Arctic 2010 Exped attendees discussions [Archive]

Gailainne

22-09-2009, 20:58

About gear, its a difficult one, I was on the winter WEISS course in March last year, and our problem was, we didn't know how cold it was going to be, which was a big problem, because at -20 deg C the conditions change from wet to dry, which can change your gear choices a lot.

In the end I took clothes that I could layer, and made sure I had waterproof gear that would go on top if required. As a guide here's what I took;

Base layer;
Merino wool, the best quality at a decent price I could find, which at the time was Chocolatefish (http://www.chocolatefishmerino.co.uk/), I wore 2 layers of those.
I also bought and wore as a base merino wool boxers and longjohns from there.

Mid layer was a Ullfrotte (http://www.tamarackgroup.co.uk/acatalog/Ullfrotte___Woolpower.html?gcl id=CIvajI76hZ0CFdRb4wodVDao0w) top, I think a 200 gram, but I'll check.

Outer changed but it was mostly my BushcraftUK Ventile jacket with a down waistcoat over the top. Trousers were lined Craghoppers

I wore a winter buff around my neck, and usually merino/possum gloves and hat also from Chocolatefish. I also had Scandinavian winter leather gloves which came with 2 pairs of warm liners, only used them once as they got soaked because it was too warm (snow was wet), it averaged about -8 to -12 deg C, one night hit -20 with wind chill and the morning we left it was -13.

I had a set of army surplus gortex waterproofs with me as well in case I needed to throw them over the top.

Footware; I read up a lot about this, and finally decided on a pair of Sorel boots rated to -40 from Cabelas (http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/common/search/search-results1.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&selectedPerPage=&hasJS=true&_D%3AhasJS=+&_D%3Asort=+&sort=all&Ntt=sorel&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommo n%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form1) I think they worked out at £50 delivered !

Socks; I had merino thin socks as well as wool thicker ones, the boots themselves came with a lining that could be worn as a camp shoe.

Gaiters, get a good pair and make sure they fit whatever boots you buy, there is nothing worse than stepping into a deep pocket of snow without gaiters on, apart from thru ice into water (not recommended).

Hat is a russian style ski hat, ancient, but worked well
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/Gailainne/winterweiss/CIMG0024.jpg
Jacket is the Alpkit Filo down jacket
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/Gailainne/winterweiss/CIMG0058.jpg

I must admit I spent a fair amount on merino wool clothing, but it wasn't a bad buy, I use it all the time. The only time its not used is in the height of summer.

The only piece of equipment I haven't used since I got back, apart from the winter gloves, is the Sorel boots, even Scotland in the depths of winter would be too warm for those beasts.

Cheers

Stephen

some like it cold

22-09-2009, 21:38

Unfortunately not going to be able to do the trip as having trouble with my knee at the moment but i did a 7 day arctic survival challenge for charity in february

we were in sweden and temp varied between -19 and -34

in terms of gear i had a pair of salopettes from tk max and some thermals i got from a normal camping shop. i used liner socks as i have a problem with my feet sweating too much and then getting cold. I also had some flufy wellies (if theres one suggestion i would make its decent footware as this was the only part of me that got cold). for my top i had basic thermals a tshirt and a dale of norway jumper with the wind lining (was a free gift from a patient and absolutely amazing too hot most of the time)

i found as soon as we moved about i was stripping all my layers off as got too warm.

in terms of gloves i had some berghaus liners and cheap ski gloves but rarely wore them both at the same time.

because of the extreme cold it was all very dry so i never really wore a coat and the one i had was a cheap ski jacket. I discussed it all with Geoff Somers on the phone and he was very helpful (he has lots of experience in arctic and antarctica and he says he spends very little on kit its all about layering he gets his stuff from charity shops)

we stayed one night in a shelter we made which had insufficient insulation (not enough branches) and that was a very cold night where a few people started to get frostnip but in the ice hole the following night we were fine (unfortunately my snugpack antarctica bag didnt arrive until after i got back so had a -15 rated one + a liner +a bivvy bag and it was a bit cool dont think you can ever overdo the sleeping bag either but if u are staying in heated tents then no probs the one we had was great)

Chris the Cat

23-09-2009, 10:04

I am going,deposit paid!
I will be trying some Lowa type mountain boots with a wool felt foot bed
one and a half sizes too big (So not tight with double socks!)
Learnt my lesson from a trip last year,you need room in them tha boots!!
Anyone got their head around the flights yet!?
Is it a case of a kip in Oslo airport followed by a morning flight out to Badafoss?
Kit list mentions a small folding knife,are we not to bring our bushcraft knives along with us
or is the folder the minimum?
Cheers.
Chris

peve3

23-09-2009, 11:44

Hi People,

Just joined the forum and saw the exped and had to instantly signup. Really looking forward to going now and done nothing like this before. Wondering where people are coming from I am based near Basingstoke. Maybe we can organise transport and group flight to keep costs down.

Also anyone interested in going a few days earlier to see a bit of oslo ?

skaus84

26-09-2009, 19:02

Still not sure if I can attend this with my university time table. Has anyone considered excess baggage charges? I don't have all my kit yet so not sure what the total weight will be when it's all packed.

Chris the Cat

26-09-2009, 19:09

Should be cool fella!,20kg is a fair amount! Just make sure you are wearing your boots!
Chris.

DavidJT

26-09-2009, 21:48

Not going myself, but from past experience... wear as much gear as possible, and carry a reasonable amount of hand luggage, then 20kg should be fine.

GearGuru

26-09-2009, 23:14

I've paid deposit and really looking forward to going
tryed invastigating flights but found it hard work - all seemed to be late flights on the Sunday
Thinking about spending saturday flying and then exploring Oslo
Not managed to find right flights but I think I need to fly from heathrow by the looks of it
Also wondered about access baggage costs - also interested to investigate keeping kit costs down

Tony

28-09-2009, 09:39

I'll get some kit hire prices up, that way you'll not have to carry it all.

Chris the Cat

28-09-2009, 10:36

Bushwhacker

28-09-2009, 11:16

Tony,are we being advised not to take our own bushcraft type knife with us?
It only mentions bringing along a folder!
Also anyone know if its a case of fly out from London Sat.,kip over in Oslo A/port and on again Sun. morning?
(would like to use the Norwegian airline if I can,hate to give a penny to Ryan air!!)
Cheers for now.
Chris.

I would imagine that the kit list is there just as a guide, you could take a pair of speedos and a snorkel if you so wished. It's your bag, put what you like in it.

Chris the Cat

28-09-2009, 11:27

I always wear speedos when 'out in the field! (seriously!!)
Are you going?
Chris.

Bushwhacker

28-09-2009, 11:53

I always wear speedos when 'out in the field! (seriously!!)
Are you going?
Chris.

Funnily enough I've been toying with the idea over the weekend. I've got a nipper on the way in March and want to squeeze in one more exped before it drops.

I was up there last year and it's a great place, would love to do some more Huskey sledding given the chance.

Chris the Cat

28-09-2009, 15:13

Yeah,the Huskey sledding did it for me too!
Got to do these things while you can fella!
(1st kiddee? I have two.)
My best.
Chris.

Leonidas

28-09-2009, 17:01

Hi Folks - Loads of sub topics on this thread, but here goes :rolleyes:

Flights
Here is some flight info I posted on a previous thread, still applies

FYI - Return flights from Oslo to Bardufoss via Norwegian... 133 Euro (Single booking NOT group booking)

I'll probably book the following, if anyone travelling from Hampshire (South or South West) is interested in this particular itinerary let me know as I'll be leaving my car at the airport.....Plenty of room as it is a big ass Range Rover.

From London Heathrow (LHR) via Oslo (OSL) to Bardufoss (BDU)
Best synchronizing of flights I've found to date....(Norwegian DO NOT fly direct at this time of year)

Outbound leg 14th Feb 2010
Arrive LHR 0600
Depart LHR 0720 - Arr OSL 1030 (British Airways Flight)
Depart OSL 1315 - Arr BDU 1505 (Norwegian)

RV Bardufoss (BDU) arrivals 1530 14th Feb
HAVE LOADS OF FUN
Dropped of at BDU at 1300 20th Feb

Return leg 20th Feb 2010
Depart BDU 1415 - Arr OSL 1605
Depart OSL 1710 - Arr LHR 1840

Equipment (Been shopping)
Clothes:-
2 x Merino base top
2 x Forces arctic base leggings
North Face (TNF) - Down Ice Jacket...toasty
TNF Lined snow trousers
Spare snow trousers

Feet
Sorel Ice boots -40c with standard liners (Long boots / top toggled like gaiters)
Additional 13mm Sorel liners for above boots (Can utilize standard liners as sleeping bag boots if required)
TNF Nuptse down camp boots (Toasty)
24 x self heating 8 hour foot warmers (Yep bought a shed load of spares)
Box of self heating warmers (Just in case of cold spots) :)
Several pairs of 1000 mile liner socks
Various light and medium gauge snow socks

Head / Hands
Insulated hat covers ears and neck, also has peak
Gloves (TO SORT)

Sleep Gear
12mm inflatable sleep mat
Arctic bag, large (Have got three spares if required)
Bivvi bag large (Have a couple of spares if needed)

Tools
Will bring blade and axe (Packed into checked luggage) (well I do make the damn things)
Not bringing full bore rifles on this occasion seeing as we are being provided with food.:rolleyes:
Might also bring a snow saw (Undecided)
Solar chargeable torch
Head torch
Uco candle lantern plus spare candles
Spare dry sacs (Keep boots / clothes / water etc in bivi bag)

Safety
A rather comprehensive medical kit, so it might be appendix with a nice Chianti......(Hissing noise between teeth)
TSE pain relief unit (Just in case)

Misc
Glacier glasses
Goggles
Towel - For ice dipping :(
Spare camera batteries (Batteries do not last long in these conditions)
Other gear as per list already posted.........

General Stuff
Anyone who is flying on a similar schedule to the above and will pass through North
Hampshire is welcome to leave their car at my house and join me en-route to the airport as it may save on airport parking and travel....
If anyone is struggling sorting an Arctic bag and bivvi let me know.

Tom

Chris the Cat

28-09-2009, 17:10

Great,thanks for the travel details Tom!
(Will add to this thread later,gotta pick kids up!)
Chris.

Gailainne

28-09-2009, 18:04

I've been thinking about sleeping mats, when we did the winter WEISS we were issued with a maybe 10mm thick solid foam mat and a reindeer skin, tent floor was on the snow and we were on the tent floor, toasty. Wonder if the Bardufoss shops have a spare reindeer skin or 2 :D.

Checked the Exped downs mats as well (because that's what I have) the Exped 7cm down mat is good down to -24degC the 9cm is good to -38deg C, so that's another option.

According to the Norwegian web site we can do a group booking for 10 or more, but its a good price at 133 euros as is.

Stephen

Chris the Cat

28-09-2009, 18:09

Any idea of the flight costs return to London? (133eros internal flights,I get that bit!)
Was a bed mat on the kit list? I had assumed they were provided (Not sure why!!)
Will check,but will check out these Exped mats of which you speak Stephen!
Chris.

Bushwhacker

29-09-2009, 13:18

Yeah,the Huskey sledding did it for me too!
Got to do these things while you can fella!
(1st kiddee? I have two.)
My best.
Chris.

Yep, 1st one Chris - making a baby is probably the ultimate in bushcraft DIY! :)

Leonidas

29-09-2009, 17:31

Any idea of the flight costs return to London?

I've shopped around and ironically BA appear to be one of the cheapest....
I have already booked London Heathrow to Oslo return ticket via BA and it cost £234 all in..

For the OSL to BDU leg I have approached Norwegian airlines for a group deal for 10 or more people flying the Oslo to Bardufoss leg as detailed in my earlier post above....

I'll post details when I get a response.

Tom.

Chris the Cat

29-09-2009, 18:14

Great news Tom,I shall get on the London/Oslo leg.
I'm in for internal leg mate.
My best.
Chris.

peve3

29-09-2009, 19:11

I found the following prices through SAS this seems to be the best prices around plus you get a further 2% discount if bought using quidco.

London Heathrow Apt - Oslo
Adult 90.40

Oslo - London Heathrow Apt
Adult 70.70

Service fee 2

163.10Total 163.10 GBP
The total includes:
Taxes and
fuel surcharge
incl. VATvv 79.10

Not sure if this direct link will work:

https://bookings.flysas.com/sasinternational_uk/AirSearchActionResult.do?follo wAction=AirSearchAction&time=1254244967532

Have looked at group booking also and a discount can be arranged for more than 9 people.

If we can work out the best prices around and then we do a group booking im sure we can bring prices down further. :cool:

Leonidas

29-09-2009, 19:35

Hi Peve - Yep I looked at these flights, they are great prices but the flights do not synch up with the all important Oslo to Bardufoss leg :(

The reason I opted for BA flights is they are pretty much back to back with the Oslo to Bardufoss legs AND the same airport....so it means an overnighter / hotel is not required.

Just checking to ensure you caught the flight times with SAS... :rolleyes:
The flight prices you mention relate to an outbound flight from heathrow departing either:-
13th Feb (Saturday) 0720 or 1730 which means a 16 > 26 hour stopover as the
14th Feb 2010 at 19.25pm (Is too late for a 14th Feb connection)

If you took the above into account, great, if not I hope it is not too late to amend the logistics.

How we all get to Oslo is down to personal preference, hope we can get enough folks on the Oslo to Bardufoss group booking though.
The timing of this flight gets us to Bardufoss around 30 minutes before we are meant to rendezvous at arrivals. Given it is a small airport / plane, this should be appropriate timing to get our luggage.

FYI - Do you know Norwegian charge 4 Euro if you check luggage and have a discounted flight.....I've asked them to review this charge (BOTH WAYS) for the group booking, they also charge another 4 Euro each way to select your seat....
I'll be at the back of the bus :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Tom

Tony

29-09-2009, 21:02

Guys,I've got to ask, have you got yourselves holiday insurance? We've not got 16 yet and it can only run when we hit 16 people coming which means that it might not happen, it all depends on numbers, that's the key figure to make it viable.

We've said a number of times to make sure you're covered just in case something goes wrong which could be anything from a family issue to there not being enough people.

Think about it before booking flights etc.

Chris the Cat

29-09-2009, 21:34

Would it be worth putting out a call to the BCUK community Tony?
I guess we should hold off booking flights untill we have 16 on board!?
How far off are we?
Cheers.
Chris.

Tony

29-09-2009, 21:48

I would, unless people get their insurance before that, i'm sure that covers things like flights (although individuals would have to check) It's not a lot of money and it would cover for the whole ot if anything happens. If the holiday insurance covers it book away.

We need another 6 to make it run, there's a number of people that have been sent info, we're just waiting to see what comes back.

Chris the Cat

29-09-2009, 21:53

Maybe flag it up when we are good to go Tony!
Then get the balances paid and then we can all book up the flights!
Chris.

GearGuru

01-10-2009, 01:32

Tony - I thought it was stated that if the course was cancelled there would be a refund?

cheers chris

Chris the Cat

01-10-2009, 08:12

Sure there will be mate, I think( tho. I could be wrong!)
that Tony is talking about flights ( if the trip is called off.)
Fingers crossed!
Chris.

Tony

01-10-2009, 09:29

Yep, that's absolutely right Chris, it's very unlikely but if it does happen my concern is that people are paying for flights and they need to be covered for that, not just in case we cancel but in case something happens that was unforeseen, such as a family member getting ill, or even yourselves having a problem somewhere. It's not a lot of dosh to make sure that there's gong to be no loss, if people ahve covered themselves then there's no issue with getting flights now.

that make sense?

Leonidas

01-10-2009, 13:11

Hi Folks - Thought it might be useful to share what I have put in place etc so folks can opt to do same or otherwise.

The insurance I took also covers the course fee just for added piece of mind, however as Tony has already mentioned the course fees are covered as per T&C's.

Please do not let any misunderstanding around flight costs or risk put you off this wonderful opportunity.
There is a very cost effective way (£14.75) to alleviate exposure to cancelled flights etc.
PS...I have no affiliation or connection to any insurer, I work for HP :rolleyes:

Keep in mind there are multiple components to this exped that create a chain of events.

Flight form UK to Oslo
Oslo to Bardufoss (BDU)
The weeks events
BDU to Oslo
Oslo to UK

I have made extensive enquiries and subsequently taken insurance out that not only covers the usual.....medical, baggage, but also that all important cancellation etc....

Things to keep in mind when taking insurance.
If one component breaks down will the insurance cover the balance of events?
The short answer is....even good insurance will only cover some of them, but there is a cunning plan afoot....

Here is a summary of what I insured for

First and last leg of journey (UK to Oslo return flights) Covered
Oslo to BDU NOT COVERED, If you find ANY insurer that will insure a connecting flight good luck :-)
However! The cunning plan to mitigate this part....
If we do the group deal for Oslo to BDU via Norwegian we only need to provide a deposit then pay 30 days prior to departure, so anything untoward occurs up to 14th Jan 2010 the only exposure is 'approx' £40 deposit.

Cost of travel insurance that covers the usual medical / baggage plus cancellation / curtailment was £14.75 (which includes £2 usual virtual robbery via booking fees etc)
I have asked for a group discount scheme, they need 10 people for this and is gives 5% discount.....
For 10 people covering NO pre existing medical conditions the price is £110 inc IPT
For 10 people and covering pre existing conditions STC the price is £142 inc IPT
If 10 or more folks are interested let me know and I'll have the insurers contact you directly.

If anyone is interested let me know...but bear in mind it is not a kings ransom so don't sweat it :lmao:
Insurer are insureandgo.com
To be clear....there are other travel insurers from £5.99 BUT I have spoke to several of them....the cancellation I was looking for was not covered. Only things like the airline going bust etc is covered under standard cancellation policies (Read small print).

Anyone need any help with insurance or logistics or kit or AOB let me know I'll help if I can..for mysteries of the universe I reserve the right to defer to Steven Hawking :lmao:

UPDATES
NORWEGIAN GROUP BOOKING
As some of you know I've approached Norwegian for a group deal on the Oslo to BDU return flights (as posted earlier in this thread), their quotes are higher than the prices we can get from the internet.
i.e. the group quote comes out at £164 per person at today's exchange rate (They quote in DK) Important to note this includes 2 pieces of luggage of max 20 kg per piece per person, in any case they also allow 1 piece of cabin luggage, max 10 kg (55x40x20cm)

A flight booked today on the web costs £121.....however there is an additional £8 charge (£4 each way) for one piece of checked luggage...
I do not mind paying a little more to secure more checked luggage etc if others are interested.....if there is no interest in the group booking please let me know asap and I'll cancel the enquiry.

LIFT TO HEATHROW
The offer of a lift to Heathrow airport from North Hampshire (Bordon or en-route) for a flight departure of 0720am or later, is still available. I have room for three plus gear.

GEAR
I have a couple of Arctic sleeping bags and Bivvi's, they are available to borrow if required.

Best to everyone
Tom

Tony

01-10-2009, 13:16

Excellent post Tom:You_Rock_

Gailainne

03-10-2009, 19:59

I've tried quite a few variants on a theme, this is the best I've come up with if you are flying from Scotland;

KLM 14 th Feb;

05:55 Edinburgh - 08:30 Amsterdam
10:20 Amsterdam - 12:10 Oslo.

That only leaves an 1 hr and 5 mins to catch the connection to Bardufoss :eek: Remember that will probably mean collecting your rucksack and booking it in again, I've still to check if KLM will do a bag transfer to another carrier.

Return; Two choices;

KLM 20th Feb, Very tight, you land at 16:05, again that may be possible if Norwegian do bag transfers to other carriers.
16:55 Oslo - 18:55 Amsterdam
21:10 Amsterdam - 21:40 Edinburgh

KLM 21st Feb
10:00 Oslo - 12:10 Amsterdam
15:05 Amsterdam - 15:35 Edinburgh
NB I'm not sure why it takes 2:35 to get to Amsterdam from Edinburgh but only 00:30 to return :confused:

I prefer the flight on the Sunday morning, not rushed, Saturday night in Oslo :cool:

Cheers

Stephen

Chris the Cat

04-10-2009, 09:54

Tom you totally deserve beer (and/or wiskey) for your troubles mate!
Put me down for whatever you are doing (I will travel up to Heathrow from the west country)
Tony,are we good to go yet! (numbers wise)? There was a post on the other thread from some new Cat saying 'this trip is full' (New full member from Canada I think!)
Cheers all ,talk soon.
Chris.

Leonidas

05-10-2009, 10:14

Another piece of essential equipment that is useless.....until it is needed, then it is priceless, literally.

The EHIC European Health Insurance Card

In another Exped thread it was advised that folk obtain one of the above EHIC cards.
I can only report upon UK process being a UK resident, our friends living outside of the UK will need to check arrangements with their respective health authorities.

The following is for guidance only, it is the absolute responsibility of each individual to ensure they obtain a EHIC and the appropriate level of additional medical insurance.

They (EHIC's) are free and take literally 5 minutes on-line to obtain. You will need your National Insurance (NI) number.
Whilst applying I also applied for an EHIC for the missus, the same basic info is required and I'm assuming you can recall your partners birth date....oooops :lmao:

What is it?
Essentially the EHIC is a card that allows you to receive the same basic level of state medical care afforded to that countries residents. (Provided state medical care exists in that country!)

A little more info taken from the on-line UK EHIC site.

EHIC is not a substitute or replacement for private travel insurance.
Does not cover the costs of private healthcare or services that are not part of the state healthcare system.
Does not cover the costs of being brought back to the UK.
The card may not be used in some regions, as there may be no state provided healthcare available.

The EHIC is normally valid for three to five years.
Covers any medical treatment that becomes necessary during your trip, because of either illness or an accident.
Gives access to state-provided medical treatment only, and you'll be treated on the same basis as an 'insured' person living in the country you're visiting.
Remember, this might not cover all the things you'd expect to get free of charge from the NHS in the UK.
You may have to make a contribution to the cost of your care.

Where to get it
Apply on-line here (http://www.ehic.uk.com/apply.html)

Most folks absolutely do not leave home without a credit or debit card, look upon this as your European basic health card....

Cheers
Tom

Leonidas

06-10-2009, 15:17

UPDATE
NORWEGIAN GROUP BOOKING (Oslo to BDU return)
As some of you know I've approached Norwegian for a group deal on the Oslo to BDU return flights (as posted earlier in this thread), their quotes are higher than the prices we can get from the internet and Norwegian will not budge on the group price they quoted.....and I'm not inclined to waste any more time on the matter :nutkick:

Summary

Group booking
£164
Includes - 2x20kg checked luggage and 1 x 10kg cabin luggage

Upside only 20% deposit now with balance no later than 30 days prior to flight.
Downside £24 more expensive

Book your own directly
£121.30 (Today, price may increase closer to departure date)
Includes - 1 x 10kg cabin luggage (No checked luggage)
Checked luggage £8 return per 20kg (2 x 20kg 'max' would be £16)

Upside is £24 cheaper
Downside needs payment in full at time of booking

In essence the group tariff is £24 per person more expensive than the equivalent individual tariff (£32 if you only check 1 x 20kg piece of luggage)
For a group of 16 that is £384 + which may equates to a sled outing, couple of hot tubs or similar activity :)

If all in favour I'll drop pursuit of the group deal in favour of our booking the Oslo Bardufoss return leg directly :rolleyes:

Cheers
Tom

barryasmith

06-10-2009, 21:48

Leonidas

06-10-2009, 22:02

HI Barry - Have PM's you :)

Tom

Leonidas

06-10-2009, 22:12

Folks going on the Arctic Exped Feb 2010
Please see my earlier post regarding the group flight booking for the Oslo to Bardufoss leg of the Exped being more expensive than booking individually.

I have no problem at all arranging the group booking with Norwegian if there is enough interest....even if it is approx £24 more per person.

We have 5 folks so far who have noted interest for the group booking for the Oslo to Bardufoss leg via Norwegian Airlines.....assume other folk are hiking / train / driving / feather up the provebial :lmao:

Unless you have already done so, please let me know by tomorrow if you want to do a group booking on the dates provided in the previous post.

If we do not get 10 folks interest by the 8th Oct the quote lapses anyway.
Should this occur I'll book my flight directly and advise on cost and options.

Cheers
Tom

john wings

07-10-2009, 00:20

Chris the Cat

07-10-2009, 07:02

Tom,count me in ( if you haven't already!)
My best,and thanks!
Chris.

Leonidas

07-10-2009, 12:57

Tom I applied for the european health insurance card from "Here" and was asked for nearly a tenner to process it.(imap is the set up concerned)
They are available for free.

This is weird, I did not need to pay for mine or my good ladies card...
Even now, when I click the link it takes me to the official EHIC site where no payment is required...

It even states 'The EHIC is issued by the Prescription Pricing Authority (PPA) and is free of charge.'

For some reason the link routed you to a pay channel.....big brother is watching.....:lmao:
Hopefully it is a one off, in any case if anyone has any difficulty please PM me, glad to help.

Tom

gingerscot

07-10-2009, 13:55

Me and my partner are going and have paid the deposit.

hopefully it'll go ahead as I'm really looking forward to it, it'll be a new experience for both of us.

Kit-wise will be interesting. If anyone is offering a spare sleeping bag or bivi then we'll gladly take it! I've got a exped synmat 7 standard which is rated to -17 but not sure how accurate this is and its possibly pushing it.

We'll not spend to much money until its confirmed though, same with flights. We're based in Edinburgh and annoying it seems cheapest to fly down to London first.

Leonidas

08-10-2009, 15:14

UPDATES
NORWEGIAN GROUP BOOKING (QUOTED PRICE FOR GROUP FLIGHT EXPIRES TODAY)
FYI - THE PRICE WILL INCREASE....
As per previous post....I've approached Norwegian for a group deal, the quote is higher than the prices we can get from the internet. (BUT NOT FOR LONG)
i.e. the group quote is IRO £164 per person (Inc 2 x checked bags AND sitting as a group)
(Recall the idea is to only outlay a deposit rather than a full flight at this juncture...)

If you booked a flight yourself YESTERDAY on the web it would have cost you £121...TODAY that same flight is £128.....(Plus check bag charge of £16 rtn for 2 pieces of checked luggage)

By my calculations there are 7 folks interested in the group booking

Tom (Moi)
CdC
Barry + 2
Gingerscot + 1

Unless we get three more for the GROUP Oslo BDU flight 14th <> 20th Feb 2010 the group quote will expire and I'll be booking my flight directly today as the cost has already increased and will continue to do so as we get nearer to Christmas......

FYI - If we do get 10 folks we need to pay a 20% deposit (None refundable), that is approx £33 each.
The deposit must be paid in a single payment so I'll need the deposit from all ten folks 'ahead' of making the booking. (Plus address, contact details, inside leg measurement etc...
See group flight conditions Here (https://www.norwegian.com/flight/group-travel/)

LIFT TO HEATHROW
The offer of a lift to Heathrow airport from North Hampshire (Bordon or en-route) for a flight departure of 0720am or later, is still available. I have room for three plus gear.

GEAR
I have three spare Arctic sleeping bags and one Bivi, they are available to borrow if required. If someone wishes to borrow them I'll be bringing them to Heathrow on the 14th and will expect them back on the 20th (I'll hold your passport in-between :rolleyes: )

Best to everyone
Tom

Leonidas

08-10-2009, 15:20

Folks - Whilst we are in the throes of bolting down logistics recommend you subscribe to this thread and select instant email notification upon update....

Just a thought....

john wings

09-10-2009, 17:56

Something to consider;It may be well advisable if a medical emergency does come to pass that you have to hand rules governing the reciprocal national health rules,in the appropiate language of the country youre visiting;plus a similar card listing a selection of medical symptoms again in the appropiate language, for you to point out to medical staff!:buttkick:
john wings

Gailainne

10-10-2009, 11:25

Guys

Be aware I went into the Norwegian site to book my flights and the take off time on the 14 Feb has changed from 13:15 to 12:35 which has screwed up my plans to use KLM.

The return flight times haven't changed.

Cheers

Stephen

Ahjno

10-10-2009, 12:12

Gailainne

10-10-2009, 15:47

Which model of the Sorel boots did you use Stephen?
Cheers,

Johan

They are called Alpha Trac Pully, but I don't think they make them any more, I got mine in the clearance section at Cabelas, what drew me to them was they are comfortable at -40 deg and they have a inner boot, that can be used as an inside shoe.

Leonidas

10-10-2009, 16:37

Be aware I went into the Norwegian site to book my flights and the take off time on the 14 Feb has changed from 13:15 to 12:35 which has screwed up my plans to use KLM.
The return flight times haven't changed.
Cheers
Stephen

Hi Stephen thanks for flagging the flight change....sorry to hear is snafu's your plans to use KLM.

Fortunately it does not impact the BA flights form Heathrow as per below.
On the up side their is now just over an hour between inbound touch down in BDU and meeting up in the BDU arrivals area.

Below is an updated overview of flights for anyone departing via Heathrow (via BA or another flight with similar departure time)

Outbound leg 14th Feb 2010
Arrive Heathrow (LHR) 0600
Depart LHR 0720 - Arr Oslo-Gardermoen (OSL) 1030 (British Airways BA0762)
Depart OSL 1235 - Arr BDU 1425 (Norwegian Airlines DY394)

RV Bardufoss (BDU) arrivals 1530 14th Feb
HAVE LOADS OF FUN
Dropped of at BDU at 1300 20th Feb

Return leg 20th Feb 2010
Depart BDU 1415 - Arr OSL 1605 (Norwegian Airlines DY395)
Depart OSL 1710 - Arr LHR 1840 (British Airways BA0767)

PS We did not get enough folks for the group Norwegian flight booking :(
Please book directly with Norwegian as required, the group offer price has now expired

Tom

Leonidas

10-10-2009, 17:50

Which model of the Sorel boots did you use Stephen?
Cheers,

Johan

Got a superb deal at Sierra Trading Post for the following plus a load of other bits....

Sorel Blizzard Boots plus rated to -40 they are monster boots...
Got two sizes larger so could replace the standard 10mm liners with Sorels 13mm Glacier inner boots.
Heaven knows what they are rated at now :rolleyes:

The 10mm liners will make toasty sleeping bag booties.
Got the North Face Down Booties are for camp and travelling....

Removed pictures now as slowing loading time :)

Chris the Cat

11-10-2009, 11:15

MSG for Tony realy!
Are we good to go,numbers wise!?
If you give us the nod I shall pay the outstanding amount
and get booking my flights!
Many thanks.
Chris.

Tony

12-10-2009, 09:55

hi Mate, we still need another 5, there's quite a few info packs that have gone out and a number of people saying they're going to come, we're just waiting to see.

I'm surprised, especially due to the interest we got on here and via email, we'll see :D

if anyone is interested in coming to the Arctic because you want to have a great life experience let me know :D

Peterlee_Paddler

12-10-2009, 14:37

I'm going to work in a few minutes and will get my holidays confirmed and will pay the money when I get back tonight.

Chris the Cat

12-10-2009, 15:11

Good work that man!
C da C.

Peterlee_Paddler

14-10-2009, 00:53

I've just sent the money via bank transfer, so now all I need to worry about is how to get there :)

Leonidas

15-10-2009, 11:18

I've just sent the money via bank transfer, so now all I need to worry about is how to get there :)

Hi PP - Note! The group deal discussed earlier was for the 2nd leg of the journey only.
As we did not get enough interest in time (10) the group deal quote lapsed.

Not sure of your departure port but seems many of us will meet up at Oslo (OSL) at some point for the second leg from Oslo to Bardufoss (BDU).
There is one carrier at this point, Norwegian.....

Ironically booking individually is £20/£30 cheaper than a group deal. However is does include two pieces of checked luggage and we all get to sit together.....(Bless)

The only thing I could suggest to everyone is that as soon as we get 10 names prepared to place a deposit down for a the Norwegian airlines flight that i ask for another quote....

BUT! prior to the end of the month I'll be booking the 2nd leg with Norwegian in any case as the price will probably go up....

Tom

Peterlee_Paddler

15-10-2009, 13:39

Thanks Tom.
Well I'm up for a group flight, for one.

Cheers.

Leonidas

15-10-2009, 14:43

I've requested another quote today for the following flight....

Provided I get confirmation from at least 10 folks on the Arctic Exped and then a 20% I'll book the group flight.
More than 10 can be included.....others can join the group booking later as required....
Once deposit paid you simply provide the name of the group booking (supplied later) then exchange your details directly with Norwegian airlines....

Cheers
Tom

Chris the Cat

15-10-2009, 15:12

I,m in Tom,would like to get this all sewn up and paid for!
Do you know if we have the numbers to get this exped off the ground?!
My best.
Chris.

Leonidas

15-10-2009, 15:28

Re Exped off the ground....

By my count we are at 12 folks with Peterlee_Paddler joining us (Nice one) ....
(Tony wade in here at any point if info differs)

Net net we need another 4 folks....

I reached yesterday / today to some folks outside of BCUK (Search and rescue types :) ) and their is interest.
Question for the folks already booked, is there anyone you might consider reaching out too?
A friend, family member etc, who might relish the opportunity?

Might be prudent to let folks on the general forum know we have 12 signed up and only 4 spaces left?
Some folks leave these things to the last minute....might as well give them every opportunity to join us in what can only be described as a unique life experience....
Also some folks are motivated a little more when the opportunity is near to closing :rolleyes:

Chris the Cat

15-10-2009, 15:37

Good point! I tried a 'shout ' to the open BCUK forum (I think you came on board with helpfull comments!?)
Will ask around.
Cheers.
Chris.

coln18

15-10-2009, 17:57

Tony

15-10-2009, 18:48

There's 4 or more of you from Scotland now :D Used to the cold :D

coln18

15-10-2009, 19:11

yep me and the family are sitting round an ice cube to get warmed up for a cold night, cut from the north we are - mmm that reminds me i must dig my -40 sleeping bag out for the trip, im fine but the top of my napper due to a thinning hairdo needs it....

Leonidas

15-10-2009, 19:52

you can make that lucky 13, deposit paid

looking forward to meeting all you guys,

is there anyone else going from Scotland for flights ect, just briefly looked into it.

anyway speak to you all later

Colin Newman

Great news that you are joining the exped Colin.
Scotland you say.....Well, when we do get to Bardufoss do not let that giant glowing ball phase you, it's the sun....:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Tom

Chris the Cat

15-10-2009, 20:48

Great news Colin!
How many left now,two?
C da C.

wolf man

16-10-2009, 13:15

I want to come.....

Just PM'd Tony asking for a place, as soon as he gets back to me, i'll get a deposit to him.

What are you guys doing about footwear, apart from plastic climbing boots, i really do not have anything suitable for he conditions.

Tony: Is it still possible to hire boots???

Look forward to seeing you guys

stuartlafferty

16-10-2009, 13:19

Tony

16-10-2009, 13:30

Yeah, we can sort out boots for hire etc. When it comes to kit there's a couple of options for hiring, i'll get more info up very soon.

Chris the Cat

16-10-2009, 13:34

Wolfman,Re-boots,I use German surplus army mountatin boots,two sizes larger,will a felt or sheepskin insole and two pairs of mountaineering,wool based socks (one pair the size up from my usual).
Hope this helps.
Chris.

Chris the Cat

16-10-2009, 13:35

How many do we need now Tony! Just the one??
C da C.

Leonidas

16-10-2009, 14:45

Hello, I'm raising that 13 and making it 14! Deposit paid and now trying to catch up with you guys on the organisation front!

Tom, I'm in for the group booking for the Oslo to Bardfoss leg of the trip. I probably try and get the same flights from Heathrow as well. I live near Luton, but unfortunately no flights to Oslo depart for there. Out of interest do you know which Olso airport the flights to Bardfoss go from? Ryanair quote 2 Olso airports, Torp and Rygge (knowing Ryanair neither will actually be that near Oslo!)

Look forward to meeting up with you all at the briefing.

Stu

Great news that you are joining Stu
Re the airport, not sure about other ports but the one I've been banging on about previously in the thread is 'OSL' also known as Gardermoen.
This may not suit everyone.
Some UK carriers flights may go to the other Oslo airport, if you take one of these you will needs to leave time for baggage reclaim and arrange transfers between airports...

Watch this space.

Tom

Leonidas

16-10-2009, 15:10

Folks - When we hit the number which should trigger the briefing, I'll post a summary of logistics...
At this point hopefully we can also get the group OSL to BDU flight off the ground :rolleyes:

Tom

peds8045

16-10-2009, 16:15

I have just sent my deposit via bank transfer so i guess i may be in. I announced my intentions last night.

Tony has sent me the T's & C's, do i need to send the Next of kin form straight away?

peds8045

16-10-2009, 16:23

Furthermore i could be up for the group flight from Oslo to Bardufoss .....but i haven't even looked into the flight fro UK to Oslo yet. Can i get there from Birmingham?

Leonidas

16-10-2009, 16:52

Furthermore i could be up for the group flight from Oslo to Bardufoss .....but i haven't even looked into the flight fro UK to Oslo yet. Can i get there from Birmingham?

Had a quick look on Expedia and Opoda for direct flights from Birmingham BHX to Oslo OSL on Feb 14th 2010 returning Feb 20 1010, no direct flights showed up at the times required to make the connecting flight.

Either:-

I missed some flights...(Flight needs to be in Oslo OSL no later than 11.30am in order to make the connection...Also need to make return connection :) )
Depart Saturday 13th stay overnight in Oslo...
Depart from another UK airport.

Recommend you check other departure airports using Expedia / Opodo or go direct to a flight carriers site i.e. British Airways

Here is a reminder of the latest connections that need to be made if we are to make the rendezvous time at BDU.

Connect TO 2nd Outbound leg 14th Feb 2010 from Oslo
Depart OSL 1235 - Arr BDU 1425 (Norwegian Airlines DY394)

RV Bardufoss (BDU) arrivals 1530 14th Feb
HAVE LOADS OF FUN
Dropped of at BDU at 1300 20th Feb

Connect FROM 1st Return leg 20th Feb 2010 to Oslo
Depart BDU 1415 - Arr OSL 1605 (Norwegian Airlines DY395)

Tom

stuartlafferty

16-10-2009, 17:57

Cheers Tom. As I suspected Ryanair don't fly to Gardermoen (who'd have thought Oslo would have 3 airports!). I'll do some research and get back to you regarding the UK to Oslo leg of the journey. I'm definitely in for the Oslo onwards group booking. Cheers Stu

Great news that you are joining Stu
Re the airport, not sure about other ports but the one I've been banging on about previously in the thread is 'OSL' also known as Gardermoen.
This may not suit everyone.
Some UK carriers flights may go to the other Oslo airport, if you take one of these you will needs to leave time for baggage reclaim and arrange transfers between airports...

Watch this space.

Tom

GearGuru

16-10-2009, 22:45

Have we hit the required quota?

Leonidas

16-10-2009, 22:54

Looks like 16?
Over to Tony :)

Tom

GearGuru

16-10-2009, 23:07

are these the right boots or cheap copies>?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150379522957&ih=005&category=63850&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Chris the Cat

17-10-2009, 12:31

They certainly look like mine fella!
make sure you get a bigger size for extra socks! Tight boots mean cold feet in the Arctic!
My best.
Chris.

coln18

18-10-2009, 17:33

any update yet guys, on the required numbers for trip.

peds8045

18-10-2009, 17:50

I'm twitching here waiting to book my 1st leg of the flight:) Looks like i'm going to Oslo on the Saturday and spend the night in an airport hotel before getting the connection North the next day.

Chris the Cat

18-10-2009, 18:09

Hurry up Tone!!
Yer killing me here!
Cheers.
Chris

barryasmith

18-10-2009, 21:15

Hi all.

I'm on the trip and looking forward to heading north. I was up in Sweden for a week in February this year and had a great time. The coldest we got down to was -35 and it was good fun. I thought I'd share a few comments about the best bits of kit I took up there and will be taking with me on this trip. PM or post if you want anything further.

Footwear: I wore the new British army cold weather pro boots. I am a 12 and picked them in a 14 for £25. With a felt insole (home made) and two pairs of British army artic socks (white with a red band at the top). My feet were pretty much warm all of the time in this combo.

Base layer: Ullfrotte 200gram top and bottoms - wicked toasty warm all of the time. I also took some cheaper wool long johns but they were cack. Dutch army half wool tops from Endicotts are as good as the Ullfrotte (in my humble opinion..)

Trousers: Fjallraven Forester padded trousers. These over the 200gram long johns were ample at all times. If you wanted something cheaper then the german army padded moleskins are a good option.

Mid layer: Thick wool jumper (from Fat Face that well know outdoor supplier) with a button up neck for regulating temperature.

Jacket: Trakker fishing jacket similar to snugpak sleeka. The British army softie jacket would also be perfect. I wore this most of the time over my jumper and base layer.

Outer layer: On the bottom half I wore either swedish snow cammo trousers or german army goretex trousers - I picked these up off ebay for about £20. On top I had a British army goretex jacket about 400 sizes too big for me so it could go over everything else. This was great but this time I will only be adding a snow smock as an alternative windproof shell.

Gloves: British army goretex lined leather gloves and a thin silk liner.

Mitts: British army outer mitts with a wool inner (another ebay purchase - Army surplus form Finland).

Gaiters: British army (again) snow gaiters (ebay of course) cost about £9

Thats it I guess. I managed to do it pretty cheap in the end other than the Fjallraven and ullfrotte stuff but it was worth the money and will get used in the UK through the winter so I am happy with the investment.

One last comment.. I was told by a friend of mine who has spent time in Norway to avoid German kit with flags or insignia as there are still some sensitivities about this. I dont know how accurate this is but I thought it was worth passing on given I have reccomended a few items of German kit.

All the best and looking forward to meeting up with everyone there.

Barry

GearGuru

18-10-2009, 21:19

good tips Barry:o

Tony

19-10-2009, 09:42

One more guys :D There's still a few that i'm expecting to get back to me so it shouldn't be long :D

Leonidas

19-10-2009, 10:58

Tony - I read your last message...

Now I can't get Shaggy's record 'tease me' out of my mind.....not sure why :lmao:

Tom

wolf man

19-10-2009, 15:16

I'm coming :D :D :D Just paid my deposit.

Do we know what the total numbers are?, and anything about the breifing?

Can't wait, i'm so looking forward to this, just need to go out and get some kit (as if I need and excuse).

Leonidas

19-10-2009, 15:19

Mum.....Are we there yet?....:rolleyes:

Tom

Peterlee_Paddler

21-10-2009, 13:16

Just to let you's know that the muppets at pipex have disconnected my internet access so may not be able to log-in for two days but am most definately still on for the group flight!!!
Also, my brother wants to come on this trip so he will be registering with BCUK this afternoon some time. If, as a newbie, he cannot gain immediate access then as soon as I get back online I'll sort out his deposit from my end, just to confirm his place.
Cheers.

Peterlee_Paddler

21-10-2009, 14:14

Right, pipex gremlins sorted, I now need to sort some kit hire to cut down on my travel allowance, as does my brother (he's just text'd me saying his deposit is paid).
Who do we get in touch with about hire?
I'll post this on the other thread in case I am in the wrong place.

Cheers.

McGarley

21-10-2009, 14:18

Hello All,

I'm coming, just paid the deposit.

Tony I think you have been on the Hoffband long enough, time to change!!

Peterlee_Paddler

21-10-2009, 14:36

You takin' the p..h
Change to WHO?!
Peterlee has just upgraded from tin cans and tight string ... :(
Glad you're in though.
Feet-wise, we'll need size 14's for this trip.
Getting ready for work now, will log back in at midnight and check further.

Leonidas

21-10-2009, 14:40

Well that makes 16 or 17 now signed up by my calculation (Subject to deposits being paid....) :grouphug:
Tony...come out, come out, wherever you are....:dunno:

Tom

Peterlee_Paddler

21-10-2009, 15:04

Tom, you any idea where I can book-up kit hire?
Back later.

Cheers.

Tony

21-10-2009, 15:31

Yep, that's 16 :D All go, full steam ahead....and all that :D

I'll come back to you soon on the hire stuff.

Leonidas

21-10-2009, 15:35

Yep, that's 16 :D All go, full steam ahead....and all that :D

I'll come back to you soon on the hire stuff.

:notworthy :beerchug: :red: :headbang: :approve: nuff said really

Tom

coln18

21-10-2009, 19:02

thats great news! i cant wait any longer Tone, thats 3 days now ive just stared at a blank screen waiting, Can we leave for the airport yet - what do you mean, not till february 2010.

Oh well back to sitting inside the fridge training for february 2010...

Col....

peds8045

21-10-2009, 20:37

Tom,

If you are still going for the group buy flight from Oslo northwards then i am interested. Thanks in advance.:)

Pete

coln18

21-10-2009, 21:45

ditto on the group flight from Oslo

Col....

peve3

21-10-2009, 22:07

Group buy for me also !!,

Just to confirm now we have the numbers what airline provider are people going with from old blighty ? I take it we can book the flight now without chance of cancellations !!

gingerscot

21-10-2009, 23:21

Wohoo!

Me and my partner are also in on the group travel if its cheaper ofcourse and slightly depending on connection flights from Edinburgh. Is my partner going to be the only female? :P

Chris the Cat

22-10-2009, 07:02

peds8045

22-10-2009, 07:32

I'm flying to Oslo on the Sat evening and staying in an airport hotel ready for the northbound flight on the Sunday. I am only doing this as it means i can use a load of air miles i have with BA and get a relativley cheap flight there and back, i.e. £75.00 return LHR to Oslo plus £70.00 for the hotel. Still cheaper than the early morning single leg for the same journey.:D If any of you have the miles it requires 15000 of the blighters.

Leonidas

22-10-2009, 09:29

I'm in touch with my 'feminine side',if that helps!!?
Tom,any chance you could run the London HR to Oslo (return) bit
by me again! Have to try and do all this booking on the comp. and
I am rubbish at this sort of thing and don't want to mess it up!!
Did you go for insureandgo's Gold cover?
Thanks mate.
My best.
Chris.

Chris - I opted for insureandgo's silver cover...IMO gold was OTT.
As for the filghts...here is what I've booked..(Please ensure you double and triple check your own arrangements)

LHR - London Heathrow
OSL - Oslo-Gardermoen
BDU - Bardufosss

14th Feb 2010

Depart LHR 0720 - Arr OSL 1030 (British Airways BA0762)
Depart OSL 1235 - Arr BDU 1425 (Norwegian Airlines DY394)
Meet up at BDU arrivals 1530 14th Feb

20th Feb 2010

Dropped of at BDU at 1300 20th Feb
Depart BDU 1415 - Arr OSL 1605 (Norwegian Airlines DY395)
Depart OSL 1710 - Arr LHR 1840 (British Airways BA0767)

Tom

Leonidas

23-10-2009, 10:34

OK got another group flight quote from Norwegian for the OSL to BDU return leg of the trip

Note
Some folks have shown interest
Some folks have shown interest if it is cheaper than booking direct
Some folks have yet to note any interest

The group offer email

BRUK ARCTIC NM: 0
DY 394 G 14FEB 7 OSLBDU HK10 1235 1425
DY 395 G 20FEB 6 BDUOSL HK10 1415 1605
Fare pr. person included tax will be NOK 1504.-
Totalfare included tax will be NOK 15.040.-
Deposit is 20% of total fare.

Included in the group price is 2 pieces of luggage of max 20 kg per piece per person.
We allow 1 piece of cabin luggage, max 10 kg (55x40x20cm)

Please note that we only accept payment in currency given in the offer above.

---------------------------------------------------------------------
We hope the offer will be of interest and ask for confirmation within 29 october 09
----------------------------------------------------------------------

If we do not hear from you by then, the offer will be cancelled.

In summary:
The group offer

£164 per person (£39 deposit)

The equivalent direct booking is (Today (Fluctuates due to NOK exchange rates))

Flight £126
2 x 20kg pieces of checked luggage £16
Named seat £8 (We get to sit as a group)
Total £150 (£150 paid at time of booking)

Next Steps
If we get 10 folks names who want to book the group flight we can proceed.
So far:

peve3
coln18
peds8045
Peterlee_Paddler
Chris the Cat
Stuartlafferty
barryasmith
leonidas (Tom)

need two more

Tom

Peterlee_Paddler

23-10-2009, 11:58

I'm sure my brother will want in on this;- I'll phone him now.

Peterlee_Paddler

23-10-2009, 12:08

Yup, he's on for this, so ...

peve3
coln18
peds8045
Peterlee_Paddler
Chris the Cat
Stuartlafferty
barryasmith
leonidas (Tom)
McGarley

Need one more :)

coln18

23-10-2009, 15:30

how are we to pay for the group booking tom?

QUESTION NO 2. where has every one got their insurance from?

and finally which airport do you fly from, i believe oslo has at least 3

col....

Leonidas

23-10-2009, 16:03

QUESTION NO 2. where has every one got their insurance from?

Col - Please go here (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=586577&postcount=33) It is earlier in this thread. :rolleyes:

Google Insureand go.....all one word, your choice, but suggest you take a look at silver single trip travel ;)

Tom

Leonidas

23-10-2009, 16:17

how are we to pay for the group booking tom?
col....

Col - The T&C's for the group booking can be viewed here (http://www.norwegian.com/flight/group-travel/)

Which airport do you fly from, i believe oslo has at least 3 ?col....

Oslo Gardermoen Airport (OSL) (http://www.oslo-osl.airports-guides.com/)

If it is not this airport then Houston we have a problem.......:twak:
In all seriousness I've been careful to check and recheck airport codes......but at the end of the day it is down to each of us to check the details ;)

Tom

Leonidas

23-10-2009, 16:18

Tony - Might be an idea to gather up all questions and subsequent answers for the briefing pack?
You can then distribute accordingly ahead of time?

Let me know :cool:

Tom

BushEd

23-10-2009, 16:18

Alright guys. Signed up yesterday; deposit should be paid next week when i get some payments in. Can't wait for this trip, and its a complete bargain!!!

Have been sorting out kit for it and in terms of clothing i think i'm pretty much sweet (boots might be a touch tighter with the amount of socks but i dont think its worth buying new ones.

Got a question about sleeping stuff though. i have a pretty good 3 season bag, and i have a homemade hammock cocoon (using a poncho and a mattress topper) - if i wrapped the cocoon around the bag, plus a silk liner, would this be warm enough? Also my thermarest is rated at 3 seasons i think so is it worth getting a 5 season army roll mat?

Anyone else planning on flying with Ryanair from stansted?

Leonidas

23-10-2009, 16:26

Have been sorting out kit for it and in terms of clothing i think i'm pretty much sweet (boots might be a touch tighter with the amount of socks but i dont think its worth buying new ones.

Got a question about sleeping stuff though. i have a pretty good 3 season bag, and i have a homemade hammock cocoon (using a poncho and a mattress topper) - if i wrapped the cocoon around the bag, plus a silk liner, would this be warm enough? Also my thermarest is rated at 3 seasons i think so is it worth getting a 5 season army roll mat?

Excellent news Ed
I'd urge caution re the boots, tight boots mean less than optimum circulation, also less air gaps....
That environment + an extremety (feet) + next to the cold surface, could = frostbite or have an impact upon your enjoyment :(

5 season rollmat definitely....you need insulation between you and the heat wicking surface....

Sleeping bag.....mmm....I'd borrow an army Arctic bag for the trip if I were you.....

Just my opinion ;)

Tom

DavidJT

23-10-2009, 17:45

Hi guys, not coming on this one, wish I could. Hopefully make one of the future expeds.
Just wanted to point out that having flown with Ryan Air to Oslo (Torp), I seem to remember it's quite far from Gardemoen, maybe about 2hrs?
Just wanted let you know as would hate anyone to miss their connection.
Have a fantastic trIp yo jammy b*****ds!

BushEd

24-10-2009, 00:57

hmmm well, ill see what the boots feel like when i get my new arctic socks (damn postage strike). And it looks like you can rent arctic boots and sleeping bags there, works out about the same cost as buying new of either for the 7 days. Decisions....

GearGuru

24-10-2009, 01:04

Just bought a couple of pairs of thinsulate lined trousers from aldi - a bargain a 10 quid a piece :)

peds8045

25-10-2009, 18:46

Tom, I have a query regarding the baggage allowance on the Oslo to BDU flights.

I, like you, am planning on flying the first leg from LHR to OSLO on BA whose baggage allowance for hold baggage is 23kg (one bag) when i then transfer onto the Oslo to BDU flight i will still only have one bag at 23kg so how will i take advantage of the two 20kg bags rules on the Norwegian air flight?

I may be missing something here but the Norwegion air rules implies two bags each with a maximum of 20kg, therefore in theory i need to limit my checkin bag with BA to 20kg also, otherwise i'll be over at the Norweigian air desk.

It seems to me that unless we pay for extra baggage allowance with BA then all we can take is the 23kg plus hand baggage. The 23kg will in theory be overweight for the BDU flight.

I guess what i'm asking really is the practicality of having a 40kg hold baggage allowance for only one leg of the journey (to/from BDU). Or am i missing something?:confused:

Leonidas

25-10-2009, 19:38

Totally understand your question...

If folks are packing everything into one 20kg bag then great....and the Norwegian checked allowance may seem excess to requirements....
The Norwegian group quote just happens to include a 2 x 20kg checked bag allowance.......the group quote does not come without it......

It could be useful, if like me you are going to carry quite a bit of hand luggage on-board then transfer some of it to checked for the Norwegian flight.....

In reality it is more cost effective for everyone to book their own flights direct with Norwegian....
I was surprised folks still had interest in the group booking...I suspect folks are interested as only a 20% deposit is required up front...

I do not mind either way......;)

With the above in mind I am very interested to know what to expect for the transfer from BDU airport to our final destination, I have a very large kit bag that will take packed rucksack plus all required gear.....however it is not clear yet if we need to carry our kit or if it will be hauled for us?

If gear is hauled I'll be packing everything into a large kit bag....if not I will take a different strategy....
Hoping this becomes clear at the briefing.

Tom

BushEd

28-10-2009, 11:52

Deposit paid :D

Just got some softie thermals and wool baselayers. Toastie!!!

Oh Tom you were right about my boots, tried to put them on with thin bl socks, then two pairs thermal, was like trying to squeeze my foot into a breeze block.

Anyone recommend some cheap cold weather boots?

Chris the Cat

28-10-2009, 12:50

German army para boots,(surplus) One and a half -two sizes too big!
Chris.

Leonidas

28-10-2009, 13:35

Do a search on evilbay for Mukluk Thermal Field Boots
Currently selling for £28.99 INCLUDING postage up to size 11.5 I believe....
Comes with liners (Would still get a larger size for layered thinner socks)

An alternative are these bad boys Fox Ice Boots (http://www.preisroboter.de/ergebnis4463058.html) at only 37.9 Euro plus shipping....rated to -40....:D

FYI - I am packing thin and medium long socks, not thick socks...recall...it is the layers that trap the heat, not a single thick layer.

As with any advice the decision is your, however Mukluks are very good for the money and supplemented with layered socks should see your toes toasty....
I have elected to use Sorel Ice Boots which are Mukluks on steroids...:rolleyes:

Tom

stuartlafferty

29-10-2009, 11:13

Hi Tom, what's the status with the group booking? I noted the quote runs out today and at last count there were 9 interested. If we're doing the group booking I'll get you the deposit I can do a bank transfer. If not I think I'll book this weekend otherwise I'll keep putting it off and it'll be 2 weeks before we go and i still wont have booked...!

Leonidas

29-10-2009, 19:52

Hi Stuart - Still hovering at 9 folks...
If we still do not have 10 folks when the quote expires I'll advise everyone book directly.

Thanks for the reminder ;)

Tom

Leonidas

13-11-2009, 22:11

Hi Folks - Tis great to be back online :)

Just to let Arctic Exped folks know that the group Norwegian Oslo to Bardufoss group flight deal has expired.

Please ensure you book your flight directly.
Booked mine last weekend and the flight price is the cheapest I've seen it over the last few months.

Have a good weekend everyone.....
Next milestone - Pre briefing, can't wait :rolleyes:

Tom

BushEd

14-11-2009, 02:57

Hi there guys, two things:

I have a pair of size 12 Sorel Badger Boots up for grabs, they're a touch too big for me so gonna get another pair. Great condition - £40.

And what do people reckon to this coat:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390114930657&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Its obviously not a genuine Peak Performance jacket, but reckon it will still be as good?

Chris the Cat

14-11-2009, 10:09

Leave the jacket mate!! ( see my other post where you ask about it!)

My best.
Chris.
P.s Hi ya Tom!

Leonidas

14-11-2009, 10:18

For an appropriate jacket up to £50 I'd consider the following

Schott Extreme Parka (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Schott-NY-Extreme-cold-insulated-Parka_W0QQitemZ140358315473QQc mdZViewItemQQptZMen_s_Clothes? hash=item20ae01edd1#ht_500wt_1 182) is a good make.

Tried and trused option would be M65 Fishtail Parka (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GENUINE-US-ARMY-M65-FISHTAIL-PARKA-BRAND-NEW-UNISSUED-L_W0QQitemZ200402806811QQcmdZV iewItemQQptZUK_Collectables_Mi litaria_LE?hash=item2ea8f0281b #ht_1375wt_1166) or the N3B Parka in Olive (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/US-MILITARY-OLIVE-SNORKEL-N3B-POLAR-PARKA-JACKET-N-3B_W0QQitemZ170394550340QQcmdZ ViewItemQQptZMen_s_Clothes?var =&hash=item6d6e32b3d8#ht_1634wt_ 940) or in black. (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/US-MILITARY-BLACK-SNORKEL-N3B-POLAR-PARKA-JACKET-N-3B_W0QQitemZ350253428321QQcmdZ ViewItemQQptZMen_s_Clothes?var =&hash=item905ae5404a#ht_1678wt_ 940)

Both M65 and N3B (N-3B) are proven very cold weather outer clothing.
Also if the thought of the fishtail puts you off....they do provide an insulating layer when you sit down..... ;)

I am very lucky and got a North Face down Ice jacket at a good price...prior to getting it I looked at a lot of jackets and the N3B was the front runner for the money.

Hope this helps
Tom

coln18

14-11-2009, 11:46

Leonidas

14-11-2009, 12:02

just checking to see whos planning on travelling to Hereford for the briefing on November 28th. As i life in Scotland, i dont really fancy travelling all the way down if im the only one attending. Do you think it would be better just getting the info through the post..

Col.....

I'll be attending, not as long a journey as yours Col but it is still a 300 mile round trip from my location.
Anyway you are closer to Norway....:lmao:

(I've cut short a business trip to the US to make sure I can attend....... :) )
There will always be another business trip.....:rolleyes:

I'm based in Bordon North Hampshire just off the A3 between Guildford and Portsmouth), anyone wanting to join me on the foray is welcome.

Depending on the time of the briefing I may travel down overnight and kip in the car.......

See you there
Tom

peds8045

14-11-2009, 14:07

I'm planning on attending the briefing as long as i don't have to work that weekend which itself depends on the amount of progress we make in the week ( i'm involved with three weeks of vehicle trials in Dorset) I think i should be OK though.

peve3

14-11-2009, 18:40

Leonidas

14-11-2009, 19:49

I'll be attending the briefing, would be great if I could meet up with someone and share travel costs would be coming from the Farnborough area.

Edit :
Leonidas just noticed Bordon is pretty close to me, you wanna share the travel ?

No probs.....I was hoping folks would like to join in with the trip, you are literally 20 > 25 minutes :drive: away.

Tom

GearGuru

15-11-2009, 00:04

I thought I might Make a weekend of it and go and stay at the bushcraft campsite on the Wye. As I've got to travel some distance - Didn't know if any of you wanted to join me, good chance to meet etc.. Need to get my lavu and stove out

Cheers Chris

Chris the Cat

15-11-2009, 09:00

On a slightly different matter..
Anyone traveling up to Heathrow early on the Sunday morning for the 7.20 flight
from the West country? I can't find a way of getting up there that early and so may have to go up as late as I can on Sat evening and kip in the airport!!
Cheers.
Chris.

peds8045

15-11-2009, 20:09

All flights booked, hotel in Oslo for the Saturday night, looking forward to the briefing......now i need to get some kit......beg, steal or borrow:)

Chris the Cat

17-11-2009, 10:56

Anyone traveling on the Sunday morning flight out of Heathrow with myself and Tom (Leonidas.)?
Cheers.
Chris.

Leonidas

17-11-2009, 12:52

Lidl are doing a special on snow goggles....gloves and thermal baselayers etc

I would not touch the gloves for the exped but have bought the goggles at £6.99, they are as good as more expensive pairs (UV etc)....and if they get damaged......at that price...ah well.
Also I would not use the baselayers for the exped as they are cotton.....
However I have got some for UK general use, at £3.99......no brainer.

Link here (http://www.lidl.co.uk/uk/home.nsf/pages/c.o.20091116.p.Ski_and_Snowboa rd_Goggles.ar2)

Tom

Leonidas

17-11-2009, 13:10

All flights booked, hotel in Oslo for the Saturday night, looking forward to the briefing......now i need to get some kit......beg, steal or borrow:)

GearGuru has bagsies on one of my Arctic sleeping bags....but I have another which is a Dutch 58 pattern, if we can work out logistics it is there to be borrowed.....(might consider reasonable offers)

Anyway - CDC made some valid comments re older down bags (See this thread (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/newforum/showthread.php?t=47144&highlight=sleeping))

However this one is dry and the down is in excellent condition, it has hardly been used, one chap I lent it too did put a very small cigarette hole in it the outer layer lower top (Git) but other than than it is in great condition, the integrated waterproof base is also in good condition and it will keep anyone toasty.

In any case the offer is there :)

Tom

Gailainne

17-11-2009, 13:19

Anyone traveling on the Sunday morning flight out of Heathrow with myself and Tom (Leonidas.)?
Cheers.
Chris.

Looks like I will be, I'm flying down the day before to spend the day with family.

Can't get a connecting flight back up to Scotland on the 20th tho :(, so may spend a night in Oslo and fly home on the Sunday, we'll see.

Stephen

Shewie

18-11-2009, 18:26

Ben from Woodsmoke is selling a pair of unworn Jack Wolfskin snow boots in a size 12 for £40 if anyone's interested.

http://www.woodsmoke.uk.com/p/v/news/

Chris the Cat

19-11-2009, 08:29

Tom,don't suppose you could pick me up a pair of googles if you are passing Lidl!
None near my neck of the woods!!
No worries either way tho mate.
My best.
Chris.

Leonidas

19-11-2009, 11:12

Will try to get to Aldi today or ask the missus to pick up a pair if any left....
I fly tomorrow first thing, not sure Aldi has made it to Florida :)

Tom

Chris the Cat

19-11-2009, 13:52

No worries mate!
Have a good time.
Chris.

Leonidas

19-11-2009, 15:55

Tom,don't suppose you could pick me up a pair of googles if you are passing Lidl!
None near my neck of the woods!!
No worries either way tho mate.
My best.
Chris.

Chris My good lady has secured a very nice pair of mens goggles from Lidl this afternoon, I'll bring them to the pre-meet or airport on the 14th :)

Tom

Chris the Cat

19-11-2009, 17:07

You are a very nice man! (and so is your wife,but without the 'man' bit!!)
Thanks a lot Tom!
(I see you bought that Helle Leuko! You must let me know what you think,I love Helle knives,interested to see if you think the handle is a bit short!)
My best.
Chris.

Leonidas

19-11-2009, 21:16

interested to see if you think the handle is a bit short!

If it is, it won't be for very long :)
Got some lovely spalted beech set aside if required.....;)

Tom

PS - Bought it to get a feel for the style, I'll be forging some blades Leuko etc....to take on the exped over Christmas :)

Leonidas

19-11-2009, 22:57

If anyone is interested I'll be bringing back a load of (approx 100) fire-steels in a variety of sizes.
Will post more info when I get back...

I have also ordered dozens of self heating hand and toe warmers.....fits in your gloves or boots....for the exped, again if there is any interest let me know.

Cheers
Tom

Chris the Cat

20-11-2009, 11:38

Interested in your forged Leuko style knife Tom! ( very keen on the 'just out of the forge' finish, Like Dave Budds knives.)
Please keep me up to date!!
My best.
Chris.

barryasmith

23-11-2009, 16:01

Hi

I cant make it to the briefing so can someone ask a couple of questions for me please and let me know the replies?

Do I need to take a snow shovel or is one provided?

Will we be using Skis? (impacts the footwear I take)

Can I take a large holdall and a big day sack instead of a rucksack? (I find it easier to manage my stuff in a holdall)

Thanks

Barry

Tony

23-11-2009, 17:32

You're welcome to bring a snow shovel although they will be provided as needed and i'm fairly sure there's no Skis, but we can check :D

barryasmith

23-11-2009, 18:07

You're welcome to bring a snow shovel although they will be provided as needed and i'm fairly sure there's no Skis, but we can check :D

Tony, thanks for the response. I have added another question about holdalls/rucksacks. I'd prefer to take a 90 litre holdall if there isn't lots of trekking with all my gear required.

Assuming we'll be using the tents as a base and then off for trips out during the day or overnight I can just take what I need out in my 45 litre day sack.

Cheers

Barry

Chris the Cat

23-11-2009, 19:06

What Barry said!
Cheers.
Chris.

Tony

24-11-2009, 08:39

Chris the Cat

24-11-2009, 08:48

Cheers Tone.
Chris.

barryasmith

24-11-2009, 08:48

I'll get back to you on that one although I think it will be ok as there won't be any need to carry big things very far, they'll be moved for you if we're moving about other than day trips etc.

I'll check.

Thanks Tony. Shame I am missing out on the pre trip brief but I have family stuff on that I need to be around for.

Regards

Barry

coln18

24-11-2009, 09:09

I am defo in for the pre briefing, coming down from scotland for it.

just a quick show of hands to see what numbers we can expect for the briefing?

really looking forward to meeting some like minded fools who would spend their hard earned wages on sitting in a field of snow for a week. complete unbridled joyfull madness or what!

Col......

wolf man

24-11-2009, 09:55

I'll be going for the briefing.

It'll be good to put faces to the names and swap info.

See you there

Peterlee_Paddler

24-11-2009, 10:12

I phoned the company yesterday to arrange to try on the two items of kit that I'd like to hire, and also to ask if I'd be collecting the kit on the other side, but the woman that answered didn't know.
It's a ten-hour trip for me so I'd like assuring about a couple of things before I commit to the briefing.

coln18

24-11-2009, 10:19

10 hour round trip?

man your almost a local (he he)

Col....

Tony

24-11-2009, 11:45

Tony, The kit that will be hired will be in country so you'll not have the opportunity to try it on at the briefing, I'll check with Woody to make sure that i'm right but that's my understanding.

After the briefing date and at the briefing of course (irrelevant of you being there or not) Woody will be available to answer more questions directly. If anyone that's not going to be there has questions let us have them, I think that Tom (Leonidas) has compiled some as well and Woody can answer them

Leonidas

24-11-2009, 23:13

I think that Tom (Leonidas) has compiled some as well and Woody can answer them

Hi Folks - Apologies for not coming back to you sooner, I am out of the country at the moment.

Tony is totally correct i have started compiling a question and answer document.
Anyone who cannot attend the briefing feel free to PM your questions and we can share the responses from the briefing :)

Cheers
Tom

Chris the Cat

26-11-2009, 08:38

Folks,I can't make this after all! ( Wife on call untill 2pm,two and a half hour drive from me,
guess in would be over by 4.30pm? )
Please let me know what goes on fellas!
Look forward to meeting you all soon!
Cheers.
Chris

GearGuru

26-11-2009, 17:58

Sorry guys I'll have to give this a miss - too many things too little time!!

coln18

26-11-2009, 19:15

think i will pass on the briefing then, was going to drive down from Scotland if the majority of you guys were going to the briefing, as a kind of meet and greet. But seems a long drive there and back to sit in a room yourself...

never mind, im sure we will all meet soon enough...

Those that are attending the briefihng, have fun and remember - lots of questions

all the best Colin....

timboggle

26-11-2009, 19:58

Just a heads up for guys coming to Hereford this weekend - I've got some cold weather/arctic gear that might interest you for sale in the classifieds going cheaper if picked up while your in town, ie, no p+p and paypal costs, otherwise, have a safe and enjoyable trip - your in the best of hands with Woody and BE.

peds8045

26-11-2009, 21:32

As there appears to be a few people pulling out of the briefing, i would like to re-state my intention to travel for the briefing.

Could we have a quick repeat of who IS going, don't want to be the only one turning up:o

BushEd

26-11-2009, 22:08

i will be :)

Tony

27-11-2009, 08:24

At the moment with a few dropping out there's 7 people going to the briefing

Chris the Cat

27-11-2009, 08:27

Realy am sorry I can't make this fellas.
It would be great to put some faces to names!
Chris.

Chris the Cat

27-11-2009, 08:50

Iv'e asked this before,but I think I will give it one last shout!
Anyone catching the early plane out of Heathrow on the sunday morning?
( To Oslo. )
Cheers.
Chris.

barryasmith

27-11-2009, 09:15

I am Chris.

Chris the Cat

27-11-2009, 09:23

You getting into LHR early,or staying over mate?
Chris.

barryasmith

27-11-2009, 11:21

Will PM you chris

wolf man

27-11-2009, 11:41

I'll still be going to the briefing tomorrow guys.

Chris: I think that i'll be catching the early flight from Heathrow on the Sunday. Not yet sorted out flights, but that will be my plan (not planning on staying in Oslo)

I'll be sorting out flights next week after the briefing.

Hope to see you guys at the briefing.

vinnyp68

27-11-2009, 16:24

Hi all, I have just booked on for this trip and can't wait.

I have sorted out my Norwegian flights, coming back on the 20th.

I want to book my Ryan air flight going out on the 13th staying over in Olso.

has anyone else booked this and if so do you fly to Oslo Rygge or Oslo Trop.

I have not booked a hotel yet but would like to know if and where anyone else is staying on the Saturday.

Look forward to meeting you all, Vince

Leonidas

27-11-2009, 17:23

2nd and last call for questions to take to the briefing :dunno:

FYI - We already have a document containing a variety of the questions asked to date.

The document is a collection of questions and answers for reference by folks travelling on the BushcraftUK Arctic Expedition February 14th to February 20th 2010. The document will be updated periodically.

We will add any questions you submit today, for the briefing tomorrow.
The updated document will be sent out next week.
Those interested in receiving the documented information will need to contact me with their email address.
I'll also add your email to a contact list if you are interested in receiving further information as we progress :)

Cheers
Tom

Chris the Cat

27-11-2009, 17:53

Daily plan/timetable,sleeping/tent arrangements
Food/meals,can we pick up a bottle of whisky at the airport for sharing in the evening.
Camp duties?
Cheers Tom.
Chris.

Leonidas

27-11-2009, 20:01

Thought a couple of phrases might be useful for the trip.

What a pretty reindeer you have – Hva en Ganske renar du har

Can I eat it? – Kan jeg spise det?

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

Tom

Chris the Cat

27-11-2009, 20:05

You should be busy sorting those Leukos out fella!
Good trip?
Fire steels?
I have a bit of antler waiting!!
Cheers.
Chris.

Leonidas

27-11-2009, 20:45

You should be busy sorting those Leukos out fella!
Good trip?
Fire steels?
I have a bit of antler waiting!!
Cheers.
Chris.

Aha yes the firesteels.
If anyone wants a bare firesteel rod let me know I've got 25 each of:
3/16" x 3"
1/4" x x3"

And a couple each in sizes
3/8" x 4" / 5" / 6"

Plus loads of solid strikers....
Will offer to exped group first after which I'll be selling them with the blades I make.... ;)

If anyone wants a firesteel and is attending the briefing let me know, might save on postage else I can post or bring to airport / Bardufoss :)

Cheers
Tom

Chris the Cat

27-11-2009, 20:52

Hang onto one for me please Tom,you choose!
Chris.

coln18

28-11-2009, 18:53

anyone back from the briefing?

how did it go, get any good info you are willing to share with all the lazy ones who couldnt/wouldnt attend?

hope it all went well

Colin

Leonidas

28-11-2009, 21:04

anyone back from the briefing?

how did it go, get any good info you are willing to share with all the lazy ones who couldnt/wouldnt attend?

hope it all went well

Colin

The briefing went very well indeed, the information and advice provided by Woody and Co will definitely help folks with equipment selection and provide greater insight with activities.......took loads of notes re the advice and information re equipment.
I'll write up the notes (Lots of notes) in the next 2/3 days and will be sending it to Woody, the information will be merged with further info and posted to the Bushcraft Expeditions (http://www.bushcraftexpeditions.com/) web site. :)

Will post the link to the information later in the week.

Cheers
Tom

Leonidas

30-11-2009, 21:22

Update - As promised the notes from the briefing have been collated and formatted.

The document has just been sent to Woody and will be merged with additional information then placed on the Bushcraft Expeditions site.

Probably! All the questions asked to date are answered :rolleyes:
If however you have more questions after reviewing the information, ask away :thinkerg:

Cheers
Tom

vinnyp68

30-11-2009, 22:27

Hi all, just booked my flights with ryan air and the luggage allowance is only 15Kg checked in and you pay £30 for that, 10kg hand luggage. You can check in a second bag but that takes it to £100 to check in 2 x 15Kg.

Who else is doing the ryanair flights and how are you going to work out kit, do you think we will get away with just 1 bag and hand luggage?

Also who else is staying in oslo Saturday and where, would be good to meet a few peeps and go out in Oslo?

Peterlee_Paddler

30-11-2009, 22:54

Me and my brother fly out to Oslo on Friday night so I reckon we'll just doss down in the airport that night but will be looking for somewhere to stay on Saturday.
Sometime this week I'll be looking for accommodation and I'll let you know what I find.

vinnyp68

01-12-2009, 19:06

nice one it would good if a few of us met up in Oslo before hand, I am traveling out on me todd, are you guys going with Ryanair?

peds8045

01-12-2009, 21:04

I'm staying in a hotel at Oslo airport on the saturday night before having a relaxing breakfast and checking in for the flight to Bardufoss on the sunday morning...cheers easy :)

McGarley

02-12-2009, 13:51

nice one it would good if a few of us met up in Oslo before hand, I am traveling out on me todd, are you guys going with Ryanair?

Me and the Peterlee Paddler are traveling from Heathrow with BA on the Friday. We will be exploring Oslo on Saturday. When are you travelling out?

vinnyp68

03-12-2009, 17:02

Hi, I arrive at Oslo Rygge at 9.55, still need to find a hotel in Oslo, once I have checked in well up for exploring Oslo, perhaps get a good dinner and a few beers in Saturday before we start roughing it?

peve3

04-12-2009, 11:29

Im flying out for Friday as well, arrive at 16:50. Was thinking of checking into a youth hostel for 2 nights but that depends on how much kit I have in the end. Few beers sounds perfect, hopefully by sat night should know the best places in town !!.

peds8045

04-12-2009, 17:14

I believe we are meant to pay the remaining amount for the course by the 11th Dec 09. To who are we paying this, is it BCUK or Bushcraft expeditions?

Tony

04-12-2009, 17:40

whichever is easiest, they take the credit card payment and i take the bank etc.

stuartlafferty

04-12-2009, 21:42

I'm looking at the Ryanair flight from Stanstead. I've not worked out the baggage yet, 15kg isn't a lot and the second 15kg pushes it up a lot. I'll keep you posted as it would be good to travel with other group members
nice one it would good if a few of us met up in Oslo before hand, I am traveling out on me todd, are you guys going with Ryanair?

vinnyp68

05-12-2009, 18:10

15KG is not a lot but you do get 10KG hand luggage. I am thinking use a 90L duffle bag with bulky kit and tools etc and a 35L rucksack as hand luggage, this will be my day pack and then wear and fill my pockets with as much as I can. I intend to make this work some how as I do not want to give Ryanair any more money than I have to.

GearGuru

05-12-2009, 23:28

anyone read - The Arctic Survival Manual - is it worth £20?

Woody

06-12-2009, 13:34

Hi all,

We are now starting to finalise plans for the expedition and need to know who, if any one, needs what from the in-country rental kit. To that end could you please email us at the Bushcraft Expeditions office stating what you require and your sizes where applicable.

Items on offer are boots (Please send European boot size), sleeping bags, and snow/Skidoo suits. Costs for the rental of items are stated on the BCUK web site and monies are payable direct (in Norwegian Kroner only) direct to the supplier in country on collection.

There are limited amounts and sizes of equipment so it will be on a first come basis.

Also, could those not requiring any equipment please send an email to this effect (a nil return) so that we know that everyone has received this message and that no one turns up without the kit expecting to get it there.

Regards

Woody

coln18

07-12-2009, 17:27

Hey guys,

Im after any good info on flights and hotels ect...

I already have the Oslo to Bardufoss flights booked ok.

Question 1. what sort of price are people paying for return flights uk to Norway.

Question 2. Has anyone actually managed to book a flight to on the 14th and 20th.

Question 3. Has anyone found any good cheap hotels next to the OSL Airport as it looks as if i will have to stay over 1 night on 13th and 1 night on the 21st... what sort of cost ect....

Im flying from Glasgow but Klm only get in 20 minutes or so before the connecting flight so thats a no no.. it would be good if a few of us stayed in the same hotel if we are having to stay over extra days..

All the best Colin....

Gailainne

07-12-2009, 20:12

:o I'm afraid the only bit I've booked so far is the same as yours the Oslo Bardufoss bit :rolleyes: trying to sort out flights without spending nights either end is a nightmare. The flight from LHR to Oslo is fine its getting to Heathrow in time that's the problem, I think I may end up flying BMI, Its an early start from Edinburgh 06:30 but it gives me time to check out the sport shops in Oslo before they close, from what I remember last time they are shut on a Sunday. I've stayed at the Opera house before so will probably stay there again, it's just beside the train terminal, but its not cheap.

The flight back is as bad, even if we catch the BA flight back to LHR from Oslo (1 hr 5mins), to be frank catching an international flight in 65 mins will be bloody tight, I don't know if Norwegian and BA have a baggage handling agreement, but I'll be checking that out before I make any bookings, If no one else has ?

It's less than 2 hrs to catch the last flight up to Edinburgh, that should be easier, they are both BA so should have internal baggage transfer, unless customs dictates we offload our bags :(, both flights are in terminal 5 tho, which should make life slightly less complicated.

If I decide the 17:10 BA flight is too tight I'll catch the later 20:50 flight and spend the night with family in London, flying back to Edinburgh on Sunday, with a hangover no doubt :D

Cheers

Stephen

coln18

07-12-2009, 20:53

Dexter

11-12-2009, 09:27

Hi, hope everyone's preparations are going ok. The final payment is due in today but I don't seem to be able to find the details on how to pay. Do I just transfer the money into the same account as I did the deposit?

Dexter

11-12-2009, 09:29

On another note, I anyone is really stuck and can't get to Heathrow in time then you are welcome to stay at mine. I am about an hour away on the train.

Tony

11-12-2009, 09:47

Yeah, same account is fine :D

peds8045

12-12-2009, 19:48

cheers Stephen, ive got the same problem, my best bet seems to be with KLM from Glasgow, but i will have to go early and stay over a night too. i guess i will try to get a hotel close to the airport..

Colin

I am booked into the Gardermoen Airport Hotel for one night on Saturday 13th Feb 2010. It costs about £70 B&B but is literally on the airport.

coln18

12-12-2009, 19:52

Thanks peds, i might give that a try, i will let you know if i get booked in there, is anyone else staying at the airport.....

Colin...

coln18

14-12-2009, 12:10

has anyone else managed to find a hotel near the airport cheaper than 795 NOK (£85), im having to stay over on the 13th and 20th feb 2010.

If so please do share that info for everyone having to book a room for a night or 2 near the airport as it will save a lot of searching on the interweb...

Chris the Cat

14-12-2009, 15:24

Trip has pretty much cleaned me out mate!
I shall be getting to LHR the night before my Sunday morning early flight out,and bedding down as best I can there!
( Will do the same in Oslo if I miss my conection on the way back!!)
Good luck,will be nice to meet you.
Chris.

coln18

14-12-2009, 15:38

Cheers Chris,

Do you think the airport would mind if a group of us got together and set up camp, complete with bivis, hammocks and a lovely roaring camp fire to tide us by till morning

(Then again i suppose we could just join the British Airways staff, who will probably still be on strike, they might even have one of thouse nice roaring fires in an old oil drum like they did in the first rocky movie)

Colin

Chris the Cat

14-12-2009, 15:48

Lol! Yeah,I can see that mate!
Do you know if we have to collect our bags at Oslo,and do the customs thing before putting them back through for the Bardufoss flight??
Chris.

coln18

14-12-2009, 16:01

id imagine we would have to collect our bags, unless you have a norweigan flight all the way through, still to book my flight there, klm at £200 from glasgow with 1 stop in amsterdam seems the cheapest so far - im just worried i dont make it out of amsterdam (i dont think i will risk leaving the airport).

Is there a direct flight on the 14th from LHR that gets to Oslo in time for the connecting flight, i wouldnt mind dossing in the airport if its going to save my wallet over £80.

Colin

Chris the Cat

14-12-2009, 16:09

Yes mate,myself,Leonardis and a couple of other cats are getting the 7.20am BA flight out of LRH. That gives us 2 hours at Oslo.
Chris.

coln18

14-12-2009, 16:27

cheer Chris, i will check it out, it might be cheaper taking that option than adding the cost of staying over in Oslo, which doesnt seem to be the cheapest.

Colin..

Chris the Cat

14-12-2009, 16:31

You are right there Colin!
Good luck and lets us know how you get on!
Cheers.
Chris.

coln18

14-12-2009, 16:35

Leonidas

14-12-2009, 17:30

looks a no go, they want £168 for that part and with the glasgow flight it would be way too much, but i will keep checking to see if it comes down in price and will let you know

All the best mate and thanks for the info..

Colin

Colin

How about the following combination?
Depart late Saturday 13th....return Sunday 21st.....(As soon as you select 20th for return both outbound and return leg icreases in price.....)
These are the cheapest BA Heathrow options I know of.....but there are only 2 seats available for the return flight at the time below....
You could depart earlier on Sunday at higher cost or catch a later Sunday flight perhaps?

Check your flight itinerary details but the following might be possible?

Outbound - Saturday 13 Feb
Depart Heathrow (London) 18:55
Arrive Oslo 22:10 BA0770

Return - Sunday 21st Feb
Depart OSL at 17.10
Arrive 18:40 Heathrow (London) BA0767

Only two seats left for the return leg at above time.....you can fly earlier same day at higher cost or later same day on next and last flight....

£219 (Actually cheaper than the BA flights I booked)

Hope this helps
Tom

coln18

14-12-2009, 17:39

Thanks for the research Tom, that plan you put together looks like my option using KLM from Glasgow, with 1 stop in Amsterdam then in Oslo for 2250 on the 13th and flying out on the 21st for about £200.

Looks like im not going to do better than that, but thanks for the effort, now just a question of either dossing overninght twice in airports or getting a room in Oslo which seem to be going for £85 min a night...

Merry Chrimbo

Colin

Leonidas

14-12-2009, 18:25

Ryanair (Beware the planes have outside toilets and they still charge for their use)

Glasgow to Torp (See the notes re Oslo's three airports and how to get FROM Torp airport to Gardermoen (OSL) for the rendezvous

Going Out

Adult 11.99 GBP
Fri, Feb 12 Flight FR7802
Depart Prestwick 06:10
Arrive 08:50 Oslo (Torp) (TRF)

Coming Back

Adult 18.99 GBP Sun, Feb 21 Flight FR7803
Depart 21.25 Oslo (Torp) (TRF)
Arrive Glasgow (Prestwick) (PIK) 22.10

So it is 2 days early and one day after drop off at Gardermoen....
But for £43 round trip inc taxes and online booking from Glasgow, ya could dump much of your gear at a lock up at Gardermoen airport and just take in the sights of Oslo and find a cheap B+B.....

Just a thought
Tom

coln18

14-12-2009, 19:30

Cheers Tom,

That is another option i suppose, im just always wary of all the hidden costs with ryan air, but i will certainly look into it.

Im now at the stage where my brain is getting pickled looking at all the options, ive been at it for most of the day, im not booking yet - I just know there is a cheap direct easy option out there.

Thanks Tom for all your hard work on this, now if you could get me a cheap holiday to the west indies for a £5 to recover from all this flight surfing on the internet, then i will be most impressed..

Speak to you later

Colin

barryasmith

14-12-2009, 21:11

I'm really looking forward to the course now. Gonna be a long few weeks waiting to get to the far north.

I'm really looking forward to ice fishing and will be bringing a few of my own bits to try out. Looking forward to building shelters and sleeping out, dog sledging and maybe seeing a bit of northern lights.

Should be an ace week. What's everyone else looking forward to?

Barry

peve3

14-12-2009, 22:26

Right just booked my flights im going to Switzerland after the trip for a week so only took a single into Oslo

These are my times:

13:00 -1615 12 Feb
Heathrow (London) - Oslo Gardermoen
BA0766

Total cost for this was £46 using BA Miles.

Then I will be staying in a Youth Hostel in Oslo called Haraldsheim this is a 40 min bus trip from Gardermoen but is the nearest youth hostel to the Airport. http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&source=hp&ie=UTF8&q=oslo+youth+hostel&fb=1&gl=uk&hq=youth+hostel&hnear=oslo&view=map&ei=mbQmS6y3Loek4Qb_mrnyCQ&ved=0CBgQtQMwAA

Hostel works out at £45 for the 2 nights using a YHA card as well ( Saves £3 per Night ) have not booked this yet as im still looking. But might give an idea to a cheaper way to do it. Also some hostels allow you to sleep outside on there land for a very cheap fee and as your carrying most of the stuff needed to do this, its another idea i'm looking at.

http://haraldsheim.no/

GearGuru

16-12-2009, 23:11

Just realised I havent paid balance - can you send me details on how to pay the remainder of the amount

cheers chris

coln18

17-12-2009, 13:08

Leonidas

17-12-2009, 13:42

Hi mate, i just got the phone number from bushcraft expeditions website and paid directly over the phone, took 2 minutes, all paid, yeh starting to get excited now, all flights and insurance booked, just a hotel room for 2 nights and a few kit nick nacks to go..

All the best

Colin...

Yep, as per Colin, did same and it is nice and easy.

Roll on February, looking forward to meeting everyone :mexwave:

On another note!
I was thinking of asking Santa to bring me a camcorder, however before I do is anyone else thinking of recording the event?

Tom

Gailainne

19-12-2009, 19:25

Well that's my flights booked,I missed the BMI flight, so I'm flying down on the 13th,spending the night with family in London and will catch the early BA flight to Oslo on the 14th. Not long to go now :mexwave:

Gailainne

19-12-2009, 19:27

Yep, as per Colin, did same and it is nice and easy.

Roll on February, looking forward to meeting everyone :mexwave:

On another note!
I was thinking of asking Santa to bring me a camcorder, however before I do is anyone else thinking of recording the event?

Tom

On the camcorder, I've been looking at a Sanyo xacti WH1, its waterproof to 10 ft, for camping/canoe trips, but should handle snow no problem.

Leonidas

19-12-2009, 19:35

On the camcorder, I've been looking at a Sanyo xacti WH1, its waterproof to 10 ft, for camping/canoe trips, but should handle snow no problem.

Near water the Xacti sounds the business...
After doing a little research :rolleyes: ....I was looking at either the Panasonic HDC-HS300, the Sony HDR-XR520V or the Canon Legria HF S11 Camcorder

Undecided as yet though! :dunno:

Tom

nickg

23-12-2009, 22:35

Anybody know anything about the dog sledding - is it on & how mutch?

Also does anybody have any idea concerning the amount of Noggie cash we may need etc

Cheers
Nick

barryasmith

23-12-2009, 23:22

Anybody know anything about the dog sledding - is it on & how mutch?

Also does anybody have any idea concerning the amount of Noggie cash we may need etc

Cheers
Nick

Nick, I mailed Bushcraft Expeditions about booking activities (on Tony's advice) and they advised that a post will be put on the Forum where people can sign up to the activities taking place.

All the best.

Barry

GearGuru

24-12-2009, 05:18

anyone going from LHR on Sunday 7.20
and returning sat on the 5.10 with BA?

wheres is the cheapest site to go from ?

my brain hurts from trying all the options!!!

GearGuru

24-12-2009, 07:54

Has anyone heard of this being an option while we are there - I'd love to have a go!!

Leonidas

24-12-2009, 14:02

anyone going from LHR on Sunday 7.20
and returning sat on the 5.10 with BA?

Barry, Chris, Moi and a few others :)
Sticking to plan 'A' here (hhttp://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=593795&postcount=109)

wheres is the cheapest site to go from ?

If you mean flights? Not convinced their is a cheap site!
Some airlines are cheaper than others but time is ticking and options are lessening!

Has anyone heard of this being an option while we are there - I'd love to have a go!!
Not sure about this one cochese! You been on the 4X again? :lmao:

Tom

wolf man

24-12-2009, 20:55

Hi guys

just managed to get my flights booked for the trip. I'll also be flying out on the 0720 flight on Sunday and coming back on the Saturday 1710 flight from Oslo.

Now, just need to get some more equipment and then i'm all sorted.

Any particular plans for those leaving on the Sunday? Tom?

See you all soon

coln18

24-12-2009, 21:30

just a point to think on if any one hasnt booked their flights yet, with this BA strike at xmas being made illegal i read that the union will be run another ballot in the next 3 weeks and then most likely go out in strike straigtht away, so that could be in begining of February guys, so definetely think it would be worth keeping an eye on this and having a contingency plan if the strike does go ahead. I hope not, cause it would be a real shame to start a great week worrying about flights ect...

Colin...

Leonidas

24-12-2009, 22:08

BA strike...........could be in begining of February guys...........having a contingency plan if the strike does go ahead.....

Colin...

Aha my dear Watson.......Always have a plan 'B'
'If' BA strike :eek:

Pop snow tyres on me range rover and I'll
:drive: to Harwich and catch a ferry to Esbjerg
:drive:Drive from Esbjerg to Frederikshavn
Catch the ferry from Frederikshavn to Oslo Gardermoen airport (OSL)
Catch the scheduled Norwegian Airlines flight to Bardufoss

Room for three others too.....

Failing that there is always the :canoe:
:lmao::lmao::lmao:

Edit ---- Having just read Colin's email below...If BA go on Strike we could just hire a couple of mini buses and take the above route.
Jeez that would be a hoot...... :)
Tom

coln18

24-12-2009, 22:22

MOST IMPRESSED :You_Rock_

If this weather continues to February, we could always carve a few paddles and hitch our selves to a passing ice berg, im sure i just saw one pass by the window....

I really hope this strike gets sorted before then, by the look of it, posts wise, it seems most people are flying with BA for the 1st leg of the trip, would be a real shame for a great adventure to be sullied by our trolley dollley friends in the sky!:rant:

So as Tom has done, well worth a think about plan B...

Colin...

Leonidas

24-12-2009, 23:20

Any particular plans for those leaving on the Sunday? Tom?
See you all soon

Am planning on getting to Heathrow at 6am sharp.
Have booked a meet and greet valet service who will take the car directly from me at arrivals.....so there is no messing around with dragging gear.....straight from the car to the BA fast check-in with the bags :)
(Remember with BA you can check in and print your boarding pass from 24 hours prior to the flight so you only need to go to the fast bag drop)

As I mentioned ages ago :rolleyes: if anyone wants to join me on the trip up to Heathrow, they are welcome.
(Might save parking fee costs etc?)

Another thought (Dangerous I know)......Unless we arrange something....we will probably be passing ships in the night, until Bardufoss that is.....and then it will be...ah yes, I saw you on the plane....if I had known!
So why don't we short circuit that one and get noticed....(No roses) we could make sure our BCUK badges are in plain sight......Ideas?

You won't miss me, I'll be the one at BA fast bag drop around 6.10am shouting 'anyone going to build an iglo in Bardufoss :naughty:

Am hoping to meet up with the other folks so we can intro, have a :coffee: or similar prior to the flight.

Tom

Chris the Cat

24-12-2009, 23:58

Its one of the few times I do it,but how about a pint!?
Chris.

Chris the Cat

24-12-2009, 23:59

( At that time in the morning I mean...!)

Leonidas

25-12-2009, 00:04

Its one of the few times I do it,but how about a pint!?
Chris.

Make mine a pint of coffee and you are on :)
Hey it is my only sin...I don't drink....stopped smoking 18 months ago.....do not take sugar.........
Dang if I am cutting caffeine on the head.....
Might get a taste for real (Norwegian Spruce) pine needle tea though.... :D

Tom

Chris the Cat

25-12-2009, 00:09

Coffe it is Tom!
Happy Xmas fella!
My best.
Chris.

wolf man

25-12-2009, 00:22

I'm hoping to get to Heathrow about the 0600 time, depending on the morning airport bus from Oxford.

Coffee at that time in the morning sounds an excellent idea. The problem will be finding the same coffee shop in the terminal (5???).

Any one been there recently, and know what cofee shop is closest to the BA check in?

I suppose that we will recognize each other with all the extra bulky clothing that we'll be wearing, and no doubt sweating like pigs!!!

Merry christmas all, hope santa is good to you

coln18

27-12-2009, 17:55

Hey guys i hope santa was good to everyone :christmas1: and you all got some good kit for the trip in Feb. Im just back from walking my 2 wee dogs in the snow, its been really heavy up here all week and its perfect for trying my new kit out,

Santa was good and got me the Sorrel Caribou -40C boots i wanted for the Arctic trip and i was looking forward to trying them out for the next few days at the Scottish Hogmany meet at Wiston lodge, but due to the snow they seem to have come to the conclusion that it is now off, shame.

But anyway went out in the fields with my wee westie and jack russell and my feet were well toastie, so a big thumbs up for the sorrels, only problem is the wee dogs didnt have any sorrel boots and for the first time in their life they actually wanted back from the walk.

Has anyone managed to find a good pair of snow goggles that dont make them look like a complete geek, thats the next item on my must get list.

Anyway i hope everyone is enjoying this festive weather weve got, if Norway is anything like Scotland when its been snowing we sure are some lucky people to be going there. i will speak to you all soon..

MERRY XMAS EVERYONE

Colin :christmas1:

Leonidas

27-12-2009, 22:50

Has anyone managed to find a good pair of snow goggles that dont make them look like a complete geek, thats the next item on my must get list.

Here you go ALDI £8.99 (http://www.aldi.co.uk/uk/html/offers/2827_12514.htm)

ALSO have a special on merino wool base layers :)

Tom

deenewcastle

27-12-2009, 23:27

I'm not off on this trip, however, as we're giving tips on possible good buys, I bought a few pairs of 'Heat Holders', which are socks with a claimed thermal rating of 2.34 tog, today. I have been wearing a pair in my Trespass hiking boots for about 7 hours now, and have found them to be very comfortable. I suffer from cold feet, yet was warm when I went out with the dog this afternoon in the snow. I have not overheated either whilst sat on the computer at home this evening, which I suppose is the other end of the temperature scale. After buying them, I heard from a friend that they are on sale in Matalan at about £5.00 a pair. Well worth it in my opinion.

Having just tried to get a link for them as background info, I notice that Amazon are doing them at the same price http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mens-Holder-Thermal-Socks-Rating/dp/B001L0DZLO

Woody

28-12-2009, 10:06

Hi all!

I hope every one had a great Christmas and is looking forward to welcoming in the New Year.

Below are the costs and details of the other things available during the expedition. In a previous post it was asked about the possibility of doing some snowmobiling, unfortunately this is not on offer this time round.

All arrangements are being made on your behalf with the local suppliers and any activities undertaken/facilities used are done so under the terms and conditions of the local supplier.

Every thing will be offered on a first come basis and will be available from the Monday evening through to Friday evening. I would suggest that rather than book your places now you wait until you are in country and decide then as groups will be sleeping out/working in the fire house etc on some evenings.

All monies are payable in Norwegian Krone and are to be paid in advance, in-country.

Dog Sledging

3 hours dog sledding (approx) – this would have to be conducted in the evening (This is a normal practice) and would include the following:

¯ Local Guide
¯ A team of 4 Sled dogs.
¯ Traditional wooden sled and dog harnesses
¯ Full instruction

(This can be arranged during the day with a minimum of people but would mean you missing out on some expedition activity)

Cost: NOK 600 per person

Sauna House.

This facility takes 5 hours to get up and running and consists of a changing cabin, sauna and traditional Scandinavian wash facility. It can accommodate a maximum of 8 – 10 people at a time

Cost per evening (For the whole facility for approx 2 - 3 hours)
NOK 800 (approx £85.00)

If you would like to use the Sauna it is suggested that you get as many people together on any one night and share the cost – 8 in during the first hour and 8 in during the second hour (16 total) would bring the price to about £5.30 a head -You will probably only want to be in there for about 40 mins!!

Outdoor Hot Tub

This facility takes 5 - 6 hours to heat up and consists of a changing cabin and outdoor hot tub. It can accommodate 6 - 8 people at a time

Cost per evening (approx 2 – 3 hours) NOK 600 (approx £65.00)

Again, it is suggested that you get as many people interested in using this facility and share the cost – Unless of course Santa was good to you this year and you are feeling generous and flush!!

Traditional Scandinavian Post Sauna/Hot tub roll in the snow.

This facility takes millennia to get ready/perfect and is only available between October and April and is conducted at the individuals own risk!! The activity includes/requires the following:

¯ Full use of all available snow
¯ A perverse penchant for pain *
¯ Testicular appendages in the "size of a rugby ball" category *

* Provided by the individual participant

Cost per participant: Gratis / FOC / Nada / Nihil

If any one has any questions please feel free to drop us a line in the Bushcraft Expeditions office: inforequest@bushcraftexpeditio ns.com
(Manned again from 04/01/10) or drop me a line on here

Finally, I hope you all have a Happy, Prosperous and joyful New Year

Woody