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These look interesting
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Weather-Resistant-Ventile-Outdoor-Jacket_W0QQitemZ220288542981QQ cmdZViewItem?hash=item22028854 2981&_trkparms=72%3A1295%7C39%3A1%7 C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
At least the seller is honest in saying weather resistant and not waterproof
Singeblister
08-10-2008, 21:01
I have one of these , I had mine made longer than standard and velcro inside so it tucks up , I can fold it down when needed, well worth the money I think
British Red
08-10-2008, 21:30
Better than "Saunatex" any day!
Buy one - vastly better than drowning in your own sweat though something that pretends to be "breathable" but isn't really. If goretex is so good - why do you get so sweaty wearing it?
If it must be waterproof - by basic waterproofs (not the "pretends to be breathable" kind). If it must be breathable - buy ventile.
Don't be conned by people who pretend that Goretex lets all the sweat out - thirty years of heavy outdoor exercise has proved this is total BS
Red
Its funny that Red, I've noticed that myself!!:rolleyes:
If it must be waterproof - by basic waterproofs (not the "pretends to be breathable" kind). If it must be breathable - buy ventile.
I believe that if you want something waterproof that is pretty effective at keeping you at the right temperature, wear paramo.
saddle_tramp
08-10-2008, 22:58
Better than "Saunatex" any day!
Buy one - vastly better than drowning in your own sweat though something that pretends to be "breathable" but isn't really. If goretex is so good - why do you get so sweaty wearing it?
If it must be waterproof - by basic waterproofs (not the "pretends to be breathable" kind). If it must be breathable - buy ventile.
Don't be conned by people who pretend that Goretex lets all the sweat out - thirty years of heavy outdoor exercise has proved this is total BS
Red
totally agree with that! I shudder at the cost of ventile, but id buy it safe in the knowledge that it does what what it says on the tin.
goretex is great for bivvybags, but i think its well overrated in clothing. do anything remotely physical, and it just cant cope. and it costs a lot of money for something that cant cope.. Better off with a set of guy cottens, sweat like a pig but know full well that nothing can get through em. Or get ventile and be properly breathable, but know that they may leak a little in time
I noticed these the other day and thought they looked good. Am I right in thinking the seller is a member?
Better than "Saunatex" any day!
Buy one - vastly better than drowning in your own sweat though something that pretends to be "breathable" but isn't really. If goretex is so good - why do you get so sweaty wearing it?
If it must be waterproof - by basic waterproofs (not the "pretends to be breathable" kind). If it must be breathable - buy ventile.
Don't be conned by people who pretend that Goretex lets all the sweat out - thirty years of heavy outdoor exercise has proved this is total BS
Red
If Ventile is so good, why did people stop buying it;:rolleyes:
'Bushcrafters' buy it as part of the 'must have uniform,' me, I've had Ventile, still got soaked to the bones on open hills (many years ago I will add). Ventile in woodlands, or cold dry air is fine, but IMHO, Gortex (or similar) has the overall edge when out and about without the cover of woodland and the rain is really hammering down. A few in the School expedition club had Ventile, but we all ran to the shops when the proofed Nylon cagoules came on sale, yes, you would get some damp from sweat, but we all stayed drier than relying on just Ventile when out and about on Snowdonia or Brecon hills. If you limit your camping trips to the woods then go for Ventile, if you go to more exposed regions then it has to be a Gortex type jacket and trousers for me
Just my view ;)
Did you ever waterproof the ventile?
Read a paper on the transition from cotton to nylon (and derivatives). Said cotton was easier to waterproof due to the nature of the swelling fibre.
Did you ever waterproof the ventile?
Read a paper on the transition from cotton to nylon (and derivatives). Said cotton was easier to waterproof due to the nature of the swelling fibre.
After getting wet a few times I did proof the ventile, same results, still got wet. Transition is a nice word, any links on the net for this? I'm 53, and I'm talking about almost 40 years ago, the nylon was welcomed with open arms, we kept drier as I said in an earlier post, but this is subjective to my own personal experience and not a study.
Ventile is the bees knees for the Arctic/Antarcic and maybe woodland etc, but as stated, not the best when its urinating down with rain and your out in the open, and to be honest, I don't like to see another thread that could make someone new to bushcraft camping thinking they have to go buy the 'bushy uniform,' they don't, not much wrong with a DMP army gortex jacket, or a pair of lightweight trousers for most camps, then they can upgrade when they have a bit of money or inclination to go and buy "De Rigeur" kit:rolleyes:
BorderReiver
09-10-2008, 20:34
Better than "Saunatex" any day!
Buy one - vastly better than drowning in your own sweat though something that pretends to be "breathable" but isn't really. If goretex is so good - why do you get so sweaty wearing it?
If it must be waterproof - by basic waterproofs (not the "pretends to be breathable" kind). If it must be breathable - buy ventile.
Don't be conned by people who pretend that Goretex lets all the sweat out - thirty years of heavy outdoor exercise has proved this is total BS
Red
One other thing about ventile; if you tear it and mend the hole the jacket is still waterproof.
If you puncture or tear goretex membrane you have a leaky jacket because sewing up the tear won't do any good.
Barn Owl
09-10-2008, 20:54
I go with ventile now as I'm as wet with g/tex due to sweat as with cotton.
It's also spark proof next to the fire.
On the hill I use Buffalo shirts 'cos of the good venting and insulation when wet.
I've a jacket in Event fabric that 'seems' to be a bit better than g/tex,but I haven't put it to extreme use really,so that's a subjective description.
All in all I'd say g/tex is good for hikers/hillwalkers due to weight packing volume etc.
But give me cotton or ventile cotton on lower ground/woods and round the fire.
After getting wet a few times I did proof the ventile, same results, still got wet. Transition is a nice word, any links on the net for this? I'm 53, and I'm talking about almost 40 years ago, the nylon was welcomed with open arms, we kept drier as I said in an earlier post, but this is subjective to my own personal experience and not a study.
Ventile is the bees knees for the Arctic/Antarcic and maybe woodland etc, but as stated, not the best when its urinating down with rain and your out in the open, and to be honest, I don't like to see another thread that could make someone new to bushcraft camping thinking they have to go buy the 'bushy uniform,' they don't, not much wrong with a DMP army gortex jacket, or a pair of lightweight trousers for most camps, then they can upgrade when they have a bit of money or inclination to go and buy "De Rigeur" kit:rolleyes:
I'll see if I can find it again, was a PDF about the early british outdoor clothing milling industry and manufacturers (Karrimor, Troll etc).
One of the authors was Mike Parsons who was with Karrimor til '96, now making kit with OMM (http://www.theomm.com/home).
Paullyfuzz
09-10-2008, 21:08
I noticed these the other day and thought they looked good. Am I right in thinking the seller is a member?
Yep, Andywink is his user name. Been to his factory, top bloke and cant do enough for ya. Im sure he would be able to make a ventile jacket to your own design if you asked.
Ive no connection, other than knowing him from this forum.
Paul
After getting wet a few times I did proof the ventile, same results, still got wet. Transition is a nice word, any links on the net for this? I'm 53, and I'm talking about almost 40 years ago, the nylon was welcomed with open arms, we kept drier as I said in an earlier post, but this is subjective to my own personal experience and not a study.
Ventile is the bees knees for the Arctic/Antarcic and maybe woodland etc, but as stated, not the best when its urinating down with rain and your out in the open, and to be honest, I don't like to see another thread that could make someone new to bushcraft camping thinking they have to go buy the 'bushy uniform,' they don't, not much wrong with a DMP army gortex jacket, or a pair of lightweight trousers for most camps, then they can upgrade when they have a bit of money or inclination to go and buy "De Rigeur" kit:rolleyes:
Think I found it
"The neglected legacy of Lancashire cotton: industrial clusters and the UK outdoor trade, 1960-1990" (http://www.lums.lancs.ac.uk/publications/viewpdf/002443/)
Particularly like the quote about when ventile immersion suits where introduced in 1941, it dramatically increased their survival rates when in the sea to 80%.
mentalnurse
09-10-2008, 22:25
was thinking of getting one of these made but these look a lot better and cheaper than the ones i was looking at.
saddle_tramp
09-10-2008, 23:45
you want bombproof oilers? get some of these (can even get them in green too)
http://www.guycotten.co.uk/catalog/index.php?cPath=76
rik_uk3, is it a big problem, if you get wet in Ventile clothing? Can't be too cold if it rains.
As long as the Ventile is windproof and you wear a Merino base-layer and a Pertex mid-layer, you should stay very warm. Imho the problem is low temperature - not water.
Out walking in GoreTex - always wet inside
Out walking in Ventile - mostly dry, possible wet inside if the weather is particularly bad.
Answer - carry a disposable plastic smock, cost 2 euros. Perhaps needed every 10th trip out.
I wore a Swanni over a Pendletons' shirt (also wool) and had a my Swedish Snow Smock, unproofed in any way, over the lot and was stood in a downpour for an hour at least talking to a mate. I didn't get wet or cold. What you wear underneath is just as important as the shell itself. Goretex is pants, ventile is much better. If you want to be unbeatably waterproof and breathable, go nekkid!
John Fenna
12-10-2008, 11:50
I guess that skin has to be the original semi permeable waterproof membrane at that!:lmao:
I have seen a Victorian big game hunters guide that recommends keeping your gear dry in a downpour by stripping off and sitting on it!
I bet the porters were well impressed.......