct, this can only be aceived by hours of practice and effort, however when your skills are honed you will become Deadly accurate with the Catty and be able to make accurate quick shots at targets.
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Hunting/Power
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The Hunter Catapult is capable of Shooting .440 steel or lead balls at around 210FPS, this is around 27joules or 18ft/lbs of power, the legal limit of power for an air rifle is 12ft/lb and most of them fire at around 11ft/lb so its a hell of a lot of power to carry around in your pocket. The ************ removed by forum moderator**************, it is however almost impossible to hit a target at that range with a catty so hunting ranges are limited to around 25yards. I myself have not yet attempted hunting with this catapult yet have seen many photos of ***Removed***** with this wonderful bit of kit...
The picture above shows a lead ball fired into a tree from around 15 metres, a true testiment to the power of this catty.
Good Points
Solid
Compact
Well made
Comfortable to hold
Extreamly powerful
Affordable alternative to an air rifle
Bad Points
Takes alot of time to master
The pouch can he hard to grip with cold/numb hands.
In conclusion the Fish hunter is a brilliant bit of kit, hours of can smashing fun and a brilliant tool for hunting in a pocket sized package, Highly Reccomended
Thanks for the review Josh, I keep looking at them but I don't think I've got the time to get the practise in.
jonnie drake
06-03-2010, 19:31
nice piccy's mate. Have you tried holding it chinese style? it takes a lot of strain off of your wrist, so much easier to aim and hold. I've not used fishes catties yet, but have been using his bands a few weeks now and they are difinately deadly powerful! Your very right about the aiming thing. It's just like throwing, very much an instict thing, im just beginning to get grasp of the aim at the mo.
littlebiglane
06-03-2010, 19:32
Excellent review. Thanks for this.
I like your review. Bravo.
fishfish
08-03-2010, 07:39
many thanks,could do with you at the game fair this weekend!
Ogri the trog
08-03-2010, 07:58
Had I seen this post when it was first posted, I would have done it then.
However, I have removed a number of references to what might be taken as advocating illegal activity - namely poaching.
SF - your review is well written and balanced, but forum rules must be adhered to.
Ogri the trog
farmershort
08-03-2010, 08:03
many thanks,could do with you at the game fair this weekend!
Nice review, Received my brown hunter a week ago.... lost 8 of the 10 free lead balls within about 30 mins of opening it... I tried shooting at a bag of builders sand. Turns out that I'm not that good a shot, as only 1 hit the bag... the rest are lost for all time in the verge.
I've now got to try and find a place to buy a hundred or so .44 balls for cheap, and then set up a decent target.
thanks fish!
Adam
British Red
08-03-2010, 08:09
Any decent gun shop will sell you .44 lead balls - they are used in black powder shooting. No licence required for the balls alone.
Red
farmershort
08-03-2010, 08:58
Any decent gun shop will sell you .44 lead balls - they are used in black powder shooting. No licence required for the balls alone.
Red
yeah, tried my local gun shop at the weekend, no joy... he says he sometimes has them in for catty's, but it's just a matter of waiting till he gets some next - no eta given :(
There's another gun shop I can try though... It'll be an excuse to take my shotgun in anyway... I need someone to tell me if it's strong enough to shoot magnum shot.
Had I seen this post when it was first posted, I would have done it then.
However, I have removed a number of references to what might be taken as advocating illegal activity - namely poaching.
SF - your review is well written and balanced, but forum rules must be adhered to.
Ogri the trog
hunting with catapults is legal though isn't it? with landowners permission etc. i think the wording of the law is that its legal as long as you have the landowners permission, you're proficient enough to kill and use suitable projectiles and you intend to kill.
Ogri the trog
08-03-2010, 12:01
hunting with catapults is legal though isn't it? with landowners permission etc. i think the wording of the law is that its legal as long as you have the landowners permission, you're proficient enough to kill and use suitable projectiles and you intend to kill.
In certain circumstances, yes it is legal. But the species mentioned in the original post were subject to licensing and possibly a restriction on the methods used.
Ogri the trog
TBH, I'm surprised it's legal, given the high chance of maiming an animal, rather than killing it.
I'm curious, the flatband catapults are very powerful, but it also takes a very strong arm to hold one steady enough to aim. I realise that "instinctive" shooting is recommended, though I think a lot of practice is needed to get good at that.
What kind of group size and consistency is considered the minimum acceptable before being "good enough" to take a shot at a live animal?
farmershort
08-03-2010, 12:29
TBH, I'm surprised it's legal, given the high chance of maiming an animal, rather than killing it.
I'm curious, the flatband catapults are very powerful, but it also takes a very strong arm to hold one steady enough to aim. I realise that "instinctive" shooting is recommended, though I think a lot of practice is needed to get good at that.
What kind of group size and consistency is considered the minimum acceptable before being "good enough" to take a shot at a live animal?
there are no 'catapult aiming consistency' police.
Personally I'm hoping to get my groupings to about 4 inches over 25 yards, but even this may be too much to hope for. If I can hit something on the head and kill it, then brill, if I don't hit it on the head, and I just stun it for a few seconds, or wound it, then it's only suffering for the number of seconds which it takes for me to run 25 yards.
Even given this delay, it's still less stress than your average commercial hen would be put through.
there are no 'catapult aiming consistency' police.Maybe there should be?
Personally I'm hoping to get my groupings to about 4 inches over 25 yards, but even this may be too much to hope for. If I can hit something on the head and kill it, then brill, if I don't hit it on the head, and I just stun it for a few seconds, or wound it, then it's only suffering for the number of seconds which it takes for me to run 25 yards.
Even given this delay, it's still less stress than your average commercial hen would be put through.
Well, most people say that you should be able to hit 2" groups at 30 yards, 10 out of 10 with an air rifle before considering yourself good enough to hunt live quarry, it is often said that anything less is irresponsible, inhumane and cruel. Wouldn't that also be true for catty's? Or is there some kind of special absolution for catapult hunters?
Are those kinds of groupings achievable for the average person using theraband flatbands, even at 15 yards?
Would you consider 4" groups at 25 yards good enough to hunt with an air rifle?
Maybe there should be?
Well, most people say that you should be able to hit 2" groups at 30 yards, 10 out of 10 with an air rifle before considering yourself good enough to hunt live quarry, it is often said that anything less is irresponsible, inhumane and cruel. Wouldn't that also be true for catty's? Or is there some kind of special absolution for catapult hunters?
Are those kinds of groupings achievable for the average person using theraband flatbands, even at 15 yards?
Would you consider 4" groups at 25 yards good enough to hunt with an air rifle?
to be honest mate if you hit a rabbit anywhere except the legs with one of fish's catapults it won't go anywhere the impact energy is massive the animal would die of shock if the projectile didn't kill it straight away. are rifles are much more precise at longer ranges but theyaren't as powerful meaning there's a high risk of injuring the animal not killing it.
In certain circumstances, yes it is legal. But the species mentioned in the original post were subject to licensing and possibly a restriction on the methods used.
Ogri the trog
thats fair enough mate i didn't know he'd mentioned anything like that. cheers
farmershort
08-03-2010, 12:56
Maybe there should be?
No
Well, most people say that you should be able to hit 2" groups at 30 yards, 10 out of 10 with an air rifle before considering yourself good enough to hunt live quarry, it is often said that anything less is irresponsible, inhumane and cruel. Wouldn't that also be true for catty's?
Then you've already got an answer to the question you posed yourself. good luck
Would you consider 4" groups at 25 yards good enough to hunt with an air rifle?
Yes. I'd hope for better, but I'll take what I can get. I hunt for food, not for fun. I don't see hunting as anywhere near as cruel as some commercial farming practices. If you're a veggie, then fine, enjoy your life choice... If you eat meat from a supermarket, then there's not much point getting on a soap box about cruelty. As long as I can stop the animal for long enough that I can grab it, that'll do me.
Then you've already got an answer to the question you posed yourself. good luckWell I was hoping for a reasoned answer rather than just a get stuffed response, but there ya go I suppose.
Yes. I'd hope for better, but I'll take what I can get. I hunt for food, not for fun. I don't see hunting as anywhere near as cruel as some commercial farming practices. If you're a veggie, then fine, enjoy your life choice... If you eat meat from a supermarket, then there's not much point getting on a soap box about cruelty. As long as I can stop the animal for long enough that I can grab it, that'll do me.
Not that it's relevant, but I'm not a veggie, I'm pro hunting, most definitely, I'm just anti irresponsible hunting of live animals by people using a weapon that they are struggling to hit the long side of a barn with.
Oh and I dont buy the "I hunt for food" thing. In deepest, darkest Leicestershire, I'm told the the easiest prey is to be had at Morrisons. :D
farmershort
08-03-2010, 13:19
Oh and I dont buy the "I hunt for food" thing. In deepest, darkest Leicestershire, I'm told the the easiest prey is to be had at Morrisons. :D
The point is, you don't have to buy it. between the pigs which we rear in a neighbours garden, and the quarry that I hunt, I never have to buy meat from the likes of morrisons/tesco/etc. This is my preferred way to live... well, it's halfway along the road anyway...
It's not irresponsible. breaking a rabbits leg in half and leaving it to die a slow painful death would be irresponsible. And the 'get stuffed' response was merely to counter the 'its irresponsible to shoot at an animal unless you can target it's heart/brain with pin point accuracy 100% of the time' response. I certainly don't know anyone who can do the latter in practice.
The point is, you don't have to buy it. between the pigs which we rear in a neighbours garden, and the quarry that I hunt, I never have to buy meat from the likes of morrisons/tesco/etc. This is my preferred way to live... well, it's halfway along the road anyway...No argument with that at all. Just pointing out that people in this country dont need to hunt for food. It's cheaper and easier to get it from a supermarket. If you choose to hunt, rear you own etc, great. But as you say, it's a lifestyle choice not a necessity.
It's not irresponsible. breaking a rabbits leg in half and leaving it to die a slow painful death would be irresponsible. You mean like if you hit it in the ass with a catapult and it got down it's hole before you got to it?
And the 'get stuffed' response was merely to counter the 'its irresponsible to shoot at an animal unless you can target it's heart/brain with pin point accuracy 100% of the time' response. I certainly don't know anyone who can do the latter in practice.
You dont need pinpoint accuracy (although with PCP's it's certainly possible to stack pellets at 30 yards), but dont you think a hunter should be reasonably proficient with his weapon before shooting animals? I would think being able to hit a packet of fags off a fence post at 15 yards 9/10 should be the minimum.
I think my point is, while power is important, accuracy is too. On the other hand, I have visions of people with biceps like sparrows kneecaps, popping aneurysms trying to draw their quadruple-strapped catty's and flirting lead balls into orbit, I guess most bunny's have nothing to worry about. :D
Had I seen this post when it was first posted, I would have done it then.
However, I have removed a number of references to what might be taken as advocating illegal activity - namely poaching.
SF - your review is well written and balanced, but forum rules must be adhered to.
Ogri the trog
Having read what i assume is the same artical (it hasent been edited after this one was ) unmodded on another forum i cant see any hint suggesting/advocating poaching
just refering to the Hunter catapults capability (its marketed and sold on this forum as a Hunting tool ) one was saying he would NOT hunt small game unstill much better "polished" at using
bit odd as the mention of using ot it hunt was left in
there was one ref to a species that wouldnt be usual an i have no idea if a catty is legal for that maybe non lead shot would be the question :rolleyes:
but the ref was to what has been taken with a catty i guess as a ref to its capability ( my car can do 150mph dosnt mean i will :rolleyes:)
oks Josh didnt reel off every restriction and precaution of hunting with anything ie it must be used on land with the landownwers permission etc etc etc (do we really have to positivly cross ref all sections of the law on every post before we massively over police ourselves well below the law or assume if its not done then any body not doing it was breaking a law ) ie any body mentioning they are driving a vehiculae MUSt state its Moted insured taxed and they are licenced to drive it and are not exceddign the speed limit in fact are only ever traveling at 20mph MAX :rolleyes: just to make sure they dont and tho i can carry a 76mm non locking knife i feel that 30mm is the max etc etc
oh cars quite nice drives lovely steerings a bit stiff
read Modded or not its clear Josh knows tho its a powerfull tool its also very difficult to get good enough to hunt with is how it reads
any way
Mods are free to Mod as they see fit
ATB
Duncan
Ogri the trog
08-03-2010, 15:13
Duncan - I'll answer your points on open forum as I believe it would clarify some items.
I didn't see Siberian Fury's post until a day or so after it was made and there were already a number of replies - thankfully none that mentioned "Going Hunting" or the species again. I do realise that in certain circumstances the taking of one type of prey with a catapult (permissions and accuracy aside) would not be necessarily illegal - however when the post mentioned that practice on accuracy would enable him to "go hunting" not every reader of this forum would equate that phrase with "so long as everything else is in order - it merely precis as "practice till you think you're good enough and then go and shoot whatever you want".
It does not take a great leap of imagination to see that, for some people it could be taken as "the guys on BCUK said its alright to hunt with a catapult" and our name gets dragged through the mud and we're all labelled as "survivalist nutcases"! Our forum rules forbid any discussion of illegal activity and I like to think that we moderate to that level - no one can stop a person using a catapult for plinking practice and that is lawful in anyones eyes - the sticky point comes with a progression on from that view to actually using it to take prey.
There have in the past been solicitors letters requesting information from the forum owners and administration after dubious practices have been discussed and we must remember that our written word can be read by anyone including police, wildlife crime officers and anti-hunting activists. I for one, would like to show an over zealous moderating style and not be constantly under scrutiny from them, looking for ways and means to do us down.
I hope this goes some way to explaining my viewpoint.
Yours
Ogri the trog
oks Josh didnt reel off every restriction and precaution of hunting with anything ie it must be used on land with the landownwers permission etc etc etc (do we really have to positivly cross ref all sections of the law on every post before we massively over police ourselves well below the law
I think in this case, quoting the chapter and verse of the law is a good idea. It begs the question, that if you have the landowners permission to hunt over his land, then why choose an expensive to shoot, wildly inaccurate and potentially cruel catapult over a cheap to shoot, no-licence-required, very accurate air rifle?
Most (all?) of the obvious benefits of hunting with a catapult that I can think of, really only work when the context is illegal poaching.
If that doesnt ring a bell with the moderators, it should.
Of course there are legitimate and legal circumstances, but given the poachers pedigree of the tool, I think it's wise to stress the legality, rather than skim over it.
Siberianfury
08-03-2010, 16:20
as far as im concerned the catty is more than capable of taking game as long as the shooter is proficent enough to kill, the species i mentioned in the reveiw where as an example, im not saying im going after them in order to hunt them.
with hunting im most likley just going to stick to what i know, my BSA.
the catty is capable of taking game, and many people have proved that, im not going to go into the legalitys and morals of hunting, its just a reveiw of a product nothing more.
personaly i enjoy hunting for food, others dont, its ok their choice im not forcing them to hunt, im just providing a reveiw of a product for those interested.
Of course there are legitimate and legal circumstances, but given the poachers pedigree of the tool, I think it's wise to stress the legality, rather than skim over it.
Maybe in popular media (bit like the popular view of knifes is they kill people :rolleyes: ) but not where i come from in the countryside both my grandfathers (one was a game keeper not a poacher) where pretty good with them and they where one of many tools used for various uses
used by groups rodding drays (legal advisary this is a practice of old and maybe illegal now mention of it is not intedned to condon or encourage this practice) for taking squirrels as pest control (ie moving fast targets) obviously back then airgun where not really a hunting tool being low power and inaccurate.
I agree a modern airguns is a far superior tool for the job now
If hunting with a catty is illegal we need to finds the actual act and page no for it as most know it is important to sort these things out. I spent years being told Spearfishing on SCUBA gear was illegal in Uk btu no body could tell me where it said it and know what its not illegal :rolleyes: just a myth every body believes.
ATB
Duncan
farmershort
08-03-2010, 16:35
If hunting with a catty is illegal we need to finds the actual act and page no for it as most know it is important to sort these things out. I spent years being told Spearfishing on SCUBA gear was illegal in Uk btu no body could tell me where it said it and know what its not illegal :rolleyes: just a myth every body believes.
ATB
Duncan
I had the same experience chap... I now know better... still doesn't mean you'll find a buddy that likes it! are you on YD?
bsac DL myself... and proud speargunner :)
Duncan - I'll answer your points on open forum as I believe it would clarify some items.
I hope this goes some way to explaining my viewpoint.
Yours
Ogri the trog
Thank you
tho we may disagree on the point :D
I do agree and support your choice to MOD and cover the forum etc as you and Tony see fit Moderator is not something i would like to do so all power to you and the team
ATB
Duncan
Siberianfury
08-03-2010, 16:37
Would you consider 4" groups at 25 yards good enough to hunt with an air rifle?
of course not, an airgun produces alot less power than the hunter, under 12ft/lbs, a hit to a non killzone would be 80% likley to just injure the rabbit and allow it to escape. as for the hunter catty, it produces just over 18ft/lbs of power, hypothetically if i hit a rabbit anywhere center mass or the head, it would be stopped anyway, the energy from the lead shot would either kill it out right or incapacitate it, ensuring the ability to make a clean and quick kill.
so id say 4" groups at 25yards is fine for catty hunting, thats my opinion anyway, doesnt mean im going to try it (just to clarify)
as far as im concerned the catty is more than capable of taking game as long as the shooter is proficent enough to kill...
Nobody is doubting the lethality of the weapon in the right hands mate. The problem is this bit....
"as long as the shooter is proficent enough to kill". The problem with very high power catapults is that the draw weight makes them inherently inaccurate unless you are very used to the weight and/or have shoulders like Goliath. I'm no archer, but I'm sure they will tell you that you need to match the draw weight to your strength and ability on a bow for the same reasons, otherwise you'll just sacrifice accuracy for power, which is pointless if you cant hit anything.
The other issue is the cost, at around £15 quid for 100 .50 cal lead balls, that's more that .22 rimfire, let alone 22 pellets. That makes em very expensive to shoot.
I think they are great fun things, but I cant see how they are a practical (legal) hunting weapon over an air rifle.
so id say 4" groups at 25yards is fine for catty hunting, thats my opinion anyway, doesnt mean im going to try it (just to clarify)
Can you (or anyone) do a video of yourself shooting 4" groups at 25 yards using theraband gold? I'd love to see that - I'm kind of doubting it's possible for your average mortal. I'd love to be proven wrong. ;)
Siberianfury
08-03-2010, 16:54
Nobody is doubting the lethality of the weapon in the right hands mate. The problem is this bit....
"as long as the shooter is proficent enough to kill". The problem with very high power catapults is that the draw weight makes them inherently inaccurate unless you are very used to the weight and/or have shoulders like Goliath. I'm no archer, but I'm sure they will tell you that you need to match the draw weight to your strength and ability on a bow for the same reasons, otherwise you'll just sacrifice accuracy for power, which is pointless if you cant hit anything.
The other issue is the cost, at around £15 quid for 100 .50 cal lead balls, that's more that .22 rimfire, let alone 22 pellets. That makes em very expensive to shoot.
I think they are great fun things, but I cant see how they are a practical (legal) hunting weapon over an air rifle.
aye good points, i tend to use my air rifle still as it has increased accuracy, i dont think draw weight has much to do with power, i tend to lock my arm out when shooting it and it seems fine, just a case of geting used to it i suppose.
as for the shot, i bought a 440 ball mould so its fine for that.
in the mean time, im just gonna take everyones advice and use the airgun for most things.
Siberianfury
08-03-2010, 16:55
Can you (or anyone) do a video of yourself shooting 4" groups at 25 yards using theraband gold? I'd love to see that - I'm kind of doubting it's possible for your average mortal. I'd love to be proven wrong. ;)
i cant no, but having seen evidence of people who can put the catty to effective use i would expect quite afew can.
as for the shot, i bought a 440 ball mould so its fine for that.
this statment in no way advocates stealing lead of the church roof to mould your own cheap catty ammo lead used should be from a legitamate legal scource.
ATB
Duncan
i cant no, but having seen evidence of people who can put the catty to effective use i would expect quite afew can.Ya think? Some people struggle to do that with a gun. :D
I'd still like to see it. ;)
Siberianfury
08-03-2010, 17:02
this statment in no way advocates stealing lead of the church roof to mould your own cheap catty ammo lead used should be from a legitamate legal scource.
ATB
Duncan
lead collected from my airgun pellet trap :D
phill_ue
08-03-2010, 17:04
Ya think? Some people struggle to do that with a gun. :D
I'd still like to see it. ;)
What, a 4 inch group at 25 yards? If you cannot achieve that, sell your gun!
this statment in no way advocates stealing lead of the church roof to mould your own cheap catty ammo lead used should be from a legitamate legal scource.
ATB
Duncan
is there an ikle bit of sarcasm there? :D
Ya think? Some people struggle to do that with a gun. :D
I'd still like to see it. ;)
Ive only met a few (like my grandad ) but they grew up with them
me im rubbish with a catty :lmao:
used to hold sub 1/2" at 40 with me airgun tho and sub 4" rapid with a rifle at 100 :rolleyes: (obviously i was legaly allowed to shoot both on the land I was shooting at )
to old to care now
ATB
Duncan
is there an ikle bit of sarcasm there? :D
Moi ......:D;)
What, a 4 inch group at 25 yards? If you cannot achieve that, sell your gun!
As a kid, I used to have an old BSA underlever that would shoot round corners. :D
Davey569
08-03-2010, 17:12
Martyn, try this;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiRFtiKExuE
phill_ue
08-03-2010, 17:15
Nobody is doubting the lethality of the weapon in the right hands mate. The problem is this bit....
"as long as the shooter is proficent enough to kill". The problem with very high power catapults is that the draw weight makes them inherently inaccurate unless you are very used to the weight and/or have shoulders like Goliath. I'm no archer, but I'm sure they will tell you that you need to match the draw weight to your strength and ability on a bow for the same reasons, otherwise you'll just sacrifice accuracy for power, which is pointless if you cant hit anything.
The other issue is the cost, at around £15 quid for 100 .50 cal lead balls, that's more that .22 rimfire, let alone 22 pellets. That makes em very expensive to shoot.
I think they are great fun things, but I cant see how they are a practical (legal) hunting weapon over an air rifle.
You should buy a Fishy Catty, you don't have to be He Man to use one. Don't forget the Theraband is used for exercises and even though Gold is the strongest of the lot, it is still usable. I've had a go on a Fishy Catty and I'm not a big guy. They do pack a punch though, and it didn't take long to get shots into a small area. With enough practice, I think you could get very accurate indeed with one, and then it would be time to hit the fields!
Martyn, try this;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiRFtiKExuE
The beanshooter man, yeah, it gets posted a lot. Phenomenal - but not exactly typical and I dont think he's using doubled theraband gold. ;)
phill_ue
08-03-2010, 17:16
As a kid, I used to have an old BSA underlever that would shoot round corners. :D
So buy a new gun! :BlueTeamE
:lmao::lmao::lmao:
Davey569
08-03-2010, 17:18
The beanshooter man, yeah, it gets posted a lot. Phenomenal - but not exactly typical and I dont think he's using doubled theraband gold. ;)
You wanted to see less than 4'' groupings so don't cry. ;)
So buy a new gun! :BlueTeamE
:lmao::lmao::lmao:
Thanks for the advice Phil, it never occurred to me. :rolleyes:
You wanted to see less than 4'' groupings so don't cry. ;)
No mate, 4" groups from somebody shooting theraband gold.
Top of the page....
Can you (or anyone) do a video of yourself shooting 4" groups at 25 yards using theraband gold?
;)
this thread seems to have degenerated into a one man crusade to having catapults banned to me you can bang on all you like the fact remains it is legal, with the landowners permission. if you don't like it tough thats the way it is.
incidentally pcp air rifles tend to be the expensive side of £200 whereas a catapult will cost you £20. granted the ammunition is more expensive but you can re-use lead balls you can't re-use pellets.
jonnie drake
08-03-2010, 17:50
doubled theraband gold is actually very easy to hold steady, much easier than tubes and square elastic in my opinion, and with an ergo style catty you can hold them even steadier.
It is a shame that every catapult thread has to go down this route.
phill_ue
08-03-2010, 17:54
granted the ammunition is more expensive but you can re-use lead balls you can't re-use pellets.
Yes you can.
You can melt them down to make shot for your catty! :lmao::lmao:
Yes you can.
You can melt them down to make shot for your catty! :lmao::lmao:
lol fair play
this thread seems to have degenerated into a one man crusade to having catapults banned to me...That's a stupid thing to say.
you can bang on all you like the fact remains it is legal, with the landowners permission. if you don't like it tough thats the way it is. Well, not wanting to bang on any more, but idiots who maim and wound animals instead of cleanly killing em, give responsible hunters a bad rep. So if you dont like having a little bit of responsibility shoved at ya, then in your words - tough. ;)
phill_ue
08-03-2010, 18:13
That's a stupid thing to say.
Well, not wanting to bang on any more, but idiots who maim and wound animals instead of cleanly killing em, give responsible hunters a bad rep. So if you dont like having a little bit of responsibility shoved at ya, then in your words - tough. ;)
Surely you are assuming that people will buy it and go straight out in the field and try having a pop at wildlife. I wouldn't do that with an air rifle so would I do it with a catty? No, because I am responsible. I assume most other people would be too. Has anybody said they will learn to shoot their catty on live targets?
Siberianfury
08-03-2010, 18:14
jesus, this was only a reveiw and its suddenly just spiraled into a load of snidey comments and digs, people do hunt with these, sucessfully aswell, and if your up to getting your shots right id say its a far more humane tool than an airgun anyway, a killzone shot is not required to kill.
That's a stupid thing to say.
Well, not wanting to bang on any more, but idiots who maim and wound animals instead of cleanly killing em, give responsible hunters a bad rep. So if you dont like having a little bit of responsibility shoved at ya, then in your words - tough. ;)
agreed they do give hunters a bad name but show me the people on this forum who go round maiming animals? you might think that all hunting with catapults is cruel but its legal so why should you assault everyone else with your views if they don't think its cruel?
incidentally, regarding the 'thats a stupid thing to say' most of your posts on this thread are full of 'stupid things to say, notably your catapult aiming police and the interesting reply to one of duncan's posts where you implied that the only reason you'd want to use a catty would be if you were poaching.
jesus, this was only a reveiw and its suddenly just spiraled into a load of snidey comments and digs, people do hunt with these, sucessfully aswell, and if your up to getting your shots right id say its a far more humane tool than an airgun anyway, a killzone shot is not required to kill.
This is exactly why I (and a good few others) don't do any reviews of anything!
Thanks for the review I found it usefull and yes i already have one. No I have not used it for hunting yet. Yes i have hunted both with air rifle, 12 bore/410 and 22lr.
To me there are separate issues here. This started out as a review of the catty.
Not about the pros and cons of hunting with either a catty or an air rifle.
That is a seperate discussion..
Alan
I think everyone is coming to this thread with previous experience, and not all of it good.
It is well known on the internet that the theraband gold catapult is the preferred 'hidden in the pocket' hunting implement of the owner of a site renowned for telling the tales of his poaching.
No names no packdrill, but we all know who I mean.
In that context everything that the Mods, and those who have queried those who promote it's use, have said is understandable.
Do not stir this thread any further.
Josh thank you for the review.
I didn't check, did you place disclaimers ?
The legalities are that the catapult is legal, and in skillfull hands an excellent way of obtaining dinner.
The realities are that to many they are an ambition beyond their abilities.
Before you post anything else on this thread, please stop and consider.
It would be much appreciated :D
cheers,
Toddy
Surely you are assuming that people will buy it and go straight out in the field and try having a pop at wildlife. I wouldn't do that with an air rifle so would I do it with a catty? No, because I am responsible. I assume most other people would be too. Has anybody said they will learn to shoot their catty on live targets?
I'm not assuming anything, I'm saying in simple terms, that a powerful catapult, particularly of the type that use flatbands are difficult things for anyone to master to hunting level accuracy. Far harder than an air rifle. It seems to me that some folks here think it's OK to just buy one, have a few shots in the back garden and then go blasting at animals. Every single thread on the subject, talks about hunting with them from the start. I'm trying to add a little bit of balance. Shooting a catapult that is beyond your ability at a live animal is a stupid and irresponsible thing to do, and not everyone on this site thinks it's OK, regardless of the law. I'm sorry if that point of view annoys a few people, but a lot of hunters take a lot of time honing their skills to make sure their kills are clean. That's as it should be. When people disregard that, they bring all hunting down with them.
Before you post anything else on this thread, please stop and consider.
It would be much appreciated :D
cheers,
Toddy
Sorry Toddy, x-posted.
gowersponger
08-03-2010, 19:06
good post nice one.when i practice i hang a dust sheet up at the back of the garden and hang cans and bottles infront of it that way you get all your ammo back,i use marbles for practice to ,cheap and cheerfull
good post nice one.when i practice i hang a dust sheet up at the back of the garden and hang cans and bottles infront of it that way you get all your ammo back,i use marbles for practice to ,cheap and cheerfull
Now that's practical :D I use aniseed balls :rolleyes:
cheers,
Toddy
dean4442
08-03-2010, 19:29
Now that's practical :D I use aniseed balls :rolleyes:
cheers,
Toddy
I'd end up eating all my ammo, I've always loved aniseed balls!
Colin
good post nice one.when i practice i hang a dust sheet up at the back of the garden and hang cans and bottles infront of it that way you get all your ammo back,i use marbles for practice to ,cheap and cheerfull
We do something similar, got a old sheet and using a couple of small boys pens, drew a few different sized targets. Although for the most part it was like we were trying to shot anything but the targets and sometimes even anything but the sheet.. :lmao:
Methinks I need a lot more practice.. :rolleyes::D
OK, lets try and calm things down a bit. Firstly, let me be clear, I am not against hunting with catapults per-se. But I would never use a weapon to hunt, that I cannot master to an acceptable level of accuracy.
A lot of the threads on catapults, particularly the flatband catapults, talk about the power. I've seen the videos of the big German guy blasting coconuts and legs of lamb with them and am in no doubt they are very powerful indeed.
But there is very little information about accuracy. What kind of ranges are we - realistically - talking about for 4" groups? Everyone is different, I know that, but with a certain amount of practice, most people should be able to achieve a certain standard. There is so little information about accuracy, that it kind of makes me wonder if 4" groups are realistically possible at any range. Now dont rag on me for wanting 4" groups, that's my personal standard for acceptability, if you are happy with one in ten being roughly on the money, well that's between you and your maker. I'm not. If I cant (realistically) achieve 4" groups, then I'd rather drop down in power, use lighter weight bands or tubes and drop the range till I can get what I want.
So realistically, what kind of ranges and groupings are you getting from your flatbands?
Siberianfury
08-03-2010, 19:49
Martyn, as far as accuracy goes with a catty its down the the shooter, think of it as throwing rather than shooting, more instict than aiming. any level of accuracy within the arc of the shot is pheasable, it just depends whos behind it.
as for the weith of the bands, im no more accurate with my lighter band equipped black widow than i am with my hunter, as long as you can draw it its not a problem.
Gentlemen I asked once no more stirring.
Either keep the thread without sniping or desist.
Toddy
HillBill mentioned something a while back at getting quite good groupings, he hasn't updated what he got after a lot of practice however, but it does show what can be done in this thread (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=572449&postcount=23) Hopefully he or someone else with an iota of skill will be able to post their results of practice..
Cheers,
Siberianfury
08-03-2010, 20:11
HillBill mentioned something a while back at getting quite good groupings, he hasn't updated what he got after a lot of practice however, but it does show what can be done in this thread (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=572449&postcount=23) Hopefully he or someone else with an iota of skill will be able to post their results of practice..
Cheers,
thats pretty good going for 50 shots, ive had mine about 4 days now and i can only hit the can about every 3/5 times from 15yards.
phill_ue
08-03-2010, 20:14
thats pretty good going for 50 shots, ive had mine about 4 days now and i can only hit the can about every 3/5 times from 15yards.
15 yards is a respectable distance, I have got closer to rabbits in the past and that was with two friends in tow and with our camping gear on our backs. If I had had a catty in my pocket, I could have choked the rabbit with the bands I was that close! It would have been a certain shot even for me with a basic use in catties. It would have been well within my capabilities. I don't think the longer range is necessary.
HillBill
08-03-2010, 21:09
Well, most people say that you should be able to hit 2" groups at 30 yards, 10 out of 10 with an air rifle.
One inch groups mate, 2" would be bad form :)
Monty Python ' Never a willow '. From the Highwayman sketch.
Crowe
HillBill
08-03-2010, 21:47
HillBill mentioned something a while back at getting quite good groupings, he hasn't updated what he got after a lot of practice however, but it does show what can be done in this thread (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=572449&postcount=23) Hopefully he or someone else with an iota of skill will be able to post their results of practice..
Cheers,
My catty shooting dropped off a bit after that through one thing or another. Groupings were alright out to 15 yards, Getting around the 4" mark in 3 shot groups. When you go out further though it gets more difficult as your using your eyes as opposed to a scope. With an air rifle, with open sights i can get a good group at 25 yards, but i can one hole at 40 with a scope ( well i could when i shot regularly) Cattys get much more difficult to shoot at the same 25 yard range as an open sight rifle, there are many variables which dont effect a rifle as much, and consistent let offs are far more difficult to achieve.as you would have to hold both the catty and the band in exactly the same place with the same stretch every time for any good degree of accuracy, this can only ever come through range time and lots of it. Even then i doubt you would get it right all the time. I would say 4" group at 25 yards would be the best you would get for a long time. Its hard, make no mistake. If you can hit a can every single time then by all means use it for hunting, but do not exceed the range you can hit the can, so if the cans 10 yards away and you see a rabbit 15 yards, dont bother unless you can it the can 10/10 at 15 yards. This is no different advce that i would give for a rifle or any other tool used to hunt.
If you know you can hit it...great
If you think you can hit it.....wait.
That video posted of the old guy is nothing special. His shots are what 5 yards away? even the thrown ones are so close that i reckon most folks could achieve that fairly quickly. I could do what he does on there. I doubt he would be so good at a range he would have to squnt to see the can. His catty was weak too :) Fish's cattys would have left the can standing with a hole in at that range. :D
phill_ue
08-03-2010, 22:18
His catty was weak too :) Fish's cattys would have left the can standing with a hole in at that range. :D
I fully agree with you and yet it was able to get him a few rabbits for the pot, so if that weak little catty can do that with some poxy stones then the stronger Hunter with lead shot would definitely drop your quarry, so long as you can hit it!
HillBill
08-03-2010, 22:23
I fully agree with you and yet it was able to get him a few rabbits for the pot, so if that weak little catty can do that with some poxy stones then the stronger Hunter with lead shot would definitely drop your quarry, so long as you can hit it!
I have no doubt at all that it could drop rabbits at any air rifle range pretty darn easily, if you hit it :)
phill_ue
08-03-2010, 22:29
There's only one way to find out for sure, but the physics alone tells me it would be a formidable weapon: well over the legal limit of an air rifle firing a mass well above that of a small pellet. A rabbit hit by that just about anywhere on the front quarters or head would be out cold, even if you hit the back legs it wouldn't get far as they would be smashed apart. Maybe not ethical and I would certainly expect everybody here would ensure they were proficient before using it on live quarry, but the beauty of it is that if you misplace your shot, the rabbit will be down and you will make the distance to ensure the animal is correctly despatched. I personally wouldn't go for anything over 10-15 yards to ensure that my shot is well placed.
HillBill
08-03-2010, 22:35
There's only one way to find out for sure, but the physics alone tells me it would be a formidable weapon: well over the legal limit of an air rifle firing a mass well above that of a small pellet. A rabbit hit by that just about anywhere on the front quarters or head would be out cold, even if you hit the back legs it wouldn't get far as they would be smashed apart. Maybe not ethical and I would certainly expect everybody here would ensure they were proficient before using it on live quarry, but the beauty of it is that if you misplace your shot, the rabbit will be down and you will make the distance to ensure the animal is correctly despatched. I personally wouldn't go for anything over 10-15 yards to ensure that my shot is well placed.
Best way. They also carry that high power pretty far due to the weight of the shot, Whats 18 ft/lbs at let off would still be about 12ft/lbs at 50 yards, more probably, i dont know the ballistic coefficiency of the shot so its only a guess though.
phill_ue
08-03-2010, 22:51
Best way. They also carry that high power pretty far due to the weight of the shot, Whats 18 ft/lbs at let off would still be about 12ft/lbs at 50 yards, more probably, i dont know the ballistic coefficiency of the shot so its only a guess though.
Nor do I, but I'll bet if it hit you on the noggin, it'd sting and leave a mark!
:lmao::lmao::lmao:
HillBill
08-03-2010, 22:56
:lmao: Too right mate
British Red
08-03-2010, 23:13
I have no particular interest in debating the merits (or otherwise) of hunting with catapaults.
The one thing I will say though is that the idea that 18ft lbs of energy is sufficient to ensure a kill in a non-lethal zone and without a well aimed shot is very, very odd to me.
Whilst this may appear to be "half as much again as basic air rifle", I will invite a different comparison.
Lets try "one fifth as much as a .22 rimfire cartridge....with an absolutley rubbish comparable ballistic coefficient". A .22LR rimfire round imparts about 100 ftlbs of energy. Granted it has different terminal ballistics than a .44 ball, however the idea that "a hit = a kill" on a .22LR is clearly nonsense. I cannot see how a round carrying less than 20% of the power, with lower range and less accuracy would impart such certainty.
As I said, I have no particular interest in the merits or otherwise of catapault hunting, however, I can. with some assurance, state that a hit in a non lethal zone, using a .44 ball carry 18ft lb of energy (and bearing in mind this energy decays FAST over range) would not necessarily equal despatched prey.
Red
phill_ue
08-03-2010, 23:25
I have no particular interest in debating the merits (or otherwise) of hunting with catapaults.
The one thing I will say though is that the idea that 18ft lbs of energy is sufficient to ensure a kill in a non-lethal zone and without a well aimed shot is very, very odd to me.
Whilst this may appear to be "half as much again as basic air rifle", I will invite a different comparison.
Lets try "one fifth as much as a .22 rimfire cartridge....with an absolutley rubbish comparable ballistic coefficient". A .22LR rimfire round imparts about 100 ftlbs of energy. Granted it has different terminal ballistics than a .44 ball, however the idea that "a hit = a kill" on a .22LR is clearly nonsense. I cannot see how a round carrying less than 20% of the power, with lower range and less accuracy would impart such certainty.
As I said, I have no particular interest in the merits or otherwise of catapault hunting, however, I can. with some assurance, state that a hit in a non lethal zone, using a .44 ball carry 18ft lb of energy (and bearing in mind this energy decays FAST over range) would not necessarily equal despatched prey.
Red
Hence the need fr out and out accuracy, as best as possible and if you are ethical about your quarries' killing then you need to be on top of your game to use this method. At ten yards though, I would bet that a heavy lead ball that is shifting with more force and power than a dinky little pellet will do the job just fine. I've said pretty much all I want to say on the matter now, I think it is up to the individuals personal beliefs what they do, if they are happy to leave animals winged and maimed and have a clear conscience, then good for them. I prefer to be slightly more clinical in my methods of killing.
Celt_Ginger
08-03-2010, 23:38
I understand what you are saying Red, yet when the Army moved from a 7.62 round to the 5.56, it was shown that the % of lethal wounds, even in the desired "Kill zone" decreased. The 7.62 round dropped targets much more consistently,outside of the desired "kill zone" even though it has less velocity than the smaller 5.56. Most UK army snipers use a 7.62 single shot rifle, with the 50cal Accuracy International rifle being the daddy of them all. Unfortunately, it doesn't shoot round corners.
Sorry I can't be bothered going to Wikipedia or even Bisley for all the figures.
Siberianfury
08-03-2010, 23:44
I have no particular interest in debating the merits (or otherwise) of hunting with catapaults.
The one thing I will say though is that the idea that 18ft lbs of energy is sufficient to ensure a kill in a non-lethal zone and without a well aimed shot is very, very odd to me.
Whilst this may appear to be "half as much again as basic air rifle", I will invite a different comparison.
Lets try "one fifth as much as a .22 rimfire cartridge....with an absolutley rubbish comparable ballistic coefficient". A .22LR rimfire round imparts about 100 ftlbs of energy. Granted it has different terminal ballistics than a .44 ball, however the idea that "a hit = a kill" on a .22LR is clearly nonsense. I cannot see how a round carrying less than 20% of the power, with lower range and less accuracy would impart such certainty.
As I said, I have no particular interest in the merits or otherwise of catapault hunting, however, I can. with some assurance, state that a hit in a non lethal zone, using a .44 ball carry 18ft lb of energy (and bearing in mind this energy decays FAST over range) would not necessarily equal despatched prey.
Red
all good in theory Hugh, but people can and do take game with these, solid evidence to me is much more valuable than ballistics, if ive seen it done then ill beleive it.
HillBill
09-03-2010, 01:07
Most UK army snipers use a 7.62 single shot rifle, with the 50cal Accuracy International rifle being the daddy of them all. Unfortunately, it doesn't shoot round corners.
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It doesn't have to, those beggars shoot through corners :D
HillBill
09-03-2010, 01:13
I have no particular interest in debating the merits (or otherwise) of hunting with catapaults.
The one thing I will say though is that the idea that 18ft lbs of energy is sufficient to ensure a kill in a non-lethal zone and without a well aimed shot is very, very odd to me.
Whilst this may appear to be "half as much again as basic air rifle", I will invite a different comparison.
Lets try "one fifth as much as a .22 rimfire cartridge....with an absolutley rubbish comparable ballistic coefficient". A .22LR rimfire round imparts about 100 ftlbs of energy. Granted it has different terminal ballistics than a .44 ball, however the idea that "a hit = a kill" on a .22LR is clearly nonsense. I cannot see how a round carrying less than 20% of the power, with lower range and less accuracy would impart such certainty.
As I said, I have no particular interest in the merits or otherwise of catapault hunting, however, I can. with some assurance, state that a hit in a non lethal zone, using a .44 ball carry 18ft lb of energy (and bearing in mind this energy decays FAST over range) would not necessarily equal despatched prey.
Red
Its all about impact energy red and shock trauma. Bullets are designed to pierce and the bullet itself is what causes nearly all the damage.
A round .44 cal lead ball has a larger surface area and isnt designed for peneration. It hits with a whack and it will knock em flat. I suppose its like the equivelent of a bloke getting hit by a 9 pounder cannon ball at 40 mph, A bullet might go clean through you and cause damage, but that cannon balls taking you with it and you are not getting up.
British Red
09-03-2010, 07:12
CG,
Difference was of course that the 7.62 carried far more energy than the mouse gun - the charge was far, far higher propelling the head so in every sense I agree, the 7.62 was in every sense a more powerful round. The difference here is the lead ball is carrying far less energy than a humble rimfire.
I have no doubt at all that a .44 ball can carry enough energy to do the job on small game, nor that the terminal ballistics of a larger calibre will impart more energy to the target than a narrower one that over penetrates. For all of that though, it stll needs to hit in the right place to do a clean job.
That said, I have no intention in using a catapault for hunting, merely my observations about the logic.
Red
jonnie drake
09-03-2010, 08:00
do people use rimfire on small game/pests? I thought they were just for the bigger stuff like fox/deer etc....
British Red
09-03-2010, 08:29
Nah, rimfire is a tiny little round - best for bunny / hare sized. You want a centre fire for deer and bigger stuff
Red
jonnie drake
09-03-2010, 08:32
thanks! :)
Celt_Ginger
09-03-2010, 09:49
I agree Red, but the 5.56 is a higher velocity round than the 7.62. It's the mass and impact energy of the larger round that makes it a more effective killing round.
phill_ue
09-03-2010, 17:47
5.56 may not kill a person out right, so then you take numerous people off the battlefield as they care for their fallen comrade. Also, morale suffers as their mate screams for his mum in the corner with his guts spilling all over the floor, and you can carry more ammunition in 5.56 than 7.62 by weight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko1x5v_a85A
catty vs leg of lamb some of you have probably seen it but have a watch then decide whether a rabbit could walk away from being hit
HillBill
09-03-2010, 18:03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT7Yxgtzteo
This is vid of them vs balistic gel.
HillBill
09-03-2010, 18:04
5.56 may not kill a person out right, so then you take numerous people off the battlefield as they care for their fallen comrade. Also, morale suffers as their mate screams for his mum in the corner with his guts spilling all over the floor, and you can carry more ammunition in 5.56 than 7.62 by weight.
Aye, nasty little beggars they are, not as bad as the 7.62 tumblers the russians had though.
phill_ue
09-03-2010, 18:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko1x5v_a85A
catty vs leg of lamb some of you have probably seen it but have a watch then decide whether a rabbit could walk away from being hit
I love that german guy - "Here is the leg of lamb that my lovely wife cooked; it was very tasty!"
:lmao::lmao::lmao:
scary looking bloke lol i couldn't believe that ball going through 4 inches of flesh and then pulverising the bone it was awesome
JonathanD
09-03-2010, 19:45
Catty 20mm. I'll be back! :D
Klenchblaize
10-03-2010, 13:19
Oooooooh catapults!
In my day it were Milbro or a tree fork and nought else. Use to practice with bent coat hanger, doubled elastic bands and bent paper clips. Boy how those school girls screamed!
Took my fist squirrel from sanatorium window aged 9 whilst suffering chickenpox.
We were so poor that if we couldn't hit mark with pebbles we starved!
Cheers
Were I a landowner in the UK, I'd insist on a demonstration of proficiency and specify the equipment to be used.
phill_ue
10-03-2010, 16:34
Were I a landowner in the UK, I'd insist on a demonstration of proficiency and specify the equipment to be used.
That would be your choice, I doubt there are many that would get involved to be honest and I doubt they are under any obligation to do so.
That would be your choice, I doubt there are many that would get involved to be honest and I doubt they are under any obligation to do so.
I'm sure you're right. FWIW, I'll be bringing a hunting catty to the Philippines where it'll be shot by a true pro who has been taking game for the pot since he could draw one.
I wouldn't do it, because while I do shoot 4" groups with one slingshot I made, I doubt I'd be allowed to take it on a plane. Besides, it wouldn't fit in my suitcase.
Aristotle
16-03-2010, 18:43
In conclusion the Fish hunter is a brilliant bit of kit, hours of can smashing fun.....Highly Reccomended
I've just had a quick try-out of a set of Therabands. My previous reference point was square donkey elastic.
The difference is phenomenal, for less of a draw-weight.
My target was paper bullseye mounted on cardboard hanging in a box with some medium density foam (from a camping mat) in front of the back of the box.
The bb went straight through the target out of the back and left a mark on the concrete post behind it.
I added a couple of layers of cotton sheet to the backstop which seemed to slow the balls enough to stop them shooting out of the back, although they still embedded themselves into the foam...
My first half-hearted shots did hit the target, but I wasn't in a 4" group. Practice required.
My elastics arrived today and I managed to whack a few shots off across the pond whilst walking the dog tonight. I was aiming at the image of a 'don't bla bla' signpost reflected in the still waters. I reckon the patch of water where the image was must have been 35 yds and about 18" across.
It was sufficiently dark that I had to focus on the target, not the catapult - i.e. couldn't aim. first shot a little short & wide, following four shots all on target.
I think this catapult and I are going to be pretty close pals!
fishfish
07-05-2010, 20:41
just managed to sighn in here.wow what a thread! btw the leg of lamb was shot with half the amount of theraband of the hunter. i have now rid myself of the cumbersome BSA super10 air rifle ,i get as much with the hunter, as do so many folk, i have now sold over 1400 hunters and not one has appeared on ebay secondhand,folk just wont part with them.
"It is well known on the internet that the theraband gold catapult is the preferred 'hidden in the pocket' hunting implement of the owner of a site renowned for telling the tales of his poaching.
No names no packdrill, but we all know who I mean."
not that martin is it??!!lol
Im suprised that they have not outlawed catapults yet. No bowhunting, but catapults allowed... bowhunting is easier. With out starting a new rant, it's an unfair way of doing things.:BlueTeamE
From the photos its clear you have never used a or indeed seen anyone use a catapult before and speaking as someone who never left the house without one round my neck under my sweater as a kid I know what Iam talking about when it come to catties, turn your wrist palm down.You'll find things easier and better/more accurate that way. Honestly no offece intended either.
JonathanD
07-05-2010, 23:40
From the photos its clear you have never used a or indeed seen anyone use a catapult before and speaking as someone who never left the house without one round my neck under my sweater as a kid I know what Iam talking about when it come to catties, turn your wrist palm down.You'll find things easier and better/more accurate that way. Honestly no offece intended either.
Hey Clem. That never worked for me and I always shoot catties with a bow like grip. If you ever hung around Wollaston, you'd have known me in the Eighties, I was scary good :D
Everything Mac
08-05-2010, 00:12
certainly an interesting thread.
I bought some new bands for one of my catapults the other day with the intention of a bit of plinking with it - haven't had the time yet though. I had planned on hunting with them at some point in the future but not until I am rather good with it.
18ft/lbs is certainly a very high power output. quite impressive infact. - totally useless if you can't hit the bugger though. As is - I am far more accurate with the X2 so that will be my weapon of choice for now. - haven't had a play with her in ages - I will need to get some new pins.
just out of interest Siberian Fury - why is you joined on date 1970?
Andy
Hey Clem. That never worked for me and I always shoot catties with a bow like grip. If you ever hung around Wollaston, you'd have known me in the Eighties, I was scary good :DEllo mate, nope never made it up around Wollaston. Kingswinford, Amblecoat, Wordsley, Wallheath. Like yourself I was mustard with a cattie as a nipper, but as I said I never left the house without one and if your doing something all the time everyday you do sort of get good at it I guess.:)
fishfish
08-05-2010, 14:34
took this bird on a mooch today,theres over 100 of them nesting in the tops of the mature beach trees, i had been asked by the land owner to thin the corvids out for the reasons of crop protection and public health ,this one was a brancher,60 feet up and 15 yards away,the ,44 cal shot hit it in the chest,penetrating the cavity causing massive trauma,it was dead before it hit the ground.
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m92/fishfish_01/HUNTING/DSC05012.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m92/fishfish_01/HUNTING/DSC05010.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m92/fishfish_01/HUNTING/DSC05015.jpg
fishfish
08-05-2010, 18:29
i think so!
Everything Mac
11-05-2010, 21:11
not to be an **** but shouldn't this be in fair game??
- never had rook pie - is it good? what do they taste like?
Andy
not to be an **** but shouldn't this be in fair game??
- never had rook pie - is it good? what do they taste like?
Andy
its pretty good you don't eat the old ones just the branchers because they haven't had a chance to eat loads of crap like the old ones and they aren't as stringy. people used to climb into the rookeries and tie the chicks into the nests that way mum and dad will fatten them up for you and you could just go and neck them later. tastes a bit like pigeon to me