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The chat room says its been taken offline by the admin.. is this something to do with the outages or will it be put back online soon?
You guessed it! Sorry!! You were right about it being the chat software that was causing the problem - or contributing to it at least.
You'll be glad to know we're working on a replacement. Shouldn't be too long now - if you can stand the suspense! :-D
You guessed it! Sorry!! You were right about it being the chat software that was causing the problem - or contributing to it at least.
You'll be glad to know we're working on a replacement. Shouldn't be too long now - if you can stand the suspense! :-D
quick quick... im getting withdrawal symptoms! :aargh4: :smiley-fa :sulkoff: :rolmao:
:rolmao:
Not long now ... honest!
the new chat room is great!! and we promise not to break it this time!! Thanks people :notworthy
(i don't see any point in starting a new thread for this..) but.. that chat room has obviously been taken offline due to it being abused by some members.. i just wanted to ask is it offline indefinitely or is it just a temporary thing...?
That really is a shame...
As Tony said it was on a condition of trust and it is very dissapointing that some people abused that. :cry:
That really is a shame...
As Tony said it was on a condition of trust and it is very dissapointing that some people abused that. :cry:
Disappointing only begins to describe it when you read the logs.
I'll comment when I'm not so irritated :rant: :banghead:
Young Bushman has been banned from here and BritishBlades as a result of an attempted smear campaign on BB, that was organised and coordinated through the BB & BcUK chatrooms.
For some reason that escapes me, Young Bushman decided to launch an unprovoked attack on myself. He used an alias account on BB (ScottC87) to post some rather nasty comments...
I'm sure we all have private opinions on the people that run forums but i think that the most common one in this case is that Martyn is a know it all **** who would die in a real survival siuation as he would not want to get his kit dirty. So come on, lets raise a toast to the most arrogant, up himself powercrazy man in history. To Fartyn!
Oh look and the silly **** is online and yet he can't see that nobody likes him! or even moderate his forum properly!
I expect i'm about to get banned but make sure you don't let the idiot rant on about how great he is or his little pictures he just "knocked up" that he probably spent hours doing in some state of the art photo editor.
Let my spirit live onnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
FREEDOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMM
I ran a search on his IP on BB and came up empty, but when I did the same on BcUK, every IP for ScottC87 was identical to IP's used by Young Bushman. I later discovered he had confessed/boasted to his authorship of this in the BcUK chatroom.
I don’t know what makes a 14 year old post things like this, but it struck me that it was unlikely to be entirely of his own mind. It was also apparent that the BcUk chatroom was being used for something other than bushcraft and friendly chat. I discussed this with the mods and admins here, they agreed there was a problem and we decided to examine the chatroom history.
Now let me be clear about this (this goes for both BB and BcUK).
PM's = Private.
Forums = Public.
Chatroom = Public.
Now I'm labouring the point because it seems apparent, that this little nugget hasn't sunk in...
WHEN YOU MAKE A COMMENT IN THE CHATROOM, YOU ARE MAKING A PUBLIC STATEMENT THAT IS RECORDED AND STORED IN THE DATABASE FOREVER AND CAN BE RE-READ AT ANY TIME!
You are liable for what your write in a chatroom, just as much as on a forum, or even a newspaper for that matter. Courts can request of a website owner, full transcripts of chatroom logs to be presented in the event of a dispute, libel, slander, or defamation suit.
This public nature of the chatroom has been made abundantly clear on many occasions, as well as the fact the chatroom will be moderated. Yet I was stunned at what I read. The nasty and hateful messages being banded about, not just regarding myself, but also Tony, Kath, Adi and others. It was very clear that this was far more than just a mouthy juvenile. Browsing the chatroom history shows that he was really not much more than a foolish and gullible pawn. However, he was the one foolish enough to take this as far as he did and make defamatory comments in public. Just 14 or not, he consciously made deliberately poisonous comments, designed specifically to offend and hurt. If you're old enough to write it, you're old enough to be banned for it! However, and against the better judgment of many, he was given an opportunity to apologise - he declined.
The others involved were a little more shrewd and kept the nastiness in the chatroom. For that, they shall remain nameless, but they know who they are and they should be ashamed of themselves.
Here's a couple of comments from Young Bushman for illustration...
"have you stilll got that private message martyn sent you when you made a post in the fly agaric thread"
"well if you haven't got it can you write a description of what he sent it for and why we're starting a hate campaign on a different chat against Martyn!!"
" didn't like to say earlier because i thought you would all suspect me but i actually have an account caled ScottC87 thats my acccount"
IT WAS MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
The above is only a small snippet of Young Bushman's comments; I won’t quote other people or go back further, though I'm tempted. Let me make it clear, the disturbing and upsetting thing here isn't just the rants of some teenager "having fun", but also the comments from adults in the chatroom who should damn well know better.
This is not what our websites are about. Have we strayed so far off track that this is what we have been reduced to? The admins and moderators have put 100's, even 1000's of hours into our websites and this... simply stinks. We regularly work into the small hours, trying to build sites that are fun, enjoyable and informative, for nothing more than the love of it. The small cash returns, barely cover the electricity, let alone the numerous bills that need to be covered. We don’t ask for anything, ...but hate campaigns, poisonous hateful messages - not just about me, but others, Kath, Adi, Tony and the mods....
What gives? It'd be easy for me or Tony to just agree to everything and anything, but the forums would turn to chaos in days. Our communities need people prepared to shoulder the agro and stand in the way of the crap. This demands we need to be hard-nosed on occasions. We don’t expect thanks, but "hate campaigns"?
I don’t know about Adi, Kath and Tony, but this makes me sick to my stomach. I feel like I want to jack the lot in.
I'm sorry, but shameful is the only way to describe this....
Have you stopped to think how you make people feel when you write stuff like this? I have a thick skin, but it's not that thick, and I'm damned sure others feel it deeply. Is this what it's all about then? Is this the great philosophy, poisonous chatroom backstabbing? Fortunately for our two forums, the friendship that exists between me and Tony, is very real and goes far beyond websites. It'll be around long after this unpleasantness has faded into a nasty memory. But for now, if I were you, I'd be very, very nice to Tony, Kath and Adi. As for me, I think I'll take my leave for a while, I've a nasty taste in my mouth.
Martyn.
I'm really shocked and saddened to hear about this. Only being part of the BCUK family for a short time, I saw everyone as being friendly and helpful, and I think for the majority that this is correct.
But to think that somebody would join a site to disrupt and cause offence to others, it's just wrong.
I hope that everyone learns from this individuals mistake and doesn't repeat them. After all, <learning> is what this site is about.
nameless
22-02-2005, 19:13
:***: :f: :oT: :twak: :thumbs_do :aargh4: :argue: :Slam_anim :sword2: :BlueTeamE oh my god well i would like to apoligise on behalf of all the other teenagaers on this site, and how about you get a mod who's job is to check the chatroom? and will ban the person including their ip address after tw instances? and also is ip just their computer number? and what a flippin, no good brat!!
I'm sorry that a group as openly friendly and helpful has been sullied by the actions of a little a cabal of eejits. "Sticks and stones may break my bones....but names may hurt me very much". Even in the playground kids know better.
Admin and Mods on this site do such a good job, please don't let a fundamental orifice screw it up for anyone else.
Toddy
please don't let a fundamental orifice screw it up for anyone else.Toddy
Aptly put.
arctic hobo
22-02-2005, 20:10
I'm very shocked by this! And saddened as well. You are of course absolutely right in getting rid of him, and let me assure you Martyn you don't come across anything like he was saying!
You must be mad! :rant: And also those of you who you said were also insulted... It's such a shame because this is a brilliant forum where people get on and respect each other, there is no place in it whatsoever for people like that... quite what he was trying to achieve is beyond me :?:
What can I say but thanks again for a great site, there are members here (me at least!) who are extremely grateful for what you lot do :You_Rock_
I am lost for words and can only re-iterate what has been said previously. I know what I want to say but can't put it in words to do the scale and appreciation of it justice.
...thanks
The General
23-02-2005, 00:49
Moderating is a tough job, no pay and often no appeciation for the long hours and tough decisions made. This situation saddens me.
Kath, Tony, Adi and Martyn :You_Rock_ :Crazy_071
Carcajou Garou
23-02-2005, 01:04
Martyn, don't take it to heart, ramblings of in-experience, he will see eventualy that this is one of the best places to share. you are right though banning was really over due you have patience!!! :wave: keep the faith
just a thought
I didn't know stuff like this happened here. I always felt this was a place safe from people like that. I know I've not been here long but I figured this virtual camp fire was a place of wisdom and maturity.
This place is the first site I check when I turn on my pc just in case something new has been discovered or someone has spotted a bargain. To all the moderators and forumites who make this place something special to read and post on...
Thank you for what you do. I appreciate it and I know there are many more who also do. I mean without you lot who's gonna answer all the questions I have about the wildcamping trip I plan to take to Scotland later this year...
:You_Rock_
so is the chatroom down permanently..?
I guess appearances truly can be deceiving. He seemed quite a switched on, decent, normal kid, but ...:shock::sad:
Can only mirror what I've said before. This is THE best forum I've ever had the privelage to belong to, and echo what everyone has already said about the Mods and Admins here and on BB on the rare occasions I remember I have an account over there.:You_Rock_ :ekt:
Many thanx to all the admin-type people who have made both forums great places to be, and all the users that make this a great place to hang-out.:You_Rock_ :notworthy
It's very sad when things like this happen but they are inevitable as that is the nature of groups, be they on the internet or not. I'm saddened and disappointed by the behavior shown by Young Bushman (also known as bushwackerscott and Ravenlord) towards Martyn and equally saddened to notice that he was being encouraged by other members (who will remain nameless at this stage but they know who they are and we know who they are and they can rest assured that I and others will be keeping a very close eye on them in the future). It's a shame to have to say this when over 99% of the users here are fantastic but it's the only way that things will be kept they way they like it, rather than the way a small minority want it to go.
Abuses of the systems put in place here will not be tolerated and in future abusers of the system will find themselves shown the door much quicker. Abuse of any the services provided here (including, but not limited to the forum, chatroom, calendar, PMs) is easy to prove and this protects everyone involved.
The rest of you (the +99%), thanks for all your support and kind words. :You_Rock_
Paganwolf
23-02-2005, 20:32
I am flabbergasted to put it mildly with out putting it in my essex tounge :rolmao: , Scott Pm'ed me to tell me he was going to be banned and give me a sketchy reason but the evidence put forward here is unbelievable from a 14yr old kid :yikes: , just go's to show you that the internet is a freaky weird place and is he really a 14 yr old!!!! :?: :shock: no one shoul d have to put up with that crap no matter who you are im finding it hard to believe it really why :?:, no matter what happens and no matter what my thoughts are this behavior cannot be tolerated and my hat comes off to all involved who acted in a totally professional mannor whilst dealing with this, Tony and Martyn you have created two great places to be here lets cut the crap and have fun :You_Rock_ :wink:
Squidders
23-02-2005, 22:44
Errr... when did this happen?
I have only been here since August but up until this month I was unaware of anyone being banned and now 2 people so close together?
I'm not calling into question the bans, the mods have shown more restraint than I would have but just what's happened to these folk to make them act the way they did within such a short time span. It's quite sickening because since joining, this has been THE webpage for me... I spend more time on here than on any other and the people I have spoken to have been some of the most generous and understanding people I have known.
Only today, I received some photos via e-mail from a member that could have been charged for, only because that member was nice enough to send them, same as some lanyard knots in the post... I have also been to a meet up and ate food provided by someone else with no selfish requirements of their own. This kind of behaviour only makes me want to give back.
I haven't really spent any time on BB but I popped in a few times and everyone was nice, friendly and easy to talk to.
Young bushman always seemed so normal.
I noticed raven thingy in the new member section earlier today, I had no idea it was young bushman again.
I'm sorry to ramble on but I’m just so put out by this. I hope it's limited to the people who have already been banned and I hope the mods are better than I am at coping with this kind of abuse because I would have just freaked and banned everyone who said anything negative regarding this incident.
I'm still rambling aren't I... I'll stop now.
My views can be seen here (http://www.freewebs.com/englandwonder/trolls.htm)
I just hoe we get the chat room back as I miss it and teh people I spoke to in there
Errr... when did this happen?
I have only been here since August but up until this month I was unaware of anyone being banned and now 2 people so close together?
I'm not calling into question the bans, the mods have shown more restraint than I would have but just what's happened to these folk to make them act the way they did within such a short time span. It's quite sickening because since joining, this has been THE webpage for me... I spend more time on here than on any other and the people I have spoken to have been some of the most generous and understanding people I have known.
Only today, I received some photos via e-mail from a member that could have been charged for, only because that member was nice enough to send them, same as some lanyard knots in the post... I have also been to a meet up and ate food provided by someone else with no selfish requirements of their own. This kind of behaviour only makes me want to give back.
I haven't really spent any time on BB but I popped in a few times and everyone was nice, friendly and easy to talk to.
Young bushman always seemed so normal.
I noticed raven thingy in the new member section earlier today, I had no idea it was young bushman again.
I'm sorry to ramble on but I’m just so put out by this. I hope it's limited to the people who have already been banned and I hope the mods are better than I am at coping with this kind of abuse because I would have just freaked and banned everyone who said anything negative regarding this incident.
I'm still rambling aren't I... I'll stop now.It's been a hard few weeks. I'm very sorry that young Scott is gone. I was quite fond of him actually. It's been a tough decision to ban him that I can tell you wasn't reached easily. We gave him every chance but he hasn't helped himself either with some of the things that he's done and said since.
Yes it is upsetting. Even more so as it's been my unfortunate job to moderate the chatroom. (So to some of the people that have said things they shouldn't have, yes I do know what you think of me and the rest of the moderators - and yes I will be watching what you do very carefully from now on.) This forum however will get back to normal and move on. It will forget this unpleasantness because life goes on. There's a fantastic bunch of people on here. And it's a fantastic resource that supports us all in the pursuit we share - bushcraft. And things will be nicer all round.
I for one am looking forward to spending less of my time sorting out things for the people of this community and doing some bushcraft instead! Far too much of my kit is bright and shiny when it shouldn't be - simply because I've spent too much of my time doing stuff for you. It's just not on. As JP said cut the crap and have fun! I will! :biggthump
Hi.
i was unaware of these goings on and its something i could of done with not learning about.
I have made more friends and met more interesting people through BCUK and BBlades than i can remember. It is a hard task being a Mod, we all myself included forget how much effort goes into keeping a place like this up and running.
All the mods and admin team you have my gratitude and respect. :You_Rock_
I do feel that those that encouraged Scott should suffer the same fate. Adults carry a duty of care whether it be on line or in the woods and should set a positive role model.
Lets hope that the forum learns from others mistakes and grows stronger for it.
Once again Martyn and Tony et al thanks for the hard work and long may we reap the benefits of your endeavors on our behalf. :Crazy_071
Kath,
In many ways I can see that being a Mod must be a very trying job, watching people talking about all the stuff you wish you were actually doing instead of sitting there having to keep an eye on what's going on. Guess it must make you an uber-parent 24/7. LOL
At the risk of repeating myself, (it comes with having been in IT and dealing wth IT managers :wink: ), you folks in Mod Land do a fantastic job :ekt: and it must try your patience having to just watch things and not say what you really want to say as you have to be unbiased and impartial.
Anyway, keep up the good work, and LONG LIVE BCUK!
Extremely trying, yes. Especially when reading things people have written about me! :nono:
My views can be seen here (http://www.freewebs.com/englandwonder/trolls.htm)
I just hoe we get the chat room back as I miss it and teh people I spoke to in there
It's good to see you showed some restraint. :rolmao:
My views can be seen here (http://www.freewebs.com/englandwonder/trolls.htm)
Funniest damned thing I've read in a long time Andy, thanks for the laugh - it was most welcome :biggthump
And on that note I think we should move on from this and forget about it.
It is a shame and it was a hard decision as I very much liked the people that we had to ban. It was something that needed to be done though, the site has rules and they are there purely to keep the site a nice place to be, I instigated them so that people would feel confident that they could relax and that while on here they would be protected from slander and attacks of any kind. This is a place to talk about bushcraft, it’s cost a lot of money and a lot of personal sacrifices, not just from those you see on here..Have a word with my wife and kids and the next meet if you want some perspective on it. Anyone that comes here needs to use the rules and regs as a guideline and not step over the boundaries they represent; this is the commitment that people make when they join bcuk. The chatroom is fresh in peoples minds right now as it’s the centre of an issue, but the rules and regs cover all the site, every bit of it. Be nice, show respect to all people, no matter what you opinion is.
I’d also like people to keep things bushcraft orientated in the threads, bcuk has lost some very valuable members because they get tired of sifting through pointless comments and all the non bushcraft posts, I’m not saying that you can’t have a laugh and a joke now and then but sometimes it’s pages of meaningless posting and it’s not nice for everyone else, it all goes back to that respect thing. Let’s keep the forum focused on what it was designed for. That’s probably why grief happens, we moderate to bring the site back into line with it’s bushcraft focus. Some people think that because they come on here a lot they should be allowed to talk about whatever they like, when they like in whatever thread they like, this is not the case, this is a bushcraft forum for talking bushcraft, let’s talk bushcraft, then get out and do bushcraft and when we’ve done that, come back and talk about it again until our next sojourn…..
And last but not least, if you’ve got a gripe don’t let it fester, I know that because this is a virtual world things can come across very blunt and sometimes things are misinterpreted, give others the benefit of the doubt, if you’ve got an issue sort it quickly. The issue with the chatroom was something that had built up and encouraged by others, it should have been something that was resolved long ago. I make no favourites on here, even though sometimes it may come across like that, I also offer no excuse for what we do, which is our best and I’m grateful to everyone that supports us and supports bcuk, you bushcrafters are a wonderful people.
So, keep it clean, keep it focused, make friends, not enemies and have a great time on the site. :You_Rock_
PS
Chatroom will be back up later :wink: