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BIG-TARGET
08-01-2005, 19:58
I was watching a TV show about desert warfare. And they were discussing the British Long Range Desert Group in WW2. And they showed a picture of their cool truck they used. In fact, it was this truck:
http://www.modelsinmotion.co.uk/images/products/35092.jpg
That would make a cool bushcrafti vehicle. Me personally, I'd dump the mounted vickers MG and replace it with a G.E. Mini-Gun :biggthump
TheViking
08-01-2005, 20:07
That would make a cool bushcrafti vehicle. Me personally, I'd dump the mounted vickers MG and replace it with a G.E. Mini-Gun :biggthump
Surely you mean this one (http://www.military.cz/usa/weapons/guns/kulomety/minigun/mini_gun_s.jpg) :twisted: :nana: :rolmao:
No seriously, a good bushcraft vehicle IMO would be an APC (http://www.haaland.info/denmark/apc/bilder/m113.jpg) . Great vehicle, drinks a lot, weighs a lot, costs a lot, and satisfies a lot! :D
BIG-TARGET
08-01-2005, 20:08
Surely you mean this one (http://www.military.cz/usa/weapons/guns/kulomety/minigun/mini_gun_s.jpg) :twisted: :nana: :rolmao:
No seriously, a good bushcraft vehicle IMO would be an APC (http://www.haaland.info/denmark/apc/bilder/m113.jpg) . Great vehicle, drinks a lot, weighs a lot, costs a lot, and satisfies a lot! :D
YUP!!!! Just like the ones used in "Blackhawk Down" :You_Rock_
But, according to friends in the Reserves, the heater in the 113 ain't worth ***t!!!!!
Andy,
Having driven the APC in a number of places including Bosnia I can say they are a complete pig to drive, you steer using 2 sticks and break by pulling them both back at the same time. Give me a Landrover or Warrior any time.
Brian
BIG-TARGET
08-01-2005, 23:13
I'm surprise you didn't use those armored cars , like the ones that were driven in Northern ireland??
Or the LAV-25 that the swiss miltary, and the USMC use??? :?:
im a bit confused why does a bushcrafter need a armored car or a machine gun?
arnt the ones used in Northern Ireland just Defenders with armor? :?:
BIG-TARGET
09-01-2005, 01:13
im a bit confused why does a bushcrafter need a armored car or a machine gun?
arnt the ones used in Northern Ireland just Defenders with armor? :?:
Poachers!!! :yikes:
Must be some big rabbit to need an APC and a mini gun :o):
BIG-TARGET
09-01-2005, 01:28
Must be some big rabbit to need an APC and a mini gun :o):
I still get nightmares of that rabbit from Monty Python and the Holy Grail :yikes:
Great Pebble
09-01-2005, 06:05
It's one of these you want....
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/nick.nemesis/20FM80r.jpg
we used to disconnect the personel heater hose from were it attached to floor, stick our c-ration cans inside it and they'd get toasty hot. plenty of room to sting up my hammock inside, otherwise a worthless piece of junk!!. you know what a.p.c. stands for?? --- anonamous personel coffin!!, only someone whose never pulled maint. on a tracked vehicle would want one , but still my idea of the great bushcrafty vehicle is that tracked job the s.a.s. use's for artic ops. cant remember its name ,think its made in sweden. sweeeeeeeeet
It's one of these you want....
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/nick.nemesis/20FM80r.jpg
Nick, that is not a SIMBA, it is not one of the latest either. The new Wolf type lannie is one of the best IMO and I have worked with Lannie's from some of the old ones in 1965 upto the weapons platforms in 1999,
"20mm Giat" is a beast, as are twin 0.5 cal's, one major problem, what have they in the long term to do with bushcraft :?:
Nick, that is not a SIMBA, it is not one of the latest either. The new Wolf type lannie is one of the best IMO and I have worked with Lannie's from some of the old ones in 1965 upto the weapons platforms in 1999,
"20mm Giat" is a beast, as are twin 0.5 cal's, one major problem, what have they in the long term to do with bushcraft :?:
Mmmm. Wolf :naughty:
Martin
steven andrews
12-01-2005, 12:10
, but still my idea of the great bushcrafty vehicle is that tracked job the s.a.s. use's for artic ops. cant remember its name ,think its made in sweden. sweeeeeeeeet
You can buy one here..BV206 (http://armyvehiclesbyssengineering.8b it.co.uk/)
Great Pebble
12-01-2005, 12:30
There ain't any SIMBA's left :(
Tried very hard with the assistance of my local club and the backing of some fairly high ranking local rozzers to get at least one out into private hands for history's sake - no dice. It's possible Police workshops will hold onto one for posterity, hope so.
A Wolf would be nice, but as I could probably buy a wee shooting cottage in the sticks for the same money as the few that have come out have changed hands for I'll have to pass for a while.
The Lightweight is my favourite LR, looks wise at least, and I was lucky enough to get that one at decent money.
With apologies for the non-bushcraftyness.... (One of) the last of the SIMBAs
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/nick.nemesis/simba.jpg
Great Pebble
12-01-2005, 12:53
Reading back through the posts I realise there's a bit of confusion...
Somebody mentioned the vehicles in use over here and then I posted a pic of my own LR.... oops.
For the record the Landies in N.I have included...
Shorland - Relatively heavily armoured SIII, often with turret from Ferret armoured car fitted. It was originally made by Shorts in Belfast and spawned a series of sucessors which are still manufactured for export.
SIII VPK - A Series III with a "Vehicle Protection Kit" light applique armour, sometimes (wrongly) referred to as "Makrolan". A similar kit was produced for the Lightweight.
APV - Early plastic armoured Defender, didn't last too long as they were massively expensive.
CAV - "Courtalds Armoured Vehicle" Defender with a plastic armour shell, remarkably moulded in only two major pieces. Still in use.
Both APV & CAV are colloquially known as "Snatch"
The above were used by the Army, with the exception of the Shorland which also saw service with the RUC.
Hotspur - Steel armoured, based on a 109 Stage 1 V8
Simba - As above but with widened chassis and spaced steel armour.
Tangi - Composite armour, based on 110, remains in service with PSNI
Tenba - Basically a "Simba-ized" 110, very few built.
All of that group were used by the RUC/PSNI.
Other, non-LR armoured vehicles have included the Humber Pig, Alvis Saracen, Daimler Ferret, Alvis Saladin, GKN Saxon and the somewhat odd Chevrolet Tavern, both Saxon and Tavern are still around though in very limited numbers these days given the situation.
Apologies, again to anyone distressed by the non-bushcraftyness. LR's tend to get me talking.
Sry for the hijack :nana:
Traumatized my buttocks from being stuck in the back car for almost 24h during an excersise in a 206....
HAGGLUND BV206 is used by the Royal Norwegian military, but the spec ops/sas model is probably a bit souped ut :super: especially with a 50. cal heavy machine gun in the front wagfon and a box full of Kongsberg multipurpose shells/bullets :o): http://www.haaland.info/norway/recon/bilder/bv206frm.jpg
Sexy pics:
With Tow: http://www.speq.it/album/bw_tow.jpg
Not fun to be unskilled here(been there, and HATED it!) : http://news.mod.uk/img/pressdatabase/images/supportingImages/large/minaf_bv206_tn.jpg
Evolutionized and more battle orientated than the 206:
http://www.haaland.info/norway/storm/index.html
arctic hobo
12-01-2005, 18:17
Made by Hagglunds, now Alvis Hagglunds www.haggve.se
A good site for info is www.bv206.co.uk.
The latest is the Viking, or Bvs10. I have seen both Bv206 and Bvs10 on dartmoor, they are wonderful vehicles but dartmoor hardly tests them. Also the environment people get all tied in a knot about the damage they do to the ground. Not a good town car folks it has an 8 metre turning circle and weighs 2.5 tons :biggthump
Other, non-LR armoured vehicles have included the Humber Pig, Alvis Saracen, Daimler Ferret, Alvis Saladin, GKN Saxon and the somewhat odd Chevrolet Tavern, both Saxon and Tavern are still around though in very limited numbers these days given the situation.
Apologies, again to anyone distressed by the non-bushcraftyness. LR's tend to get me talking.
:yikes: Not the Saxon. The big wheeled death trap what packs the punch of a banana. :drive:
BIG-TARGET
18-02-2005, 00:47
How about this vehicle?????
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Jeep_man/NA2.jpg
And it's economical too!!! :wink:
That looks like one of PPA's Jeeps. Not very economical though - with all the gear they did about 8mpg.
BIG-TARGET
18-02-2005, 19:07
That is an SAS jeep, the twin Vickers are a dead give-a-way!! PPA used soully 50 calibers. One mounted on the front passenger side, one mounted in back!! :biggthump
thinking about it your right.
However PPA usual deployment was 1 x 0.3 and 1 x 0.5 machine guns. it was only Peniakoff's original jeep that has 2x 0.5 MGs.
They also had one fitted with flame thrower for while.
BIG-TARGET
19-02-2005, 13:35
thinking about it your right.
However PPA usual deployment was 1 x 0.3 and 1 x 0.5 machine guns. it was only Peniakoff's original jeep that has 2x 0.5 MGs.
They also had one fitted with flame thrower for while.
You are right about Popski's own jeep!!!
Thank you for the correction. :You_Rock_
Though a few SAS jeeps did have a single 50 (no such thing as too much firepower), the Vickers are the give-a-way!!! :biggthump
No worries - got to admit that its not long since I finished reading Bob Yunnies book.
Popski's Private Army was one of those books that my father said I should read when I was a kid - if i could find a copy. I'd been told about PPA as his uncle was in LRDG & some time in the Lovatt Scouts I believe.
Anyway, when I moved into this house ther way a 1950's copy of Popski's Private Army in the coal bunker full of rubbish :shock: - the old boy that lived here was special forces during WW2.
BIG-TARGET
19-02-2005, 20:31
And today's british SAS "Pink panther" land rovers, or the US-SOC "Fast Attack Vehicles"(Armored dune buggies), and up-armored Hummvees, have not(and probably never will) work as well as the "customized" LRDG/SAS/PPA vehicles!!! :wink:
the environment people get all tied in a knot about the damage they do to the ground. Not a good town car folks it has an 8 metre turning circle and weighs 2.5 tons :biggthump
Maybe I should trade in my Discovery for that - weighs 2.8 tons & the turning circle is 12 metres!
BIG-TARGET
20-02-2005, 12:53
Maybe I should trade in my Discovery for that - weighs 2.8 tons & the turning circle is 12 metres!
How about the 110 defender model . The "square-boxy shaped one" that goes head-to-head with rhinos on the old TV show "Wild Kingdom"???
arctic hobo
20-02-2005, 15:30
Maybe I should trade in my Discovery for that - weighs 2.8 tons & the turning circle is 12 metres!
:shock: Really?
is it true you cant get defenders in the states?
brucemacdonald
20-02-2005, 18:08
They haven't sold Defenders in the States for years - the early 90s I think.
There is a market for old Series Landys that have been upgraded to meet emissions regulations. In LRO magazine there was a feature a while back about a Series IIA station wagon destined for a customer in New York City which was being retrofitted with aircon and other goodies!
Best wishes
Bruce
Guys,
Defenders were withdrawn from sale in North America in the early nieties. It has been reported that they were withdrawn either because they did not meet the emission standards or because of an incident involving a side mounted fuel tank on a Ford truck which, when hit burst into flames.
Either way unless you have the price of a small house you cannot get a '90 (with side-mounted tank) or a '110 now.
As for the ultimate bushcraft vehicle how about one of these?
Regards
Tack
Bushwacker
08-02-2007, 17:32
a good pair of boots, all you need, very economical, good for the environment, and stealthy too! :AR15firin
traderran
26-05-2007, 07:37
is it true you cant get defenders in the states?
Sad to say that is the case now. But we can still get them thru Canada. That is
how I got my 110.