View Full Version : Polish army tent - Lavvu on a budget ?
I mentioned to a few of the guys at Achray at the weekend that I was bidding on ebay for one of these a few weeks ago but lost it in the last few seconds as usual.
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd291/Shewie01/polish.jpg
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd291/Shewie01/ploish2.jpg
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Polish Army 2-man Canvas Bell Tent
Virtually NEW!!! Un-issued, never used!
Complete with sectional aluminium pole and pegs
Ideal for Camping, Fishing, Festivals, Scouts, Kids tent, etc
This genuine Polish Army Surplus tent is made from strong lightweight canvas. It comes in two halves which are attached together to form the tent using an aluminium 4-section centre pole and is easily erected in minutes.
Each half can also be used as a hooded rain cape/poncho (see photo). They have openings for arms, which double as tent air vents when closed.
The tent is listed as virtually new because it is un-issued and never used! It is superbly made and very strong. All in all, a very versatile quality product, which is to all intents and purposes new.
Only a very limited number available!!!!!!
Measurements: 2.5 metres diameter x 1.4 metres high
Weight: 3.4kg
Price £40 + £7.50 p&p
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260480591459&ssPageName=ADME:X:SCO:GB:1123
I'm not sure if the link will open for you as it's a "second chance" offer from the seller to my ebay account. If you're interested give me a shout and I'll pass his details over.
They look like a pretty good piece of kit for the money but I'm going to have to say no myself right now as I've over spent my bushy budget this month.
No connection just thought a few might be interested
Very expensive, they are selling for ten euros over in Germany so not a bad thing you were outbid! I'm asking my wife to get her sister to send one over.
Have you seen one close up then Spam ? What's the quality like ?
Cheers for the heads up, £40 didn't seem to bad until you hear how much they're actually worth.
i,ve got one Rich :rolleyes: very well made piece of kit.the canvas material is very good. i,ve not used it yet.
i,ve got one Rich :rolleyes: very well made piece of kit.the canvas material is very good. i,ve not used it yet.
I'll be interested to hear how they stand up to winds and horizontal rain when you get out next :D
Looks like the WWII German Zeltbahn. The French and Swiss copied the design later, maybe it struck a chord with the Poles, too.
It is not worth it. It may look nice but it's heavy, (extremely heavy when wet), it's too small. It's not 2,5 m diameter- it is 1,8 m diameter at best.
40 pounds !!!???!!! You can buy it in Poland for 2-3 quid piece.
It is not worth it. It may look nice but it's heavy, (extremely heavy when wet), it's too small. It's not 2,5 m diameter- it is 1,8 m diameter at best.
40 pounds !!!???!!! You can buy it in Poland for 2-3 quid piece.
Group buy! :D
This is link to website similar to ebay:
http://allegro.pl/search.php?string=pa%C5%82atka&order=p&change_view=1
Prices are in polish "Zloty" 1 quid is 4,5 Zloty. Pretty simple math :D
scrogger
22-09-2009, 20:10
lol spam are you organising the group buy !!
i want one in a group buy..
scrogger
22-09-2009, 20:21
lol i think he was joking gaz but i could be wrong.
bushcraftsman
22-09-2009, 20:26
I'd buy one in a group buy! would be quite nice to have just to use on your own..even if they are smaller than said, still plenty of room for just you and your stuff...what do they pack down to?
bushcraftsman
22-09-2009, 20:34
infact id be very interested if they are as cheap as some people are saying, I've been looking for a "tipi" style tent for a while just to have for the sake of having...(I'm male...its to be expected:D)
Looks a bit like a plasch-pilatka issuesd to the Russian army.
Topknot
Ok, here's a link (http://allegro.pl/item736858792_nowy_wojskowy_na miot_palatka_pol_torba_gratis_ r2.html)for the Polish version of E-bay, (called allegro and generally not paypal friendly)
The tent's buy now price is about 2 quid. I'll have speak to my wife about using her account and sorting postage.
Just remember that You need two "palatka" to make a tent.
I'll try to post some pictures tomorrow to show how small it really is.
a gb on these would be good
defo .............................. .........................
slammer187
22-09-2009, 22:32
Ashley over at NaturalBushcraft.co.uk just posted a vid with one of these tents in it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g07h9W97Wc
Ok, here's a link (http://allegro.pl/item736858792_nowy_wojskowy_na miot_palatka_pol_torba_gratis_ r2.html)for the Polish version of E-bay, (called allegro and generally not paypal friendly)
The tent's buy now price is about 2 quid. I'll have speak to my wife about using her account and sorting postage.
Count me in please Sam if this GB gets off the ground.
Count me in please if a GB is on for these.
Andy2112
23-09-2009, 10:27
I will be at Swift Valley this weekend where one of the lads will be using one for the first time. I think it cost £24 all in from Germany. I'll have a good look at it for you all if you want. :D
Here are some pics of half of the tent setup. It's setup at 135 cm height. ( Sixth pic at 120cm).
http://img24.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=1143672.jpg
You can see that german folding mat is too long to fit in there.
Hope this helps...
Bushwhacker
23-09-2009, 12:58
How does that work then, when it's pouring with rain and there's no groundsheet?
bushcraftsman
23-09-2009, 18:09
Id like t be counted in for the GB aswell please :puppy_dog
bushcraftsman
23-09-2009, 18:12
also, how long is that german folding mat? would like to know just how much space would be available
cheers
How does that work then, when it's pouring with rain and there's no groundsheet?
Unless you've pitched your tent in a low spot, or on ground that's been so compacted that it won't percolate, it's usually not a problem. If it is, a trench can be scratched around the tent to divert the water.
ForgeCorvus
23-09-2009, 21:05
Ones like this are currently on evilbay at £29.99+£7.50 P&P
I'd like one, but not at that price
Whats the best that we could do as a group buy?
i'm watching this thread with interest :)
If anyone can translate the Polish site above I'll happily look into getting something going
I have been told by the owner of a surplus store that the Norwegian army has the same system and he would get some. I don’t know if he is right but maybe the Norwegian system is made of some lighter materials.
bushcraftsman
23-09-2009, 22:03
here's the translated website
http://209.85.227.132/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=pl&tl=en&u=http://allegro.pl/item736858792_nowy_wojskowy_na miot_palatka_pol_torba_gratis_ r2.html&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&usg=ALkJrhjwi80jDxxgx3M-iyq6zb-HdH6I5Q
Bloody hell, I was only joking! Seems there is a niche for them though. I'll keep an eye out, if loads of them go out then it could be worth getting one just so I can team up with another wierdo bushcrafter and make a teepee in the woods! Yaaay!!
also, how long is that german folding mat? would like to know just how much space would be available
German folding mat is 190cm long.
If You want I can ask seller how much would shipping to UK cost and let you know.
Sorry, no way I can do a group buy - I'm not organised enough
lavrentyuk
24-09-2009, 00:05
Put me down for a group buy on this as well. I'm sure I could cut down a PP kit for the groundsheet.
Richard
Bushwhacker
24-09-2009, 09:38
Unless you've pitched your tent in a low spot, or on ground that's been so compacted that it won't percolate, it's usually not a problem. If it is, a trench can be scratched around the tent to divert the water.
Nah, doesn't do it for me.
I've slept in a Lavvu in the Arctic and can see how it works there, I don't see the need for one in the UK.
It's a nice idea and all that, but comes across as a bit gimmicky.
If anyone wants to try and get a GB going you're welcome to pick this up, I'm out though.
dean4442
24-09-2009, 13:56
This one on e bay looks the same to me but cheaper if anyone was interested. Item number 220485012026
with a free army canteeon!!
bushcraftsman
24-09-2009, 15:00
:( why's everyone opting out?
Nah, doesn't do it for me.
I've slept in a Lavvu in the Arctic and can see how it works there, I don't see the need for one in the UK.
It's a nice idea and all that, but comes across as a bit gimmicky.
Not sure what you think is "gimmicky", Lavvus or tents without floors. Both have been around for millennia. Lavvus are about as well suited to their environment as they can be, and tents without floors have many advantages over those that do.
:( why's everyone opting out?
I can do without the headache of sorting an overseas GB right now, maybe later but I'm taking a back seat on this one for now.
bushcraftsman
24-09-2009, 17:19
ah I see, is there anyone that would be able to organise this? Also just incase there is shall we make a list of people who are interested? just copy and paste the list:
People who are interested
-Bushcraftsman
-
i think they are very good for the £30 or so , what is not worth the money is the tentipi canvas tents, i have had one ,and although i find them very well made , i would not pesonally spend that money on a tent again.
bushcraftsman
24-09-2009, 17:37
How much are they? I didn't know what they were till i googled tentipi, they look like the real deal and look really good. why didnt you like it?
bushcraftsman
24-09-2009, 17:54
also gill, where did you get this polish lavuu from?
How much are they? I didn't know what they were till i googled tentipi, they look like the real deal and look really good. why didnt you like it?
the one i had was over a grand :eek: if i remember right.they are very good but not worth that kind of money to me now. i got the polish tipi thingy off ebay i got it for £34 .
bushcraftsman
24-09-2009, 18:28
:eek: jeez that's a lot of money for a tent! yes I know what you mean, it's going to have to be something pretty special for it to be worth that much!
And ok nice one, I read in a previous post you haven't used it yet, but have you had it set up in the garden or something for a play around :p if so...what do you think of it? and do you think it's worth it
German folding mat is 190cm long.
If You want I can ask seller how much would shipping to UK cost and let you know.
Please :puppy_dog
Bushwhacker
25-09-2009, 09:10
Not sure what you think is "gimmicky", Lavvus or tents without floors. Both have been around for millennia. Lavvus are about as well suited to their environment as they can be, and tents without floors have many advantages over those that do.
Yep, they've been around for donkeys, always been there.
An Egay advert is a perfect trap for a kit junky though - see a picture of something and 'monkey see, monkey want' - that's what I'm getting at with the gimmick thing. £40 odd for something that only costs £10 normally.
Besides, it's not a true Laavu because Laavu construction consists of several poles on the perimeter with the canvas wrapped around and a seperate cowl for enabling smoke extraction from an internal fire. This example is a bit of cloth propped up with a stick.
This seller in Germany sells the and takes paypal works out about £24 delivered to the UK ,
Good service and fast
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380161158580&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:e n
Twodogs
This seller in Germany sells the and takes paypal works out about £24 delivered to the UK ,
Good service and fast
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380161158580&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:e n
Twodogs
I've just ordered a couple from this link £36.74 for the pair including P&P.
So at about £18.50 each it's less than half the original UK ebay price
Thanks for the heads up Twodogs.
Let you know if they turn up :rolleyes:
I've just ordered a couple from this link £36.74 for the pair including P&P.
So at about £18.50 each it's less than half the original UK ebay price
Thanks for the heads up Twodogs.
Let you know if they turn up :rolleyes:
Is that for two tents or two ponchos to make one tent ?
I'm gonna feel a right numpty if these turn out to be a load of carp.
Then I might suggest we wait for those who have got them already to get theirs, try them out and then do a review of them.
I know Neil ( Nolightweight ) has one on the go down the valley this weekend and will post on his return ,
He sent me this piccy on Fritag ,
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv120/CLB-Twodogs/Image000.jpg
Twodogs
bushcraftsman
26-09-2009, 12:17
Sounds like a plan to me
My interpretation was that i have bought two tents, Though I don't spraken much German.;)
They appear to comprise (as you can see on the link) of the two halves, pole and pegs, per tent.
Keep you informed of delivery time and post some pics and a review when they arrive
bushcraftsman
26-09-2009, 12:53
Thanks SMOKOE look forward to seeing the review :)
nolightweight
29-09-2009, 08:50
Mornin' all.
As Twodogs posted. Just had three nights out in one of these over at SV.
I can honestly say that I really like this bit of kit.
It's not as heavy as you think. As for age; one half is 1976 dated, the other 1978. Never used, but obviously stored from that date.
The Modular Sleep System fits in perfect and I am quite a big guy. Plenty of room for kit also. No problems.
Goes together easy, and is easy to set up, using the poles provided. Simples.
Weather was fine, but as usual quite breezy/windy and chilly late night/early morning. In this, I never felt it.
I'm very happy with it. Got a couple of things to do on it but it's what I'll be taking to every meet over the Autumn/Winter.
Over to you folks.
bushcraftsman
29-09-2009, 09:11
Nice one! glad to hear you liked it. Any chance of some pics of you using it?
nolightweight
29-09-2009, 10:39
Here are a couple of pics of the kit in use
In use
http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss275/nolightweight/P9260118.jpg
After a bit of a tidy up
http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss275/nolightweight/P9270127.jpg
I like this one
http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss275/nolightweight/P9270133.jpg
Loads of space
http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss275/nolightweight/P9270144.jpg
Barn Owl
29-09-2009, 11:16
Nice one Neil.
I guess that answers the question of roominess if you can fit inside.
I've got one but haven't had it out yet.
Looking at the door flaps i'm thinking of making them velcro closing myself.
Was that on your mods list?
Tom.
Hoping to make the jamboree next month.
nolightweight
29-09-2009, 11:35
Cheers Tom.
Fuller review you know where. I've not decided on the velcro yet but I think that's the way forward.
I'll be fitting elastic loops in the peg holes to provide some side tension but that's about it.
Good gear mate; I'm happy with it.
Be nice to see you there mate.
It looks to be similar in size to a Golite Hex 3.
that looks a really good setup.. is it easy to put up... r they plenty of room for ur kit ... nice
Quarryman
29-09-2009, 18:26
I received one of these for my birthday recently and have now spent three nights in it, I love it:)
Nolightweight, I too pitched mine inside out the first time I used it lol
nolightweight
29-09-2009, 18:39
I'm not sure it is and I've been pondering that for a few hours now.
What do you base that on?
The reason I ask is that the UK eBay picture shows it the other way; the German eBay picture the way I did it.
The way I've done it there there is a 'pocket' for the pole to fit into, the other half cups over that.
I tried it the other way today and whilst pegging the rest out it came apart at the top.
Cheers for any info though.
ForgeCorvus
29-09-2009, 21:31
ah I see, is there anyone that would be able to organise this? Also just incase there is shall we make a list of people who are interested? just copy and paste the list:
People who are interested
-Bushcraftsman
-
People who are interested
-Bushcraftsman
ForgeCorvus (if its nearer to £20 then £40 delivered)
Asa Samuel
29-09-2009, 22:28
Does anyone have any pictures of the size of these when they are packed down?
Quarryman
29-09-2009, 22:37
I was mainly concerned with the arm holes(air vents), that the rain would go through easier one way than the other, and, having it the other way puts the draw cord on the inside which is ideal for hanging my candle lantern from. I think the pockets are reversible.
All that aside it is a superb bit of kit either way round :)
Atb Matt
nolightweight
29-09-2009, 22:46
Thanks for that Quarryman.
I don't know. I'll have another crack tomorrrow but it does seem confusing.
How did it work for you 'the other way'? It just gave way when I was pegging the rest out but I'll give it another go.
It's worth sorting this out because I feel (as do others) that it's good kit. I liked it first time out.
Very interested to hear your response.
Not tried the packing down method as yet; mine arrived boxed. Stay tuned; it's something I'm working on.
Jay.in.the.woods
30-09-2009, 16:20
like the look of these but got too much kit as it is, lol.
nolightweight
30-09-2009, 16:36
Very quick update on 'the right way round'
Yes it does seem to work either way (go figure) BUT the 'proper' way as Quarryman points out does (would) prevent rain dripping in.
Good call mate. Nice one.
I came to an arrangement with the guy who approached me on these last week, it's on its way apparently so we'll see how it goes next time I'm out.
bushcraftsman
30-09-2009, 17:06
So this looks like a good ol' piece of kit..now down to business....how do I get one? :D is someone organising a GB? or are we just going to get them ourselves?
So this looks like a good ol' piece of kit..now down to business....how do I get one? :D is someone organising a GB? or are we just going to get them ourselves?
If you'd be interested in this I can pass you some details ....
I now only have two tents left, one is perfect and the other has three minor ring marks (small stains) in the canvas where I think it has been folded over metal eyelets whilst in storage. Marks such as these are not unusual with these tents given the length of time they have been in storage.
I can direct sell you the perfect one for £35 + 7.50 p&p. Or if you prefer, I can do the other one for £30 + £7.50 p&p AND I will include a FREE Warsaw Pact waterproof back pack in which the tent will neatly fit worth £5.99. The tents normally come in their separate loose components, although I send them out bound in a roll with sturdy buckle straps
I've got the "perfect" at a reduced rate so there maybe some mileage in a barter. He didn't include the backpack with the lower price but I didn't want it anyway.
I can PM you his details if you're interested
bushcraftsman
30-09-2009, 18:22
Nolightweight....Do you think that if you were to suspend the top of the lavuu between two trees thus eliminating the need for the pole, there would be enough room for two? or would it be a squeeze?
Cheers
nolightweight
30-09-2009, 18:36
Nolightweight....Do you think that if you were to suspend the top of the lavuu between two trees thus eliminating the need for the pole, there would be enough room for two? or would it be a squeeze?
Cheers
I don't see any reason why it can't be modded in some way and suspended. It has been suggested to me on some other channels. To be honest I'm sticking with the pole for now as it didn't hinder me much and I don't want to rely on trees being in the right place and lines up for this one. That might change.
As for can you get two in; dependant on body size I don't see why not. It will be a squeeze though.
Nice one good to see it in use ,
Twodogs
bushcraftsman
30-09-2009, 18:50
Ok then thanks, don't really fancy having a cramped night sleep; ill just stick to using it alone.
Twodogs...is there any way you could get another one for £24? I'd be very interested in this..
Cheers
nolightweight
30-09-2009, 18:59
For those asking about packed down size; I've not spent too long working on that yet but I've got it rolled down to about 8" dia by 18" long.
HTH.
bushcraftsman
02-10-2009, 18:03
Does it not get cold because there is no ground sheet?
bushcraftsman
02-10-2009, 18:40
I've bought one!!!!! :D couldn't resist. £24.40...to those who are still wanting one there are 6 available
can't wait for it to arrive!
There was 9 the other night :D
Mines on its way too :cool:
Nolightweight....Do you think that if you were to suspend the top of the lavuu between two trees thus eliminating the need for the pole, there would be enough room for two? or would it be a squeeze?
Cheers
I got mine through today but I don't have a lawn so I've not set it up yet :rolleyes:
I did get some paperwork with mine though, it mentions that the "Zeltbahn" is a rain cape that doubles as half a tent. Therefore two soldiers can make themselves a two man tent, but only have to carry half the load. Two canvas halves and two packs of half height poles.
I reckon there's going to be plenty of room in them if they're made to cope with two squaddies plus gear.
I got mine through today but I don't have a lawn so I've not set it up yet :rolleyes:
Excuse to go out and play this weekend then Rich :)
Barn Owl
02-10-2009, 19:50
I used it last night in the pouring rain on an overnighter and I haven't proofed it yet.
No leaks,just the usual ingress if you touch the sides.
Pegs that come with it are rubbish,these need replaced.
I'm happy with it.
Need to mod the entrance to allow quick entry and egress though.
I'll be proofing it when dry.
Gill suggested a tin of water seal so I'll try that.
Tom.
Excuse to go out and play this weekend then Rich :)
I'm working both Saturday and Sunday night this week so it's looking more like next week, got plenty of brownie points in the bank so I reckon I'm good for it :)
nolightweight
03-10-2009, 00:23
I got mine through today but I don't have a lawn so I've not set it up yet :rolleyes:
I did get some paperwork with mine though, it mentions that the "Zeltbahn" is a rain cape that doubles as half a tent. Therefore two soldiers can make themselves a two man tent, but only have to carry half the load. Two canvas halves and two packs of half height poles.
I reckon there's going to be plenty of room in them if they're made to cope with two squaddies plus gear.
I'd be interested what paperwork you got with yours Shewie.
Two 'squaddies' plus gear is two squaddies plus gear in late '70's terms. Very simplistic and often out dated kit in the Eastern Bloc back in the day. Very well made in some cases but lacks the ergonomics of modern kit. Stacks of room for one plus kit by todays standard though.
As Barnowl said; good kit. I'm very happy and changing very little.
can someone confirm the cheapest place currently to get them?
I'd be interested what paperwork you got with yours Shewie.
It's just what looks like a photocopy of a hand written note. The English isn't very good but you get the just of it.
It also says the poles can sometimes be too long ? Have you found this Neil ?
I presume it's if the two halves have been used/stored differently, maybe if one was to shrink a little ?
nolightweight
03-10-2009, 12:18
Hi Rich.
Nof found that at all so far.
My halves are dated 1976 and '78. They both fit very well (I've attached both together completely along one side and 3 buttons down the other) and everything tucks in very nicely and very securely.
Not sure how/where these things might have been stored but apart from maybe slight discolouration due to storage they have never been issued. One half of mine still had the makers paper label!
The poles are aluminium and very light. One fits to the other to the other etc. Extremely simples.
HTH
Neil
I’ve just got one! First impressions are that it is a good thick cotton/canvas material and well made.
If I didn’t know otherwise I would have believed it if someone had told me it had been project designed by BCUK members.
The pegs as stated earlier are a bit lightweight but they would serve the purpose (just about) but I will replace them.
I have just put it up; pretty simple and very solid. There’s a good breeze going at the moment and the ‘tent’ barely has its canvas moving. It looks like it may rain soon so I’ll get a chance to rain test it too.
Initial thoughts; could use a walking pole in lieu of the aluminium poles supplied?
Make up a ground sheet and use/make a mosquito net for an inner…..I’ll try the DD camping hammock (in ground mode).
Er…one half would make a pretty good poncho..:o
bushcraftsman
03-10-2009, 13:01
I know I've asked this already but it got missed...Surely it will be very cold in there due to there being no ground sheet?
I know I've asked this already but it got missed...Surely it will be very cold in there due to there being no ground sheet?
I'm planning to use mine with a bivvy bag and a thermarest
nolightweight
03-10-2009, 13:14
Last weekend I used the MSS bivvi, patrol bag and a Eurohike inflating mat. No problems. Very comfy.
I folded my usual groundsheet (which is only the sheet from an IPK kit) last time but have since cut that down and to shape to fit half the tent (sleeping half) It should work well and cheap as frytki.
It's more for protecting the mat and bivvi than anything else really.
Work on it folks. Once you've got it sussed and got the drills down for how you store your kit and sleep system it should be happy days.
Neil
Barn Owl
03-10-2009, 13:55
I know I've asked this already but it got missed...Surely it will be very cold in there due to there being no ground sheet?
Use one half for sleeping with bivi bag and as stated thermarest or the like,use one of those waterproof picnic blankets on the other and you're pretty much sorted.
w00dsmoke
03-10-2009, 13:58
I have a Bison tinde with a groundsheet. the groundsheet is almost the same material as the IPK sheet. As an example of how versatile they are (IPK sheets), last winter I roofed my hut with one after the felt ripped and I needed an emergency repair. It's still on and hasn't degraded with uv yet, it's very tough stuff and would make an ideal groundsheet for one of these tents. (you can even sew the stuff with a sewing machine!).
WS
Does anybody know if this is the same? It has a different camouflage. It is also NVA stock.:confused:
http://www.militaria4you.com/index.php?content=http%3A//www.militaria4you.com/artikelen.details.php%3Fid%3D9 56
Btw the one on ebay are cheaper this one will be € 42.65 delivered
I know I've asked this already but it got missed...Surely it will be very cold in there due to there being no ground sheet?
It'll be warmer than tarp and bivi. Especially with a fire in front.
Ive got ideas for a stove inside, made from a small ammo box, and a mini chimney, for when car camping. ;)
I've got an ammo box if you need one Addo. ;)
bushcraftsman
03-10-2009, 19:59
if you do do that Addo, make sure and get some pics :P :D interested to see how that'd work. What would you make the chimney out of?
bushcraftsman
03-10-2009, 20:02
can someone confirm the cheapest place currently to get them?
This is the cheapest I've found;
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380161158580&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:e n
Hope this helps :)
This seller in Germany sells the and takes paypal works out about £24 delivered to the UK ,
Good service and fast
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380161158580&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:e n
Twodogs
Have just ordered one myself, still available for about £24! - now got to work out how to get it past the Mrs!!!!
bushcraftsman
03-10-2009, 21:50
This seller is going to be wondering where all this sudden interest in his product has come from:lmao: :nutkick:
Barn Owl
05-10-2009, 16:52
I've done mine with Thomsons water seal as suggested by Gill.
Water is beading off nicely.
packed to 15" x 5" at present.
bushcraftsman
06-10-2009, 20:55
How long did everyones take to arrive? I ordered mine off that german ebay guy on Friday....the anticipation is killing me!
Around 5 days for mine though German E-Bay Chap.
bushcraftsman
06-10-2009, 21:07
was that five days after order or five days after dispatch? mine was dispatched on Saturday...wonder when it will arrive :bluThinki
nolightweight
06-10-2009, 21:37
You'll have a lump at your door before too long mate.
Mine was about 3 days.
Worth the wait my friend....
what was the best price for one ...
I've done mine with Thomsons water seal as suggested by Gill.
As in the stuff you use on brickwork ?
Barn Owl
06-10-2009, 22:50
As in the stuff you use on brickwork ?
Yep,
You can use it on cotton.
Says so on the tin too (on the back).
Yep,
You can use it on cotton.
Says so on the tin too (on the back).
Cheers Tom, I'll nip down to Screwfix tomorrow and grab a tin.
w00dsmoke
06-10-2009, 23:26
I use Thomsons waterseal alot on my gear and I'll give you a wee tip.
Get an old plastic bucket and fill it with waterseal, then soak your garment in it for at least an hour making sure you stir and turn it over to get in all the creases etc, wring it out over the bucket and drip dry on a washing line, then once dry repeat the whole procedure once again. You'll find you'll use an aweful lot of the thomsons waterseal up but it really does the business. I've done everything from tents to poncho's and jackets in the stuff!
Good tip WS, thanks for that fella
was that five days after order or five days after dispatch? mine was dispatched on Saturday...wonder when it will arrive :bluThinki
Has yours arrived yet? ordered mine Saturday evening, and picked it up from the post office today - they did try to deliver it yesterday but we were both out at work, which is just as well really, seen as the mrs don't know anything about it! think i will wrap it up and put it under the tree for christmas, from our two year old daughter of course :)
hi all
i am looking at getting one of the german ebay guy but cannot tell if i need to order one or two to make the tipi do you get both sides if you order one
thanks
hi all
i am looking at getting one of the german ebay guy but cannot tell if i need to order one or two to make the tipi do you get both sides if you order one
thanks
You only need to order one - it comes packaged with both halves and two sets of poles and pegs, all you need to make the tent with.
Has anyone managed to squeeze a Fat Airic in one yet ?
man_of_tanith
10-10-2009, 15:45
the more i look at this thread the more i want one
i have two choices as i see it buy one or pluck my eyes out.
hmmmm decisions decisions
Sam
scrogger
10-10-2009, 15:52
Has anyone managed to squeeze a Fat Airic in one yet ?
:rolleyes:
I can see this is another thread thats going to bug me. So would these be big enough to have a yukon type fire in or are we talking human fireballs!!
And if they are big enough is Thompsons water seal flammable!!
I cant buy one of these I already skating on thin ice......:twak:
EDIT: Rich if end up buying one of these I think the wife will lynch you when she sees you next....
EDIT: Rich if end up buying one of these I think the wife will lynch you when she sees you next....
I'll pick you up at the end of your street next time then :)
All good kit though mate :D
Thinking about making a bag for mine, has anyone got any ideas as where i could find some similar material from??
bushcraftsman
10-10-2009, 23:38
I was thinking the same thing, so I did! :D I went down to the textiles department at school and stole a load of old canvas:approve: :buttkick: When I go back on Monday ill see if I can bag some more for you mate :D
Cheers Bushcraftsman, sounds like a plan to me :) spent ages searching the web for some last night, but couldn't find what i was looking for!
bushcraftsman
11-10-2009, 09:53
I can't promise it will be good stuff, the material is SIMILAR to that of cases the poles go in...but not the same. It's just all old rags that they don't want really. Never the less, I'll have a look for you :)
bushcraftsman
11-10-2009, 11:27
Going out to the woods today to give it it's first run in woodland and not just my back garden :D cant wait!!!!!!
Going out to the woods today to give it it's first run in woodland and not just my back garden :D cant wait!!!!!!
Take some pics please Jordan, the process of setting it up would be good ;)
I can't promise it will be good stuff, the material is SIMILAR to that of cases the poles go in...but not the same. It's just all old rags that they don't want really. Never the less, I'll have a look for you :)
As long as I can make something that will keep the tent together, and not look too out of place I'll be happy:)
Going out to the woods today to give it it's first run in woodland and not just my back garden :D cant wait!!!!!!
hope you have a fun trip
nolightweight
11-10-2009, 16:50
Would folk be interested on a 'mini tutorial' on this kit?
Got mine in two halves at the moment post waterproofing. If people are interested I can maybe do one tomorrow from set up to pack down. Now I've got the hang of it (and got the hang of photobucket) it shouldn't be a problem.
Up to you guys because I'll be doing it anyway. Just gauging interest.
Would folk be interested on a 'mini tutorial' on this kit?
Got mine in two halves at the moment post waterproofing. If people are interested I can maybe do one tomorrow from set up to pack down. Now I've got the hang of it (and got the hang of photobucket) it shouldn't be a problem.
Up to you guys because I'll be doing it anyway. Just gauging interest.
Can do for me Neil, I imagine it's not rocket science anyway but it'll still be good to see.
bushcraftsman
11-10-2009, 19:33
Take some pics please Jordan, the process of setting it up would be good ;)
Sorry Rich, I had already left before I had chance to read your post. Otherwise I would have.
everyone, if you want to see my day out:
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=590113#post59 0113
Nolightweight...thats a good idea, I was thinking of doing something like that but...i'll let you do the hard work :p :puppy_dog
I set mine up during the week when it rained quite heavily; one half was fine the other half started to soak up water; firstly in the stitching and then generally looking a bit wet all over on one half only; this eventually lead to a few drips. However I was keen to give the ‘new’ shelter a proper try and take it away this weekend.
I decided to try and ‘weather’ it to give it a chance to self-seal. In the few days I had left prior to my trip I made up some shock-cord loops for the eyelets and made up a simple ‘A’ frame to make it more roomy (I was going to a Field Archery shoot by car so didn’t mind the extra gear).
I made a simple loop from the apex of the ‘A’ frame and with a mini carabiner suspended the netting from a DD Travel hammock. I also scratched around and found a cheap thin plastic tarpaulin to act as a ground sheet for the remaining floor area.
I’ve just got home from my weekend away and here is how it went;
It rained Friday night and one side was still leaking; I used my poncho to cover my sleeping bag from the few drips that came in.
The ‘A’ frame certainly made the space more usable, but unless I can get some cheap telescopic poles (or use some suitable branches) I don’t think I’ll be carrying them. A standard walking pole works fine as a centre pole but will not be long/strong enough for part of an ‘A’ frame (you need poles approximately 1.95m/ 77” for this). It would be simple enough to make a loop to suspend it from a suitable branch if the opportunity arose.
The Travel hammock in ground-mode was fine (although not fully opened up in the confines of this shelter) and should have kept any unwanted wildlife away from my sleeping area.
I only used one of the new loops to pull the entrance flap across to the other half; I didn’t bother buttoning it up and it was fine; it didn’t leak.
Although my set up looked a bit ramshackle inside it worked well and I’m pleased with it.
I think this shelter is very adaptable. My next task is to proof the leaking half.
Sorry no photos.
Would folk be interested on a 'mini tutorial' on this kit?
Got mine in two halves at the moment post waterproofing. If people are interested I can maybe do one tomorrow from set up to pack down. Now I've got the hang of it (and got the hang of photobucket) it shouldn't be a problem.
Up to you guys because I'll be doing it anyway. Just gauging interest.
count me in on that, would be more than interested to see how it goes up before i get to try mine out
man_of_tanith
12-10-2009, 16:03
SNAP
that was my will power going! :)
just ordered one from the german seller who must be shocked at the sudden popularity of his stock from the UK.
should prove a useful bit of kit.
now to hope i am in when it is delivered and no one else is.
Sam
Mesquite
12-10-2009, 16:13
I must resist.... I must resist............
man_of_tanith
12-10-2009, 16:23
i managed to resist for best part of a month.
would of been easier if this thread hadnt kept coming to the top of kit chatter i must admit.
this site should come with a wealth warning
sam
i managed to resist for best part of a month.
would of been easier if this thread hadnt kept coming to the top of kit chatter i must admit.
sam
Yeah sorry about that Sam :o
nolightweight
12-10-2009, 16:50
As offered, I’ve been getting a few things on camera regarding these shelters.
Hope this helps the folks out there; any questions though just ask away.
The question arose about weight
http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss275/nolightweight/PA120159.jpg
If it isn’t clear on the picture it’s reading 3.6 kilos all up weight.
In the flesh it doesn’t feel that bad to be honest.
Here’s how to fit the halves together; ‘sandwiching’ one half between the other
http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss275/nolightweight/PA120145.jpg
http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss275/nolightweight/PA120148.jpg
I’ve fully buttoned one half to the other fully along one side; 3 buttons down on the ‘entrance’.
Works well that way for packing, erecting etc.
How the apex should look
http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss275/nolightweight/PA120149.jpg
http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss275/nolightweight/PA120150.jpg
How I set mine up is to peg out 3 points (it should be clear from the pictures which ones) ‘loosely’ while it is on the deck. As in just enough tension that it should stay upright whilst you peg the rest out
http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss275/nolightweight/PA120152.jpg
http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss275/nolightweight/PA120151.jpg
Once you peg the rest out the first 3 can be adjusted to suit
http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss275/nolightweight/PA120155.jpg
A couple of minutes and you are good to go
The question was raised about pack down size. I’ve had a bit of a mess about and regularly got it 17 to 18 inches long by 6 or 7 inches rolled (canvas only)
This is the whole lot; canvas pegs and poles in a couple of different carriers
Arktis Side Pocket
http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss275/nolightweight/PA120158.jpg
PLCE Side Pocket (on a 40 ltr patrol pack)
http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss275/nolightweight/PA120160.jpg
And strapped to the radio shelf on an Alice frame
http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss275/nolightweight/PA120161.jpg
The bag or cover that I’ve used there is just a PLCE side pocket liner. The whole lot fits perfect in there and they are really cheap to buy.
Simples.
Hope that helps folks.
Cheers for reading.
Neil
man_of_tanith
12-10-2009, 16:53
No need to apologise mate
I am weak when it comes to kit. Tho fortunately SWMBO is getting more into it all herself so i can get away with it more now.
:)
Sam
i really want one, but am going to have to wait until pay day!! rubbish...
As offered, I’ve been getting a few things on camera regarding these shelters.
Hope this helps the folks out there; any questions though just ask away.
Hope that helps folks.
Cheers for reading.
Neil
Very useful Neil, thanks for taking the time to put it together fella.
Still not had mine out for a play yet
Thanks for the photos Nolightweight, i like the look of the bag you have yours in, will have to have a bit of a search, as it could be a less expensive option than making one myself.
nolightweight
12-10-2009, 22:24
I got a couple a while back for not much dollar at all. Have a dig about.
I've moved away from PLCE a bit now so it was a quick and easy thing to have at hand for the review.
Works well though. I'll give it a go and see how it works out.
End of the day the whole lot will fit in a cut down trouser leg from a pair of old combats with a bit of modding. Simples.
Cheers for the positive comments though folks. Glad it helped.
End of the day the whole lot will fit in a cut down trouser leg from a pair of old combats with a bit of modding. Simples.
Cheers for the positive comments though folks. Glad it helped.
Cracking bags those, inkeeping with the old canvas too.:cool:
End of the day the whole lot will fit in a cut down trouser leg from a pair of old combats with a bit of modding. Simples.
Now thats a cracking idea! So wish I had thought of that one.
MartinK9
13-10-2009, 16:52
Now thats a cracking idea! So wish I had thought of that one.
Yeah, but nolightweight looks a right pillock at Meets with one long trouser leg and one short one:nutkick:
nolightweight
13-10-2009, 16:58
Yeah, but nolightweight looks a right pillock at Meets with one long trouser leg and one short one:nutkick:
At least I'd have to do something like that to look like one.
Some just have it naturally (gives thy the you know what)
MartinK9
13-10-2009, 17:02
At least I'd have to do something like that to look like one.
Some just have it naturally (gives thy the you know what)
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
At least I'd have to do something like that to look like one.
Some just have it naturally (gives thy the you know what)
Fifteen all :D
MartinK9
13-10-2009, 17:09
Fifteen all :D
I've given up, I don't want my guylines cut at the next Swift Valley Meet :lmao: :lmao:
I got a couple a while back for not much dollar at all. Have a dig about.
I've moved away from PLCE a bit now so it was a quick and easy thing to have at hand for the review.
Works well though. I'll give it a go and see how it works out.
End of the day the whole lot will fit in a cut down trouser leg from a pair of old combats with a bit of modding. Simples.
Cheers for the positive comments though folks. Glad it helped.
Managed to find some pouch liners on ebay, http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ARMY-SURPLUS-BERGEN-SIDE-POUCH-LINER-SAS-PARA-PLCE-G2_W0QQitemZ200368949232QQcmdZ ViewItemQQptZUK_Collectables_M ilitaria_LE?hash=item2ea6eb87f 0&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1262 and as you say not very expensive at all
I have another question (sorry Sam :))
Thompsons Water seal is naptha based I think, naptha being petroleum right ??
The reason I got the canvas shelter was so I could get a fire nice and close in winter, saturating it in a petrol based solution sounds like asking for trouble to me. I semi-witnessed a pair of permethrin soaked overalls spectacularly combust from a stray spark and it kind of got me thinking.
Just thought I'd mention it before something nasty happened that's all.
What do folk reckon ?
nolightweight
13-10-2009, 21:49
Can't answer for Thompsons Waterseal as I haven't seen what's written on the tin.
I used Fabsil which has been used for years and specifically for tents and the like.
Good sense, good drills and not allowing the 'stupid, sloppy, senseless' factor into your camp should do the job.
As for the white ash landing on Jordans set up (see his thread) it happens to my kit all the time and I used to be under a nylon basha.
Just my opinion. Let good sense, skills and drills keep you safe.
Neil.
w00dsmoke
13-10-2009, 22:41
I have another question (sorry Sam :))
Thompsons Water seal is naptha based I think, naptha being petroleum right ??
The reason I got the canvas shelter was so I could get a fire nice and close in winter, saturating it in a petrol based solution sounds like asking for trouble to me. I semi-witnessed a pair of permethrin soaked overalls spectacularly combust from a stray spark and it kind of got me thinking.
Just thought I'd mention it before something nasty happened that's all.
What do folk reckon ?
I'll check my tin tomorrow, but if it is, then surely the solvent is the carrier for the active ingredient and will evapourate off completely? I'm sure it must act in the same way as solvent based glues work, they carry the active ingredient to stop it setting and making it easier to apply then it evapourates off. I've used Thompsons waterseal for years on dpm's, tents and the like and I was around fires and stoves daily when I worked on my last big felling project and i never went up in a flash!:D
Put it this way I'm not inpressed by the commercial camping shop alternatives, overpirced and overrated and they see folk coming a mile a off to pay those daft prices! :rolleyes:
nolightweight
13-10-2009, 22:48
Horses for courses.
I went for Fabsil because I didn't happen to think about Waterseal at the time. I have, however, used Fabsil for years with no problems.
As long as the person using the kit stays dry; I can't see that it matters.
Personal choice.
bushcraftsman
13-10-2009, 23:00
I have yet another question regarding this tent, what are people going to be using to sleep in this tent? being exact. E.g im thinking, using an old DD 3x2 tarp as a ground sheet. ontop of which I am putting a Gelert single air matress (13 quid on ebay! + FREE P&P thats a bargain if you ask me, just thought id give you a heads up.) then ontop of that ill have in my sleeping bag a 3/4" foam mat, ontop of that mat a very thin double bed duvet, folded in half so that one half is below me the other ontop. Think i'll survive the cold ;) :D
EDIT:
Pic of airbed;
http://www.altimusonline.co.uk/images/Gelert_Full_Single_Box_Flock_A irBed.jpg
link to item:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160360573979&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
launditch1
13-10-2009, 23:02
I didnt know i wanted one of these until i saw this thread!:rolleyes: :D
I'll check my tin tomorrow, but if it is, then surely the solvent is the carrier for the active ingredient and will evapourate off completely? I'm sure it must act in the same way as solvent based glues work, they carry the active ingredient to stop it setting and making it easier to apply then it evapourates off. I've used Thompsons waterseal for years on dpm's, tents and the like and I was around fires and stoves daily when I worked on my last big felling project and i never went up in a flash!:D
That would make sense WS, it's good to hear you've been using it on field kit without any dramas. Just thought I'd mention it incase somebody got fireballed.
launditch1.... i want one too! just trying to find one on ebay, all the sellers mentioned seem to have sold out... funny that! :).....
bushcraftsman
13-10-2009, 23:18
here you go, this guy cheap as chips. Probably the cheapest one...and he has 6 left
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380163427307&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
hope this helps :D make sure and get yourself one ;) i imagine there is going to be a lot of people with these at the next meets :) and it's thanks to Shewie for pointing them out.
cheers
man_of_tanith
13-10-2009, 23:23
Shewie
No need to apologise mate i'm glad you asked about the water seal as i am very excitedly awaiting the delivery of mine and planned to use the waterseal on it.
even got a plan for taking it out to play too.
Sam
nolightweight
13-10-2009, 23:23
I just used an MSS bivvi bag, a Eurohike self inflater and the patrol (jungle) sleeping bag.
Had a poncho liner at hand but just used that as a pillow TBH.
I was perfectly happy with that at the last meet.
I have yet another question regarding this tent, what are people going to be using to sleep in this tent? being exact. E.g im thinking, using an old DD 3x2 tarp as a ground sheet. ontop of which I am putting a Gelert single air matress (13 quid on ebay! + FREE P&P thats a bargain if you ask me, just thought id give you a heads up.) then ontop of that ill have in my sleeping bag a 3/4" foam mat, ontop of that mat a very thin double bed duvet, folded in half so that one half is below me the other ontop. Think i'll survive the cold ;) :D
EDIT:
Pic of airbed;
http://www.altimusonline.co.uk/images/Gelert_Full_Single_Box_Flock_A irBed.jpg
link to item:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160360573979&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
B&M stores (my local one at least) are clearing them out at £6.99 got two last week for last weekends camp; they are just SO comfortable after using Thermarests for years.
Ditto!! After reading through this great thread I saw that I absolutely needed one and ordered it from the German gent via bushcraftsman's link. It arrived this morning after only 3 days wait so the supplier's done a sterling job.
Looking forward to trying it out soon and incorporating the tips that have been kindly contributed by the various posters. Looks like a very handy piece of kit, especially considering its cost - makes a nice ground-based alternative to my usual DD hammock/ Coccoon setup
mines in the post.... yippie!!! now, to find some waterproofer!!
lavrentyuk
16-10-2009, 23:25
Mine too. Planning on using it in North Wales over the winter.
Richard
man_of_tanith
17-10-2009, 09:52
mine was waiting for me when i got home from work yesterday which improved the day quite a bit :) off to get some water proofer today! already had it up in the garden to test it out. looks pretty good. few tweeks to do to it.
Sam
maybe someone should compile a list of the top tweaks.... :) lol
nolightweight
17-10-2009, 11:19
Good idea Logit
So far, all I've done is:
Put some stitches through all the buttons. A bit 'belt and braces' I know and takes a little time, but it gives me a little peace of mind that they aren't coming loose anytime soon.
Waterproofed it (hopefully)
Cut down a groundsheet from an IPK kit to fit the sleeping half.
Replaced the pegs.
I'm out with mine for 3 nights next week (can't wait for some woods time!) so I'll probably have some more ideas then and maybe added some mods in the field.
Toying with the idea of an internal frame....
Let's keep the ideas flowing folks. Happy days.
man_of_tanith
17-10-2009, 12:14
tweeks i have in mind
1 re sew buttons i agree with you nolightweight might be belt n braces but i shall be mightily irked if i loose some.
2 i want to figure out some way of shutting the doorway flaps easier than buttoning all the buttons possibly velcro? if only to make it easier to open/shut when answering the mindnight call of nature.
3 some way of maybe having a little stove in it.
Sam
nolightweight
17-10-2009, 13:26
The button closure is an issue I'm looking at to make it less fiddly (especially if given to a drop or two around the fire...)
Velcro is good. Would you stitch it on or use some sort of adhesive? I think Tom (Barnowl) was going along those lines.
I have also considered the BCMP method for late night relief...
man_of_tanith
17-10-2009, 13:38
BCMP whats that dare i ask?
I'm thinkin of using some sort of adhesive to secure the velcro as my needlework is a bit dubious at best of times
Sam
nolightweight
17-10-2009, 13:47
The first 3 are Bottle Clearly Marked. I think you can guess the last one.
It would take quite some stitching (my needle work makes Herr Doktor Frankenstein look like a seamstress) so adhesive might be the way.
I'm going to try a 'lacing' system/method when I get out with it next week. If it works as a trial I'll post it up.
The first 3 are Bottle Clearly Marked. I think you can guess the last one.
It would take quite some stitching (my needle work makes Herr Doktor Frankenstein look like a seamstress) so adhesive might be the way.
I'm going to try a 'lacing' system/method when I get out with it next week. If it works as a trial I'll post it up.
Im thinking zip :D
I mentioned this on an earlier post ; 'I only used one of the new loops to pull the entrance flap across to the other half; I didn’t bother buttoning it up and it was fine; it didn’t leak'.
i.e I've fitted shock cord loops to all the metal eyelets at the bottom of the shelter and then used two pegs at the entrance, this then secures each of the two edges against each other.
nolightweight
17-10-2009, 20:32
That's all I did on the first time out basha, and it worked fine.
Zip is a great way to go Addo. I just don't trust my sewing.
Bought mine from eBay too, (UK site, £19.99 so a little more expensive than some) but really pleased when it arrived!
Seems as new, claimed to be unissued and halves were dated '82 and '86!
Really good matched dark olive colour. I've used far worse canvas tents in my time and this looks excellent quality for the price. Can't wait to use it in a week or so! Hopefully I'll machine sew the arm flaps shut and sort out shock cords for guys and maybe door closure? The pegs are strange with a curve to them but I think I'll try them as is, they would appear to use a "cantilever" action to hold better. Already green duct taped the poles which deadens the brightness. Any other suggestions?:approve:
Nowhere near the size of my Hex3 though, good for 1, 1.5 or 2 at a pinch!
nolightweight
17-10-2009, 22:20
Got a fresh link to an eBay seller MikeE?
They are well built kit. They have never been issued in my opinion, certainly the ones that we are receiving now as released surplus. One half of mine still had a card label on!
Don't know about other folk but the oldest date on mine was 1976. You've got an '82 and '86 so logically they were manufactuing this kit for 10 years or more; and unissued so on a QM's shelf and stored for that time.
Warsaw Pact, cold war kit. Tough as possible, simples as possible.
You can mod this gear as much or as little as you want. I really like mine a lot.
Woods time in a few days and I'm looking forward to it with this kit.
Happy days with the thoughts and ideas folks. Nice one.
Mesquite
17-10-2009, 22:22
Got a fresh link to an eBay seller MikeE?
I'd be interested in that as well... my resolve is weakening fast in the light of temptation and such rave reviews :rolleyes:
eBay item number is 220494764727. I placed a bid of £19.99 and won, there is postage on top though, unfortunately. Still happy with cost and quality though. The supplier had more than one though!
Mesquite
17-10-2009, 23:10
Ruddy hell.... they've gone already as well :(
they are going fast.......
I might have missed it in the discussions, but has anyone thought about using a small firebox to heat the lavvu?
Mesquite
17-10-2009, 23:54
That's it, I give up..... I've gone and bought one :rolleyes: Just have to wait for it to be delivered now and figure out a good excuse for the wife as to why I needed it. I think the best one so far is it's all Shewies fault :D :lmao:
The guy has got 9 more for those at are interested. Here's the link (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Neues-Poln-Armeezelt-Poncho-2-Mann-Zelt-oliv_W0QQitemZ390106499816QQcm dZViewItemQQptZPolizei_Beh%C3% B6rden?hash=item5ad428cae8). He is going to be wondering why so many are being bought by folks from england all of a sudden.
figure out a good excuse for the wife as to why I needed it.
Still working on that one here too
nolightweight
18-10-2009, 10:23
they are going fast.......
I might have missed it in the discussions, but has anyone thought about using a small firebox to heat the lavvu?
There are one or two folk on here that have been looking at that option.
Any updates guys?
I am as well and been on the lookout for suitable 'bits' ;-)
I'm saving my decision for after the next meet when I've had a few more nights in it.
How about a honey stove ( or similer ) with a reflector in the door way that would give some heat and light into the tent.
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv120/CLB-Twodogs/PA080119.jpg
Twodogs
Mesquite
18-10-2009, 13:30
How about a honey stove ( or similer ) with a reflector in the door way that would give some heat and light into the tent.
Twodogs
I was thinking along those lines as well.
It wouldn't take much to heat it up and honey stoves do punch out a fair bit of heat. Only disadvantage is have to feed it continually
I'm wondering how long I'm going to hold out before I end up buying one.
A bit of lateral thinking...
If your using it car camping why not have a stove outside and feed a chimney through the arm holes, wrapping some fire blanket around the chimney where it goes through. This will provide heat by convection and radiation without having the worry of carbonmonoxide build up inside, after all a small volume teppee shouldn't require too much heat anyway.
You could always lag the chimney from stove to entry hole, with spare fireblanket, even the firebox itself to a great extent. Then you just need the stove ticking over, depending on the size of stove you may only need to refuel it every few hours.
I was thinking along those lines as well.
It wouldn't take much to heat it up and honey stoves do punch out a fair bit of heat. Only disadvantage is have to feed it continually
I'm going to try my hurricane lamp first as it kicks out a good bit of heat on the sly, I was toying with maybe bbq charcoal bricks or coal for the honey stove. Probably wouldn't take as much tending that way.
nolightweight
18-10-2009, 17:18
I like the Honey stove idea.
Going to dig about and try a few things at the meet this week and post what works well on here.
Good ideas though folks. Nice one.
MartinK9
18-10-2009, 17:23
I like the Honey stove idea.
Going to dig about and try a few things at the meet this week and post what works well on here.
Good ideas though folks. Nice one.
And if that don't work, I'll post-it your kit :D
Do you need to heat these little tents in UK temps? I use a gas or paraffin lantern in my Hex and they through out enough heat to take off the chill.
I won't use charcoal, after Hurricane Katrina a good few people died after using charcoal indoors during power failures.
finally bit the bullet and told the mrs about the tent that was packed in a box in the shed, so have been able to have a proper look at it, the two halves are dated 1980 and 1985.
not yet had a chance to put it up, will rectify that next weekend, but have noticed that one of the buttons is broken - not really a major problem though as i'm sure a spare can be 'found' from an old pair of combats (assuming the Mrs hasn't thrown them away already!)
I let the word Tent slip the other day. Mine was hiding too :D
"Tent...Tent...What tent :argue: :sulkoff:
i find it's best to be up front and honest with the misses and when she say's no just keep wearing her down every day...can i have a new tent,can i have a new tent,can i have a new tent,can i have a new tent,can i have a new tent :D mines on it's way :)
Bad drills, you need work out a deal system with your femm,
you want this , I want that ...deal done everyones happy ...lol
Twodogs
The deal I have with the wife is that my collecting and camping has zero impact on the household budget which is fine by me; I do a bit of buying and selling and everyone is happy.
So now if say a stove turns up and she asks how much I can tell her without fear of a beating because its paid for with my 'fiddle' money. In thirty years we have never had 'his and hers' money, just our pool of pay and its not fare on her to subsidise my pastimes.
which company carries the tent? with royal mail on strike, and i don't fancy a large round trip to go pick it up from a depot if i'm not in
which company carries the tent? with royal mail on strike, and i don't fancy a large round trip to go pick it up from a depot if i'm not in
Mine came Parcel Force, wasn't in when they delivered, but they did take it to a localish post office for me to collect.
lavrentyuk
20-10-2009, 21:43
Mine came today.
Compared to the photographs posted (much) earlier my sleeve buttons seem to be on the inside when erected so that the apex makes sense.
Can't wait to try it out, probably in late November when I am camping at Llanthony in South Wales.
1976 and 1985, looks unused. I also now see why they curve the pegs - so that they fit in the poles and the 'spring' keeps them in.
I wonder what other gear the old Warsaw Pact states had that we can access ?
Richard
Mine came Parcel Force, wasn't in when they delivered, but they did take it to a localish post office for me to collect.
thanks post office is 5 mins walk away. don't fancy a trip to leeds like i had to for sumert else :@
thanks post office is 5 mins walk away. don't fancy a trip to leeds like i had to for sumert else :@
Please don't hold it against me, should yours come by other means though!
local post office is also a very small sorting office... where i have to go before 12 cos some plank didn't knock this morning...
and i wont hold it against you :) you're too far away to catch ;)
local post office is also a very small sorting office... where i have to go before 12 cos some plank didn't knock this morning...
and i wont hold it against you :) you're too far away to catch ;)
I hate that! One of our regular postmen obviously finds it quicker to write out the "sorry we missed you, please come to the sorting office..." cards in advance, and not bother with that inconvenient knocking on the door and waiting for the customer nonsense. Just thought, maybe he doesn't even carry the items on his round? Once or twice I've rushed to the door, and shouted down the street after him, when he's done this trick. But he's had earphones in, and chooses to ignore me. Yes, I have complained.
Anyway, rant over. My Polish lavuu should be delivered (to work!) in the next couple of days. Keen to try it out, but just seen these through another thread...
http://www.scandinavianoutdoorstore.c om/en/teltat-ja-majoittuminen/laavut-ja-louteet/
went down after an hour and 1/2 (should be 2 hours) and low and behold if they aint waiting for me :) £24 ish is enough to pay, those others are far too pricey for me :)
Mesquite
21-10-2009, 17:54
Well mine has arrived. I was very surpised at how quick it got here, 4 days from ordering to arrival.
No hiding it from the wife as she went and collected it from the local post office for me. When I said it was a tent all she said was oh, right :rolleyes:
Got to go down to screwfix to get some waterseal to proof it and I'll give it a try out at Middlewood next weekend :D
Got to go down to screwfix to get some waterseal to proof it and I'll give it a try out at Middlewood next weekend :D
That makes at least two of us then. Just make sure you get in the right one at bed time won't you Steve :D
Mesquite
21-10-2009, 18:11
That makes at least two of us then. Just make sure you get in the right one at bed time won't you Steve :D
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: I could say the same to you Rich. Maybe we best not pitch too close to each other just to make sure :rolleyes:
Has anyone done any mods to the entrance seal? I've seen mention of velcro or zips and wondered how easy it was to do.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: I could say the same to you Rich. Maybe we best not pitch too close to each other just to make sure :rolleyes:
Has anyone done any mods to the entrance seal? I've seen mention of velcro or zips and wondered how easy it was to do.
For the moment im doing up the first 3 buttons properly, then overlapping the entrance parts by a few inches. But a zip with over-flap is on the cards, and that will be very easy.
Received mine today. Looks good, like most people one half is older than the other, but neither have been issued.
So does anyone have any instructions? I've looked at the pics in the thread, and it seems fairly straight forward. Anyone know what's the best thing to water proof it with, which will also be quite spark resistant? Would like to get some kind of ground sheet, but would like to use canvas if poss.
Mods wise I think a couple of ties to hold open the doors are a no brainer.
Looking forward to trying it out
local post office is also a very small sorting office... where i have to go before 12 cos some plank didn't knock this morning...
and i wont hold it against you :) you're too far away to catch ;)
went down after an hour and 1/2 (should be 2 hours) and low and behold if they aint waiting for me :) £24 ish is enough to pay, those others are far too pricey for me :)
So glad you got it ok :)
Have seen mention on here about some people replacing the pegs. after a trip to my local outdoors shop, there was too many different pegs to choose from!
so can i ask what type of peg you have replaced them with?
nolightweight
21-10-2009, 19:58
Just the steel wire pegs. 7" I think. I can't recall because I've had them ages.
HTH
You can't use Thompsons waterseal for canvas anymore, I phoned them on monday to ask this very thing and they use new ingredients which are not suitable for canvas anymore, it also no longer says canvas on the back of the tin...you maybe lucky and find a store that has old stocks of the original variety though
Mesquite
21-10-2009, 21:28
You can't use Thompsons waterseal for canvas anymore, I phoned them on monday to ask this very thing and they use new ingredients which are not suitable for canvas anymore, it also no longer says canvas on the back of the tin...you maybe lucky and find a store that has old stocks of the original variety though
Thanks for the headsup Redneck. Besides fabsil has anyone got any suggestions as to what else can be used?
So glad you got it ok :)
wasn't the tent though was a game, that would have just about squezed through the letterbox
Thanks for the headsup Redneck. Besides fabsil has anyone got any suggestions as to what else can be used?
what about Nikwax Cotton Proof (http://www.nikwax.com/en-gb/products/productdetail.php?productid=48&activityid=-1&itemid=-1&fabricid=-1) Steve, it's waterbased so would have thought spark proof and can be applied using a washing machine, i was thinking about doing each poncho seperately ?
If i get mine in time and can proof it hope to use it at middlewood too, maybe we could have our own mini reservation
Thanks for the headsup Redneck. Besides fabsil has anyone got any suggestions as to what else can be used?
I've got a coouple of small DIY shops near me which I'm going to try for some older Thompsons. If I manage to find any I'll let folk know.
Barn Owl
22-10-2009, 00:10
I haven't done anything to the entrance yet.
But if you do up the top 3 buttons then join the bottom eyelets with a peg,it keeps it closed quite well.
Worked for me in rain and after a few beers ;)
Badger74
22-10-2009, 10:59
I was in JTF in Leeds last night and they do 5 litre tins of another brand of sealer like Thompsons which is suitable for canvas at £9.99 exc VAT.
man_of_tanith
22-10-2009, 11:15
I used a wash in waterproofer i bought from soon to shut millets to do mine with.
did each poncho seperately in washing machine.
fingers crossed it has worked intend to use it this weekend.
Cheers
Sam
I was in JTF in Leeds last night and they do 5 litre tins of another brand of sealer like Thompsons which is suitable for canvas at £9.99 exc VAT.
What was it called??
Just found this, a homemade waterproofing for canvas, simple and cheap, now who's gonna be the first to try it?
http://www.makeyourown.net/canvas_waterproofing_solution. shtml
What was it called??
Just found this, a homemade waterproofing for canvas, simple and cheap, now who's gonna be the first to try it?
http://www.makeyourown.net/canvas_waterproofing_solution. shtml
Soya bean oil ? I've got a bottle of Blue Dragon soy sauce in the cupboard, will that do the trick ?
Mesquite
22-10-2009, 21:14
Soya bean oil ? I've got a bottle of Blue Dragon soy sauce in the cupboard, will that do the trick ?
Only if you're going to have stir fried poncho :D
Soya sauce is totally different to soya bean oil
Only if you're going to have stir fried poncho :D
Soya sauce is totally different to soya bean oil
only just cleaned the crap off my screen yesterday. and you to go and make me spill tea:rolleyes: this site should come with a health warning ;)
Badger74
22-10-2009, 21:27
Redneck, I think it was called Weatherseal or Weathersheild. Bought my tent today from the German supplier :)
Only if you're going to have stir fried poncho :D
Soya sauce is totally different to soya bean oil
Bah, I'll just save it for my chicken curry tomorrow then :D
I was in JTF in Leeds last night and they do 5 litre tins of another brand of sealer like Thompsons which is suitable for canvas at £9.99 exc VAT.
Where's JTF Badger ?
What was it called??
Just found this, a homemade waterproofing for canvas, simple and cheap, now who's gonna be the first to try it?
http://www.makeyourown.net/canvas_waterproofing_solution. shtml
Sounds good, bit like oil cloth. I think some folks add alum or similar to make fire resistant.
http://www.geocities.com/union_guard/oilcloth_and_painted_accouterm en.htm
http://www.codesmiths.com/shed/workshop/techniques/oilcloth/
Badger74
23-10-2009, 08:31
Shewie, JTF is at:
Gelderd Cross,
Gelderd Road,
Leeds,
LS12 6LG
Their website www.jtf-wholesale.co.uk
Shewie, JTF is at:
Gelderd Cross,
Gelderd Road,
Leeds,
LS12 6LG
Their website www.jtf-wholesale.co.uk (http://www.jtf-wholesale.co.uk)
Oh yes I know the one, is it trade only ? Do I need a card ?
Badger74
23-10-2009, 09:51
Yep, I'm afraid you do need a card but it is free to join. I've just looked at their website and it's the business that joins with named member cards. I used the company I work for but its in my wifes name! any more than that I would only be guessing.
MartinK9
26-10-2009, 00:35
Mini Poland at Swift Valley:
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3183/polishtentsetups.jpg
Hahahaha that a brilliant photo. Kit addicts ye!!! Still...i got me eye on one
Badger74
26-10-2009, 13:46
Some one has an idea and the rest follow like sheep!
Mines on its way:)
Improviser
27-10-2009, 07:06
Mini Poland at Swift Valley:
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3183/polishtentsetups.jpg
Ha ha love it!
I've just put an order in for two for me & bro in law so hoping for a similar pic if the meet in the ribble valley gets off the ground early next year, preferably with a bit of the white stuff about!
Dunno bout ba ba's Badger more like Lemmings :D
Mini Poland at Swift Valley:
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3183/polishtentsetups.jpg
how i wish mine was there too - along with me too of course :)
Woodsman Ross
27-10-2009, 09:42
I mentioned to a few of the guys at Achray at the weekend that I was bidding on ebay for one of these a few weeks ago but lost it in the last few seconds as usual.
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd291/Shewie01/polish.jpg
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd291/Shewie01/ploish2.jpg
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd291/Shewie01/polish3.jpg
Polish Army 2-man Canvas Bell Tent
Virtually NEW!!! Un-issued, never used!
Complete with sectional aluminium pole and pegs
Ideal for Camping, Fishing, Festivals, Scouts, Kids tent, etc
This genuine Polish Army Surplus tent is made from strong lightweight canvas. It comes in two halves which are attached together to form the tent using an aluminium 4-section centre pole and is easily erected in minutes.
Each half can also be used as a hooded rain cape/poncho (see photo). They have openings for arms, which double as tent air vents when closed.
The tent is listed as virtually new because it is un-issued and never used! It is superbly made and very strong. All in all, a very versatile quality product, which is to all intents and purposes new.
Only a very limited number available!!!!!!
Measurements: 2.5 metres diameter x 1.4 metres high
Weight: 3.4kg
Price £40 + £7.50 p&p
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260480591459&ssPageName=ADME:X:SCO:GB:1123
I'm not sure if the link will open for you as it's a "second chance" offer from the seller to my ebay account. If you're interested give me a shout and I'll pass his details over.
They look like a pretty good piece of kit for the money but I'm going to have to say no myself right now as I've over spent my bushy budget this month.
No connection just thought a few might be interested
It looks just a tad small to spend any amount of time in, just sayin.
Woodsman Ross
27-10-2009, 09:44
how i wish mine was there too - along with me too of course :)
Is this a camp out for midgets?
We have a couple large online military surplus stores here in the US, and I'm surprised they haven't picked up on these yet. I have French and East German zeltbahns, and am looking forward to trying these as well.
Andy2112
27-10-2009, 11:59
It looks just a tad small to spend any amount of time in, just sayin.
Well what you got to do is get a nice big 4x4.5 mtr tarp for an admin area and your sorted, or just get a 3x3 tarp for your own admin area. I've slept in mine at the Swift Valley meet last weekend and it was fine. All my gear was in there plus my full size self inflating mat, There is plenty of room in them, honest ;)
Is this a camp out for midgets?
How dare you call us midgets, lol :slap: Seriously though some of the lads are 6 foot plus and they had no trouble in these shelters.:rolleyes: :D
Or you can just go out and buy a 12 man tipi mate, horses for courses really.;) :cool:
Mines on the far left at the back in the picture btw. ;)
Mini Poland at Swift Valley:
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3183/polishtentsetups.jpg
Superb piccie :D
Took mine out for a play on Wallaby Island this week, well chuffed with it
Barn Owl
28-10-2009, 23:17
Making a tripod for it is going to be the way to go,makes it Tardis like;)
I was thinking about that too. Could also rig internal poles ( wigwam style) or even hoist from an overhead branch. How to secure the apex though?
Badger74
29-10-2009, 17:30
I'm chuffed as a very chuffed thing:) mines arrived and I nipped home and put it up. I will mess about with the stove and hope to sleep in it tomorrow night (all be it in the back garden).
Its arrived quicker from Germany than the Crusader Cup and Cooker from Durham.
Andy2112
29-10-2009, 17:42
I'm chuffed as a very chuffed thing:) mines arrived and I nipped home and put it up. I will mess about with the stove and hope to sleep in it tomorrow night (all be it in the back garden).
Its arrived quicker from Germany than the Crusader Cup and Cooker from Durham.
Take a torch in with you, even in the day they as black as coal inside, lol. They are just the dogs mate, brilliant bit of kit.
I was thinking about that too. Could also rig internal poles ( wigwam style) or even hoist from an overhead branch. How to secure the apex though?
3 internal poles are the way forward, give you much more usable room inside. Secure the apex with a rock in the pocket where the poles go then tie rope round the rock.