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Squidders
15-12-2004, 21:04
y do ppl write like they r on a mobile phn on posts?
Can we ban it or install a plugin to correct this or simply throw things at people who do it? :f: :oT: :z: :o\\: :aargh4: :soapbox: :boot: :AR15firin :tw: :badputer: :yuck: :thumbs_do :hmmm: :smashfrea :slap:
arctic hobo
15-12-2004, 21:06
Good idea!
Squidders
15-12-2004, 21:09
you are goin' down for that one! :roll:
Paganwolf
15-12-2004, 21:19
Guys and gals on here come from lots of different places, and many people spell how they talk and say the words, expecially our bretheren from over seas, Y Diss ppl for t way dey type dude :?: :rolmao: :wink:
Squidders
15-12-2004, 21:24
Well, if someone is having problems with the language I have infinite patience because my grasp of other languages is nil... I just can't do it.
But, it's just lazy and that makes it a little rude really, it's like holding a conversation and the other person just drifts away at the end of each sentense because they can't be bothered. It just drives me nuts because it's so normal and acceptable to be lazy. And it takes three passes for me to understand it so it's being lazy at my expense.
And another thing *shakes fist* :wink:
TheViking
15-12-2004, 21:33
It takes more time for me to write in mobile language than normal english like right now. :roll: So i'll continue the normal english. :biggthump
I think you make a good point Squidders - the purpose of posting on the forum is to communicate and the burden of being clear is initially on the poster. However, I don't think that anyone can come up with any rules to control this or banning those that use it "txt speak".
Remember, each an every member has the power not to read a post, to ignore members who they don't feel contribute anything valuable (the opposite of a buddy list) and to give positive and negative reputation.
Squidders
15-12-2004, 21:40
Can we call upon them a plague of locusts Adi?
Just an observation, but a lot of foreign language speakers may not be able to read txt spk posts at all, which just adds to the rudeness of using it...
Paganwolf
15-12-2004, 21:55
Can we call upon them a plague of locusts Adi?
:rolmao: :biggthump
Squidders
15-12-2004, 21:57
Solidarity Emma :wink:
I didn't want to start a campaign though... I just felt like a mini-rant
It's a rant I always tend to take a little too far... it comes from being around students too much ya know. ;)
I don't use "txt talk"...my posts may look like I do, but thats sheer bad spelling on my part! :o):
But if txt talk is not correct English, what about the little Smilies?
good point.. isnt
;-) txt talk??
good point.. isnt
;-) txt talk??
Consider this quote by "Siegfried Farnon" (Robert Hardy) when admonishing his brother "Tristan" during an episode of "All Creatures Great and Small" who had been trying to avoid providing a clear answer to a question:
"...English is the richest language in the world; every delicate nuance of the human condition is capable of the most exact and subtle definition....."
With thanks to James Herriot....we've no excuses.
I find text speak to be rude.
It is a duty to try and write properly. My typing and spelling may let me down but text talk is simply lazy. Bushcraft is not about taking the easy way out.
I totally agree about the txt talk. I'm sure I spend longer trying to decipher it than it takes to write it !!
As to the little smilies(Emoticons), I find them helpful when replying to posts, because I can say one thing as a joke and without the benefit of a :lol: some people may think I'm serious :nono: see what i mean? they are a modern addition to grammar and help in these short replies.
Cheers,
Martin
p.s. if all else fails there is a spellcheck button added to this page right next to the preview button when you reply to a post. (Very useful when you've had a few sherberts like i've just had !!!)
I refuse to accept "txt talk" on msn. I can see the point on a phone where you only have 10keys to enter words but come on. It's not slow to type in normal english. I know my spelling isn't up to much but I make an effort.
it's the though that counts guys (and gals)
if you write in txt I cant understand you, so i cant read it, and you wont get a reply from me, simple as that
AS LONG AS ITS UNDERSTANDABLE WHO CARES HOW YOU WRITE?
Surely people have better things to worry about? And if they dont ---- well lucky you!
Or will their next be a ban on people with Essex accents --------- ooooooooerrrr thats me.............
Some of us havent had the privilage of higher education, myself for instance I was dragged through school kicking and screaming and then joined the army at 16 - I never spent 'years' a uni, instead I choose to work for a living and there are probably more than a few members who come from a similar background. The youth of today are the future, many of them type txt style as its in the culture. These are the people we should be encouraging into 'the craft' not looking down our noses at and discouraging or is bushcraft only for white middle class well to do types? - I think we would be wrong to ban txt type ect however we should also encourage people to learn to write properly because its ****** annoying if they dont!
its not a question of education.
The problem is that I cant understand the question if its written in text lingo.
i dont care if you cant spell (neither can I) or if the grammer is wrong (Grammer whats that !!).
As long as it is some kind of english.
This is the above message in txt:
itz not a :-Q of edu d prob iz dat I cnt undRstNd d :-Q f itz RitN n txt lingo i dun cAR f U cnt spL (nIthR cn I) o f d grammer iz wrng (Grammer wotz dat !!) az lng az it iz som kind of eng.
you tell me which is easier to understand !!!!!!
you can use it if you like but you wont get an answer from me because I wont have a clue what your on about !!
(for those of you who are wondering how i wrote in txt if i dont understand it see www.transl8it.com Which i use to work out what on earth my youngest brother is on about)
As I said - AS LONG AS ITS UNDERSTANDABLE WHO CARES!! :wink:
BTW - I have a teenage daughter and that was perfectly readable to me! :nana:
C_Claycomb
16-12-2004, 08:46
We should care because txt typing is an affectation when used on a forum. As such it drives me nuts :rant: I can't shake the idea that people that use such language are air heads.
It is arguable that it has a place in chat, but I find that it takes me as long to think how to shorten a word as it would have to have typed the whole thing.
The worst people that I know for txt tlk have been at university, or are there now. I don't think it has a thing to do with poor educational background, and everything to do with being lazy and putting on an air.
I don't think that we should ban text typing, but as a group I think we should express disaproval or even outright derision of its use. Anyone who is educated enough to use a mobile phone, a computer, navigate the internet, and have something meaningful to say on here should be expected to type properly (typos and random grammar excepted :lol: )
Paganwolf
16-12-2004, 09:08
Er can anyone point me to one of these totally unreadable posts that seem to be causing a problem, and people cant read? :?: thats a totaly extreme case of text talk Stu and if someone posted that sort of thing im sure it would be moderated. I cant see a problem with one or two abbreviations or miss spellings, lets get real and have a big :hug: and get on with our Bushcraft chatter :naughty:
tenbears10
16-12-2004, 09:13
I'm with Gary.
No one has ever written in the kind of language Stuart translated above on this forum. Some people can not spell very well and maybe that looks like they are changing words.
It is a pet hate that you don't like txt language but it is not an issue on this forum and it will be a sad day if you feel the need to ban it and exclude some people who otherwise might learn from this place.
Now get me talking about bad driving and parking and I am all in favour of cutting peoples hands off so they can never drive again (see what I mean about pet hates).
Bill
Oh one more thing, if it is so offensive why don't you guys refer to it as TEXT language :rolmao:
Squidders
16-12-2004, 09:14
Guys and girls,
I didn't mean to start a jihad about txt speak... Or actually try to ban it (although the plague of locusts is tempting).
Basically, I don't want to be held accountable :wink:
I dont think anyone suggested banning it!!
posts with severe unreadable txt have and will be moderated, this rest of this discussion is about pet hates.
C_Claycomb
16-12-2004, 09:53
Sorry.... :roll: I can't say that I have seen anything all that bad here.
I was just enjoying a good, cleansing rant about a pet peeve :o): but you are right, not really an issue.
The plague of locusts had me laughing, though for parking I would rather just disappear the offending car :lol:
tenbears10
16-12-2004, 09:57
Can we ban it or install a plugin to correct this or simply throw things at people who do it?
I didn't make it up Joe started the discussion asking if we could ban txt speak I was just trying to point out that it was a bit much to ban it.
Bill
Paganwolf
16-12-2004, 10:24
Does anyone know what jacket Ray was wearing in episode 2 of his new series :?: :naughty: :wink:
Buckshot
16-12-2004, 10:37
Does anyone know what jacket Ray was wearing in episode 2 of his new series :?: :naughty: :wink:
:rolmao: :rolmao:
tenbears10
16-12-2004, 11:07
what did everyone think of that new series by the way? :shock:
Bill
Paganwolf
16-12-2004, 11:19
:yikes:
what did everyone think of that new series by the way?
Bill
It wz xlnt.
:wink:
Squidders
16-12-2004, 14:07
Can we have a plague of locusts smiley/frowney? :wink:
Basically, I don't want to be held accountable :wink:
:rolmao: :rolmao:
I have enough problems understanding English without throwing in txt speak. :wave:
slightly off topic.. has anyone else noticed on the gransfors website there is an US flag above the English language option??????????? wasssthat all about then?? :yikes:
If they put a uk flag the americans might refuse to buy their axes
response from a US knife nut on sheffield made knives
"ewww no.
I see a lot of Surgical Steel blades marketed under the Sheffield name."
slightly off topic.. has anyone else noticed on the gransfors website there is an US flag above the English language option??????????? wasssthat all about then?? :yikes:
Makes sense to me. :nana:
yup.. thats why the call it English.. not american huh?? :naughty: :red: :nana:
Around here English is something you put on a cueball. :lol:
I reckon the posts telling us all to lighten up have got it right - while reading top quality english can be a pleasure in itself, one of the reasons we log on is to enjoy the contributions and knowledge provided by the enthusiasts who populate this site. Personally I'm learning loads from all kinds of contributors..and I hope it continues :cheers:
arctic hobo
16-12-2004, 21:22
If they put a uk flag the americans might refuse to buy their axes
And vice versa... I don't like it. Who invented the language anyhow? :rant: :lol:
OK OK OK. This is weird. SOMEHOW I thought I was replying to tomtom and was actually editing his post. SORRY ABOUT THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!! :?: :?: :?: :wave: :wave:
I WROTE:
Around here, English is something you put on a cueball.
Not tomtom.
Wow, that was surreal... :shock:
moderators should learn to moderate their drinking me thinks (note use of english)
Im one of those people who insist on texting in full english...:o):
its scary how us BCUK lot are alike in things like this :shock:
Yeah. I only use full English, even if it is mispelt at times.
I couldn't believe it when I heard about a school where they encourage kids to spell things how they think they sound and allow text-english to be used in school work.
How they expect these kids to get jobs in the real world if they don't know how to write properly I'll never know!:?:
Wud u hir an ofis werka hoo speld like this?
I think Professor Higgins had it right in My Fair Lady...
get jobs in the real world
...say what????? :smiley-fa
hay hoodoo.. :bluThinki :trink26: :type4: :hmmm: :boot: :rolmao:
Paganwolf
17-12-2004, 16:51
I take it you never met any office workers from Essex then Jak :rolmao: Wheres this real world anyway :?:
I take it you never met any office workers from Essex then Jak :rolmao: Wheres this real world anyway :?:
Unfortuntaley yes. One. But she's gone now and my stress levels have dropped through the floor...
As for the real world, why you asking me?:?: I work in datacomms...
Paganwolf
17-12-2004, 17:09
Unfortuntaley yes. One. But she's gone now and my stress levels have dropped through the floor...
As for the real world, why you asking me?:?: I work in datacomms...
:shock: :rolmao: :biggthump
The real worlds out there boys - 9 to 5, 7 - 11 pray it never finds you.
Cos the real world sucks!
Paganwolf
17-12-2004, 23:19
i found it but its worse 6 to 6 12 to 12 :cry:
Moonraker
18-12-2004, 01:06
I never understood text messaging. I mean you have a portable phone in your hand and then you proceed to develop arthritis by spending a couple of minutes tapping out something that could be said in a couple of seconds :?: I never text and come to that since mobile phones do not work down in our valley I never use the mobile except carrying for emergencies. I reckon it saves me around £350 per year and a good amount of sanity :wink:
And you realise that we do not officially speak 'English'! but something called 'British English' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_English) and we do not write 'English' either but 'Standard English' :-)
Now, if you do not live in the British Isles then you may be surprised that people from different regions often do not understand much of what is spoken in other regions :o): And I am only half joking about that fact as this map illustrates... :wink:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/34/Selected_languages_and_accents _of_the_british_isles2_rjl.jpg
Gary got it spot on when he said what is most important is that we understand each other regardless of txt or grammar or whatever. The ability to communicate clearly is one of our greatest assets out in the field.
The other great skill the British have is a thing called a great 'sense of humour' That is the true 'Lingua Franca' :lol:
thats a bit of an over optemistic map.. that green circle in the bottom pretrudes in the Devon and is pretty much sits on my house.. there is acctually only about 3 cornish speakers!! :wink:
The thing to remember about text messaging language is that it formed as a result of using a keypad where you had to press the same key up to four times to get the letter you wanted ... also, the number of characters you could have was limited, hence a shortened, concise way of writing emerged. If the recipient didn't understand you then you'd wasted your money. Here I assume that everyone is using a 101/102 key keyboard so I would think that it's unnecessary.
Well,
Some huge generalisation on the map, not sure which is more likley to get you a :boot: :tw: from a derbyshire speaker, saying they talk brummie or mistaking their accent for Yorkshire!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers
David
Paganwolf
18-12-2004, 20:54
Yes norfolk suffolk and essex in the same circle! essex and the east end of london and under the bow bells cockney is much of a much me ol dorlin, jellied eels an a glass of gold watch bleedin lovely bobs yer uncle fannys yer aunt :rolmao:
Well,
Some huge generalisation on the map, not sure which is more likley to get you a :boot: :tw: from a derbyshire speaker, saying they talk brummie or mistaking their accent for Yorkshire!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers
David
thus nowt wron wre yorkshire laddi
nah be gone befur I haf to tak mi belt to thee
Paganwolf
18-12-2004, 22:28
:rolmao: :rolmao: ecki thump lad :shock: :rolmao:
Even if you don't know what I look like you wont have any trouble working out which one is me at the meet up
I wouldn't want to be mistake for Jake :yikes:
I don't polish my kit with a bit of leather
Paganwolf
18-12-2004, 22:41
:rolmao: :rolmao: Jakes always polishing his kit with leather :shock: :rolmao: :rolmao:
it happens when your young.
when you get old you you start to care less about what your kit looks like but can use it better (Not that I'd know)
Well,
Some huge generalisation on the map, not sure which is more likley to get you a :boot: :tw: from a derbyshire speaker, saying they talk brummie or mistaking their accent for Yorkshire!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers
David
Hey was I was in Detroit the other year they all thought I was from Australia!:?:
Had great fun winding them up by putting on an Ozzie accent and taking the **** out of them. "G'day Bruce, actually I'm from Wolabra Wonga, me Sheila's...":naughty:
Until my brother thought I was being cruel and put a stop to my fun... 3 days later...:rolmao: :rolmao: :rolmao:
Had great fun winding them up by putting on an Ozzie accent and taking the **** out of them. "G'day Bruce, actually I'm from Wolabra Wonga, me Sheila's...":naughty:
Detroit? :yikes: Man, you start messin' with someone from Detroit and they are likely to tan your hyde Clyde and hang it on the shed. :rolmao:
Altogether now...
Watch me wallabys feed mate.
Watch me wallabys feed.
They're a dangerous breed mate.
So watch me wallabys feed.
Altogether now!
Tie me kangaroo down sport,
tie me kangaroo down.
Tie me kangaroo down sport,
tie me kangaroo down.
Keep me cockatoo cool, Curl,
keep me cockatoo cool.
Don't go acting the fool, Curl,
just keep me cockatoo cool.
Altogether now!
Take me koala back, Jack,
take me koala back.
He lives somewhere out on the track, Mac,
so take me koala back.
Altogether now!
Mind me platypus duck, Bill,
mind me platypus duck.
Don't let him go running amok, Bill,
mind me platypus duck.
Altogether now!
Play your digeridoo, Blue,
play your digeridoo.
Keep playing 'til I shoot thro' Blue,
play your digerydoo.
Altogether now!
Tan me hide when I'm dead, Fred,
tan me hide when I'm dead.
So we tanned his hide when he died Clyde,
(Spoken) And that's it hanging on the shed.
Altogether now!
There is nothing new in texting abbreviations.
Listen to ham radio operators in morse code, and you find they are sending very odd stuff, eg:
ge dr om es tnx fer call = ur sigs 599 599 fb fer qrp = so hw? K
Literal translation: 'Good evening dear old man and thanks for the call. Your signals are very strong, fully readable with pure tone, a fine business for low power. how do you copy me? Over."
It sounds archaic, but goes back to landline telegraphy in the late 19th century, so it is very old. 'Fer' is much quicker than 'For' as it takes 12 times longerto send 'o' --- than 'e' .
Text abbreviations are the same - a solution to a problem.
Im one of those people who insist on texting in full english...:o):
Yeah, but you type with a Welsh accent jake - you do you know. :D :D
arctic hobo
20-12-2004, 22:25
Hoodoo, that song rules!! We use it sometimes to keep up morale when we're walking - it's such fun to sing :o):
bambodoggy
21-12-2004, 13:40
I'm rather partial to Rolf's version of "Stairway to heaven too".... :o):
Rolf Harris ROCKS!!!!! :super:
Detroit? :yikes: Man, you start messin' with someone from Detroit and they are likely to tan your hyde Clyde and hang it on the shed. :rolmao:
Its ok, I was at the knife and gun show and was fully laden.
Wish we had those shows over here. Unless you're military you can't get in to those sort of shows over here. :cry:
Mind you my sister-in-law was a bit red in the face. She was trying not to laugh. Must get out to Yale to see them all.
When I was a re-enactor we named Rolf as a God of the drinking fire and often had many a good sing-a-long to BIG DOG or Tie me Kangroo up and lets never forget two little boys!!
bambodoggy
21-12-2004, 15:59
Cool.... I guess this should be on the claime to fame thread but I'm here now so:
I went to the Glastonbury festival in 93 or 94 and Rolf was headlining....I was there in the main crowd with my digeridoo huffing along as best as I could (can't circular breath - see ashdown thread) which was cool but what was cooler still was that the next day I took my dig over to the ring of rocks they had set out for chilling and hippy stuff and who should be there doing impromptu dig leasons and jamming than Rolf himself.....I sat and jammed with him for about an hour.....it was fab!!!!! And after all that.....I still can't circular breath! lol
Bambam then you are a demi god by association!! :notworthy
the next day I took my dig over to the ring of rocks they had set out for chilling and hippy stuff and who should be there doing impromptu dig leasons and jamming than Rolf himself.....I sat and jammed with him for about an hour.....it was fab!!!!!
promote this man quickly !! Get him a throne and a Burmah for a crown and a didge for a sceptre
:super: We're not worthy :super:
Martin
Gary do you know the word to two little boys?
Gary do you know the word to two little boys?
I found this link on t' internet;
Rolf Harris lyrics (http://users.durge.org/~rich/rolf/boys.html)
I hope that helps?
Martin
bambodoggy
21-12-2004, 17:36
I think I know the words to most of his songs!!!!
I've also got a cd that I'll bring to ashdown of him covering various other songs as only the mighty rolf can! His "walk on the wild side" is great but NOTHING beats his "James Brown - I feel good" sung in the style of "Jake the peg"........it's mind blowing stuff....really! :o):
:rolmao: :rolmao: :rolmao:
Gary do you know the word to two little boys?
Of course I do - every soldier does mate!!
Bambam sorry mate - no radios ect is one of the club/site rules. Now if you can hum it we might all sing along! :nana:
mojofilter
21-12-2004, 19:16
I think I know the words to most of his songs!!!!
I've also got a cd that I'll bring to ashdown of him covering various other songs as only the mighty rolf can! His "walk on the wild side" is great but NOTHING beats his "James Brown - I feel good" sung in the style of "Jake the peg"........it's mind blowing stuff....really! :o):
:rolmao: :rolmao: :rolmao:
What about the cover of stairway to heaven :o):
bambodoggy
21-12-2004, 20:23
The CD has stairway to heaven on it too.....there's heaps of Rolf covers!
No worries Gary, it's better that way for sure but I'll pop it in the car so if you're about in the car park you must have a listen....I kid you not, it's James Brown's I feel good, sung in the style and with the tune from Jake the Peg...deedle leedle leedle low! :o):
That rules out the little wind up radio I was bringing (take it everywhere....usually use for weather forecasts etc....lol....who am I kidding!) :nana: