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3 internal poles are the way forward, give you much more usable room inside. Secure the apex with a rock in the pocket where the poles go then tie rope round the rock.
How do you set the top of the tripod to keep it all from poking through the fabric? I was thinking a Mr Sheen can lid (Plastic, negligible weight) would sit on top of the three poles perfectly stoping them falling apart and also prevent wear on the fabric, but as I didn't take a detailed look at the apex it may not be necessary.
Tripod outside, lash apex and hook onto the top of the tent.
How much waterproofer do you need for one of these tingies, and whats the best way to apply it?
Tripod outside, lash apex and hook onto the top of the tent.
How much waterproofer do you need for one of these tingies, and whats the best way to apply it?
They've put the tripods inside, it saves having to be lashed up and the tent modified. I don't know if everybody has waterproofed there's yet, I don't think anybody had any issues at SV with them and it rained a bit whilst we were there.
MartinK9
29-10-2009, 17:04
Lash three poles together:
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/18/polishtentsetups6.jpg
Place Shelter over poles, there is a space where the original pole goes - have 5 others stand around telling you your doing it wrong:
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/3001/polishtentsetups7.jpg
Spread out canvas and adjust pole angles - cut if required:
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6971/polishtentsetups10.jpg
Peg out and Taaaaaadaaaaaaaaa:
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/7940/polishtentsetups12.jpg
Badger74
29-10-2009, 17:07
As a quick aside, is loft insulation fire proof - i'm thinking of the stove chimney and including it as well as ADDO's external can idea.
Why not add a popper to join the two apexes and sew a loop on the top one?
slept out in the garden the other night and loved it...
im going out 2morrow night for the weekend in mine for a proper test. Going to use my UCO candle to keep me warm and snug!
1 question though, at the top there is two sleeves, do you put the pole in one of them, and then hook the other over the top ? thats what ive been doing.... is that right?
will give the external tripod a go too...
Barn Owl
29-10-2009, 17:28
slept out in the garden the other night and loved it...
im going out 2morrow night for the weekend in mine for a proper test. Going to use my UCO candle to keep me warm and snug!
1 question though, at the top there is two sleeves, do you put the pole in one of them, and then hook the other over the top ? thats what ive been doing.... is that right?
will give the external tripod a go too...
Yep,that's right.
nolightweight
29-10-2009, 19:59
Stepping in with a quick update.
The tripod works extremely well. I didn't do it at the last meet at SV but the two that did fed back that it worked great. Opens that small 'dead' space in the middle.
I'll be trying it myself with 3 Wilko extending clothes poles over the weekend and will post pics. Less than £10 and you have a great mod to an already great bit of kit. Weight wise it will be heavier; but short tab from wagon to pitch it won't be an issue.
Waterproofing. I did mine with Fabsil and it took about 1.5/1.75 ltrs brushed on.
At the meet we had a fair bit of the wet stuff but although I heard it on the canvas I had no leakage or seepage what so ever.
In fact; Tom (Barnowl) and myself did a tame test with a mug of water and it beaded off like something from Terminator 2!
Space wise. Don't let the dimensions fool you. There is plenty of room inside. I'm 6 foot and a chunk of ration eater. Full size inflating mat, MSS etc and kit? No problems at all.
Good stuff folks.
MartinK9
29-10-2009, 20:05
Snip -
Space wise. Don't let the dimensions fool you. There is plenty of room inside. I'm 6 foot and a chunk of ration eater. Full size inflating mat, MSS etc and kit? No problems at all.
You failed to mention your second tent for your cider:D
nolightweight
29-10-2009, 20:18
You failed to mention your second tent for your cider:D
One must keep ammunition supplies free from the perils of damp...
Ya kipper! (gives thy the you know what)
Another tip for waterproofing with either fabsil or waterseal.
Water down 1 part product to 1 part water. First stage to make it go further, and soak in better.
Then put into a hand pumped spray, I use an old mister from the garden centre. BTW the nickwax ones break very easyily, if used a second time.
Then spray onto fabic until it starts to wet out, then wipe in with a small damp kitchen sponge. Let dry for an hour or two and do again.
These stages along with the offer on at B&Q for a 1L tin for £4 ment the whole tent was done for under £3 with loads left for my canvas pack and other bits.
Badger, the insulation might stink a bit, and the outer can works great on its own. Mind you the posh flues are insulated with a type of rockwool, so someone might know if its suitable.
Has anyone figured out the best option for a ground sheet yet? This time of year there's a lot of moisture / dew rising out of the ground. I have normal plastic tarps but would prefer something a little more spark resistant. Would plain canvas do the job? What you you guys doing, just bivvy / survival bags, tarps or?...
nolightweight
29-10-2009, 20:41
I just used a cut down bit off an IPK kit at the last one. Mostly to just protect my bivvi bag etc.
Now I know how the tripod works out, I'll be expanding on the ideas...
Got to be good and comfy for the winter meets.
Barn Owl
29-10-2009, 20:42
Has anyone figured out the best option for a ground sheet yet? This time of year there's a lot of moisture / dew rising out of the ground. I have normal plastic tarps but would prefer something a little more spark resistant. Would plain canvas do the job? What you you guys doing, just bivvy / survival bags, tarps or?...
I use a bivi on top of an old basha or last week,the ipk cover.
On the other half of the centre pole I used one of those w/proof tartan picnic rugs.
I wasn't using fire of any kind inside though.
I'm not thinking fire inside either, eventually I'd like a stove in there, but for now I'm thinking entrance wide open, and a fire just out side.
nolightweight
29-10-2009, 21:00
You'll be surprised how warm these things are without any heating at all.
I used a pretty warm doss bag and a bivvi bag at the last meet and for the last couple of nights I didn't need to zip things up and still stayed toasty warm.
Warm air seems to generate in there and stay there. Entrance was only flapped over and not buttoned down. Felt no draft, breeze or anything.
bushcraftsman
29-10-2009, 22:03
Mini Poland at Swift Valley:
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3183/polishtentsetups.jpg
Haha thats a great picture...did anyone have any problems with the mini's when you were out?
Spikey DaPikey
30-10-2009, 07:12
Just a quick question......
Is anyone taking one of these to Middlemud this weekend? Would be interesting to see one in the flesh :)
Andy2112
30-10-2009, 09:33
Haha thats a great picture...did anyone have any problems with the mini's when you were out?
Tis a good pic mate, mine is on the far left at the top of the pic. The only problem i had, and it wasn't really a problem tbh was i did not proof mine beforehand, so it took a while to dry. There was a bit of condensation or seepage but it was minimal and not to think oh no bloody thing leaks. Tripod is the way forward imho. I would also just nick the button holes a bit because i found when it was wet they were difficult to do up. Overall a great bit of kit with loads of potential.
scubapauly
30-10-2009, 16:10
God this site is terrible. Just had to buy one too. Looking forward to playing in my local wood.
Damn you all ;)
sasquatch
30-10-2009, 16:17
[QUOTE=addo;596138]Another tip for waterproofing with either fabsil or waterseal.
Water down 1 part product to 1 part water. First stage to make it go further, and soak in better.
Then put into a hand pumped spray, I use an old mister from the garden centre. BTW the nickwax ones break very easyily, if used a second time.
Then spray onto fabic until it starts to wet out, then wipe in with a small damp kitchen sponge. Let dry for an hour or two and do again.
These stages along with the offer on at B&Q for a 1L tin for £4 ment the whole tent was done for under £3 with loads left for my canvas pack and other bits.
Great tip Addo! Just got myself a litre today, either I live too close to London or they saw me coming, I payed £8 for mine! I'm still walking funny but at least I'll have a dry lavvu...
Badger74
30-10-2009, 16:33
[QUOTE=sasquatch;596380
Great tip Addo! Just got myself a litre today, either I live too close to London or they saw me coming, I payed £8 for mine! I'm still walking funny but at least I'll have a dry lavvu...[/QUOTE]
If I was drinking, it would be all ove rthe keyboard now :)
tommy the cat
30-10-2009, 18:28
God this site is terrible. Just had to buy one too. Looking forward to playing in my local wood.
Damn you all ;)
Me toooooo! Doh!!!
Great service came in a few days ......what are you getting from B&Q for £4? Fabsil or waterseal? Haven't tried it up yet but looks like a flamin puzzle to me lol.
Will have a play when the weather is better.
Dave
Improviser
30-10-2009, 18:55
Dave[/QUOTE]......what are you getting from B&Q for £4? Fabsil or waterseal? Haven't tried it up yet but looks like a flamin puzzle to me lol.
Will have a play when the weather is better.
Exactly what im trying to sus :confused: . B+Q didnt have nowt for £4 today when i called, the Thompsons water seal was in stock ranging from £11.48 - £17.48 for 2.5 TO 5L.
A flamin puzzle indeed... probably will be if a spark from fire strayed on the Lavuu! :eek:
......what are you getting from B&Q for £4? Fabsil or waterseal?
I don't think it's waterseal as the current stuff can't be used on fabric now apparently
sasquatch
30-10-2009, 21:12
I don't think it's waterseal as the current stuff can't be used on fabric now apparently
I didn't go to B&Q, I went to a corner DIY shop and got a 1litre tin of Thompson's for £8. Must be old stock as it states on the tin it's suitable for canvas, happy days! I haven't used Fabsil before but when I looked online it cost a small fortune...now I just need me one of them pump misters. I took my lad out so I could set mine up yesterday and it took all of 2 minutes to put up. Great bit of kit as everyone knows, thanks to Nolightweight for taking the
plunge and posting the review!
tommy the cat
30-10-2009, 21:53
ok ta guessed waterseal I can get the old stuff but only in 5l what about nixwax cotton proof?
All the good stuff !
Ta D
Sorry for the confusion
It was Thompsons water seal that I got 1L for £4. They were old tins that looked past there best bit rusty on the base, but worked rearly well. They had plenty in but if nowt at your local store the own brand water seal in 5L containers worked out cheap per litre and you would have enough for many years of canvas kit use.
well what can i say, i spent this weekend in mine and i can honestly say it was fantastic. we had plenty of rain, flooding and gail force winds and it held out really well. I was well impressed.
It was noticeable, that one side was much more saturated than the other, and it was the side not facing the driving rain.
A couple of mods that im going to do:
Create some sort of lacing like old patrol tents for the entrance, i didn't even attempt to do the buttons up, i used a bit of para cord running through.
And get a decent thick ground sheet for the inside. I found that using my UCO multi candle hanging of the central pole kept the damp out.... lovely...
When it drys out, im going to play around with using one of my tarps to create a nice admin area, as getting ready and out (im a large framed guy) was a little difficult, but not impossible
well what can i say, i spent this weekend in mine and i can honestly say it was fantastic. we had plenty of rain, flooding and gail force winds and it held out really well. I was well impressed.
It was noticeable, that one side was much more saturated than the other, and it was the side not facing the driving rain.
A couple of mods that im going to do:
Create some sort of lacing like old patrol tents for the entrance, i didn't even attempt to do the buttons up, i used a bit of para cord running through.
And get a decent thick ground sheet for the inside. I found that using my UCO multi candle hanging of the central pole kept the damp out.... lovely...
When it drys out, im going to play around with using one of my tarps to create a nice admin area, as getting ready and out (im a large framed guy) was a little difficult, but not impossible
It's good to hear folk are getting on with them, it sounds like they're standing up to the best the british weather can throw at them too.
Mine's out for it's maiden trip in a few weeks on the west coast of Scotland hopefully.
Badger74
02-11-2009, 08:42
Apart from the back garden Friday night, mines going out in two weeks time whatever the weather.
nolightweight
02-11-2009, 14:46
Good feedback folks. Nice one.
Just been in the back garden to give the internal tripod method a go. No happy snaps I'm affraid but this is well simples.
3 extending clothes line poles from Wilkinson (Wilkos) £2.99 each
Measure against the side of the tent and adjust all three.
Using the hooks already there; use a decent sized cable tie and tie them together.
Roughly set up the tripod. Tent straight over the top.
Sort out the apex. Peg out and adjust as necessary.
Job done.
Happy days.
I noticed something on Rays show last night which was round the top of three poles for a fire tripod. It was before he did the demo on the withies but I can't remember what it was. I thought at the the time it would be ideal for the army tents but now I can't think what it could have been.
I saw one at Middlewood at the weekend which didn't look to have the centre pole in, there was nobody about though so I didn't want to stick my head in for a nosey
Mesquite
02-11-2009, 15:21
I saw one at Middlewood at the weekend which didn't look to have the centre pole in, there was nobody about though so I didn't want to stick my head in for a nosey
If it was this one then it was mine
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk151/mesquite_uk/PITCH1.jpg
I did the tripod out of wilko clothes poles. Need some adjusting as they sank into the ground but other than that they were fine, left me loads of room and I used a IPK sheet as a groundsheet.
Reason for the tarp as well was I'd seen the forecast and wanted a dry admin area :rolleyes:
MartinK9
02-11-2009, 16:49
Looking good Mesquite. :)
launditch1
02-11-2009, 17:04
Well,mines on its way as i write!I cant wait to play!!Keep the mods and ideas coming.I like the idea about a tripod inside instead of the central pole.
Gotta find me some waterproofing now...
Thanks you lot!:cussing: :D :D
scubapauly
02-11-2009, 18:34
Mines on its way too. Looking forward to figuring out how to set it up lol. I really like the tripod idea.
Got an eye out for some waterproofing just in case :)
God my wallet hates you lot ;)
tommy the cat
02-11-2009, 19:20
Had a wee play with mine today and like it!! Oh er missus.
Without the pole it would be excellent....gonna go down the pebble and ridge line idea when I have more time to play.
D
If it was this one then it was mine
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk151/mesquite_uk/PITCH1.jpg
That would explain why there was nobody about then Steve, otherwise occupied in a casualty ward somewhere ;) :p
Looks a good setup fella
Mesquite
02-11-2009, 20:47
That would explain why there was nobody about then Steve, otherwise occupied in a casualty ward somewhere ;) :p
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: More than likely :rolleyes:
Looks a good setup fella
Thanks, I was pretty comfortable :)
drewdunnrespect
04-11-2009, 17:11
yes it was shewie cos i was camped just a little bit further on from him and it were we started and nice to see you again mate
scubapauly
14-11-2009, 09:00
is it time to start a discussion on making stoves for these yet :)
is it time to start a discussion on making stoves for these yet :)
Yes. Crack on.
launditch1
14-11-2009, 10:51
..watch this space:D
is it time to start a discussion on making stoves for these yet :)
There's already a separate thread going...
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/newforum/showthread.php?t=46912
But might make sense to keep it all in one place?
..watch this space:D
exactly the man that can! :) was wondering when you would pop up with a stove suggestion ;) remember, im second on the list :)
Could you button 3 or 4 of them together to make a larger tent?
nolightweight
14-11-2009, 22:34
Good question.
Because of the way the halves are designed I don't think they can be.
Zeltbahns and the like are designed a little differently to this gear in some respects; similar yes, but these have been designed as a hooded poncho which I think prevents (if someone proves otherwise; nice one) using more than two as a viable well sealed shelter.
launditch1
14-11-2009, 23:44
Got mine in the post last week.Good bit of kit!Both halves were dated 1974 so they are a year older than me.Got me some Wilko's poles as well for the tripod type set-up.
Ive also found an old traditional type of hardware shop (remember those?)thats got a few cans of Thompsons waterseal,i was wondering what the best way is to go about proofing the tent.Spray/brush it on or immerse the the halves completly?
launditch1
14-11-2009, 23:47
exactly the man that can! :) was wondering when you would pop up with a stove suggestion ;) remember, im second on the list :)
Im now worrying about Co2 leakage..id hate to be responsible if it leaked..Its still on the drawing board at the moment.
Asa Samuel
15-11-2009, 13:11
If it was this one then it was mine
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk151/mesquite_uk/PITCH1.jpg
I did the tripod out of wilko clothes poles. Need some adjusting as they sank into the ground but other than that they were fine, left me loads of room and I used a IPK sheet as a groundsheet.
Reason for the tarp as well was I'd seen the forecast and wanted a dry admin area :rolleyes:
Very nice, is there a way you could put the feet of the tripod on the bottom of the tent? Like putting an eyelet in to slot it into? That would solve the sinking problem.
Mesquite
15-11-2009, 15:34
Very nice, is there a way you could put the feet of the tripod on the bottom of the tent? Like putting an eyelet in to slot it into? That would solve the sinking problem.
You could do that but it wasn't that much of a problem to deal with. I just pushed the ends into the ground til they were firm and adjusted to the new length required.
That's the advantage of using the adjustable clothes props, they extend up to about 8ft :D
You could do that but it wasn't that much of a problem to deal with. I just pushed the ends into the ground til they were firm and adjusted to the new length required.
That's the advantage of using the adjustable clothes props, they extend up to about 8ft :D
Do you still need to lash them together at the top Steve if you use the extending poles ?
Barn Owl
15-11-2009, 16:45
Easier if you do lash the poles together.
I've put rubber walking stick ferrules on the bottom of my poles,gives good purchase on drier ground but will still dig into softer.
As for co2, I reckon if you leave the bottom of the entrance open then that should allow the gas to escape as it sinks.
Have it fully open then no problem.
The tent should hold heat door open or not, if the source of heat is continious and it's not windy I reckon.
Try some of those co2 indicators when experimenting with stoves.
Mesquite
15-11-2009, 18:05
Do you still need to lash them together at the top Steve if you use the extending poles ?
As Tom said Rich, it's a lot easier to keep them lashed.
I did that first then measured them against one of the edges of the poncho (from peak to eyelet) to get a rough height. I spread them out into a tripod and put the ponchos over the tripod. I then pushed the poles into the ground so they were seated firmly. Once that was done I just extended the poles the little bit that was needed for final adjustment.
If the weather's decent tomorrow I'll get it out in the garden and take some pics for folks :)
I've put rubber walking stick ferrules on the bottom of my poles,gives good purchase on drier ground but will still dig into softer.
That's a good idea, I'll have to see if I can get some before next weekend
nolightweight
15-11-2009, 18:11
Good posts folks. Nice one.
I've just check my scotch-eyed auger and it fits the wilko poles perfect. I'm going to play around with some split logs with a recess in to take the poles on soft ground.
Has anybody tryed the cord from the apex to a tree yet?
doing away with poles all together
Twodogs
kawasemi
17-11-2009, 18:08
Just got a new one of these on ebay - £22.95 + post. So I guess prices are coming down on 'the bay'. Can't wait for it to arrive. The same guy has a grade 1 at £12.95 buy now (as of the date of this post) - Gregorymilitaria - 100% feedback etc.
Might be worth a look for any one interested
MartinK9
17-11-2009, 19:22
Has anybody tryed the cord from the apex to a tree yet?
doing away with poles all together
Twodogs
Might be one for Rough Close - I am sure Neil wont mind:naughty:
nolightweight
17-11-2009, 20:14
Might be one for Rough Close - I am sure Neil wont mind:naughty:
Volunteered; one pace forward... lol
Yep. I'll give it a go at the weekend all being well.
MartinK9
17-11-2009, 20:28
Volunteered; one pace forward... lol
Yep. I'll give it a go at the weekend all being well.
:lmao: Excellent:lmao:
ocean1975
18-11-2009, 18:19
Well after reading this thread with much interest i couldnt resist any more and brought one.I paid £19.99 including p&p from ebay so i am quite happy with that:) Now got to waterproof it ;) I feel like i followed like a sheep but could not help it. Baaa Baahhaa:)
RAPPLEBY2000
26-11-2009, 11:14
I think even I would be interested in that group buy!
f it's anything like the same quality or internal space as the US army pup tent I'd like one!
the cone shape should allow wind to flow past most of the tent, not sure I'd wear it though ;)
RAPPLEBY2000
26-11-2009, 11:21
erm...:(
I take it back, I just saw the photos and video of the size! it's tiny!
MartinK9
26-11-2009, 11:26
erm...:(
I take it back, I just saw the photos and video of the size! it's tiny!
Big enough for all your kit and a decent nights kip as many can attest to:)
erm...:(
I take it back, I just saw the photos and video of the size! it's tiny!
Where's the video Rich ?
RAPPLEBY2000
26-11-2009, 11:33
Big enough for all your kit and a decent nights kip as many can attest to:)
I'm 6ft tall and wider than I like!:o , still looks a nice tent though!
The video is on page 1,2 or 3 of the thread it has a link.
lavrentyuk
26-11-2009, 12:19
Used mine in anger this last weekend in Monmouthshire, near Llanthony. Heavy rain proved little problem for it, and no added waterproofer either. Canvas of that type shouldn't really need it after the first wetting anyway.
I am still tempted by the tripod suggestion though, just to eke out a bit more space. Of course then I may need to waterproof it as the poles will be touching the canvas inner !
A better cut groundsheet might also look a bit better than the oblong I chucked inside.
And if it can cope with last weekend I shall use it through the winter very happily. Perhaps the main advantage is the speed of erection. I hate messing about with poles on more complex tents, usually in the rain, whilst you and your kit get a soaking. With this you're in shelter in a few moments.
Next trial will be on Cader Idris, lets hope for some snow.
Richard
sasquatch
27-11-2009, 09:07
I used mine at Rough Close last weekend, there was plenty of the wet stuff and I haven't treated mine yet. I did the internal tripod and worried about water wicking in from the canvas sat on the poles... there were no issues at all. The only water in the tipi was from my boots on the groundsheet. Happy days.
I caved in and got one off ebay yesterday. Looks worth a try for a shade over £20 delivered.
Spikey DaPikey
27-11-2009, 12:48
I dont not need more kit, i dont need more kit, i dont need more kit...... :tapedshut
I dont not need more kit, i dont need more kit, i dont need more kit...... :tapedshut
You do need this tent, you do need this tent lol :)
scubapauly
27-11-2009, 21:16
I dont not need more kit, i dont need more kit, i dont need more kit...... :tapedshut
I started out like that. Mine arrived a few days later ;)
Mesquite
27-11-2009, 21:18
I started out like that. Mine arrived a few days later ;)
:lmao::lmao::lmao: same here
So many times I return to look at this. It won't be long....
andythecelt
27-11-2009, 22:40
I resisted for weeks! Then ordered one even though I'd already bought a solo tent for this winter. I've not had the chance for a proper play yet but it looks pretty tough, much stronger than any nylon tent and at a shade over 3 kilo I'll live with the weight for weekenders. I'd imagine that with the low internal height a couple of candle lanterns will keep it toasty. I should be taking it out next weekend for a real trial. It still seems unnatural hoping for serious cold when camping though!
They look way too small? Better off with a Vango Juno 300?
John Fenna
27-11-2009, 22:58
At the same price?
At the same price?
£30 delivered John.
http://www.bootmooch.co.uk/gear/vango/juno-tepee-300/?gclid=CI_JitqErZ4CFVeY2AodiRm VlA
Dougster
28-11-2009, 09:15
Juno looks like a back garden tent tho'.
scott mcmillan
28-11-2009, 10:03
if you go for getting some could i have i too please
I’ll probably go to Poland in few weeks time. I can buy few of these and bring them over if anyone is interested. It would be cheaper than what you pay for it here.
Juno looks like a back garden tent tho'.
My 800 stood up to heavy wind and rain recently Dougster, good side guylines and as I sure you read on BB, they will take some poor weather.
Canvas will be more spark resistant though, if you want to have a fire near to, or even in the tent (stove)
Canvas will be more spark resistant though, if you want to have a fire near to, or even in the tent (stove)
I use a Heatpal marine alcohol heater/stove or paraffin heater in the Juno 800, my Hex 3 is heated really well with just a small gas lantern in winter. No way I'd have any type of open fire in the little Polish jobbies, an accident waiting to happen there. Plus I don't just camp in the woods so don't use fires always.
I use a Heatpal marine alcohol heater/stove or paraffin heater in the Juno 800, my Hex 3 is heated really well with just a small gas lantern in winter. No way I'd have any type of open fire in the little Polish jobbies, an accident waiting to happen there. Plus I don't just camp in the woods so don't use fires always.
Fair enough mate. I wasn't suggesting an open fire in the tent of course. Presumeably you could potentially have Carbon Monoxcide problems with your stoves too, if not used correctly?
Fair enough mate. I wasn't suggesting an open fire in the tent of course. Presumeably you could potentially have Carbon Monoxcide problems with your stoves too, if not used correctly?
Potentialy you could, but the tent is well ventilated. The Heatpal holds the fuel in a wad of fibre so if knocked over you won't get a spill.
Please don't think I'm knocking these Polish set ups, I'm not; far from it in fact as its refreshing to see cheap kit being well used. But, I do worry about some of the proposed woodburners I've seen that are or may be used in such a small tent. As I said in an earlier post my Hex which is a bit bigger stays warm enough in UK winters with just the heat off a lantern and really if your kit is up to the job you don't need a heated tent in this country at all.
I'm considering a stove as I camp in Sweden and Norway a couple of times a year, and fancy being able to extend my "season". A small tent would need a very small stove, and I am prepared to accept it migh not work out in the end.
drewdunnrespect
28-11-2009, 17:49
hiya guys
maybe i am searching for the rong thing but cant find any of of the orginal polish army tents on ebay can some one help me
secondly Mr shewie just so you know if my parents threaten me with a lynching for ordering this tent i will be sending them your way lol
drew
I'm considering a stove as I camp in Sweden and Norway a couple of times a year, and fancy being able to extend my "season". A small tent would need a very small stove, and I am prepared to accept it migh not work out in the end.
When you say stove, do you mean a wood burner?
As a younger person my only 'cold weather' camping was North Wales in winter, and it never crossed our (hillwalkers/climbers) minds to heat a tent. Sure, we would use a Primus stove in the tent to cook food, candles were often the light source, so there would be some background short lived heat, but we relied on our sleeping bags and perhaps clothing to keep us warm. The same applies to high altitude climbers and Antarctic teams today, no real dedicated heaters just good kit, some heat from a non wood burning stove while you cook and eat and then get snug for the night.
Tent heating certainly in the UK is a luxury and one I have now embraced but please be so careful using wood burning stoves (any stoves for that matter) in a tiny tent like these Polish jobs, I'm not having a downer on them, not stirring the pot, but I really am worried about some poor bugger getting a nasty burn.
For what they cost I'll get one myself, but to be honest I'm a bit of a tent whore:rolleyes:
Thanks for the advice Richard, your concerns are very valid ones. I've done quote a lot of winter camping over the years in the UK, and as you say always managed without heating the tent. Now I'm a little older though (mid 40's), I find camp comfort more of an important issue. Wouldn't want anyone to put themselves in danger though.
Davey569
28-11-2009, 19:47
Ive recently finished making a stove for my argos tipi. I used an old ammo box and it works really well. carbon monoxide shouldnt build up too much anyway especially in my tipi as it has vents on the sides and roof. if you make sure theres a way of getting fresh air in then you will have no problems and it really wont effect the temperature as a small stove will heat up one of those tents nicely not forgetting its a great way to cook. :D
Ive recently finished making a stove for my argos tipi. I used an old ammo box and it works really well. carbon monoxide shouldnt build up too much anyway especially in my tipi as it has vents on the sides and roof. if you make sure theres a way of getting fresh air in then you will have no problems and it really wont effect the temperature as a small stove will heat up one of those tents nicely not forgetting its a great way to cook. :D
But I would be very cautious in a synthetic tent, fire risk is of course much greater.
Have you thought about about a battery operated Carbon Monoxide alarm?
Davey569
28-11-2009, 19:57
But I would be very cautious in a synthetic tent, fire risk is of course much greater.
Have you thought about about a battery operated Carbon Monoxide alarm?
No, Ive no worries with it at all. I dont burn on it during the night I just let it warm up the tipi before I go to sleep and let the embers die down. The door is never properly closed anyway as I alwayso have it open a little. :)
Spikey DaPikey
28-11-2009, 20:05
I’ll probably go to Poland in few weeks time. I can buy few of these and bring them over if anyone is interested. It would be cheaper than what you pay for it here.
OK, i'm interested, just dont tell my Womble OK ? :cool: :D
But I would be very cautious in a synthetic tent, fire risk is of course much greater.
Have you thought about about a battery operated Carbon Monoxide alarm?
Why much greater?
deenewcastle
28-11-2009, 22:27
At Davey569 (sounds like a military tag that :) ) -
How have you found the Argos Tipi? I bought one as I couldn't afford the really nice one I wanted, and ended up with two of them :confused: I don't yet know whether or not to try them out as they are, or do some sort of conversion :dunno: Am thinking of either adding a skirt to make a Bell Tent, or to take out a bit off each side to give steeper sides? Have you used yours much?
Davey569
29-11-2009, 10:49
At Davey569 (sounds like a military tag that :) ) -
How have you found the Argos Tipi? I bought one as I couldn't afford the really nice one I wanted, and ended up with two of them :confused: I don't yet know whether or not to try them out as they are, or do some sort of conversion :dunno: Am thinking of either adding a skirt to make a Bell Tent, or to take out a bit off each side to give steeper sides? Have you used yours much?
I have had no problems with mine what so ever. Alot of people have been complaining about them leaking but the only thing i can find this to be is condensation running down the tent and collecting on the seams. This is a single layer tent though and condensation it to be expected.
What I have done which allows the water to evaporate easier is to cut out the netting in the top of the tipi underneath the hood. Not only does this help with condensation its where the flue comes out for the stove :D
So for me the argos tipi is great. I reccomend you try it first and give it a spray with the hose to see if it does leak, and if it does its no big deal just get some wash in tent proofing and some seam sealant. If you feel like modding it in anyway go for it! Its your kit to do with it what you like. Its all personal preference.
Hope this helps! :)
deenewcastle
29-11-2009, 11:13
Thanks for that Davey :) I haven't been out in mine yet, but had read loads of negative reviews after it had been received. My first one had a few lines missing, and when I complained to the seller, they sent a new one to make up the defects, which is how I ended up with two. I had thought about making a lightweight 'hanging' inner to resolve the condensation problems, but am really interested in your use of a stove in situ :Wow: What do you use?
Davey569
29-11-2009, 11:16
What do you use?
Homemade out of an old ammo box. Im setting it up later as I want to practise cooking Ill get some decent (well half decent) pics of it and post them up as a thread. ;)
Spikey, sure no problem.
I will keep you posted.
I’ll probably go to Poland in few weeks time. I can buy few of these and bring them over if anyone is interested. It would be cheaper than what you pay for it here.
I'd like one too if I may and you are able. Thanks.
I’ll probably go to Poland in few weeks time. I can buy few of these and bring them over if anyone is interested. It would be cheaper than what you pay for it here.
me too :)..
All folks that are interested in buying PM me so I know how many I have to buy.
As I'm limited on luggage I can carry with me, it would be on first come first served basis.
They come in black or green, and 3 different sizes depending on height of the soldier.
S1 – 160-170cm
S2 – 170-180cm
S3 – 180-190cm
I guess, the bigger the better, but can’t promise what sizes would be available.
Another one bites the dust, mines on its way from ebayland.
The wife already thinks I'm crazy :-)
Probably a long shot but since they're turning up in Germany, anyone know if they're selling cheap in Berlin anywhere as I'll be there next week? TA
squantrill
30-11-2009, 20:24
You only need to order one - it comes packaged with both halves and two sets of poles and pegs, all you need to make the tent with.
Bugger that means I just bought two!! grrr
I don't think you'll have any trouble selling it on. :-)
andyross
01-12-2009, 16:58
These look like a great find. Does anyone know where I can get a pair (1 tent) from. I have looked on Ebay with no luck. Any info would be appreciated.
Cheers Andy
I've ordered mine from a german ebayer called wwwmilitariaworldde - it hasn't arrived yet, so i can't vouch for the seller at all, but that's where I've ordered it from.
You might have to tinker with your settings to get results from other countries. Also, the german for polish army tent is 'poln armeezelt'.
Cheers
Glyn.
Mesquite
01-12-2009, 17:13
These look like a great find. Does anyone know where I can get a pair (1 tent) from. I have looked on Ebay with no luck. Any info would be appreciated.
Cheers Andy
I got mine off of Ebay.de. The seller has several up for offer both buy it now and auction.
Here's the link (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Neues-Poln-Armeezelt-Poncho-2-Mann-Zelt-oliv_W0QQitemZ330381655667QQcm dZViewItemQQptZPolizei_Beh%C3% B6rden?hash=item4cec47fe73) for the BIN one and here's the link (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Neues-Poln-Armeezelt-2-Mann-Zelt-oliv-Kinderzelt_W0QQitemZ3801805954 36QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPolizei_B eh%C3%B6rden?hash=item58848782 ec) for the auction one. You can choose which you go for :)
andyross
01-12-2009, 20:55
Thanks fella's :)
Tubbyfraser
01-12-2009, 21:28
Got mine today from the 'bay. Great service from the seller and the whole thing looks really good. Gonna have a play termorrow!
Graeme
Thanks for that, will investigate:)
I ordered mine on Monday, and it arrived today, Sterling service, despite the exchange rate being atrocious.
It buttoned together easy enough, but it'll be the weekend before I can have a proper play.
One thing I'm struggling with is getting it packed up nice and small, so may I ask how you folks do it?
Cheers
Glyn
Mines folded into an 18" wide strip and then rolled up with the poles in the centre, a couple of leather straps hold it together then.
squantrill
03-12-2009, 21:02
Bugger that means I just bought two!! grrr
Yep it arrived today or should I say They!!!! arrived.
even my wife said... Why do you need two tents for ;)
I got to thinking if I strap them all together I can probably get a pyramid thing going more real estate to get my christmas swag in to!!
Dooh ;)
There'll be none left in poland at this rate!
Should get my stove soon :campfire:
Badger74
04-12-2009, 09:16
My plan if it comes off, is to go away this weekend and to try it with my stove. The bulk needs considering because I need to walk in to my proposed location.
What stoves are you guys planning on using?
Badger74
04-12-2009, 10:57
This is the type I'm planning on using, copied blatently from Pubs design,
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34143
This is the type I'm planning on using, copied blatently from Pubs design,
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34143
I like the small one gallon one
I'd love a wee stove in mine, but I'm terrified of excess CO/CO2 and not sure it's worth the risk in relatively mild weather - this is mostly due to my own ignorance though, I'm sure they're safe if you know what you're doing.
I think I'll get a rivet gun and a safety can opener anyway, as it's the sort of thing I'd love to make, even if I only use it out in the open.
Sounds like a good excuse to buy one (or more)of those mini-kegs :)
Battery operated CO alarm?
Cheers, I'll look into that, it'd put my mind at rest.
I'm thinking something like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTt7I8n8gy4
with a tin can chimney :-)
lavrentyuk
04-12-2009, 19:19
I figure that with that size I am going to try an UCO candle lantern first, just to take the edge off and keep condensation at bay. I can cook on any one of lots of stoves - usuolly the Swedish Army Trangia. There must be plenty of air leaks to counter the CO2 build up from a single candle.
Richard
i have used my UCO a few times, seems to do the job.... im off 2morrow for a weekend in mine :) will get some photos.... promice!
squantrill
06-12-2009, 18:48
Ok I put mine up today it was raining quite hard so I thought I would put it up in the garden and see how it performed. So I packed up the swiss army trangia the bushlight candle lantern my son and the tent.
We got out side and put it up (my sons 3 he did help by holding the pegs ;) )
Anyhow found it a bit fiddly getting the pole to stay together but finally got it standing straight and looked fairly good.
I found it a bit difficult to open up and shut the flap deciding on using the button down three buttons and flap at the bottom method. I think a velco mod or a zip mod is required here..
Ok water test..the outside appeared to be beading water very well however an hour and a half in to the rain the seams were seeping on the inside and there was also leaks from the material on one half of the tent, so I think that it needs water proofing before using it for real.
I fired up the candle as it is pitch black inside!! not used to that I usually use a hammock or tarp!..
Anyhow I then got a brew on fired up the stove soon the tent was like a sauna!! I was thinking about a small wood burner for the winter but I really think this tent is way to small for that! The meths burner brought the temperature up so much that the small size required for the wood burner means you would be filling it up every 4 minutes ;)
On the whole it looks useable, I will op for the bivy bag and sleep mat method, I will also look at a A frame as the pole is right in the way. This is definalty a 1 person tent the two of us and a stove and there was not much space left over.
Over all for the price its a good option for winter camping, it gets heavy when wet and needs to be wet proofed will I use it yes I think I will..
These look interesting but fortunately I don't need one at the moment so am not tempted to spend money;)
I did buy one of the Argos 2-man tipis last year as a cheap way of trying a tipi style. I liked it but did find it a bit small. Lots of space in terms of area but the sloping walls meant that head and foot were close to touching the tent. The argos tipi had an extra bit of material round the bottom that was like a snow skirt. By putting a tin can under the pole and allowing the skirt to extend the walls I was able to pitch it about 4 inches higher. This made a big difference to the internal space and meant I wasn't in danger of touching the sides when sleeping.
I notice that people on this thread have said that the polich tent is a bit small. A simple mod would be to sew and strip of material round the bottom edge and use a longer pole and turn it into a mini bell tent. Also going back to the argos tipi, it has guys coming of the seams a couple of foot up. Pegging these out not just backs it stronger and reduces wind flap but again by pulling out the wall a bit increases internal space.
Looking at the photos of the polish tents it looks like with a couple of simple mods they could be improved and turned into a nice base tent.
To all guys who asked me to buy Polish army tents, I just ordered them today. As requested they are large size in dark green. I have manage to get them with 3 section centre pole which are slightly shorter than 2 sections one and believe would be easier to pack.
I’ll be back in London on 30th. Can start sending them away very same day as long as I have all addresses.
I've found something similar - German issue two halves that clip together: http://www.essexsurplus.com/campingtents.htm Flecktarn Bivi tent.
After missing each other at Xmas time for payment and delivery details, and then some messing about on behalf of Royal Mail, the tent was delivered today (a sunday) after I had a whinge up at them.
It's brill. I did the usual thing and put it up first the obvious way (which is wrong) with the pocket buttons on the inside (Doh!) My halves are dated 1976 and 1984, one with the stock label still attached. It has the 3 section poles which do the job nicely but a walking pole does too.
It's now weathering in the garden and will be weatherproofed in a few days time. Just posting really to say a big thanks to Jambowl goodjob :You_Rock_
Spikey DaPikey
18-01-2010, 11:07
Thanks to Jambowl as well :You_Rock_
Used mine this weekend gone, and it was just right for me and my kit ! Damn its dark inside LOL ! Great for sleeping in the day :)
Mine has the three section poles as well, and does pack nice and small. Its also a warm tent with a candle lantern.
I also thought of getting some extra fabric and making a mini bell tent, but as i'm a lazy bugger, it'll most likely never happen :o
Cheers :)
Hey Spike, that's a top idea. I'll never get to do that but the idea's a good one.
Spikey DaPikey
18-01-2010, 12:01
Cheers :). . .
Native Nathan
18-01-2010, 13:31
If there is any more on the go, I'm interested.....
Or Jambowl if someone fails to claim there's let me know and ill have it
Just watersealed mine. As per everything in the 80s quality went downhill! The 70s side I had a job to do it as the waterseal just beaded off without some vigorous scrubbing but on the 80s side in went straight in!
Seems the former Eastern Bloc had quality control problems in the 80s as well!
aah, I was just about to ask about waterproofing before i dropped the cash on nikwax (or whatever).
What waterproofing agents, and how much of them, did you chaps use?
Cheers,
Glyn.
Asked this before I think, but what are you all using for ground sheets? A made to measure bit of rubberised canvas would be nice or?...
Mesquite
18-01-2010, 19:52
Asked this before I think, but what are you all using for ground sheets? A made to measure bit of rubberised canvas would be nice or?...
I used an IPK sheet.
Spikey DaPikey
18-01-2010, 19:53
I used the sheet from an IPK, but i may use the tub floor from an old dome tent i have knocking about...
I used an IPK sheet.
Don't have one, but may be should get one. How does the size work out?
Mesquite
18-01-2010, 19:58
Don't have one, but may be should get one. How does the size work out?
It's narrower than the footprint of the lavvu but a lot longer so you can cut it to fit the whole base or just cover where you sleep
Has anyone yet ( I really need to get one.. ) extended the dimensions of this Tent by purchasing an extra one and extending the 'skirt' (?!) of the tent? So that would increase the foot print size inside?
Just wondering if anyone has done that yet?
I used the OLD Thompsons waterseal (new one is no good for canvas) and have used 2 litres giving it a VERY good couple of coats.
Cheers widu13,
I might have trouble getting hold of the old thomsons though :(
Has anyone yet ( I really need to get one.. ) extended the dimensions of this Tent by purchasing an extra one and extending the 'skirt' (?!) of the tent? So that would increase the foot print size inside?
Just wondering if anyone has done that yet?
I'm not sure the geometry of that would work out i.e you would need extra height as well as extra girth.
I'm not sure the geometry of that would work out i.e you would need extra height as well as extra girth.
Yes , you would , but as it only a pole ( as far as i'm aware ) or a tripod , it shouldn't make a difference should it? If you extend a cone shape , the angle remain the same while the base size increases?
So longer, poles or tripod = Bigger tent.
Or am i missing something?
Yes , you would , but as it only a pole ( as far as i'm aware ) or a tripod , it shouldn't make a difference should it? If you extend a cone shape , the angle remain the same while the base size increases?
Or am i missing something?
No that's right, but you wouldn't be able to just button in the extra sections, you would need to get the sewing machine out and extend all around the bottom too. Perhaps that's what you have in mind though?
I used the OLD Thompsons waterseal (new one is no good for canvas) and have used 2 litres giving it a VERY good couple of coats.
According to Thompson’s data sheet, waterseal is good for natural fabrics including cotton and canvas.
No that's right, but you wouldn't be able to just button in the extra sections, you would need to get the sewing machine out and extend all around the bottom too. Perhaps that's what you have in mind though?
Yes mate , bang on , thats what i meant.
According to Thompson’s data sheet, waterseal is good for natural fabrics including cotton and canvas.
Yep you're right JB, just going on what others have said- something about a "new" chemical make up. Not checked myself and my tin is a couple of years old.
No that's right, but you wouldn't be able to just button in the extra sections, you would need to get the sewing machine out and extend all around the bottom too. Perhaps that's what you have in mind though?
Why couldn't it be button on? as long as the internal skirt is higher then the external cone the button can be used all the way around to change between larger tent ( with skirt ) to normal smaller backpack size.
Why couldn't it be button on? as long as the internal skirt is higher then the external cone the button can be used all the way around to change between larger tent ( with skirt ) to normal smaller backpack size.
nah surely they're cut so that when taught the two ends will be in a straight line, i.e. it forms a 180 degree outline. If you put more than one together you'd need to create a circle with more than 360 degrees...
Or each of the sides would bulge out, creating a very weird shape, with 3 it would look a bit like a micky mouse head...
could work though :D
nah surely they're cut so that when taught the two ends will be in a straight line, i.e. it forms a 180 degree outline. If you put more than one together you'd need to create a circle with more than 360 degrees...
Or each of the sides would bulge out, creating a very weird shape, with 3 it would look a bit like a micky mouse head...
could work though :D
Right , To be clear I am on about using an EXTRA tent ( because its cheap good fabric ) cutting it up and sewing it a little to create an extra section of skirt that can be just button to the bottom of the Normal two man single unit to create a far larger floor space.
So cutting and sewing required -Yes Extra tent required-Yes Modified-Yes
Any clearer?
So it's like a bell tent, like Spike came up with? Sounds like a good idea to me.
So it's like a bell tent, like Spike came up with? Sounds like a good idea to me.
Nearly.. Just use the extra fabric to create a skirt which would extend the line of the angles.. a bell tent would give you inside more height , no extra floor space.
Think of the current tent as a Cone , now extend that cone up by 1/3rd again , larger floor space , greater height , abilty to change between tight 2 man tent to reasonable 3 person tent.
Does that make sense?
Spikey DaPikey
19-01-2010, 04:29
Yup, makes sense to me, raise it up off the floor in the cone shape, and fill in the space with more fabric, to make the cone reach the ground again :cool:
Right , To be clear I am on about using an EXTRA tent ( because its cheap good fabric ) cutting it up and sewing it a little to create an extra section of skirt that can be just button to the bottom of the Normal two man single unit to create a far larger floor space.
So cutting and sewing required -Yes Extra tent required-Yes Modified-Yes
Any clearer?
oh!!!!!!! i get it!!! wooops...totally special move by me there. that does sound like a good idea :D
bush tycoon
19-02-2010, 14:59
Hi there Guys
Regarding waterproofing has anyone used the Grangers Fabsil camping proofer http://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/grangers-fabsil-5l-camping-proofer-p107747 if so has anyone got any tips on technique when waterproofing the tent?
nolightweight
19-02-2010, 15:14
This is a good tip:
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=596138&postcount=261
I just brushed it in TBH and therefore not tried out the above method. I will do another time though. Brushed in worked fine but uses a fair bit.
HTH.
bush tycoon
19-02-2010, 15:17
Cheers nolightweight.
one other question what does wet out mean?
Cheers
Jack
andybysea
19-02-2010, 18:11
Wet out is when the rain stops beading on the surface then starts to soak into the fabric, and or starts to come through to other side,when your in a cotton tent this can happen if its raining outside and you touch the fabric on the inside.
littlebiglane
20-02-2010, 12:40
I might be being dim here. I've put it up in the garden and climbed into it. How on earth you button it up from the inside and manage to close the outside storm flap all the way down?! I can't see how without some comically Pythonesque move by waving my hands wildly outside using the arm slits!
nolightweight
20-02-2010, 13:00
I might be being dim here. I've put it up in the garden and climbed into it. How on earth you button it up from the inside and manage to close the outside storm flap all the way down?! I can't see how without some comically Pythonesque move by waving my hands wildly outside using the arm slits!
Yep. That is difficult to say the least.
I usually just loop the loose eyelet over a tent peg and not bother closing the whole thing down. It seals it well enough (if you've done as most here and fastened 3 buttons down on the entry side) and I've used this set up a lot in the wet and cold. Makes for an easier late night exit for watering the foliage also.
It's on the back burner at the moment but I'll be putting a couple of patches of velcro on I think.
HTH.
Alexlebrit
03-04-2010, 14:48
I'd better start by saying I've not actually seen one of these lavvu's in the flesh, but I've been thinking about simple ways to extend them, as some people have said they're a bit small.
I reckon instead of trying to add fabric to the bottom the easiiest way would be to add a simple rectangle of tarp in the middle. I've seen, but can't find it a picture of of half a lavvu set up, so they'll obviously stand up like that.
The tarp would need buttons/holes to attach it, but that shouldn't be too hard to do. You'd button in one side completely and use the other side as a door. You could use a couple more poles or paddles or paracord to trees/landies/bystanders to support the loose flap and which would give a useful covered porch which could be open to your fire.
Here's a very rough MSPaint sketch which probably explains it all better.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4045/4486212511_d81d32031f_o.jpg
That wouldn't work Alex as they are round, not oblong with bell ends :eek: You would then need an extra pole and TBH it would be just like a large US pup tent then...which obviously are already out there.
I'd better start by saying I've not actually seen one of these lavvu's in the flesh, but I've been thinking about simple ways to extend them, as some people have said they're a bit small.
I reckon instead of trying to add fabric to the bottom the easiiest way would be to add a simple rectangle of tarp in the middle. I've seen, but can't find it a picture of of half a lavvu set up, so they'll obviously stand up like that.
The tarp would need buttons/holes to attach it, but that shouldn't be too hard to do. You'd button in one side completely and use the other side as a door. You could use a couple more poles or paddles or paracord to trees/landies/bystanders to support the loose flap and which would give a useful covered porch which could be open to your fire.
Here's a very rough MSPaint sketch which probably explains it all better.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4045/4486212511_d81d32031f_o.jpg
i understand what you mean, you would in effect split the shelter in half along its pre existing button bits, move them apart and add a rectangle to fill the new void. basically just widening it.
looking at the tent from a birdseye view it goes from being round to oblong with rounded ends.
that would work, but would be quite a bit of fabrication and prob cost for decent fabric, but it would work.
perhaps a laavu and butchering a pup tent to do that would work.
an easier way to do it would be to pitch the 2 halves seperately (would need to source some more poles) so that you have 2 carp fishing style shelter,place them opposite each other about 2 metres apart then use a tarp to cover the gap. you could peg the tarp down at the base at the back, bring it up over the top of the 2 tents where the poles go, then straight out in front to form a porch. you would have to rig up some form of ridgeline though, but that could simply be a bit of paracord between the 2 poles (just to prevent the tarp sagging and pooling water) or a more substantial setup with another form of pole.
at this point though i would have thought its going to need guylines adding in for stability, especially if the poles are taking the weight of a tarp with ridgeline, they would need guys to keep them upright
Alexlebrit
03-04-2010, 15:20
Yeah that's the idea, erect the two halves separately, and cover the middle bit with tarp. Shouldn't be that expensive, one extra pole and a bit of tarp, it wouldn't have to be the same material as the rest of the lavvu.
Then it's just sewing on buttons and making buttonholes - I know my mum's sewing machine will do those automatically.
with the tarp method, you might not have to do that if you ran some guylines out to keep it taught, it should shed water.
when i can try it out i might experiment with my laavu and tarp to see if i can get something workable. wont be for a while though.
Davey569
03-04-2010, 15:30
That could work. If you have some canvas material then just make a tarp with buttons down the sides and either use basha poles or a ridgeline I think thats a great idea. :)
count me in as well for a gb i like it i like it a lot
regards dave
count me in as well for a gb i like it i like it a lot
regards dave
GB was a while ago mate, there are some on ebay though
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ex-Army-2-men-Canvas-Bell-tent-/220612764679?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Collectables_Militaria_L E&hash=item335d8ba407
thats the seller i got mine from, its basically mint apart from 2 slightly rusty eyelets. its great bit of kit
Or there's one in the classifieds for £25 delivered :)
blackris
17-06-2010, 10:04
Hi! I found your board searching for the polish lavvu. I want to buy it here (http://www.ranger-shop.de/products/Alles-fuer-draussen/Outdoor-Lagerplatz/2-Mannzelte/Polnisches-Zweimann-Zelt.html), but there are different statements about the size. On the first page of this thread, Traper said that it is at most 180cm diameter. Somebody in another board told me, that he has plenty space and is about 185cm tall (bought it at the linked page).
Sadly I'm about 2m tall. Can I sleep in the (unmodified) lavvu without getting a wet head an feet? I made a sketch (http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/183/lavvu.jpg), the blue rectangle has a size of 60x210cm and fits passably, but just when the description of the diameter is right.
I'm looking forward to some answers. :)
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Oh and with shipping costs to GB it would be ~ £25 for one, ~ £20 when ordering two.
Hi and welcome Blackris. 2.5m may be about right. I'm only 175cm and don't fill the length, BUT the angles at the bottom are very acute and you might end up with canvas on your feet and face- not good if it's raining. Unless you sleep curled up I would give it a miss. At 2m you are quite tall!
blackris
17-06-2010, 10:57
Thanks for the fast reply. Ok, to tall.. I think I should take a look at the austrian fieldtent (http://www.raeer.com/shopexd.asp?page=&id=30952?var=00000) which is a little bigger and not much more expensive. But as I don't like camouflage, I maybe will modify the polish tent like this guy (http://www.bushcraftliving.com/forums/showpost.php?p=115957&postcount=18).
Interesting, this. I bought another one from a guy in Poland - see ebay no 170490469683. Actually was looking for a poncho, but saw this and thought - might as well get two ponchos! Got it for 12.50, plus 8pounds postage. as well as tent, got two polish army bags - each big enough to put in a Swiss Army volcano cooker, water bottle, fuel etc etc - and two neckovers! All items brand new.
Apart from gloating about value for money, I raised this because the ad also mentioned that the ponchos come in three sizes - which might explain how the size of the tents seem to vary. I don't know if the ebay link above works, but there were some interesting photos of possible configurations too.
Actually, he isn't advertising on ebay at present, but his email address is orccape@gmail.com - no connection other than satisfied customer etc etc.
...I bought another one from a guy in Poland .... Got it for 12.50, plus 8pounds postage...
same dude is now selling them for £9,90/£6,90/£4,90 [for sizes L/M/S]. however he's doubled the postage charge to £16.
did yours turn up OK?
this thread is like crack - it seems like everyone who reads it ends up buying one themselves!
Farmer_Fred
06-08-2010, 17:33
Thanks for all the info on these incredible tents. I picked one up from Essex Surplus in Chelmsford last weekend and camped out down that way. I was impressed at how cosy the tent was!
tylkogosc
08-08-2010, 19:33
Hi Folks! just want to share some info about Polish "Pałatka" or "Peleryna" as we call it.I'm suprised so many ppl like it,it's havy,huge and sometimes soak,(if happends We've use ipregnat in spray,and then works fine)anyway
in army it comes in 3 sizes depends on soldier height.they are two colors -green one for land forces and black (which is more grey) for AA defence.
ther is also special version of it called PZW (Peleryna Zwiadowcy-Recon Shelter) made of rubber with camo print on it,which can be use as NBC protection,rain shelter (poncho), small boat (ponton),and tent. here is example http://allegro.pl/item1086639460_pzw_peleryna_zw iadowcy_ponton_jednoosobowy.ht ml
sorry for my English:)
forget to mention-its easy to warm it inside when use small candle/lighter
Farmer_Fred
08-08-2010, 22:39
Hello tylkogosc, that boat palatka is incredible!! Just wondering which way out the Polish army pitch these tents as I can't seem to make up my mind. Thanks for the link
tylkogosc
09-08-2010, 09:58
PZW (boat Palatka)comes in two sizes and is much more heavy than normal palatka. soldiers carry it in bag (its still in use in some recon units) on back of Yoke .complete PZW had attached rubber glowes used as paddle.regards
essex army surplus have them for £20 in their shop, i thimk they have an outlet in luton as well. but beware that my pole was broken when i got home.
Badger74
22-12-2010, 21:17
This is mine with the stove in. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=253568&id=646762373&l=9160de130c
I sold mine 12 months ago and now I want to try another, anyone bought one recently for a good price?
Bloke on ebay sells them as a mini yurt, last one went for £98 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He is knocking out another now
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mini-Yurt-Canvas-Tent-Tee-pee-Tipi-/150633220832?pt=UK_SportsLeisu re_HikingCamping_Tents_JN&hash=item2312708ae0 he should be reported.
Bloke on ebay sells them as a mini yurt, last one went for £98 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He is knocking out another now
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mini-Yurt-Canvas-Tent-Tee-pee-Tipi-/150633220832?pt=UK_SportsLeisu re_HikingCamping_Tents_JN&hash=item2312708ae0 he should be reported.
Well, you can't deny he has a feeling for business and marketing.....
metalfury
21-07-2011, 13:16
Here's a pic of my buddy's tarp setup with a couple of canoe paddles for tarp poles
http://elementseu.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/img_1357.jpg?w=510&h=340
To see the image in context with his review of the True North tarp:
http://elementseu.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/the-true-north-big-tarp/
metalfury
21-07-2011, 13:20
Sorry, posted in wrong thread! Will delete if I can, now where's that emoticon for blushing!
I'm still pondering whether to get one or not....
Yep me too just "discovered" them and really fancy one for the winter in instead of getting a hammock under blanket plus you can cook in them maybe build an ammo box stove or use my ikea hobo stove in the door way.anyone got a cheap one?found them online for £23 delivered online
Probably not the best time to mention this as I'm about to bugger off to Canada for a couple of weeks but, I'm in talks with a dealer who can supply 10 complete tents for just under £160. I don't mind getting them in if there's any interest but you'll have to choose your preferred postage on top of that, I'm happy to meet up with local folk if it helps.
I think they average around 3.5 to 4kgs so whether it can be done for less than those already available at £25 I don't know.
I'll pick it up again on my return but maybe add your name here if you're interested and I'll see what we can do.
Yep me too just "discovered" them and really fancy one for the winter in instead of getting a hammock under blanket plus you can cook in them maybe build an ammo box stove or use my ikea hobo stove in the door way.anyone got a cheap one?found them online for £23 delivered online
Have you got a link for those at £23 Andy ?
I'd still fancy getting one of these myself. After i posted earlier in the thread, I did order one from the ebay seller linked to in previous posts...
Well, to cut a long story short, the wonderful Royal Mail managed to initially lose the parcel, then send it to the wrong sorting office, then back to Poland, without ever getting it within 5 miles of my front door. When I tried to find out WTF thay had been playing at, they fobbed me off with some story about the parcel not having had a proper delivery address on it, so they'd "returned it to sender". I contacted the sender in Poland who emailed me photos of the parcel, as returned to him, with my address written clearly on it in marker pen in two different places. He said the parcel looked like someone had been playing football with it, by the time it arrived back with him. Needless to say I didnae get a penny back off the Royal Mail, either.
So, yeah, if anyone turns up a new source of these, I'd still like to try and get my paws on one.
Have you got a link for those at £23 Andy ?
here you go rich but be warned just gone to order one and they added 7.53 postage just as i went to pay
http://www.militarymart.co.uk/Camping/Tents/Small-tents/Polish-Army-Dome-tent-Lavvu/prod_1444.html?added=1
if you can get that bloke with 10 i would have 1 and maybe get it at a brockwell weekend ? or maybe come down to yorkshire and make a weekend of it either way it'll be canny little group buy let me know if you go ahead and get them
i'd probably be up for one as well,
here you go rich but be warned just gone to order one and they added 7.53 postage just as i went to pay
http://www.militarymart.co.uk/Camping/Tents/Small-tents/Polish-Army-Dome-tent-Lavvu/prod_1444.html?added=1
if you can get that bloke with 10 i would have 1 and maybe get it at a brockwell weekend ? or maybe come down to yorkshire and make a weekend of it either way it'll be canny little group buy let me know if you go ahead and get them
I saw those last night on ebay when I was looking, I think that's the guy I got my original one off. They've knocked the postage down to £6.50 so they're £30 all in, that's still a good price for what they are I reckon.
I'll see what's happening when I get back and start a new thread if there's enough interest.
just looked on ebay aswell and its the same company but different postage prices very strange
it looks like 3 people already so i don't think you'll have any probs getting rid of 10
are you coming upto brockwell in september with chris ?
are you coming upto brockwell in september with chris ?
I'm due a visit so I'll see what's on, when's it happening?
I'm due a visit so I'll see what's on, when's it happening?
Not sure no dates as yet just some time in september,cant wait last one was a laugh
Just noticed that these are back
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Two-Man-Polish-Army-Canvas-Tent-also-two-Poncho-Teepee-/230658234536?pt=UK_SportsLeisu re_HikingCamping_Tents_JN&hash=item35b44d58a8#ht_1920wt_ 905
Just bought one for £24 inc p&p :) Cant wait to get it and try out the tripod thingy!
BigMonster
19-09-2011, 14:30
If you can wait 2-3 months I can organize a group buy as I'm going home for 2 weeks (yes, I'm from poland). Price shouldn't go beyond 15 quid mark for one and something like 25 for two (you need two for a "full" tent).
as I will be going there by car I can bring as many as you need :)
Just realised...Ive had mine up for three days INSIDE OUT with the pocket buttons on the inside and the extra shoulder fabric on the outside :/ only leaked in along the neck corded lines :) Very pleased indeed!
Just realised...Ive had mine up for three days INSIDE OUT with the pocket buttons on the inside and the extra shoulder fabric on the outside :/ only leaked in along the neck corded lines :) Very pleased indeed!
haha took me a little time to work out which way they go up cause there does nt seem to be a right or wrong way this weekend at brockwell will be the first time it'll have been used overnight so hope it does nt rain to much :rolleyes:
Interested in a group buy if one is being organised.
Anyone got any more pictures? And how spacious is it?
hi no pictures as yet will do by sunday :) they are supposed to be 2 man but more like 1 with room for kit or 1 and a child i got mine here
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Two-Man-Polish-Army-Canvas-Tent-also-two-Poncho-Teepee-/230658234536?pt=UK_SportsLeisu re_HikingCamping_Tents_JN&hash=item35b44d58a8
hi no pictures as yet will do by sunday :) they are supposed to be 2 man but more like 1 with room for kit or 1 and a child i got mine here
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Two-Man-Polish-Army-Canvas-Tent-also-two-Poncho-Teepee-/230658234536?pt=UK_SportsLeisu re_HikingCamping_Tents_JN&hash=item35b44d58a8
Hi, are you going to look at putting a log burner in it as shown previously on this thread?
Hi, are you going to look at putting a log burner in it as shown previously on this thread?
thought about it using an ammo box but i think its a bit over kill for the size of it but it might be fun to make a small one for the winter
thought about it using an ammo box but i think its a bit over kill for the size of it but it might be fun to make a small one for the winter
I had the same idea I have a small ammo tin at work so I may give I a shot when I get back. Unfortunately it will be summer then :(
If you can wait 2-3 months I can organize a group buy as I'm going home for 2 weeks (yes, I'm from poland). Price shouldn't go beyond 15 quid mark for one and something like 25 for two (you need two for a "full" tent).
as I will be going there by car I can bring as many as you need :)
Buy five, £17 each delivered, uk seller
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TENT-Two-Man-Army-double-Ponchos-Teepee-DEAL-x-5-/230658238340?pt=UK_WSJL_Wholes ale_GL&hash=item35b44d6784
BigMonster
23-09-2011, 23:19
Don't worry guys. I will definitely start a new thread and do the whole group buy properly. I don't have exact date yet but I'm going this year for sure.
If you can wait 2-3 months I can organize a group buy as I'm going home for 2 weeks (yes, I'm from poland). Price shouldn't go beyond 15 quid mark for one and something like 25 for two (you need two for a "full" tent).
as I will be going there by car I can bring as many as you need :)
£25 for the two, why not just buy off the ebay link I posted at £17 for the two? Don't make sense to me.
BigMonster
24-09-2011, 15:59
Just a rough guess. It really depends how many and from who... If I can't beat this guy price then we will forget about the whole thing...
mark wood
25-09-2011, 23:12
I had a quick try of one of these at a Scout meeting the other week and wasn't convinced I could lie out straight without touching the sides head and toe. I'm 6'1" so could anyone confirm the dimensions - we might not have had the tent as taught as it will go and I've seen 2.5m as the advertised diameter but it seemed snug to me.
Thanks
Mark
tomongoose
26-09-2011, 10:59
I bought one last year and they are warm and snow proof but bulky and very cramped I'm only 5 10 and by the time me and my gear were in there it was pretty cramped. I got mine for under £25 delivered and I am happy with it for that price but i wouldn't pay any more for it or buy another one
I'm 5' 5" and shrinking all the time so mine will be absolutely palatial - can't wait for it to arrive!
Liam
I contacted an ebay dealer about shipping discount on buying a couple of these for my kids o use at scout camp and he said that if I bought 5 he could do them for £70 delivered instead of £24 each.
If my maths is right then this works out at £14 each. I have no need for 5 and wondered if anyone would be interested in a mini "group buy" of 5. Parcel2go quotes £6 shipping for up to 8Kg which would be enough for 2 tents.
Paypal fees would be 88p for one and £1.36 for 2 tents. If interested then please let me know. If I am speaking out of turn (I am a newish member here) then please let me know.
Cheers
Keith
HillBill
27-09-2011, 09:32
I'm 6'3 and they are fine for me.
I had a quick try of one of these at a Scout meeting the other week and wasn't convinced I could lie out straight without touching the sides head and toe. I'm 6'1" so could anyone confirm the dimensions - we might not have had the tent as taught as it will go and I've seen 2.5m as the advertised diameter but it seemed snug to me.
Thanks
Mark
I bought one last year and they are warm and snow proof but bulky and very cramped I'm only 5 10 and by the time me and my gear were in there it was pretty cramped. I got mine for under £25 delivered and I am happy with it for that price but i wouldn't pay any more for it or buy another one
Agree with you 100%, I got one to see what all the fuss was about but at 5' 11" its too cramped for me. My lad tried it and at 6' 3" it was no good. If he still has it and doesn't want it I'll give it away.
I contacted an ebay dealer about shipping discount on buying a couple of these for my kids o use at scout camp and he said that if I bought 5 he could do them for £70 delivered instead of £24 each.
If my maths is right then this works out at £14 each. I have no need for 5 and wondered if anyone would be interested in a mini "group buy" of 5. Parcel2go quotes £6 shipping for up to 8Kg which would be enough for 2 tents.
Paypal fees would be 88p for one and £1.36 for 2 tents. If interested then please let me know. If I am speaking out of turn (I am a newish member here) then please let me know.
Cheers
Keith
Cowboy has expressed an interest in 2 tents so one remaining.
Message to Cowboy PM inbox is full so PMs are returned.
£20 delivered for remaining tent assuming I can make contact with cowboy.
tree beard
28-09-2011, 20:09
I'll take one please . . . . . if there's one left . . . .
I'll take one please . . . . . if there's one left . . . .
Cheers,
Assuming I can contact Cowboy, I will get this going asap and will contact you with paypal details and to get your address.
Try suporting them externally with a couple of poles (or use three washing line poles from Wilkinsons, either internally or externally). Gives a whole lot more space inside, as you don't have to "bend" around the central pole.
tree beard
29-09-2011, 07:40
Cheers,
Assuming I can contact Cowboy, I will get this going asap and will contact you with paypal details and to get your address.
Cool . . . . thanks very much.
HillBill
29-09-2011, 07:54
Thats what i generally do. Build a tripod and throw the tent over it. It transforms the space inside.
Try suporting them externally with a couple of poles (or use three washing line poles from Wilkinsons, either internally or externally). Gives a whole lot more space inside, as you don't have to "bend" around the central pole.
Harvestman
29-09-2011, 10:37
Now here's a silly question...
Has anyone tried waxing one of these as a waterproofing, or would that make it ridiculously heavy?
Just wondering.
sasquatch
29-09-2011, 12:11
Now here's a silly question...
Has anyone tried waxing one of these as a waterproofing, or would that make it ridiculously heavy?
Just wondering.
Nope. I've had mine out in some real heavy rains and the fabric tightened up a treat. I think treating it might affect this but I'm not sure. All I know is I'll leave mine well alone until it starts to leak...
tomongoose
03-10-2011, 23:08
I used grangers on mine and it survived a downpour fine
Thenihilist
06-11-2011, 11:19
http://www.militarymart.co.uk//Polish-Army-Dome-tent-Lavvu/prod_1444.html
Is this the same one? made from canvas?
Does anyone know the approximate size when packed?
Silverhill
06-11-2011, 11:21
http://www.militarymart.co.uk//Polish-Army-Dome-tent-Lavvu/prod_1444.html
Is this the same one? made from canvas?
Does anyone know the approximate size when packed?
Approximately 'Massive'.
Mine just about fits into a 58 pattern poncho roll, but without the poles. When packed they're approximately 5-7" Wide and about 30-36" long, depending upon how you roll them up (Short = wide etc)
Thenihilist
06-11-2011, 11:32
Is that both halves?
I assume there all canvas?
Silverhill
06-11-2011, 12:16
Yeah both halves together. You may be able to get them smaller if you button them together once you're putting it up, rather than buttoning them and then packing them. They're all canvas as far as I'm aware.
markie*mark0
25-04-2012, 15:45
finally bought one and it arrived over the weekend, got it setup using the supplied pole and though, how the ruddy hell could one person sleep in that, never mind two !!
So went and got x3 cloths line props (craching idea btw) and setup a tripod to eek out some more room.
Even with the tripod its still a mighty squeeze, im 6ft and lay down i practically touch my feet and head against the sides.... So i was a little disappointed, specially since i spent ages waterproofing it with loads of fabsil :(
Has any one got any tips on how to pitch to gain more room? I guess im going to need to sew a small skirt around the bottom edge to raise the apex and then widen the base. does anyone know where to get some similar type canvas?
tomongoose
25-04-2012, 16:54
I am going to do the same mark, I have some old gazebo material I am going to use first to see how much bigger it makes it and if its worth it I am going to buy some canvas
MartinK9
25-04-2012, 17:57
I guess im going to need to sew a small skirt around the bottom edge to raise the apex and then widen the base. does anyone know where to get some similar type canvas?
Have a look at Karl82 and TurboGirl's addition.
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=87865&highlight=polish
This has given it the floorspace of a Bison Tundra 4 Lavvu
HTH
markie*mark0
25-04-2012, 18:15
Yeah I did see that thread, pretty good mod! Anyone know what type of canvas was used? The original links are expired now :(