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Mesquite
11-02-2010, 21:34
Well after much eager anticipation and much discussion my Mastino Bush Shirt arrived today. I’ve only worn it out the once but I thought I’d share some pics and my initial impressions with folks so bear in mind this is a review that's in still progress. I have also already spoken to Kev about the issues that I found with the Mastino as well as the improvements that will go to improving it.

When I picked it up from the sorting office my initial thoughts were ‘this is one heavy garment’ so I asked Mark (T1tch) to weigh his swannie that the Mastino is based on. Mark said his swannie weighs in at 3lb 13 ¼ ounces or 1.735kg. The Mastino weighs in at 5lb 9ounces or 2.522kg so it’s the heavier by 1lb 13ounces or .787kg. Now I know the swannie doesn’t have a kangaroo/stacker pocket or poachers pocket but a difference of over 1.5lbs is quite a lot. The thickness of the Dutch army blankets is amazing and you can feel it when wearing the Mastino.

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk151/mesquite_uk/1-1.jpghttp://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk151/mesquite_uk/2.jpg
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So far I’ve only worn the shirt out once when I took my dogs out for a walk this evening. There was with a sharp wind blowing so I reckon with wind-chill it was about 0 or -1deg. I went out with just a cotton t-shirt on under the Mastino. I could feel the wind through the material and was cool because of it but I was never cold and when the wind dropped I soon warmed up. If it’s really cold and windy you might want to consider wearing a wind proof layer such as a Swedish army snow smock over the top to stop the wind cutting through the Mastino.

The build quality of the shirt is superb. This is one garment that isn’t going to be falling apart or wearing out any time soon. Peachy Peggy has done a grand job with it. Kev told me that due to the thickness of the material at times Peggy had to resort to a pair or needle nose pliers to pull it through the machine as it was sewing!!! :eek: There’s an extra panel inserted under each arm that are there for the larger sized bushcrafter. The stacker pocket is a brilliant bit of kit on the shirt and if you go for a kanga pocket then spend the little extra bit and get the stacker option as well, you won’t regret it. The throat panel is another nice touch. When it’s cold and you want a bit of extra protection it pulls up to cover your lower face when you use the hood. When the hood is down it folds nicely out the way under your throat. Another nice feature is the double cuff tabs and retaining buttons when the tabs aren’t in use when I was only expecting one tab on each arm.

As you can see in the pic there aren’t any buttons or anything for fastening the throat vent. That’s because I asked it to be left so I can do the final finishing there myself with a couple little personal features.

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk151/mesquite_uk/5.jpg

Right… the very few probs I found with the shirt. Please note that my shirt is the first ‘production’ model so some fine tuning is still taking place and Kev has taken on board what I’ve suggested. On my shirt Kev forgot to insert the hood cord so that’s still to be done but I’m ok doing that. The flap for the breast pocket is a little bit small and needs enlarging to it covers the pocket better when items are in the pocket. Also the Velcro on the flap was fitted too high to really grip when the pocket is used. This is an easy fix if the Velcro is turned 90deg and runs down to the bottom edge of the flap.

Breast pocket
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk151/mesquite_uk/4.jpg

The other issue is that the length of the shirt came up longer than expected which means that the Kanga and stacker pockets have ended up a bit lower than planned. As you can see I can put my hands in the pockets but it’s almost at full extension and if I needed to find anything in the kanga pocket I’d be stretching to reach the middle. Again, a very easy fix on future versions by raising the pockets up about 3inches. The last issue I mentioned to Kev was that a wider strip of velcro needs to be used on the stacker pocket flap. Peggy had used some that was about 15mm wide and it felt a bit too lightweight for the job. I think for better securing purposes something like 25mm would be better.

All in all I’m really happy with the shirt and glad I got my name down for one. Kev hasn’t given me a total price yet but it’s going to be a bargain price for the quality of this shirt. I hope that this little review and the pics help folks get a taster of what they’ll be getting. If anyone wants extra pics of any feature give me a shout and I'll sort them out.

TeeDee
11-02-2010, 21:55
Nice one Steve , fair points on what you've said and I'm sure Kev will take on board and sort out.

Your dogs don't look very excited about it... Maybe they are just tired out from the walk.

I will be picking mine up from Kev in the next day or two as I haven't found the time to get 'in' yet.

Twodogs
11-02-2010, 22:25
Use the force Steve ,,,,
looks good mate
Twodogs

Mesquite
11-02-2010, 22:41
Use the force Steve ,,,,
looks good mate
Twodogs

It's a cracking bit of kit Cliff. But yes... it does look a bit obi-wan'ish :D

maddave
11-02-2010, 23:09
I can see there will be no complaints about the cold this year... Great bit of kit that !!

Pepperana
11-02-2010, 23:30
Man, great review. Great product, Great feedback.
Do I have to say more? :)

littlebiglane
12-02-2010, 07:13
Acutally, I winced a bit first looking at the photos (nerves) but on second look I think it looks quite good. I think the 'expander' panel on the side throws out the lines of the garment a bit and has flared out the bottom a little. But Steve....you're a big lad ;)

I am looking at it...its not longer a shirt really....but a full-on coat!

That kangaroo pocket is mahoosive! And set a little too low as you have pointed out. On Kev's initial one it was a little high. I am sure that Kev will tweak and twiddle your shirt for you when you are next passing through to correct some of the points you have made. After all you were a bit of a guinea pig.

Length looks okay.

All in all I don't think it looks bad at all. In fact the more I look at it..the more I like it. Considering that people wearing the Swannies look a bit Obi-Wan too!

I'm still getting one that's for sure.

MartinK9
12-02-2010, 13:41
Nice Review Steve.

I look forward to seeing it in action.

treadlightly
12-02-2010, 16:57
Thanks for the review Steve, good to see one "up and running". I have one question: how is the hood? Is it roomy enough or a bit on the tight side ( I realise you haven't got the cord yet)?

Mesquite
12-02-2010, 17:05
But Steve....you're a big lad ;)

:lmao::lmao::lmao: Oh yes.... I'm not denying that one for sure :D


I am looking at it...its not longer a shirt really....but a full-on coat!

I don't think it could ever be a shirt simply because of the weight of the material



That kangaroo pocket is mahoosive! And set a little too low as you have pointed out. On Kev's initial one it was a little high. I am sure that Kev will tweak and twiddle your shirt for you when you are next passing through to correct some of the points you have made. After all you were a bit of a guinea pig.

I'm not too sure when I'll be down Exeter way again, certainly not too soon anyway.

What I was thinking of doing was to take the Kangaroo pocket off and reduce the depth then re-attaching it so it becomes a handwarmer pocket. Shouldn't be that difficult and the stacker pocket can take over for bits I'll carry because that's a similar size as the kangaroo pocket is. The excess material can go towards making a new breast pocket flap :)

Mesquite
12-02-2010, 17:07
Thanks for the review Steve, good to see one "up and running". I have one question: how is the hood? Is it roomy enough or a bit on the tight side ( I realise you haven't got the cord yet)?

Plenty of room in the hood as it stands.

I'll let you know how it is once I get some cord in and can pull it a bit tighter.

DutchDave
13-02-2010, 15:20
Looks good. I'll have to wait a while but I'm a patient man. In the meantime I can look for the various options. Kanga and stacker are a cert.
I didn't understand you remark about the cuff tabs. I possible could you have a picture of those?
Overall the shirt really looks well made, compliments to Peggy.

Mastino
13-02-2010, 21:01
Great review. Hope you'll enjoy the shirt.

One day , we Obi-wan's will meet in some dark forest:D

Mesquite
13-02-2010, 21:13
I didn't understand you remark about the cuff tabs. I possible could you have a picture of those?

Here you go Dave. The cuff tabs reduce the sleeves down so you don't get wind rushing up them :)

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk151/mesquite_uk/8-1.jpg
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk151/mesquite_uk/9.jpg

bikething
13-02-2010, 21:24
One day , we Obi-wan's will meet in some dark forest:D"If you go down in the woods today.... ":lmao:

littlebiglane
13-02-2010, 21:27
Oooh...that looks a good addition. Nice touch.


Here you go Dave. The cuff tabs reduce the sleeves down so you don't get wind rushing up them :)

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk151/mesquite_uk/8-1.jpg
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk151/mesquite_uk/9.jpg

Corso
14-02-2010, 15:35
would love to see Endicotts make a lighter version something similar to the Bison design would be cool

verloc
16-02-2010, 10:32
Thats looking really good. Quite excited to see more now.

Andy2112
16-02-2010, 10:44
That looks good Steve. Nice one. ;)

Mesquite
16-02-2010, 20:33
Bit of an update as I've had the shirt for a few days now. My intial impressions haven't changed and it's a really cracking bit of kit, well made and a good quality material. It's certainly distinctive in it's style. I've not had any really cold weather yet to go out in but I reckon it will perform well.

I forgot to mention that I had leather reinforcement strips on the throat vent as I was going to punch laces holes. The leather used is a good heavyweight one ideal for this job. If you're planning to do the same and lace the vent shut then go for this option. I'm awaiting the reinforcement piece that's going to be stitched on at the bottom of the vent. It's currently with a certain young talented artist that we all know who is working her usual magic on leather :rolleyes:

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk151/mesquite_uk/12.jpg

Treadlightly asked about the hood. Well my initial impressions were it was roomy but that was wrong once I fitted the hood cord and did the throat vent up. As you can see from the pictures it turns out the hood has been made a bit tight for my head on my shirt. I've suggested to Kev that the hood be enlarged by about 4 or 5cm on each panel along the curve of the hood. With mine I'll have to have a tapered panel retro fitted along the hood seam. Looking at it I think it might make the hood sit a bit better as well when in use.

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littlebiglane
16-02-2010, 20:47
Good points Mesquite. The more I look at the more I want one. You are luckier than you know.

Inusuit
17-02-2010, 15:33
A interesting and well-made shirt/coat. I note that lots of UK bushcraft garments are pullover. So I wonder how you prevent overheating and sweating when on the move? In my case, I need to layer and be prepared to open zippers, buttons, etc. to keep from soaking myself from the inside. In a garment like this one, I would be drenched in the first quarter mile of uphill trail.

oetzi
17-02-2010, 15:46
Maybe one has to do what over at wintertrekking.com is called "being on the edge of cold", meaning that one has to wear only those few clothes as not to start getting too warm and subsequently sweating while on the move.
http://wintertrekking.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=6a9f75032b 9982cd1ac9b835f8f3f06a&action=article_intro&sub=Clothing
"The common thread for the body layering components will be venting excess heat and moisture. In fact the secret to staying warm and dry in winter is staying "cool". Experienced winter trekkers will talk about "traveling on the edge of cold", which means when you are working hard, e.g. hauling a toboggan, your system is stripped down to the absolute minimum so that you are comfortable, not sweating much, and not hot, but instead comfortably cool. You want to be a cool camper, don't you?
I tried it and it works, albeit takes some getting used to, because i had to relearn gow to dress.

Inusuit
17-02-2010, 21:13
Experienced winter trekkers will talk about "traveling on the edge of cold", which means when you are working hard, e.g. hauling a toboggan, your system is stripped down to the absolute minimum so that you are comfortable, not sweating much, and not hot, but instead comfortably cool.

Yes, you stated my concern much better than I did. My most miserable time in the outdoors was U.S. Army basic training in January/February. Those in charge selected the uniform of the day. We'd double time to an outdoor training area, not allowed to unbutton our field jackets. Of course everyone was wet from the inside by the time we were required to sit outdoors for two hours in 0 C temps.

"Traveling on the edge of cold" says it perfectly.

littlebiglane
19-02-2010, 07:40
A interesting and well-made shirt/coat. I note that lots of UK bushcraft garments are pullover. So I wonder how you prevent overheating and sweating when on the move? In my case, I need to layer and be prepared to open zippers, buttons, etc. to keep from soaking myself from the inside. In a garment like this one, I would be drenched in the first quarter mile of uphill trail.

Of course it all depends if you are going to undertake hi-energy activity ;)

If you like you can add a full zip as an option to this one. I am sure that pit-zips and side zips could be added. However I don't think you can get away with the undoubted thickness and warmth of the garment when viewed as a single layer. Horses of courses really - I don't think this 'shirt' will be for the ultra-light, hi-energy, edge-of-cold fraternity. You could always do a Wim Hof :D

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/daredevils/video/series-1/episode-3/ice-man-or-maniac

Pepperana
19-02-2010, 10:33
Thats a Dutch men. They can do everything!


:)

littlebiglane
19-02-2010, 10:59
Thats a Dutch men. The can do everything!


:)

The man is a prime example of evolution - if his 'cold' genes pass onto his children. A real 'super-human' in the true sense of the word. Nuts. But Amazing.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/d...-man-or-maniac

DutchDave
20-02-2010, 20:59
Here you go Dave. The cuff tabs reduce the sleeves down so you don't get wind rushing up them :)

Thanks for clearing that up. Really looks good. And than snaking up the list by three is making things coming my way sooner.