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BIG-TARGET
13-12-2004, 12:52
Note: If you want to move or delete this , I'll understand. BUT I consider this an aspect of living in the woods that few, in any survival forum, has ever given any seriuos air time to!!!!
DUMPOLOGY 101 (http://bill-hay.com/Dump.htm)
John Burton
13-12-2004, 13:03
I have a copy of How To Sh1t in the Woods I'm intending to review for the site. Very interesting reading. Watch this space . . .
See
www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0898156270/ref=sib_dp_pop_fc/002-2323490-1678429?%5Fencoding=UTF8&p=S001#reader-link (http://)
for info
BIG-TARGET
13-12-2004, 13:18
I had a copy of that too but lost it!!! :yikes:
Paganwolf
13-12-2004, 13:48
Weird that i just ordered that book on friday :shock: Stayed on a coconut plantation in Srilanka once and had a great bog made out of palm leaves with an old tin roof, it was like a reptile/amphibian shop inside every time i went i was watching lizards and tree frogs and a great big pepsis wasp buzzing about, heaven in a karzy :wink: didn't stay in there to long though as the cockroaches carried you out if you got too comfy :roll:
:rolmao: I think my dad once wrote a book on bushcr@ pping
Note: If you want to move or delete this , I'll understand. BUT I consider this an aspect of living in the woods that few, in any survival forum, has ever given any seriuos air time to!!!!
DUMPOLOGY 101 (http://bill-hay.com/Dump.htm)
I've no problem with it at all, just keep it on subject and make sure that some people don't use it as an opportunity to use language that's usually unacceptable.
The whole hygiene thing is very relevant to bushcraft, Emma started a very good thread the other day on menstrual issues while out and about.
The human waste issue of hygiene is something that gets swept under the proverbial carpet far too often, it's a serious issue for all of us that love the outdoors, whether it's what we do or do not leave for others or what they leave for us :wink:
That’s a good link Big T, thought provoking and amusing in it’s own way :biggthump
As long as it is properly buried, and i mean properly buried. Then it's fine. I think it's disgusting if you come across unproperly disposed of toilet tissue and its partner(s)!...
arctic hobo
13-12-2004, 22:15
Plus if you're foreign you have a duty to bury it as it could contain foreign microbes that would upset the delicate ecological balance. It's a very real possibility, albeit a slow one.
Squidders
13-12-2004, 23:44
A year or so ago I was trying a V13 problem up in the peak district and after spending a few hours falling off the first move I realized there was a big poo someone had just stuck a rock on top of!
On top of the indignity of failing miserably on the climb I realised my bouldering mat had someone elses poo on the corner, I had to try and put a plastic bag over the top and jet wash it at a petrol station.
When I climb, I make sure I go before I get to the crag and if i'm away for a little while I always dig a fairly large hole. You could always try what dog walkers do and bag it for removal.
when out and about (in the wilds(british countryside)) and nature calles my method is to dig a hole.. around a foot deep if possible.. do my thing in it.. stir in a bit of mud.. cover over.. burn the paper.. make sure its out! believe it or not bogrole takes a fair old time to brake down so its best not to bury it with your "train mix" :naughty:
people seem to think that the tours on top of dartmoor are a good place to do it! ok when nature calles you got to go but this is a little silly lets say you are with a party of walkers and you get to the top.. everyone sits down and leans againts the pile, you got to go so you go "round the corner" dig up a bit of the turf do your bussiness and put the turf back.. a few days later/weeks/months later another party.. or your party return from a different direction and come to the summit from a different direct.. "goodness who would have done that there.... oh hold on didnt we sit round the corner last time" it annoys me no end!!
im really in a ranting mood tonight.. dont get me started on those who "put a rock on it" im glad to see BCUK members are getting it right!
2p (can we have a 2p emoticon please)
another thing that infruiates me is when some guys/girls dig the hole near water sources, or when water run off can be effected. I once had a go at a group who decided a flat area near a river was soft to dig only after i explained that water can rise did they decided to go well away. when the urge comes do they lose there marbles as well??????
bambodoggy
14-12-2004, 11:14
Yep, I bury or bag it depending on where I am and how long I'll be there.
I've found that to go comfortably I either squat (like I learned to travelling India....there's an art to not pooping into your pants :nono: ) or if you put your feet either side of a small tree (up to about a foot diametre), put my cupped hands round the tree a bit like a safety strap for climbing telegraph poles and then just hang/sit back and....... well you get the idea :o):
Second method works well when in a hurry and you don't want to drop your bergan just to go to the loo.....
BIG-TARGET
14-12-2004, 23:08
Also, along the line of this subject, if large leaves are in short supply, do you use toilet paper, or a spare bandanna/a** rag ?????
bambodoggy
15-12-2004, 12:12
I'm not entirely sure it's relevant what people wipe with but just to enter into the spirt of things....I take paper with me, use paper hankeys, news paper, leaves, moss, and if there's nothing else then a plastic bag of water....I'm fairly easy going and will use whatever is to hand so long as it's not an irritant and that I can safely burn/bury it with my "offering" when I'm done.
I believe the Romans all used spunge's.
Hiya,
As per "Trail" magazines advice. A little vaseline does the trick and no messy toilet paper to dispose of :-)
I was a little dubious at first and had to check that I wasn't reading the April 1st issue !! But the proof is in the pudding so to speak. i'll see if I can dig the article out later just to show that I'm not making it up. Honest. :shock:
Cheers,
Martin
bambodoggy
15-12-2004, 13:51
I'd like to see that article.....it makes a lot of sence when you think about it but I'd like a little more detail before I try it out!
I'd like to see that article.....it makes a lot of sence when you think about it but I'd like a little more detail before I try it out!
Here it is (I hope).
Trail magazine March 2004. P36
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/shinobi1/bogroll.jpg
And the following letter appeared the following month;
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/shinobi1/bogroll1.jpg
Hope that helps?
Martin
bambodoggy
15-12-2004, 15:17
Ok....I'm sold, I'll give it a go next time I'm out and about......mind you it does mean I'll have to carry the slimey stuff which I don't usually have any need for...
Cheers for scanning that lot Martin :o):
:shock: think i will stick to charmin!
Boots sell tiny little pots of it. Cost about £1. They even do a version with Aloe Vera if your feeling somewhat "Chafed"
Just don't mix it up with your lip balm :yikes:
I must admit, I was mildly anxious the first time I tried it. If I heard "Dueling banjos" start playing, I would have been out of there like a shot !!! :shock:
Martin
bambodoggy
15-12-2004, 15:33
Yer....thanks Martin, you lead me to a good idea to try and then SERIOUSLY put me off.....twang, twang...twanggggg.....I'm off too!!!!!
:rolmao: :rolmao: :rolmao:
there was a thread on this topic some time ago.. and i believe Andy (the viking) did some field testing using snow as a wipeing medium.. with some success IIRC!
I had a copy of that too but lost it!!! :yikes:
I've got a copy too! it has got lots of useful information & some very funny anecdotes.
Recently, whilst walking not far from the top of Mount Olympus in Cyprus I experienced the kind of cramps that cannot be deferred. To my astonishment a corrugated iron WC presented itself at the next turn in the path. I mentally thanked whoever constructed the loo and ran inside. During those final steps I relaxed knowing relief was close by and entered and sat down in one fluid motion. Hard on the heels of physical relief was the horror of realising that there was no paper provided with which to finish the job! All I can say is that, in a pinch, M&S cotton socks are on a par with Charmin.
Squidders
16-12-2004, 23:31
that's lovely that is!!! :rolmao:
Thats very umm..... resourceful!
bambodoggy
17-12-2004, 00:55
Did you leave them there or bag them out and wash them??? :naughty: :sulk:
BIG-TARGET
17-12-2004, 00:58
just soak the rag in hot water, let it dry. Then any fecal residue wil crumbled off!! No odor either!! :wave:
Paganwolf
17-12-2004, 08:18
Recently, whilst walking not far from the top of Mount Olympus in Cyprus I experienced the kind of cramps that cannot be deferred. To my astonishment a corrugated iron WC presented itself at the next turn in the path. I mentally thanked whoever constructed the loo and ran inside. During those final steps I relaxed knowing relief was close by and entered and sat down in one fluid motion. Hard on the heels of physical relief was the horror of realising that there was no paper provided with which to finish the job! All I can say is that, in a pinch, M&S cotton socks are on a par with Charmin.
:rolmao: :rolmao: :rolmao: :rolmao: :rolmao: :rolmao: :super: Great!! welcome to the warm friendly camp fire of BCUK matey :wink:
In response to Bambodoggy's enquiry: With the first sock I fell victim to the automatic reflex of releasing the thing on completion of the task at hand. [I got that same sinking feeling you experience when you introduce paper to a marine head having forgotten the captains dire warnings about blockages]
By the time I heard the sock hit the bottom of the pit, I was already looking at the second one and thinking that my sock draw at home had way too many unmatched offerings already....
hmm... i will just continue carring TP. A assrag is really pushing it, vaseline is to much !
i might someday experiment with a rag, read things about using the corners and stuff. And than the hot water soaking like big target said. Although the drying and crumebling might be a issue in wet west europe...
A year or so ago I was trying a V13 problem up in the peak district and after spending a few hours falling off the first move I realized there was a big poo someone had just stuck a rock on top of!.
Yeah - I have to say, climbers (and I is one, too) are amongst the worst culprits. Oh, and runners (no pun intended). Hikers don't tend to be as bad as it's easy to carry a plastic trowel around - not heavy. I did some climbing in Europe a while back and the campsite was like it was festooned in Tibetan prayer falgs - on closer inspection, they were not Tibetan prayer flags.
There are some very good guidelines around somewhere on how far away from water to bury waste, how deep, etc. I expect someone should be able to find these as they would be useful.
All of this reminds me of the one time I saw our battalion Sargent Major really furious. The whole battalion was in the field and he had come to address my company and as he walked up to the command post, he stepped in a pile of "leftover MREs" that some Joe decided to pass during the night and not bury. He put the whole company in the "leaning rest" and went on for well over an hour on how "Ground messers" were the lowest form of life on earth and how they were the reason the world is in the state it's in.
Bryanr
BIG-TARGET
19-12-2004, 19:47
Yeah - I have to say, climbers (and I is one, too) are amongst the worst culprits. Oh, and runners (no pun intended). Hikers don't tend to be as bad as it's easy to carry a plastic trowel around - not heavy. I did some climbing in Europe a while back and the campsite was like it was festooned in Tibetan prayer falgs - on closer inspection, they were not Tibetan prayer flags.
There are some very good guidelines around somewhere on how far away from water to bury waste, how deep, etc. I expect someone should be able to find these as they would be useful.
I thought climber were the lucky ones. At least they had gravity!@! :?: :roll:
BIG-TARGET
22-12-2004, 10:30
While we're on the subject, not exactly bushcraft, but if you are partial to taking your truck,jeep, land rover, on you bushcraft exscurtions. Here'a a little aftermarket ADD ON (http://www.beachcomber.com/Gadget/Help/bumper.html) you may consider. :biggthump
Not seen one of those for ages!
Saw a humorous version of one being used to put out 'cones' on the highway...
BIG-TARGET
22-12-2004, 10:41
Not seen one of those for ages!
Saw a humorous version of one being used to put out 'cones' on the highway...
and the guy who invented/marketed that seat , is now laughing all the way to his estate in the Cayman Islands :rolmao: