View Full Version : Tactical bushcraft...What does that mean
I was reading the thread on the Spyderco bushcraft knife regarding the problem with the stabilised burr handle, and had a look at the blurb on Proadventure.
Made me think: what does the addition of the word tactical add to the quality, practicality, usefulness of what appears to me a fairly nice looking (expensive) but pretty much run of the mill woodlore clone (ish) :dunno:
It may be the grumpy/cynical ol' man in me :rolleyes:, but I really don't get it, apart from being advertising hype, using language/indirect name dropping to try and increase desirability and put the price up in the process. It must obviously work for these tactics being used.
If I put a bit of olive paracord lanyard on my knives, and call them tactical, will I sell more of them at a higher price??? :cool:
Please enlighten me...:confused:
There's not much to be enlightened on it, spyderco thought it was a good thing to say for some reason. In the US it probably means a lot more than here and is easier to associate with knives, here I think we tend to shy away from that more. In regards to the Spyderco bushcraft knife it's a question for spyderco, they're the only ones that know why it was written like that...
think its a marketing slip up associated with Chris Claycombe the main designer i think he did a tactical design a while back and it was mentioned on BB etc seems Spydie blurb writers found it and hes now the 'Tactical Bushcrafter' :D
ATB
Duncan
korvin karbon
29-12-2009, 12:09
because it is what wood elf ninja's use
i too think its mostly an american thing. for example you have a handgun then you smother it with gadgets like lasers, red dot sights and extended magazines and then its a 'tactical' handgun.
all the tactical knives iv seen have been of very poor design. typically they are a quarter inch thick so they won't break, mat black so they don't shine while you sneak up and stick someone and have a tanto style point for who knows reason:confused:
i think its for people who like to think they are in the SAS or delta force:rolleyes:
im most cases if its labelled as 'tactical' its safe to say its just style over function cr*p
pete
Siberianfury
29-12-2009, 12:20
i think its just a marketing Gimmik, no such thing in real life.
mabye its a phrase ment to broaden the market of the Spyderco BC knife...
Mesquite
29-12-2009, 12:20
I asked the same question and here's Chris Claycombes slant on what a tactical bushcrafter is
Tactical bushcrafter
A) A title created by some US marketting bloke ;), trying to make something sound cooler, by picking up and misconstruing fragments of an old internet thread which, with tongue in cheek, described a black utility type knife as a "tactical" bushcraft knife. The knife being "tactical" not the bushcraft.:rolleyes:
Or
B) Britain is a small, densly populated country with little wilderness. In order to practice bushcraft without alerting other people, the practitioner must take "Leave No Trace" to another level. Think "Ninja-Bushcraft"...cunning, silent, invisible, moving like a shadow, leaving nothing but a dusting of wood shavings in their wake. The only sound that betrays their presense is the distant hiss of a Laplander saw or the swiftly muffled thud of a Gransfors. Tactical bushcraft at its best! :bigok:
haha very true Mesquite:) but imo the word tactical is connected to violence rather than just keeping a low profile
pete
Mesquite
29-12-2009, 12:44
..... but imo the word tactical is connected to violence rather than just keeping a low profile
I'd have to disagree with you on that connection Pete.
To me when I hear the word tactical my immediate connection is to someone gaining a strong postion or or doing clever manuervering to gain the upper hand. It can be applied to games chess and the like where it has a strategic meaning, not violent at all.
its mostly an american thing
I am not sure we can pin that to our American friends' Bushcraft door. I do visit a couple of their Bushcraft forums, and they don't seem to be that taken by the tactical thing. Maybe be different in the heavier survival forums, I don't know.
the word tactical is connected to violence
I am not convinced either. I think the word is used more to convey some sense of the perceived quality, the strength and longevity perhaps, associated with military hardware rather the implying violence (sort of, if it's military, it's got to be good)
Personally, I wouldn't buy something solely on the tactical image and it's implications. I wondered though if people did.
I meant this thread to stay nice and civilised though, not to criticize anybody's views, rather to just discuss things in a friendly way.
Soooo, would you be more likely to buy one of my knives if I put a nice paracord lanyard on it, make a nice black square sheath for it and call it tactical?:pokenest::)
nother point of view could be that spyderco knives as a generalisation :rolleyes: could be seen as more the Tactical type
the bushcrafter oviously isnt so maybe the use of the word tactical was to help ease it into the line up for spydie fans etc
it was also used to describe Chris the designer :rolleyes: not the knife
ATB
Duncan
Melonfish
29-12-2009, 14:47
To me when I hear the word tactical my immediate connection is to someone gaining a strong postion or or doing clever manuervering to gain the upper hand. It can be applied to games chess and the like where it has a strategic meaning, not violent at all.
Well said that man. In my youth having the tactical advantage was all the rage in tabletop gaming, it was about thinking not violence. Of course in the airsoft world it has its applications, plans, manouvering etc.
As for Adding "Tactical" onto something, TBH it is a way of making it "Cool" no other reason
it happens alot in the airsoft world, everything is suddenly "tactical" or "Tacticool" as they call it.
unfortunatly the word bushcraft appears to be going the same way, if you want to sell something online thats remotely outdoorsy it gets the word bushcraft thrown onto it and its instantly kewler then it was 5 mins ago.
C_Claycomb
29-12-2009, 14:55
There really isn't anything worth discussing on this.
It was a screw up by whoever writes blurb for Spyderco. As Mesquite quoted...
"...misconstruing fragments of an old internet thread which, with tongue in cheek, described a black utility type knife as a "tactical" bushcraft knife. The knife being "tactical" not the bushcraft."
At no time during the design process, nor in correspondence with Spyderco, was the knife that they produced ever refered to as tactical, and no one ever suggested that there was anything "tactical" about bushcraft either. I don't even think that it was an attempt to make it sound cooler, or more appealling. I think that it was just someone being told they had to come up with some words about a subject they didn't know much about and them just going off to search the Net for inspiration :dunno:
The whole blurb for the knife was created without reference to, or contact with, anyone from the BCUK. Clearly, had anyone asked us, or me in particular, we could have put them straight on quite a few points. Not least of which being getting the spelling for my name right :p :lmao:
Mesquite
29-12-2009, 16:42
Actually people have the wrong idea about the knife being referred to as tactical....it's actually Chris who was being described by Spyderco as a tactical bushcrafter :rolleyes:
Spyderco's version of a Bushcraft knife is a result of a three-fold collaboration between Tactical Bushcrafter Chris Claycombe, a Bushcraft website called BushcraftUK.com and Spyderco ...
So Chris, in answer to my original question as to what was a tactical bushcrafter, gave us the best description of what it is :D
B) Britain is a small, densly populated country with little wilderness. In order to practice bushcraft without alerting other people, the practitioner must take "Leave No Trace" to another level. Think "Ninja-Bushcraft"...cunning, silent, invisible, moving like a shadow, leaving nothing but a dusting of wood shavings in their wake. The only sound that betrays their presense is the distant hiss of a Laplander saw or the swiftly muffled thud of a Gransfors. Tactical bushcraft at its best! :bigok:
End of the day all credit to Chris and BcUK for the development of the knife, goodjob it's just a shame it had the problems with the handle.
Siberianfury
29-12-2009, 16:50
to me the word "tactical" refers to military and combat equipment, as jojo said the knife looks more like a woodlore than a tactical knife.
i think its a marketing ploy, tactical kit seems to be fairly popular in the states.
Oh blimey! I obviously had my non-PC, non-sensitive jack boots on this morning..:eek:
Mind you, you could argue, if you have Tactical Bushcrafters, you also have to have tactical bushcraft..:pokenest:
Obviously not the best example to use. Never mind. Forget about it gentlemen.. I was not trying to start a war..:rolleyes:
Won't mention it again!
helixpteron
29-12-2009, 17:52
[QUOTE=Mesquite;618031....it's actually Chris who was being described by Spyderco as a tactical bushcrafter[/QUOTE]
When I first saw this description , and the discussion on BF, I was curious as to what on earth they were referring to with the use of that term.
I didn't think it fair to ask on here as it may have come across as disrespectful, besides, its between C.C. and Spyderco.
C_Claycomb
29-12-2009, 18:43
:o
No worries. Its just kind of embarassing, it made me want to cringe the first time I read it...:rolleyes: :lmao:. I reckon this is only about the third time someone has actually asked. :cool:
Maybe I need a version of that quote as my sig line? :D:lmao:
"Tactical" IMO means taking a crowbar, giving it an edge, painting it dark grey and selling it for a premium.
But then I am a grumpy old fart :)
If this term really applies to this particular knife, I dont know. probably just some marketing blurb.
It's a nonesense term.
Traditionally it was a term borrowed from mainly US the law enforcement and military arena, to infer some kind of special operations, SWAT, SEAL, SAS type of design, that presumably made it better for their needs. It has replaced "combat" as the ubiquitous term for fighting knives, being a little more PC and a little less aggressive. What does it mean? Who knows, it's just a buzz word that gets thrown around all over the place, designed primarily to appeal to the machismo of young males. The word "tactical" just gets slapped onto anything when the manufacturers want to tickle the gonads of a particular market. The US market is a little different to ours and this kind of marketing blurb appeals to them more than us. As Chris says, there is really nothing to talk about, it was included as part of some badly researched blurb to promote the knife to people that generally seem to like those kinds of words. In the UK the term is often viewed as silly, comical and a little immature, a cultural difference that obviously slipped passed Spyderco at the time of writing. I'm sure if the copy writers realised that "tactical bushcrafter" wouldn't get more than a snigger in the UK, they would have used some other term. But if you consider that many in the US dont really get bushcraft and connect more readily with E&E and paramilitary survivalism etc, then perhaps you can see where it comes from. There are probably some who think the best "bushcraft" knife should be black powder coated S30v tanto, with a kraton handle and ballistic sheath.
Ignore it, it's meaningless advertising blurb from a different culture. I'm sure you can probably buy tactical toothpaste if you really look for it.
forestwalker
30-12-2009, 16:53
all the tactical knives iv seen have been of very poor design. typically they are a quarter inch thick so they won't break, mat black so they don't shine while you sneak up and stick someone and have a tanto style point for who knows reason:confused:
The tanto point is a bit bit better againt some forms or chain mail, which as we all know is very commonly worn by deer.
i think its for people who like to think they are in the SAS or delta force:rolleyes:
Come one, haven't you allways dreamt that you are one of the few who dares and wins? The obvious solution to having those dreams, being 45 and slightly overweight is to buy all the right kit (which kind of SAS smock is current issue? what kinds of boots, socks, underwear, and toothbrushes are used in Hereford?)
John Fenna
30-12-2009, 17:06
Friends, remember.... "Combat knives" are illegal to sell in the UK "Tactical knives" are not.......
One reason for the name change in popular advertising!
Friends, remember.... "Combat knives" are illegal to sell in the UK "Tactical knives" are not.......
One reason for the name change in popular advertising!
I think that is more of a happy coincidence John. The term was very popular in the US before the UK law change and besides, US manufacturers are not that plugged in to the UK laws and market. The UK market is pretty insignificant to most of them, and definitely not significant enough to inspire a nationwide change in terminology.
It was just popularised by US domestic trends.
http://www.just-whatever.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/dontworry2.jpg
:D
I'm sure you can probably buy tactical toothpaste if you really look for it.
Sounds great, any ideas where I can find it?
nige7whit
30-12-2009, 22:41
I'd have to disagree with you on that connection Pete.
To me when I hear the word tactical my immediate connection is to someone gaining a strong postion or or doing clever manuervering to gain the upper hand. It can be applied to games chess and the like where it has a strategic meaning, not violent at all.
Well, in a military scenario, tactical and strategic have different, specific meanings, but the meanings get blurred with common usage.
If we open the scenario,, a 'Strategic' nuclear weapon is one that influences the course of the war. A 'Tactical' or 'Battlefield' nuclear weapon is one that just kills enough people to allow your advance, preferably with little colateral damage.
Strategy is what we want to achieve long term, big picture.
Tactics are what we do on the ground to achieve our immediate goal or task completion.
I do think that the word 'Tactical' has been corrupted, and is generally perceived by many now to mean black clothing or equipment, SWAT teams, bright flashlights and laser sights. These are accessories and gadgets, Tactics are methods, doctrine, skills, almost equates to bushcraft, if you think of it in such basic terms.
Sounds great, any ideas where I can find it?
Sorry mate, I use combat toothpaste. :D
Sounds great, any ideas where I can find it?
http://www.hunterspec.com/updateable/update_display.cfm?pageid=402
helixpteron
31-12-2009, 00:45
Sounds great, any ideas where I can find it?
Perhaps its available at the same store which sells this.....
http://www.thegreenhead.com/imgs/main/tac-bac-tactical-canned-bacon.jpg
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!:mexwave::mexwav e::mexwave::lmao::lmao::lmao:
helixpteron
31-12-2009, 01:09
Something for the female Tactical Bushcrafters......
http://www.empowerthyself.com/tacticalcorsets/tactical_corset_designs2small. jpg
The mind boggles! :confused:
drewdunnrespect
31-12-2009, 02:27
roapmsl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
People are dumb enough to pay top coin for 'Tactical' trousers, shirts, knives etc, its just crap. Take a shirt, add two chest pockets, triple the price and all of a sudden its 'Tactical'. Utter tosh.
http://www.hunterspec.com/updateable/update_display.cfm?pageid=402
Nope, doesn't come in a black package!
Liking the tactical corset ad though..
helixpteron
31-12-2009, 23:43
Liking the tactical corset ad though..
Is that a Genuine Tactical Undergarment?..... Corset is! http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv29/helixpteron/happy0009.gif
tac⋅ti⋅cal [tak-ti-kuhl]
–adjective
1. characterized by adroit maneuvering or procedure: tactical movements.
2. of or pertaining to a maneuver or plan of action designed as an expedient toward gaining a desired end or temporary advantage.
3. expedient; calculated.
4. prudent; politic.
tac⋅ti⋅cal [tak-ti-kuhl]
–adjective
1. characterized by adroit maneuvering or procedure: tactical movements.
2. of or pertaining to a maneuver or plan of action designed as an expedient toward gaining a desired end or temporary advantage.
3. expedient; calculated.
4. prudent; politic.
You missed out No5:
5. Euphemism for over-priced, matt black, pseudo-military items the owner can get off on, believing they are now a deadly SWAT/SAS 'dealer of death'. Snigger snigger.
You missed out No5:
5. Euphemism for over-priced, matt black, pseudo-military items the owner can get off on, believing they are now a deadly SWAT/SAS 'dealer of death'. Snigger snigger.
no, that's "blacktical" :lmao:
cheers, and.
wentworth
01-01-2010, 21:16
Is that a Genuine Tactical Undergarment?..... Corset is! http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv29/helixpteron/happy0009.gif
Grooooaaaaan. Finally someone with humour worse than mine :)
You missed out No5:
5. Euphemism for over-priced, matt black, pseudo-military items the owner can get off on, believing they are now a deadly SWAT/SAS 'dealer of death'. Snigger snigger.
:lmao::lmao::lmao: Spot on mate :lmao:
demographic
03-01-2010, 01:44
You missed out No5:
5. Euphemism for over-priced, matt black, pseudo-military items the owner can get off on, believing they are now a deadly SWAT/SAS 'dealer of death'. Snigger snigger.
Sounds about right.
Spikey DaPikey
03-01-2010, 09:38
I know a few girls who would love that corset :lmao:
HillBill
03-01-2010, 09:44
Tactical Knife -- a knife not designed for fighting but has certain features that allow it, if needed to be pressed into service as a fighter.
Tactical Bushcrafter -- Someone who isnt a bushcrafter but has certain knowledge that if the situation needs it the person can do a bit of shrafting.
When something is described as tactical it just means multi use to some extent, and if it isnt a multi use item then it aint tactical
I think that's a rather cruel definition if it is said of Chris.
He is honestly one of the most capable, and knowledgable, people I know.
I'm sure that Spyderco did not realise just what an issue this phrase would be in the UK, especially when attached to one of the most painstaking knifemakers involved in bushcraft.
cheers,
M
John Fenna
03-01-2010, 10:07
Hmmmm..... Spyderco go up in my estimation for getting on with the design made up by Chris - and way down for employing a copywriter who thinks that the word "Tactical" enhances the word "Bushcraft".....
HillBill
03-01-2010, 11:46
I think that's a rather cruel definition if it is said of Chris.
He is honestly one of the most capable, and knowledgable, people I know.
I'm sure that Spyderco did not realise just what an issue this phrase would be in the UK, especially when attached to one of the most painstaking knifemakers involved in bushcraft.
cheers,
M
Not said of anyone in particular Mary, just a definition of the phrase. As that is what tactical actually means. Basically its just multi purpose, jack of all trades, master of none. In all fairness you cant even use it in the sense that spyderco did. It may sound good but means nothing. The term can be used to describe items but not people or activites. :)
No offence intended to Chris. I just put it into perspective. If it seems to be a little insulting then maybe spyderco should withdraw the comment as that is really what they are saying, probably without realising it. Most dont really know what tactical means in its true sense when used to describe something, and lots of companys use it as marketing for a product. Fair enough, though to use it to describe a person shows serious lack of understanding of what it actually means. I never coined the term, i just explained it and answered the question in the thread title :)
I think that's a rather cruel definition if it is said of Chris.
He is honestly one of the most capable, and knowledgable, people I know.
I'm sure that Spyderco did not realise just what an issue this phrase would be in the UK, especially when attached to one of the most painstaking knifemakers involved in bushcraft.
cheers,
M
Ahhh, Mary it's not aimed at anyone. I think we all feel for Chris, he didnt ask to get tagged with that phrase and while Spyderco make superb knives, they dropped the baby with their marketing blurb. It's just the result of cross-culture marketing.
A little bit of trivia. Spyderco made a knife called the pride. They stuck a US flag on it and it sold by the bucketful. They made a UK version with a Union falg on it and it was a massive flop. Sal didn't get why. He asked on BritishBlades and the message he got was that while we are every bit as patriotic as any other country, we dont go in for the same kind of flag waving. Sal asked what would work in the UK and the UKPK was born.
Different countries, different cultures. What works in one doesnt necessarily work in the other.
helixpteron
06-01-2010, 01:41
Don't like Tactical Packs, yet need to carry your elite gear in a professional manner?
Then these (http://www.nrastore.com/nra/Product.aspx?productid=SA%2022 206) guy's (its gotta be guy's!) have got the bag for you.....
Using the same tactical features that have made our Navy SEAL and Military Special Operations Forces Briefcase & Laptop Bag a best seller, we designed a smaller, more compact version
Compact Navy SEAL and Spec-Ops Utility Case
can accommodate up to a 13” laptop
Clearly this bag is aimed at those whom are so tacti-cool that they can't take the risk of operational failure by using a Briggs & Riley! http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv29/helixpteron/happy0009.gif
Chinkapin
06-01-2010, 02:36
Hummmmm, Tactical Bacon, --- must come from a Tactical Hog. Guess the tactics that poor mr. Hog used were not very good or he would be alive and the man at the slaughter house would be dead.
Tactical Toothpaste --- very difficult to find in stores. I guess the camo packaging was a big mistake.
The American newsman/writer H.L Mencken once observed that "no one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public." I think that is a pithy comment regarding all of this "tactical" crap.
I never coined the term, i just explained it and answered the question in the thread title :)
...subjectively.
Another definition would be....
tactical:
of, or relating to tactics; of, or relating to military operations that are smaller or more local than strategic ones; adroit, skilful or ingenious
I would suggest that this is the meaning behind the phrase as it's used in this context. In fact in most contexts.
Tactical Bushcrafter -- Someone who isnt a bushcrafter but has certain knowledge that if the situation needs it the person can do a bit of shrafting.
When the SAS do a tactical building entry, Is it on the basis that they arent really specialists, but if the situation needs it they can do a bit? ;) :D
Leonidas
06-01-2010, 05:44
When the SAS do a tactical building entry, Is it on the basis that they arent really specialists, but if the situation needs it they can do a bit? ;) :D
I sense a little bit of national SAS pride oozing out there....:)
Tom
HillBill
06-01-2010, 12:33
...subjectively.
Another definition would be....
tactical:
of, or relating to tactics; of, or relating to military operations that are smaller or more local than strategic ones; adroit, skilful or ingenious
I would suggest that this is the meaning behind the phrase as it's used in this context. In fact in most contexts.
When the SAS do a tactical building entry, Is it on the basis that they arent really specialists, but if the situation needs it they can do a bit? ;) :D
Like i said, Tactical when used to desribe an item means Multi use, jack of all trades master of none. The SAS are not an item and a tactical unit is a unit that can perform all functions and does not specialise in one, same thing. My unit in the legion was a Tactical unit. We had extensions that were more specialised like DINOPS for example. The SAS is divided into 4 groups ( air, boat, mountain, and ground) so each group is tactical yet the overall is specialised to those four groups.
Like i said, Tactical when used to desribe an item means Multi use, jack of all trades master of none. The SAS are not an item and a tactical unit is a unit that can perform all functions and does not specialise in one, same thing. My unit in the legion was a Tactical unit. We had extensions that were more specialised like DINOPS for example. The SAS is divided into 4 groups ( air, boat, mountain, and ground) so each group is tactical yet the overall is specialised to those four groups.
Hmmmm, been looking at some online definitions Bill and I cant find any that say multi-use, or jack of all trades. In fact all the definitions I am reading say the opposite.
Here's some...
adj.
1. Of, relating to, or using tactics.
2.
1. Of, relating to, used in, or involving military or naval operations that are smaller, closer to base, and of less long-term significance than strategic operations.
2. Carried out in support of military or naval operations: tactical bombing.
3. Characterized by adroitness, ingenuity, or skill.
tactics - the branch of military science dealing with detailed maneuvers to achieve objectives set by strategy
tactics - Short-term plan of action – usually with specific goals.
I'm not trying to pick a fight Bill, but you said that most dont really know what tactical means in its true sense and I'm just trying to find where that comes from?
HillBill
06-01-2010, 13:30
You are quoting on Tactics Martyn which isn't the same as tactical. Tactics are manouvers or strategies you employ the 2 words can be used interchangebly. This is the english language remember we have the same words that mean different things for example
When planning tactics you know the objective and are planning on how to accomplish it.
When planning tactically then you are planning a tactic to cover all eventualities as you dont know exactly what your going to be doing.
Then theres tactical kit which is planned to be used for more than one purpose and reduces the need for specialist kit.
Do you follow?
Hmmmm, been looking at some online definitions Bill and I cant find any that say multi-use, or jack of all trades. In fact all the definitions I am reading say the opposite.
Here's some...
I'm not trying to pick a fight Bill, but you said that most dont really know what tactical means in its true sense and I'm just trying to find where that comes from?
John Fenna
06-01-2010, 13:39
Stratagy = big picture
Tactics = small picture
Tactical = as used in smaller picture
Tactical equipment = (1) items used in the smaller picture (ie the sharp end where orange meets blue)
(2) black ugly bits of kit that need a tag-line to sell them to the gullable public.....
As I understand it anyway! :D
You are quoting on Tactics Martyn which isn't the same as tactical. Tactics are manouvers or strategies you employ the 2 words can be used interchangebly. This is the english language remember we have the same words that mean different things for example
It's a derivative of the same word Bill, tactics is the noun, tactical is the adjective and tactically is the adverb. But that is irrelevant, I just wanted to know where you got your definition from (of either the noun, adjective or adverb), because I cant find anything that is even remotely close.
HillBill
06-01-2010, 13:43
Stratagy = big picture
Tactics = small picture
Tactical = as used in smaller picture
Tactical equipment = (1) items used in the smaller picture (ie the sharp end where orange meets blue)
(2) black ugly bits of kit that need a tag-line to sell them to the gullable public.....
As I understand it anyway! :D
It has a lot of grey areas. For example when the tactics are defined and you know exactly what you are doing then you will use specialised kit as opposed to tactical kit, which you use when you dont know what your doing.:)
HillBill
06-01-2010, 13:43
It's a derivative of the same word Bill, tactics is the noun, tactical is the adjective. But that is irrelevant, I just wanted to know where you got your definition from, because I cant find anything that is even remotely close.
From 8 years in the military in a tactical unit mate. :) Which may sound good but basically means we can do anything they require from us.
Big Geordie
06-01-2010, 13:48
John, Does that mean you can market "tactical" Dragon's Breath Kits in Black Leather at a premium?:You_Rock_
G
From 8 years in the military in a tactical unit mate. :) Which may sound good but basically means we can do anything they require from us.
Fair enough. :)
C_Claycomb
06-01-2010, 13:51
http://www.stephennewton.com/images/duty-calls.gif
:D
How about we let this thread die? The original question has been more than answered, and as interesting as some of the meanders have been, it doesn't look like its going anywhere useful now.
Debating who has the true understanding of what "tactical" means, as a word, is about as useful as discussing what "bushcraft" means, we've been THERE before:lmao:.
John Fenna
06-01-2010, 14:05
John, Does that mean you can market "tactical" Dragon's Breath Kits in Black Leather at a premium?:You_Rock_
G
Good plan!:lmao:
http://www.stephennewton.com/images/duty-calls.gif
:D
How about we let this thread die? The original question has been more than answered, and as interesting as some of the meanders have been, it doesn't look like its going anywhere useful now.
Debating who has the true understanding of what "tactical" means, as a word, is about as useful as discussing what "bushcraft" means, we've been THERE before:lmao:.
Some tactical moderation there from the tactical bushcrafter. :D :P
Just pulling yer leg Chris. ;)
Well Chris, I admire your tactics but I'm not sure you've used the technically appropriate imagery. This seems to apply mo' better. ;) Just my opinion, of course. :drive:
:deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse:
helixpteron
06-01-2010, 15:43
From 8 years in the military in a tactical unit mate. :) Which may sound good but basically means we can do anything they require from us.
Now there will be lots of readers dying to know just which brand of Tactical laptop bag and spork your unit deployed! :confused:
Imagine the consequences if the Tactical laptop bag deployed was unsuitable for the mission parameters! :eek:
Inquiring minds need to know! http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv29/helixpteron/happy0054.gif
HillBill
06-01-2010, 16:10
Now there will be lots of readers dying to know just which brand of Tactical laptop bag and spork your unit deployed! :confused:
Imagine the consequences if the Tactical laptop bag deployed was unsuitable for the mission parameters! :eek:
Inquiring minds need to know! http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv29/helixpteron/happy0054.gif
:lmao: :lmao:
I think a bag is one of the silliest things to describe as tactical IMO. Though i do have a british army kit bag that is a holdall, with rucksack straps hidden under some flaps so it can be carried in various ways. Its about as tactical as a bag can be :lmao:
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Is that a Genuine Tactical Undergarment?..... Corset is!
Grooooaaaaan. Finally someone with humour worse than mine
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Grooooaaaaan. Finally someone with humour worse than mine :)
Admit it, you only thought of the push-up bra!
John Fenna
06-01-2010, 16:19
Admit it, you only thought of the push-up bra!
Surely a push up bra is strategically deploying your reserves and not "tactical" at all.......
Minotaur
06-01-2010, 16:34
The SAS is divided into 4 groups ( air, boat, mountain, and ground) so each group is tactical yet the overall is specialised to those four groups.
Since when?
Is there enough of them to have this sort of specialistation?
The last person I heard of who give the SAS boat creditionals, tried to fly off an oil rig. I belive the SBS get upset.
I think it is a marketing word, for the more advanced consumer. Think about it, we do not like the word combat any more so they change it to something else, and charge us more.
Try using the word medical on a product that times the price by three.
My favorite was the SEAL Medical bag, always wanted to see one.
HillBill
06-01-2010, 16:35
Surely a push up bra is strategically deploying your reserves and not "tactical" at all.......
:D
I had it pegged as a support unit for the front line units....
helixpteron
06-01-2010, 16:51
My favorite was the SEAL Medical bag, always wanted to see one.
Okay! http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv29/helixpteron/happy0054.gif
Details, here (http://www.extremeoutfitters.us/stomp2medicalcoveragebagjumpab le.aspx).
The S.T.O.M.P. II was designed to SEAL team medic specifications.
http://www.extremeoutfitters.us/ProductImages/blkhwk/tactnylon/packs/60MP01OD_5.jpg http://www.extremeoutfitters.us/ProductImages/blkhwk/tactnylon/packs/60MP01OD-open.jpg
HillBill
06-01-2010, 16:54
Since when?
Is there enough of them to have this sort of specialistation?
The last person I heard of who give the SAS boat creditionals, tried to fly off an oil rig. I belive the SBS get upset.
.
http://www.eliteukforces.info/special-air-service/
The 22nd Special Air Service regiment (22 SAS) comprises of 4 active 'sabre' squadrons : A, B, D, & G, each made up of around 60 men. Each Squadron is made up of 4 troops with each troop specialising in certain areas of expertise. Air Troop - skilled in parachute insertions (HALO, HAHO, static line etc)
Boat Troop - specialising in amphibious operations
Mobility Troop - masters of operations using a variety of vehicles
Mountain Troop - expert mountaineers and trained in the disciplines of arctic warfare
helixpteron
06-01-2010, 16:59
:D
I had it pegged as a support unit for the front line units....
Absolutely! http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv29/helixpteron/happy0054.gif
Details, here (www.red-diamond-unif.com/under%20armour.htm).
Under Armour® Tactical Sport Bra
Women's Tactical Under Armour®
http://www.reddiamondonline.com/images/1135.jpg
John Fenna
06-01-2010, 17:05
Absolutely! http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv29/helixpteron/happy0054.gif
Details, here (www.red-diamond-unif.com/under%20armour.htm).
http://www.reddiamondonline.com/images/1135.jpg
:surrender::rofl::thanks:
HillBill
06-01-2010, 17:06
:lmao: they dont half come out with some right cobblers. I cant believe they have a "tactical t shirt" whatever next, the tactical hamburger? a new product of Tacdonalds :lmao:
Absolutely! http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv29/helixpteron/happy0054.gif
Details, here (www.red-diamond-unif.com/under%20armour.htm).
http://www.reddiamondonline.com/images/1135.jpg
helixpteron
06-01-2010, 17:08
http://www.eliteukforces.info/special-air-service/
The 22nd Special Air Service regiment (22 SAS) comprises of 4 active 'sabre' squadrons : A, B, D, & G, each made up of around 60 men. Each Squadron is made up of 4 troops with each troop specialising in certain areas of expertise. Air Troop - skilled in parachute insertions (HALO, HAHO, static line etc)
Boat Troop - specialising in amphibious operations
Mobility Troop - masters of operations using a variety of vehicles
Mountain Troop - expert mountaineers and trained in the disciplines of arctic warfare
http://codenameplannr.files.wordpress .com/2008/07/secret_squirrel.jpg
Let's get back to Tactical Silliness!http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv29/helixpteron/happy0009.gif
http://www.eliteukforces.info/special-air-service/
The 22nd Special Air Service regiment (22 SAS) comprises of 4 active 'sabre' squadrons : A, B, D, & G, each made up of around 60 men. Each Squadron is made up of 4 troops with each troop specialising in certain areas of expertise. Air Troop - skilled in parachute insertions (HALO, HAHO, static line etc)
Boat Troop - specialising in amphibious operations
Mobility Troop - masters of operations using a variety of vehicles
Mountain Troop - expert mountaineers and trained in the disciplines of arctic warfare
...and here's me thinking they must be jack of all trades. :D
HillBill
06-01-2010, 17:31
...and here's me thinking they must be jack of all trades. :D
:D Its an awkward one to see through, the specialities are more insertion techniques or areas of operations.. Other than that, they are, or maybe they are specialists of all trades. They are a tactical unit with specialist tactics for all eventualities, if that makes sense :D
Air troop maybe specialist parachuters but they dont just para drop everywhere. The book bravo two zero is about Air troop who at that time were not using their specialisaton.
Chinkapin
06-01-2010, 19:44
In my humble opinion, which, along with 4.00 dollars, will get you a coffee at Starbucks, all of this "tactical" crap comes out of a culture that has been at war since 1941. With no end in sight for the foreseeable future. We do not, at this point, have a glorification of the military, but we do have a true and deeply felt honoring of the men and women who serve in the military.
Movies like "Rambo" were intended to paint a sympathetic portrayal of Viet Nam vets who returned home and didn't "fit in" anymore, and were "used" by others. As we all know Rambo had a big knife, and this was in my opinion the beginning of the "tactical" knife craze, although I think Gerber had introduced a very successful "combat" knife earlier. Its been downhill ever since.
helixpteron
06-01-2010, 21:08
As we all know Rambo had a big knife, and this was in my opinion the beginning of the "tactical" knife craze, although I think Gerber had introduced a very successful "combat" knife earlier. Its been downhill ever since.
Horrible Realization Time #1:
By definition, this means that Rambo and a Gerber '"combat" knife were a kind of high point! :eek: :confused:
The Horror..... The Horror!
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wentworth
07-01-2010, 00:29
just watched brando in that film for the first time. amazing!
I don't feel too bad about taking this thread off topic by the way.