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durulz
05-06-2009, 19:14
Just been watching Ray on Dave TV. Actually, it's still on.
It's that episode where he's in the Russian forest. A couple of things have occured to me.
Firstly, he has that saw blade in a tin. He then goes on to make a saw handle for it USING ANOTHER SAW! Which begs the question, why does he bother making a saw when he already has one!?
Also, he cuts that massive log and then whittles a little spoon out of it. What was that about not wasting natural resources?
What a berk. Or am I not supposed to be thinking these heretical thoughts?

Greg
05-06-2009, 19:16
All you have to do now is wait for the death threats!;)

IJ55
05-06-2009, 19:20
Just been watching Ray on Dave TV. Actually, it's still on.
It's that episode where he's in the Russian forest. A couple of things have occured to me.
Firstly, he has that saw blade in a tin. He then goes on to make a saw handle for it USING ANOTHER SAW! Which begs the question, why does he bother making a saw when he already has one!?
Also, he cuts that massive log and then whittles a little spoon out of it. What was that about not wasting natural resources?
What a berk. Or am I not supposed to be thinking these heretical thoughts?

Day you get your **** as skilled, as well known, and as rich as him and have all the TV time you want, plus a fantastic bushcraft school and be revered the world over, then, then you might be able to commet.

Till then, your opinion? counts as much as a grain of sand in the desert.

Oh and you know who Mr mears is teaching bushcraft and survival skills to now? find that out, then wonder if he still is as shoddy as you think he is.

Greg
05-06-2009, 19:24
Told you!!!:D :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

John Fenna
05-06-2009, 19:25
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Apac
05-06-2009, 19:27
i personally think ray is ok, ok but abit over rated! ther are alot of people who dont get the recognition who know alot more! i dont think he needs as much smoke blown up his ****!

durulz
05-06-2009, 19:27
Crikey!
In for a penny, in for a pound...
...that Bear, what a great guy!

Peter_t
05-06-2009, 19:29
Also, he cuts that massive log and then whittles a little spoon out of it. What was that about not wasting natural resources?

he probably used the waste as firewood, is that a waste of resources?

pete

IJ55
05-06-2009, 19:30
Crikey!
In for a penny, in for a pound...
...that Bear, what a great guy!

Nice guy, talented mountaineer, fit as a butchers dog, makes oodles of cash from a TV show thats entertainment, not educational, oh, and his signature on a reasonable knife makes him a tidy sum too.

However, Ray Mears - good enough to teach special forces, good enough to teach the rest of us.

Greg
05-06-2009, 19:34
The phrase "You have opened up another can of worms!" springs to mind!!

woof
05-06-2009, 19:39
Come on admit it AJ55,

YOU ARE RAY MEARS !

jimford
05-06-2009, 19:52
However, Ray Mears - good enough to teach special forces, good enough to teach the rest of us.

Why would the Army employ a civilian to teach them?

Jim

IJ55
05-06-2009, 19:56
Why would the Army employ a civilian to teach them?

Jim

You have got to be taking the mickey mate - surely? lets have a wee think about this one then.

A world famous, superbly talented, richly experienced survival expert is approached to teach some special forces advanced wilderness survival.

Is this a good or bad thing? oh let me think a while on that one. There are a few civilians teaching SF survival skills - each one has a seperate area of expertise. The doddery little old lady who teaches plants and wild medicine lol is about 300 years old. Yet, she is such an expert as to be unmatched. hence why the Army employed her services too.

southey
05-06-2009, 19:59
they go to the people with the depth knowledge to teach, and the skills in instruction to get the point across,

to the op, did he make a bigger saw for larger work around camp, so as to make the cutting of larger logs easyer,

Greg
05-06-2009, 20:02
Can't argue with that one although I never met RM!

Barn Owl
05-06-2009, 20:21
Ray's not a berk.
The guys been doing what he does since a boy and with knowledge comes the confidence to teach and be a presenter on tv.

Of course there are others like him but he got in there with his school and the chance to get on tv,that was his lucky breaks.

Of course I don't know him but his programmes and seeing him do a talk have made me respect the fella a lot.

If I had to,I too would utilise available resources to teach.

In fact I made a tripod for our fire the other day from trees that in taking would benefit the woods.(Ash,plentiful and growing beside sessile oak,so more a benefit than a waste).

Ahjno
05-06-2009, 20:27
<snip> The doddery little old lady who teaches plants and wild medicine lol is about 300 years old. Yet, she is such an expert as to be unmatched. hence why the Army employed her services too.

I've read that book too
;)

xylaria
05-06-2009, 20:33
Ray is not a berk,
But, when I watched the wild food progam, he whittled this pestle log to crush I don't remember acorns or something. He did what blokes do which is use his arms and shoudlers to bring it up and down. Yet when you watch afican women do the same thing they use teamwork and a bouncing movement, they also use a tool that sits inside a house so it is dry wood. He used heavy fresh wood and didn't think his tecneque was wrong yet said at the end of it that he didn't think the a said food source was a good staple as it took too energy to make, he didn't think maybe his method was off.

Other than that he is good and inspiring, but he ain't a god. He would be first to admit he does stuff clumsy.

IJ55
05-06-2009, 21:00
I've read that book too
;)

'Aunty 'G' ' has done alot of written work too - lots of herbology and toxicology papers and a marvelous recollection of times gone by. The poisons unit in London have some of her work, such is its depth and knowlege.

Treemonk
05-06-2009, 21:11
Just been watching Ray on Dave TV. Actually, it's still on.
It's that episode where he's in the Russian forest. A couple of things have occured to me.
Firstly, he has that saw blade in a tin. He then goes on to make a saw handle for it USING ANOTHER SAW! Which begs the question, why does he bother making a saw when he already has one!?
Also, he cuts that massive log and then whittles a little spoon out of it. What was that about not wasting natural resources?
What a berk. Or am I not supposed to be thinking these heretical thoughts?

You sit there on a computer, most likely in a electrically lit and heated house and you bleat on about wasting natural resources?
Think about that and stop trolling.

IJ55
05-06-2009, 21:12
You sit there on a computer, most likely in a electrically lit and heated house and you bleat on about wasting natural resources?
Think about that and stop trolling.

Winning quote. Pure internet Gold slap down. Made my day. Cheers.

Rob Tangtent
05-06-2009, 21:34
thing is, im sure he is very good at what he does. but i hate his TV series, all the way through you barely learn anything bar a couple of historic facs.

every episode is pretty much the same, hes always banging on about the same thing and its kinda gets boring.

anyway my opinion on the best guy to look up to as a bushcrafting idol is a bloke off youtube called fredde, his screenname is hobbexp.

In my opinion he's far better than Ray

locum76
05-06-2009, 21:42
clapton is god. mears is god. whats the difference?

IJ55
05-06-2009, 21:47
hobbexp.


He di an amazing bow and arrow demonstration - was very enjoyabel, and then a testing video. well worth dropping by his channel to have a look.

Peter_t
05-06-2009, 21:51
hobbexp.


He di an amazing bow and arrow demonstration - was very enjoyabel, and then a testing video. well worth dropping by his channel to have a look.

i'l seccond that! very skilled
also andy price, the guy who did the A to Z of bushcraft, another one well worth watching:)

pete

Rob Tangtent
05-06-2009, 21:58
hobbexp.


He di an amazing bow and arrow demonstration - was very enjoyabel, and then a testing video. well worth dropping by his channel to have a look.

yes, have you seen his videos about making a bow drill fire with damp wood, or making a bow drill fire in the rain...
thats very cool!

IJ55
05-06-2009, 22:09
yeah I enjoy flicking through his youtube channel - very educational and can pick up some 'no frills' real living skills.

Also, he has a 'favorite' saved about kite fishing. I used it off a boat in the loch and it works better than any fishing trick i have ever seen - period.

John Fenna
05-06-2009, 22:11
also andy price, the guy who did the A to Z of bushcraft, another one well worth watching:)

pete

Ah - the man who did a multi-page magazine article on how to turn an office filing cabinet into a camp oven......
But redeemed himself with his BG take off vid!

Twoflower
05-06-2009, 22:35
I'm amused by this thread but it does beg the general question ... do you spend too much time reading/watching/surfing the net for 'bushcraft' instead of actually getting out and putting all these skills (some of which you will never need) into practice?

Ray Mears god? probably not .. but he is damn good at communicating his vast knowledge.

Incidently, the question isn't aimed at anyone in particular .. but you do need to ask yourself it sometimes, I know I have.

Wayland
05-06-2009, 22:50
****************************** ** BREAKING NEWS ****************************** ********

Ray Mears is just a human being that has to make a living just like the rest of us.

I like his programs and I also think he's done a lot for the public perception of what we do, but I don't think he's god. Heck I don't even think "God" is god for that matter.

I think this personality worship lark is wearing pretty thin in my opinion.

I'm sure if you met him out of the public arena he would turn out to be just an ordinary guy with a good knowledge of his chosen interest. I'm sure he's just the sort of person I would get on well with sat round a fire with a pint.

So what, I meet people like that in just about every walk of life, I'm sure you, reading this now, have an equally good knowledge in some field you are interested in. I'm sure you don't feel god like because of it do you?

One of the things that has been a constant source of enjoyment to me when attending meet ups has been the skill and enthusiasm demonstrated even by people who consider themselves to be "newbies"

The sooner people realise that gods don't exist the better off we'll all be as far as I'm concerned.

Glen
05-06-2009, 23:09
A couple of things have occured to me.
Firstly, he has that saw blade in a tin. He then goes on to make a saw handle for it USING ANOTHER SAW! Which begs the question, why does he bother making a saw when he already has one!?


I guess it's to show how to make the saw handle, it could have been made using a single saw blade, but that's more time consuming, more effort and your more likely to cut yourself.

The other reason, going from memory wasn't this was a community working together? how to borrow a saw and make your own if one has broken. Or, possibly more likely, how to make a saw handle for someone else so they don't break yours ;)

Barn Owl
05-06-2009, 23:10
****************************** ** BREAKING NEWS ****************************** ********

Ray Mears is just a human being that has to make a living just like the rest of us.

I like his programs and I also think he's done a lot for the public perception of what we do, but I don't think he's god. Heck I don't even think "God" is god for that matter.

I think this personality worship lark is wearing pretty thin in my opinion.

I'm sure if you met him out of the public arena he would turn out to be just an ordinary guy with a good knowledge of his chosen interest. I'm sure he's just the sort of person I would get on well with sat round a fire with a pint.

So what, I meet people like that in just about every walk of life, I'm sure you, reading this now, have an equally good knowledge in some field you are interested in. I'm sure you don't feel god like because of it do you?

One of the things that has been a constant source of enjoyment to me when attending meet ups has been the skill and enthusiasm demonstrated even by people who consider themselves to be "newbies"

The sooner people realise that gods don't exist the better off we'll all be as far as I'm concerned.

I am the God of snoring...;)
and you know it ...

Wilderbeast
05-06-2009, 23:12
****************************** ** BREAKING NEWS ****************************** ********

Ray Mears is just a human being that has to make a living just like the rest of us.

I like his programs and I also think he's done a lot for the public perception of what we do, but I don't think he's god. Heck I don't even think "God" is god for that matter.

I think this personality worship lark is wearing pretty thin in my opinion.

I'm sure if you met him out of the public arena he would turn out to be just an ordinary guy with a good knowledge of his chosen interest. I'm sure he's just the sort of person I would get on well with sat round a fire with a pint.

So what, I meet people like that in just about every walk of life, I'm sure you, reading this now, have an equally good knowledge in some field you are interested in. I'm sure you don't feel god like because of it do you?

One of the things that has been a constant source of enjoyment to me when attending meet ups has been the skill and enthusiasm demonstrated even by people who consider themselves to be "newbies"

The sooner people realise that gods don't exist the better off we'll all be as far as I'm concerned.

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest"

bikething
05-06-2009, 23:14
< sticks head out window and looks up at sky... >

yep... there's that full moon again... :lmao:

jimford
06-06-2009, 00:31
A world famous, superbly talented, richly experienced survival expert is approached to teach some special forces advanced wilderness survival.

But the Army has had special forces using advanced survival skills long before R.M. was born!

Jim

stevesteve
06-06-2009, 00:49
All I can say is:

I like bushcraft. It fits with my own way of looking at the environment that I am in. I enjoy moving through a natural place seeing the resources around me (even if not using them at the time). I like to leave a place as pristine as it was when I found it - Leave no trace.

I have met Ray only briefly and he seems to be the same person in life as he does on TV.

I have met someone who has travelled with him at length and he said that Ray is genuine and has a great sense of humour (I think the phrase "always making things" was part of the description too!).

He knows far more about bushcraft than I do, probably than I will ever do.

Idol? god? no neither and he would find that laughable. A respected teacher who I would be happy to learn from? Personally yes.

Just my 2ps worth.
Cheers,
Steve

durulz
06-06-2009, 07:42
Jeesh...
Guys, some of you take yourselves, and bushcraft, a tad too seriously. Lighten up.
My original post wasn't 'trolling' or anything else. It was just a light-hearted flippant comment; as I thought the follow up Bear Grylls endorsement would demonstrate. Clearly not for some of our self-righteous, sanctimonious members.
If anyone else reads this thread and has got this far, then please don't take my original comments seriously. Respond how you like to others though.
Shall we move on to gun ownership as well...?

suburban bushwacker
06-06-2009, 08:13
No i'm RM
And while i sit here in the yurt that tops off my Blofeld style lair (with helipad, under ground railway and imprisoned bond girl in a bikini) wearing yet another expensive wristwatch bought on the proceeds of selling equipment in my overpriced shop, any of you mortals who dare to take my name in mirth will be set upon by my army of internet defender TROLLS. I the mighty RM have spoken.

pay no attention to the chubby man from lewisham behind the curtain.
:BlueTeamE

firecrest
06-06-2009, 09:25
The man appreciates proper art.:D He is in my good book.

stonyman
06-06-2009, 10:58
Why do we always have to analyse everything, why not watch the programme for what it is an interesting and entertaining tv show, it doesn't really matter whether you prefer Ray Mears or Bear Grylls watch whichever one you want and enjoy it for what it is, neither shows are lectures on survival or bushcraft, and neither presenters should be classed as anything other than human beings who have had lucky breaks and ended up on tv. Don't be over analytical and just enjoy the shows, if you don't like what you see turn it off.

johnnytheboy
06-06-2009, 11:34
Durulz, fantastic thread, this has given me a right laugh, someone had to say it though.

HillBill
06-06-2009, 15:23
One thing i am sure of is Ray would keep a wide berth from people who "worship" him. I think he is very happy with the respect he has and the good messages he puts across.

He is a man on telly with skills knowledge and a philosophy we respect. Thats it. Are you surprised he doesn't turn up at meets? I wouldn't if i was him and i read some posts on here. Ray does not want to be worshipped, he is just the messenger( a good one.). It is the message that should be adhered to not the man himself.

If you were religious would you worship the priest or god?

If you are an avid football fan would you put the commentator above the game?

Of course you wouldn't.

It seems we have a few distinct camps on this forum.

(1) One which is into bushcraft for bushcraft itself, but respects ray for carrying their view to others and can learn from him.

(2) One which is into ray and is involved in bushcraft because their hero is, but weren't before

(3) Lastly, There are people who are not into bushcraft per se, but who do other activities which involve certain elements of bushcraft and enjoy the chatter and knowledge of the forum.

So Group number 1 is the people you can learn the most from.Especially things not been on rays show

Number 2 are the people you get the most grief from, and can get advice from regarding what ray has said and done or where he has been or where he is going

Group number 3 are the people who maybe look for a little advice regarding bushcraft, and are the people to ask relating to other activities.

At the end of the day, does it even matter who thinks what of who? We are neither ray nor bear or any other bugger but ourselves.

So for any of you who put ray on a pedestal...... get a grip, he is a man like any other man and has his faults, if you want to worship something, buy a bible

For those who slag bear off, get a grip and learn something about the man. When you can genuinely say i did that too, then you can qualify a slating

And for those who give other forum members grief because their view is different, get a grip. What bloody difference does it make if someone thinks different things to you? Vartiety is the spice of life and the forum would be a boring place if everyone held the same view on everything. Things would be discussed once and never again.

Ray, Bear, Mors, Stroud are all just messengers banging on about the same kind of thing. Yet on here some are good some are bad and all can start heated debates.

WHY??????????????????????????? ?????????????????? You argue over a voice nothing more.

sandbender
06-06-2009, 16:42
"...My original post wasn't 'trolling'..."

Of course it was :)


"...self-righteous, sanctimonious..."

The idiom "the pot calling the kettle black" springs to mind :rolleyes:

http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/foringsuba/misc/troll.jpg
Please don't feed the troll.

jojo
06-06-2009, 18:57
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/foringsuba/misc/troll.jpg

Awwww... cute!!!!:D can't starve the wee beasty!

Well said, HillBill. It's never been good news to worship anything or anybody. To much strife and misery eventually comes out of it.

Now...where are those rose petals...Bear is on a 7.....:p

Asa Samuel
06-06-2009, 19:51
To try and stay away from the argument about ray himself as a person and to answer the original question:

The saw he used to make the other saw was quite short, the saw he was making was a lot longer, mearning faster cut times, less effort and he is able to cut bigger logs, not to mention the fact that it could be for cutting a different type of wood. Folding saws are more for trimming that cutting big logs, whereas the saw he was making was.

As for the spoon, he was doing it for demonstrative purposes and could've easily made more spoons, but as he only needs to make one (most probably uses standard compign spoons) then there was no point wasting time and effort on seperating the whole thing out into different spoons when he can just use the "waste" as you called it as firewood.

Asa.

Cobweb
07-06-2009, 09:20
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All hail Wayland, he dispenses wisdom like wine!

jimford
07-06-2009, 10:12
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All hail Wayland, he dispenses wisdom like wine!

Yeah, but will he still shoe my horse for a shilling if I leave it outside his smithy?
;^)

Jim

John Fenna
07-06-2009, 10:20
I slept in there once - his housekeeping is terrible!
There was a strange mould on the mud of the floor........

Purdy Bear
07-06-2009, 14:43
Iv watched that programme about four times now, I find it easier to learn if I watch things.

I think you'll find he was showing how to make a handle for one saw (a bow saw), then he made the spoon, but if you look in the background the rest of the wood is neatly piled up to use for the fire the rest of the two weeks he was there.

That programme is a good one - set in Belarus (NovaCrudak), it showed how to:

Make a saw bow - he used a fire
Make a spoon - carved the wood
Make birch tar - used a fire
Make Char Cloth - used a fire


Oh I would watch Ray Mears if he was selling wall paper, but thats just the female perspective ( just love intelligent men)!

Todays episode was about the Outback Australia.

Wayland
07-06-2009, 15:00
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All hail Wayland, he dispenses wisdom like wine!

Don't you start.....:bluThinki

jimford
07-06-2009, 15:29
I slept in there once - his housekeeping is terrible!

I slept in the compound under the beeches when I did the Ridgeway, about 4 years ago.

Jim

John Fenna
07-06-2009, 16:09
Oh, the garden is fine....but the Smithy - a mess!:D

jimford
07-06-2009, 16:24
Oh, the garden is fine....but the Smithy - a mess!:D

Did you really spend the night _in_ the smithy? I can't imagine myself doing so, there's very little headroom - but then I'm 6' 4"!

Jim

milius
07-06-2009, 16:35
As a foreigner I would say, thanks to Ray many people in non english world are now aware of a term bushcraft. It made it come out far from UK, USA and Australia. This is his major major achievement and I thank him for that. As for cutting a tree with a saw to make another saw's handle.... come on...Bear Grylls would chew that poor tree down, Ray does it more reasonably :DD

John Fenna
07-06-2009, 17:15
Did you really spend the night _in_ the smithy? I can't imagine myself doing so, there's very little headroom - but then I'm 6' 4"!

Jim

I am only 5'6"......but there was still more headroom than in my tent....

zorro
07-06-2009, 17:31
Both very entertaining in their own different ways, but I'd sooner be shipwrecked with Ray Mears. Having said that, I'd sooner go out on the lash with the Bear. :)

Tengu
08-06-2009, 18:39
Aw come on, this it the FUTURE, we are all our own celebs now.

British Red
08-06-2009, 18:48
Of course it was :)

http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss63/foringsuba/misc/troll.jpg
Please don't feed the troll.

Indeed - the most sensible post on the thread - well done!

jimford
08-06-2009, 20:07
I am only 5'6"......but there was still more headroom than in my tent....

Yeahbut, banging your head on a tent roof is not so bad as on a rock ceiling!

Jim