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Brainflex
17-11-2004, 20:05
http://www.heinnie.com/cgi-bin/heinnie_store/web_store.cgi?page=ssog/Revolver.htm&cart_id=2674481.31328
Just found this.Anyone got one?
Useful or a gimmick?
:?:
IMHO the knife blade doesn't look hugely good.. and the saw looks a little small to be of much use... looks like a non to brilliant compromise to me!
You would be better off getting a decent fixedblade and a laplander saw i reckon!
you also either have the saw teeth or knife blade out at any one time. Could be very nasty if the lock failed in later life
does it come with any kind of sheath!
TheViking
17-11-2004, 20:24
They should be separate and not one blade! :roll: I'll stick to my SAK which has more tools also.
(IMO) Thats gotta be useless! Surely! :shock:
when the saw part is folded the teeth of the of the saw point out :yikes:
so if the the lock was to fail ony knock on the back of the blade the saw will dig in to the palm of your hand!! :thumbs_do
:shock: do you reckon it's in the banana protector range?
its defonatally up there with it...
...and the flamingo pegs. :rolmao:
i think we could get a hall of fame going.. lol with that gas campfire which came up a while ago!
What about this for a useless (http://www.bushcraftuk.net/community/showthread.php?t=1500&highlight=useless) thread :o):
Me and Mighty Oaks (grammatical error but it sounds cool) favourite useless tool was the...errr...thing...(post 18) :wink:
Jake
Looks bl***** dangerous to me.
Sorry, Brainflex but items like that have always got a compromise somewhere. I agree with TomTom about a quality fixed blade and a separate folding saw.
I think the compromise looks pretty stupid to me. What would you do in a "situation" should it damage you?
surprisingly, reports from people who have used them seem to be quite favourable.
they come with a kydex sheath.
you could try asking on the sog forum over at knifeforums.
cheers, and.
Brainflex
18-11-2004, 19:17
I ain't going to buy one.I prefer separate tools for separate jobs.Just wondered what others thought.
What were SOG thinking :?:
Revolting little tool :shock:
Robbie Roberson
28-11-2004, 23:02
Greetings U.K. knife people, :wave:
My name is Robbie Roberson, I am the inventor of the SOG SEAL Revolver knife. I just happen to be doing a search earlier and found this thread about the SOG Revolver. I am a member of the other forums in the U.S. and really love all types of knives, but I have an obvious special place in my heart for the Revolver knife.
I would like to try to explain to those that have never handled or used a SOG Revolver that it is a very safe, and very useful knife. It has been tested to the max, and written about in almost every major outdoor and knife magazine in the U.S.
I have received letters from all over the world from users who have nothing but good things to say about it, including a U.S. Navy survival instructor that posted on a forum in the U.S. stating that he was using it in survival training here, http://www.knifeforums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=415751&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1 .
I am very proud of this knife, considering where it started, here
http://www.thedailytimes.com/sited/story/html/170864 ,
and just a couple other links of interest here,
http://www.fieldandstream.com/fieldstream/gearingup/article/0,13199,691576,00.html ,
http://www.helenair.com/articles/2004/10/05/outdoors/c01093004_02.txt .
The knife has been in Iraq for over a year, I have not heard of one knife failing, (it has a 1/4 inch hardened pin locking the blade, if it broke, it still will not rotate down because it has a hidden stop in the handle, if the stop and the pin failed, the "blunt edge" would be the part that hit your hand because of downward pressure).
I am in constant contact with the SOG factory to make sure I keep up with whats going on with the knife. I hope this will help those of you that are not familiar with this knife better understand what is capable of, and if you have any questions, I will be more than glad to try to answer them.
Sincerely, Robbie Roberson. :wave:
P.S. Forgive me if I posted in the wrong position, this is a little different than the other forums.
Hi Robbie thanks for your input.. i wonder if you could answer some further questions??
firstly leaving aside weight for carry do you find the revolver superior to carrying a fixed blade/locking folder and folding saw combo?
Robbie Roberson
29-11-2004, 01:01
TomTom, I think I understand your question, the Revolver series of three different models weighs between 6 and 10 ounces with kydex or leather sheaths. I prefer carrying the Revolver in any combination of models over any standard straight knife on the market.
The reason is simple, I can do more with my Revolver than I can with any straight knife I have ever carried because of the saw hidden in the handle. I don't even think twice about this proposal because I have done almost everything imaginable with my Revolver in the woods.
Please don't misunderstand, I love a good quality straight knife, and they too have a very useful role in outdoor situations. I am just saying I don't need a folding saw anymore, I have one hidden in the handle that will cut hardwood or bone. I do use a small hand ax for heavy finish up chopping, but I use the Revolver to drop any trees or limbs I need because it cuts so fast.
I grew up in the Tennessee mountains using an old german straight knife in the woods, and I still can't believe how well the Revolver works compared to it. I have made shelters, cut fire wood (Dead trees, drop with one cut and feed to the fire), tent pegs and a multitude of other task with the Revolver that my old straight knife just could not do.
The Revolver should be compared to any medium sized straight knife with a blade of almost 5 inches. But the unique part is when I need a pole cut with a precision clean cut, I can push a button hidden in the handle and almost as quick as a blink, I can lock in a saw that will make that precision cut, and then holster with the saw or blade locked in the out position.
It is just an extra tool for outdoor use, that is amazing because it appears to be a standard straight knife, able to do what any straight knife in it's size range can do, except it will surpass this ability by being able to cut trees, limbs or bone with a saw.
This knife will fool you, it seems too easy, but it works smooth as silk, and is made very well. I thank you for giving me a chance to at least explain a little of how it works, I hope I answered your questions.
Robbie Roberson. :wave:
Robbie thanks again for your input.. i apologize for the negative comments i made about your knife in this thread.. i realise in hindsight that they were disrespectful to a product that you have obviously put time and effort in to conceiving and designing.. and while it doesn't suit my needs, it obviously does suit the needs of other.. so you should be proud :wink:
and i almost forgot.. Welcome to BCUK :biggthump
Robbie Roberson
29-11-2004, 02:36
TomTom, That's quite alright, the knife is hard to understand just by looking at a picture. Now if you had one and had used it, and still felt it was an inferior knife, I would be very concerned. It has been a long hard road to get where we are now, and my number one concern is to try to help people that may have doubts about it's function or usefulness realize that it is not just another gadget or gizmo.
It's not easy to introduce a new knife idea or concept into this experienced and educated knife world I have learned. But by people testing and using this knife in the field, it really helps. As the article written about the idea in my hometown paper said, it has never been about money, I made a promise that I would focus only on quality and real life function and usefulness, after all, if it did not work when the user needed it, it would be another useless idea.
By the way, I collect knives of all types, folders and straights, love them all, (just ask my wife :wink: ) so I am glad to be here now so I can talk about all these knives. I have felt just like you many times in the past, the truth is, you did nothing wrong, you just need to be convinced by facts and evidence before you believe, and sometimes it takes a while to prove a new thing really works as well as our tried and tested ones do.
Robbie Roberson. :wave:
P.S. Did I mess up this thread by posting in the wrong place originally ? Gosh, that would be terrible for my first post, I am sorry if that happened, maybe someone can explain where I need to click, it seems to be different than the U.S. forums in the way it displays after post.
Robbie Roberson
29-11-2004, 08:15
Update, I am a dummy :roll: , I did not realize there were settings to change for how the threads were viewed, sorry. Now I have them set right for what I am used to here at home. I don't make it to town much to learn this stuff :wink: .
If anyone ever wants to email me, please feel free to do so, thanks.
Robbie Roberson. :wink:
Hi Robbie, apologies if any of the posts offended you. No-one here would want that! We were just acting on what we saw as you said. Please visit us often :biggthump
Jake
Ooh, ooh! I have a question... what do you do when the saw goes blunt? Is it easy to sharpen?
i wondered that.. i presume the blade combo is too expencive a part to simply replace like with other folding saws..
And can you sheath the saw?
i think you sheath the blade while the saw is in the handle.. if i understand things right :wink:
Buckshot
29-11-2004, 14:17
I think you can sheath it either way. The dimensions are the same (pretty much) for either blade or saw.
The shooting press over here is raving about these designs, at least the reviews I've read anyway.
Robbie, if you me to review it from a UK point of view, feel free to send one over to me :biggthump
Cheers
Mark
Robbie Roberson
30-11-2004, 00:37
Jake, no problem with that, I just hope I can clear up a few misconceptions about this knife, I have used my Revolvers for almost 2 years cutting all types of wood, trees and bone. I have yet to have to sharpen the saw, but when they get dull, I plan to hit the edges with a stone and I am sure this will bring it back. The teeth on this saw are needle sharp, so it cuts like crazy.
TomTom, I have talked with SOG many times in the last couple years and have not heard of one blade returned for sharpening, being broken or a switch malfunction. Not sure about the whole blade cost, but since the whole SEAL Revolver sells all over the internet for about 60 (U.S.) and has a lifetime warranty against manufacture defects, you can't hardly go wrong for such a useful knife.
Buckshot is right, the knife can be sheathed with either blade out, this is one of the things I am hearing deer hunters like because they can leave the saw out in a locked position while they climb and clear limbs as they go for line of sight shots, this makes it much safer while climbing to a tree stand. The cutting blade actually never has to be exposed until you need it, making it a very safe knife.
In no way do I plan to quit using or carrying my other straight knives, I like them too much and since I am a knife nut first, I always take an extra favorite along. But the thing I am realizing is that the Revolver will definately spoil you, it is amazing how quick I notice it's gone if I leave the house for a short walk and decide to cut a limb with a 5 inch cutting blade. I find myself grinning like a possum in the woods when I realize the saw option is so useful.
The bottom line is this, it will not replace our favorite straight knives, but it has certainly made things much easier for a lot of outdoors people, and that is all I hoped for. :wink:
Sorry for the long post.
Robbie Roberson.
Robbie.. is the saw blade better suited to dry/dead wood or green wood?
Robbie Roberson
30-11-2004, 02:28
TomTom, You know, it cuts so well, I have not noticed much difference in the saws ability to cut green or dead wood. The double cut saw on the Hunter Revolver is scary sharp and it cuts so fast it's really hard to tell.
Robbie Roberson.
Robbie if i am understanding you right.. there is more than one knife in the revolver range.. yet i have only seen the seal.. got any links for the others.. :-)
Robbie Roberson
30-11-2004, 16:45
TomTom, Here are a few links to all the models now available, all but the Hunter Revolver are available in the TINI (black blade). The Hunter Revolver is only available in the Brushed satin finish. All blade steels are AUS-8.
https://secure14.easyspace.com/www.bkcg.co.uk/products/manu/sog/sog39.html
http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_store.html?ttl=Recondo%2 0Knives&srch=eqCATE%20CODEdatarq%3Dsog %26eqKEYWORDdatarq%3Drevolver
http://www.guideapproved.com/detail.aspx?ID=90&sel=18
Thanks for looking.
Robbie Roberson. :wink:
did anything become of these?
I'd guess nobody on here got one as we'd have reviews if they did.
Robbie Roberson
30-05-2005, 07:10
Andy, Yes, there is some good news about the SOG SEAL Revolver :) . Here is a quote from the new SOG sales book just out.
"The SOG black TINI SEAL Revolver was recently chosen to be a part of the Personal Environmental Protective Survival Equipment (PEPSE) system for Special Operations Forces deployed in cold weather conditions"
Here is a link/picture of the Revolver mentioned above, "A".
http://www.agrussell.com/knives/production/s_through_z/sog/sog_revolver_blacktini_coating .html
The SOG Revolver has been very well received in the U.S.A. and many other countries. A good "local" review was done a little while back on the SOG Hunter Revolver on KnifeForums and I posted a link to this review a while back here on BushcraftUK so everyone could get a better idea of what the Revolver was capable of doing.
Here is a link to that review in case someone missed it.
http://www.knifeforums.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=580662&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1&PHPSESSID=
Hope this helps, contact me anytime.
Robbie Roberson :)
Robbie, is there a plain edge model available (no serrations) without the gut hook?
Robbie Roberson
30-05-2005, 19:45
Hoodoo, there is one available but it probably would not be very popular for bushcraft work since it has 2 cutting blades and no saw. One blade is a clip with partial serrations and the other backup blade is a Tanto straight edge blade with no serrations.
I have found that the Hunter Revolver (flat grind straight edge) fits the bill for me and many others even though it does have a gut hook. The gut hook can be used for many chores around the camp including cutting tarps, cords, and stripping small sapplings for bedding etc. The latter was mentioned in the review at KnifeForums and works wonderful for this and saves from having to sharpen the main cutting edge by utilizing the gut hook for things other than skinning.
Robbie Roberson :)
If you make one with a spear point plain edge blade and a saw I'd be happy to reviw it's use in a british environment
Robbie Roberson
30-05-2005, 21:30
Andy, not sure if SOG will add any new blade designs, I too would like to see a drop point version. SOG is very busy these days so we just have to wait and see.
Robbie Roberson :)
The General
31-05-2005, 17:14
SOG certainly make some good kit and from an engineering point of view its first class.
However... there is a need for better materials and less 'gimicks' in my opinion. The Revolver was a knife Chris wanted me to review, but I admit I was not interested as I pervieved it to be a 'gimicky' knife. I will admit, I have had second thoughts about that and if I ever see one in use will approach it with an open mind.
8a is a reasonable steel, but a bit past it in the days of S30V and VG10.
8a is a reasonable steel, but a bit past it in the days of S30V and VG10.
I couldn't agree less... :D
Robbie Roberson
31-05-2005, 19:53
The General, thanks for your reply, and thanks for having an open mind. This knife has been tested in the field many times in the last couple years by many different people. It has been described as being very effective in what it was designed to do.
It is lightweight, but yet will do more (because of saw) than a knife of equal size and weight, in my opinion, this makes things a little easier for me when I prefer to have more for less........... :rolleyes:
Thank you all for your input and replies.
Robbie Roberson :)
The General, thanks for your reply, and thanks for having an open mind. This knife has been tested in the field many times in the last couple years by many different people. It has been described as being very effective in what it was designed to do.
It is lightweight, but yet will do more (because of saw) than a knife of equal size and weight, in my opinion, this makes things a little easier for me when I prefer to have more for less........... :rolleyes:
Thank you all for your input and replies.
Robbie Roberson :)
Go on...send The General one for BB to review :D It makes marketing sense!
bushwacker bob
31-05-2005, 21:44
It sounds like we need a BB style passaround on this one so that all interested parties get a week or so to play/evaluate the tool in question.
BorderReiver
31-05-2005, 21:46
It sounds like we need a BB style passaround on this one so that all interested parties get a week or so to play/evaluate the tool in question.
Well said that man :)
The General
31-05-2005, 22:15
I couldn't agree less... :D
:D Not going to argue here ;)
Robbie Roberson
02-06-2005, 01:01
The General, I have an idea, how about I continue using my SOG Revolver and just report back to you on how well it continues to perform ? :rolleyes:
Robbie Roberson :) :D ;)
(Just Kidding) ;)
The General
02-06-2005, 01:41
Hey, no worries, I am too busy at the moment to look at it any way.
Right. Found somewhere to get one for under £40. Tempted to get it after next months pay check is in and do a passaround....
In fact just bought it. Will start a new thread about a passaround.
Robbie Roberson
02-06-2005, 05:51
Marts, gosh, that was fast. Which one did you order ?
SOG knives are always "shaving sharp" out of the box, so take a moment to read the instruction booklet.
The saw is needle sharp also, so pay attention when you rotate the saw blade out, it comes out the top of handle when changing to the saw.
This is a very simple and fast (2 to 3 seconds) knife to operate (once you learn how), just depress the switch and "hold it" depressed until blade is fully rotated into a locked position.
Once it's locked, it stays locked until you depress the release to unlock and rotate. As I say, it is so very simple it will amaze you I think.
I am posting a link to SOG just so you can learn exactly how the knife/switch and blade works. I always put my fingers on top of the blade and push down slowly all the way around until the blade is tucked securely into the handle, then I just reverse this operation.
Click on "check out how the Revolver works"
http://www.sogknives.com/hrevolver.htm
Robbie Roberson. ;)
Robbie Roberson
30-07-2005, 06:58
I wanted to add this to this thread, this is the first Revolver thread started so I thought this should go with it since it is an update on the Revolver news/thread and not the Review thread of the Revolver. :eek:
I am a little mixed up sometimes my wife says.................. :rolleyes:
This just in, probably the biggest hunting club in the USA, "North American Hunting Club" just field tested the Hunter Revolver and gave it a 9.1 out of a possible 10.
I know, the gut hook is not well liked, but there is another model, (SEAL Revolver) no gut hook.
http://www.huntingclub.com/IMG_includes/ptp/a05ptp1.pdf
And no, I have not tried the hair and body soap...........yet... :o
Robbie Roberson ;)