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DMBackpacker
07-12-2004, 04:56
Came across this while surfing:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd/product.asp?sku=KEY%2D147&mscssid=AQN1SGGQ4X1S9LF807GQQV GQ9FCL7XX5
Described as:
Original British ground cover complete with reinforced ripstop tarp that measures 4'9"x8'6", six stakes, and line to secure the tarp. Makes a great emergency shelter - limited quantities - unissued condition.
Sorry, can't figure out how to post the picture.
I'm curious, is this what one means by a "basha"?
TIA
Nope this is not a basha, it is what is normally referred to as a KIP sheet (Kit Individual Protection Sheet), the cord in it is white and similair to paracord, but nowhere near as good and the pegs are aluminium.
They are supposed to be used as covers for small slit trenches, but end up being used for allsorts :o):
Hi DMB,
It's not a basha in the strictest sense of the word.
Ive got a feeling that this is a KIP Kit Individual Protection. it comes in a heat sealed pouch and features a waterproof sheet a length of nylon cord, and some aluminium tube cut into stakes.
It was issued to the British Armed Forces enabling them to add a roof to a trench or foxhole which gave and increased measure of protection from indirect fire weapons NBC agents and being run over by tanks.
The way it worked wasas follows: you dug your fox hole. Placed the pegs either side ran the cord zig zag fashion from peg to peg placed the waterproof sheet ontop of the taught cord.
then placed the spoil from the fox hole ontop of the sheet creating an earthen roof.
Great in theory however in practice it would rain ( as it does a lot in Northern europe) the soil would absorb water and increase in weight and then collapse on the occupants of the trench.
The MOD ( ministry of defence) sold a load off with the end of the cold war.
Hope this helps.
I seem to remember a thread on here about how useful the kit was for making a Basha of improvised shelter. try the search facility using KIP as the search parameter.
cheers
John
Yep its a KIP sheet - Kit individual protection - its a small kit orginally designed by the army to be used as a roof for slit trenches.
bambodoggy
07-12-2004, 10:48
All the below are correct and I'd just like to add that they make c*r*a*p basha's.... they are either way to big or if folded then way to small but more importantly they have no eyelets. They are heavy and basically pretty horrid.
On the other hand, they are very cheap (they've got them at our local market for about three quid and in a real emergency they're better than nothing....having said that if I was actually carrying one in an emergency I'd have to wonder why I was carrying it and not a proper basha sheet!!!!
simonsays
07-12-2004, 12:01
All the below are correct and I'd just like to add that they make c*r*a*p basha's.... they are either way to big or if folded then way to small but more importantly they have no eyelets. They are heavy and basically pretty horrid.
On the other hand, they are very cheap (they've got them at our local market for about three quid and in a real emergency they're better than nothing....having said that if I was actually carrying one in an emergency I'd have to wonder why I was carrying it and not a proper basha sheet!!!!
They do make pretty good one-man groundsheet. At a bargain basement price too
Cheers,
Simon
DMBackpacker
07-12-2004, 13:31
Great in theory however in practice it would rain ( as it does a lot in Northern europe) the soil would absorb water and increase in weight and then collapse on the occupants of the trench.
The MOD ( ministry of defence) sold a load off with the end of the cold war.
Maybe that's why they're so cheap! :-)
Thanks for the info everyone!
Cheers
nope its an IPK (individual protection kit)
They are crap as bashas only good if there is a chemical weapons attack as they are treated to block chemical agents! Never tried them out during one though!
I've had my KIP for years and it's still in the original bag, never been opened. Its just kept as an emergency backup nowayds with my proper basha and US poncho (with nice new warm liner) beign used instead.
Jakunen,
The bag is the best place for the KIP, unless you want to dig a big hole and put it over the top. It works well for what it was designed for, spent some time under one but not much use as anything else unless you use it as a ground sheet as they are cheap.
Brian
Moonraker
10-12-2004, 23:24
http://www.gcompany.org.uk/images/1980's/Lionheart3.jpg
sleeping bays - these extensions to the trench are covered by a latticed nylon cord pegged into the soil about 18' below ground level, and supports an IPK (Individual Protection Sheet) sheet, which itself forms the roof to the sleeping bay. 18' to 2' of dirt is flung on top of this so that it is flush with ground level. (see diagram) Apparently, a properly dug IPK system can be driven over by a tank without collapsing - but I notice that everyone sleeps in these feet-first. source:http://www.gcompany.org.uk/1984%20Annual%20Camp.htm
Looks like it is specifically designed for a sleeping bay extension to an open foxhole. The method described looks pretty secure but if flung up over a wide foxhole would easily collapse. I think the part about 'feet first' says it all :)
http://www.surplusandoutdoors.com/ishop/images/877/IPK-KIT.jpg
source:http://www.surplusandoutdoors.com
Only official reference I found was:
1991:04706 Individual protection kit Lt Kevin M Walker Infantry (USA)
Describes the British Army's KIP (kit, individual protection) for providing an overhead shelter for a foxhole. A strong cord, tightly criss-crossed over the position by stakes, supports a tarpaulin which in turn supports an earthen ceiling of up to 27 inches. The KIP weighs under 2lbs, and generated interest among US ANG soldiers on an exchange visit.
Category Codes: H5source: Lancaster Index to Defence and International Security Literature
http://www.army.co.uk/uploads/images_products_large/193.gif
This photo shows the name on the bag "Individual Protection Kit
Looks like everyone is right :-)