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Dad came to bring me some stuff (bolognaise...and I made a big pan full today too...never mind.)
I was showing him my new treasures including a Sigg bottle (I now have two, a turquoise and a red one)
But he didnt see the point in the bottle, I tried to show him some special features...but I couldnt find any.
Sigg bottles new arent cheap, is there any point to them.
(apart from making a special pouch for like I made Bikething...)
or are they just expensive kit that is fashionable??
British Red
10-02-2008, 22:43
They are pretty tough and I use their specialised fuel bottles and rate them in that guise. I have a couple of "imitation" Siggs (Thermos brand) and a real one I got cheap. I usually cary old 58 pattern water bottles for water though - they work fine, I like the wider mouth for filling and they nest with my cup - and they cost a couple of quid. So as a water bottle - I can't see any real reason for them tbh
Red
bikething
10-02-2008, 22:45
When I started out kit collectin... I mean camping :o, The only choice I had in the local shops were plastic water bottles that had a habit of splitting... or the 'expensive' Sigg bottles (which were the only metal bottles around, before they became copied by the budget manufacturers) Nalgene wasn't around then... so i saved up and eventually bought myself a nice blue one.. this would have been around 1988ish...
it's the same bottle I sent Tengu to use as a pattern - don't think any of my plastic bottles would have lasted that long :D
They are durable. Though the current trend of having a plastic water bottle fitting inside a metal mug is probably almost as good.
Though now certain stores are dropping plastic nalgene bottles, they might get a resurgance.
bushscout1
10-02-2008, 23:35
I got my sigg water bottle around 1990.
At the time, the only alternatives stocked in the local shops were clear plastic.
Clear plastic water bottles allow algae to breed inside if you leave them in the sunlight (eg around camp), plus they aren't as durable if they're inside your 'sack & you drop it on a rock etc.
Although I now use a black plastic NATO water bottle (because it fits with my crusader mug), I still have my sigg bottle - with all the dints & scratches which each have there own story.
Another plus is that if a sigg bottle does get too battered, all you need do is fill with water, screw the lid on & put in the freezer - as the water freezes & expands, it pushes out the worst of the dents - you wouldn't do that with other types of bottles.
I`ve had one for ages and it`s probably one of the most used bits of kit I own. I always carry it in my pack for drinking water alongside an ortleib water bag to fill on the trail. Quality and bomb proof, I can`t remember the blurb but I`m sure they`re made of aircraft grade alu and can with stand being driven over by a tractor of something.
Thanks for the freezer tip bushscout, never heard that one before.
Rich
I never liked the idea that you can't see or clean inside properly.
Nalgene bottles, on the other hand, you can get inside to clean, use as a hot water bottle, put boiling water or food in.
I once had a nalgene that got nicked from my wife's hand by a baboon-thing which gouged holes in it with it's fangs (I'm not kidding!), but couldn't get in. The bottle survived the drop out of the tree, but a sigg would've too, so if you figure out what my point was please pm me. :)
The Baboon would have kept it if it was a Sigg?
firebreather
10-02-2008, 23:50
Simply because they are bomb proof.
I have dropped mine off the top of a cliff face and it bounced all the way down ( I was pulling it from my pack at the top of a climb and my mate nudged me for a laugh making me drop it). When I got to the bottom of the climb it was still in one piece and working fine. I have battered it, a friend drove over it in his landrover and thats just the things that i can remember. I got mine late 80's and its still going strong. Gotta love them :D
Greg
Reading on mysigg.com, claims they are lighter than the lexan counterparts, which find surprising.
Shambling Shaman
11-02-2008, 05:54
I've got two red ones for fuel 1l & .6l
I would not carry mythes in any thing els.
All so used to use mt blue ones as hot water bottles. Still have the blue ones but carry a camelbak these days.
Reading on mysigg.com, claims they are lighter than the lexan counterparts, which find surprising.
Surprising but actually true.
And the low weight is for me one of the main reasons why I really like and use Sigg bottles.
The fact that they can take about as much abuse as you can throw at them doesn't make them worse.
I've had one for meths and paraffin since 1985! and it is still going strong. I've had several others for water and drinks as well which I've lost or had pinched over the years. I'm not really fussed about using them for water but for fuel they are the bees knees:D
Another plus is that if a sigg bottle does get too battered, all you need do is fill with water, screw the lid on & put in the freezer - as the water freezes & expands, it pushes out the worst of the dents - you wouldn't do that with other types of bottles.
I've seen sigg bottles semi-repaired in this way. However the process of freezing can cause further damage, or even destroy, the bottle - especially if you don't keep an eye on the progress!.
In a full and sealed sigg bottle the internal pressure of the water freezing can make bases bulge (making the bottle look like a drunken Weeble*) and can even make its seam split.
*http://www.weebles-wobble.com/ **
** But this one will fall down!
BorderReiver
11-02-2008, 15:09
I'm another champion of the Sigg bottle.
Can't remember when I bought my two,it was so long ago.They are light,strong,almost indestructible.I've got a shaped bottle brush which helps to clean them out a treat.
I sometimes clip the 500 ml bottle to my rucksack strap by the lid using one of these "toy" carabiners if I'm not using a hydration system.
Still the best IMO.:D
I'm another champion of the Sigg bottle.
Can't remember when I bought my two,it was so long ago.They are light,strong,almost indestructible.I've got a shaped bottle brush which helps to clean them out a treat.
I sometimes clip the 500 ml bottle to my rucksack strap by the lid using one of these "toy" carabiners if I'm not using a hydration system.
Still the best IMO.:D
Can get SmarTube SIGG bottle top to use it with their drinking tube.
http://www.bluedesert.co.il/
BorderReiver
11-02-2008, 15:43
Can get SmarTube SIGG bottle top to use it with their drinking tube.
http://www.bluedesert.co.il/
Didn't know that,cheers.:)
I got a Sigg bottle as a freebie years ago and thought it was great. Light, robust and more of a classic than the current 'trendy' nalgenes.
Then around Xmas the nice people at urbanadventuregear.com (no connection) sent me a free 1L Nalgene with a hat and thermal top I ordered - and now I can see why they're trendy.
They're just as tough (according to the blurb anyway), easier to clean, quicker to open/close and nicer to drink out of (wide-mouth).
Ever since I saw two mosquito larvae wriggling in the bottom of my old clear plastic bottle, I've been quite keen on being able to see what I'm drinking. Combined with a sleeve for carrying it, the algae issue can be avoided.
So now I'm one of the trendies:( .
I have a couple of sigg bottles but this is my fav, I have had it years. It goes to work with me every day and has seen loads of action including dropping it off the top of the scaffolding... I never clean it other than a quick shake every morning, but then it only ever has had water in it. It has had 1 replacement top and the one on it is getting quite worn so will need another top soonish. The water in it tastes as good at the end of the day as it did when I first fill it. The only problem I have is the build up of limescale just inside the bottle, but that gets a scrape every so often...
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/jonpickett/003486x648.jpg
I have had a couple of the wide mouth bottles and don't think they are half as good as the sigg, I always tend to dribble when drinking out of them and you can get a plasticy taste after a while...
Well, thanks for the advice guys, it really got me thinking, showing it to dad, normally I can pick up an item and point out exactly why it is such a find, but not the sigg bottle.
(he was impressed by my blanket though, didnt understand why I got a beat up SAK until I explained about the replacement policy and the expense of a new.)
Now I know that my siggs are worth having (freebie one and £1 the other...) I dont like hydration sacks, too hard to clean. (and lets face it, Im conservative)
BorderReiver
11-02-2008, 17:34
I have a couple of sigg bottles but this is my fav, I have had it years. It goes to work with me every day and has seen loads of action including dropping it off the top of the scaffolding... I never clean it other than a quick shake every morning, but then it only ever has had water in it. It has had 1 replacement top and the one on it is getting quite worn so will need another top soonish. The water in it tastes as good at the end of the day as it did when I first fill it. The only problem I have is the build up of limescale just inside the bottle, but that gets a scrape every so often...
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/jonpickett/003486x648.jpg
I have had a couple of the wide mouth bottles and don't think they are half as good as the sigg, I always tend to dribble when drinking out of them and you can get a plasticy taste after a while...
That picture is all you need to make the case for Sigg bottles.:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
littlebiglane
11-02-2008, 17:38
They are durable. Though the current trend of having a plastic water bottle fitting inside a metal mug is probably almost as good.
Though now certain stores are dropping plastic nalgene bottles, they might get a resurgance.
Why are certain stores dropping Nalgene bottles?
Yes, Jonny, why dont you try sending that pic to the sigg company with a note saying how useful its been and what its been though.
They might give you a new, its a good advertisement
BorderReiver
11-02-2008, 17:54
Why are certain stores dropping Nalgene bottles?
Health scare from chemical leaching from the Nalgene.
Why are certain stores dropping Nalgene bottles?
Over fears that bisphenol A is leeching into the water / contents.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071207.wcoop07/BNStory/National/home
Yes, Jonny, why dont you try sending that pic to the sigg company with a note saying how useful its been and what its been though.
They might give you a new, its a good advertisement
I wouldn't really want another tbh..That one has years left in it and has a lot of sentimental value too. I see them as good value, they might cost a bit, but they do last well...
demographic
11-02-2008, 20:09
Can't say I find them significantly better than a placky pop bottle.
I own one but its nowt special and if you have ever kicked a plastic pop bottle around you will appreciate just how tough they are, which considering the fact that they don't cost a tenner like Sigg bottles, is pretty good.
Good for putting single malt in I suppose.
Over fears that bisphenol A is leeching into the water / contents.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20071207.wcoop07/BNStory/National/home
Hmmm.. Slightly worrying, although could be just another knee-jerk reaction - but good of the co-op to take action if they believe there's a question..
Thankfully the use I put my 1L Nalgene to means you will never find me drinking from it... ;)
British Red
11-02-2008, 21:30
Another advantage of the wide mouth bottle
Perhaps the Sigg fans don't find a problem there?
I'll get me coat :D
Red
I have a Sigg fuel bottle but for drinking I use the cheap imitation from Sports World at around £2.50. It seems to be just as durable as a Sigg to me and a lot cheaper.
I prefer the metal bottle over plastic because the plastic ones tend to leak through the lid, especially if they get squashed (which has happened on many an occasion). That's the main reason I like the metal bottle really and they seem to be a tougher than plastic.
Just to try and scrape the tone back out of the gutter:rolleyes: , the bisphenol chat was interesting (though slightly off-topic so sorry).
Anyone else interested might like to know that all baby bottles are polycarbonate and there's probably more evidence that they're safe than otherwise.
Look here: http://www.bisphenol-a.org/whatsNew/20080205.html for the latest. You might consider not heating them up and changing them every couple of years, though even the data to support that is scetchy.
Another advantage of the wide mouth bottle
Perhaps the Sigg fans don't find a problem there?
I'll get me coat :D
Red
Best you had...:p
big_swede
11-02-2008, 22:27
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Clear plastic water bottles allow algae to breed inside if you leave them in the sunlight (eg around camp), plus they aren't as durable if they're inside your 'sack & you drop it on a rock etc.
...
Ok, a keyword here: TIMESCALE!
Has anybody here got an algae growth problem in their water bottles? I sure as h3ll hasn't, but then again I don't let my bottles lay around camp for, what, like a week? Even more? Even if you somehow do get algae in your water, you should be freakin' happy. The extremely low concentration of nutrients of drinkable water would get metabolised into more digestible stuff, like carbs and proteins, yummy. (and also, algaes don't breed, they grow ;)) This was the corniest reason to chose a sigg bottle ever.
Seriously, the sigg bottle is the most superfluous piece of kit ever invented. Durable? Have you broken any plastic pet-bottles lately? If so, how does your other kit hold up? What are you guys doing to your packs? Light, strong-schmrong, is still gets dents from collisions, which a plastic bottle doesn't, it just bounces back again. And if you do manage to break one, they're almost free. They maybe lighter than your average nalgene bottle, but then there are other bottles on the market, even the supermarket. Nalgene has the definite overhand here because of it's wide mouth. Ever tried washing out a sigg bottle?
Come on, be sincere, the only reason to buy a sigg bottle, IS to buy a sigg bottle. Maybe it's just me, but I don't see sentimental values in water containers...
\rant over!
Ok, a keyword here: TIMESCALE!
Has anybody here got an algae growth problem in their water bottles? I sure as h3ll hasn't, but then again I don't let my bottles lay around camp for, what, like a week? Even more? Even if you somehow do get algae in your water, you should be freakin' happy. The extremely low concentration of nutrients of drinkable water would get metabolised into more digestible stuff, like carbs and proteins, yummy. (and also, algaes don't breed, they grow ;)) This was the corniest reason to chose a sigg bottle ever.
Seriously, the sigg bottle is the most superfluous piece of kit ever invented. Durable? Have you broken any plastic pet-bottles lately? If so, how does your other kit hold up? What are you guys doing to your packs? Light, strong-schmrong, is still gets dents from collisions, which a plastic bottle doesn't, it just bounces back again. And if you do manage to break one, they're almost free. They maybe lighter than your average nalgene bottle, but then there are other bottles on the market, even the supermarket. Nalgene has the definite overhand here because of it's wide mouth. Ever tried washing out a sigg bottle?
Come on, be sincere, the only reason to buy a sigg bottle, IS to buy a sigg bottle. Maybe it's just me, but I don't see sentimental values in water containers...
\rant over!
Just to help you with your grumbling...I am gonna be getting me a sigg lunch box to keep my sarni's in....
Pound shop are selling those half litre Sigg clones with copy of flip top lid for, erm, a quid...
big_swede
11-02-2008, 22:45
Just to help you with your grumbling...I am gonna be getting me a sigg lunch box to keep my sarni's in....
...grmmbllllrrr...
Just to help you with your grumbling...I am gonna be getting me a sigg lunch box to keep my sarni's in....
I've got one of those - my sarnies feel very safe in it.. :rolleyes:
Ok, a keyword here: TIMESCALE!
Well, the timescale is one of the reasons I have and use a sigg - it stands up to years and years and years of abuse. The pet bottles I used to use definitely haven't done that.
Seriously, the sigg bottle is the most superfluous piece of kit ever invented. Durable? Have you broken any plastic pet-bottles lately? ... Light, strong-schmrong, is still gets dents from collisions, which a plastic bottle doesn't, it just bounces back again. And if you do manage to break one, they're almost free.
Yep, I've broken my fair share of pet bottles. Admittedly, sitting on my backpack with climbing hardware next to the bottle probably isn't the best way to keep the bottles alive, but the sigg takes that abuse without problems.
And I'm not a big fan of a "use-once-throw-away-and-get-a-new-one-because-it's-cheap" approach to what I do. There's enough rubbish being dumped out there, and I don't want to contribute more than the absolute minimum to it.
C'mon Big Swede, you know you want a sigg too... ;) :p
/ Karl
big_swede
12-02-2008, 08:26
timescale in the sense of algae growth..
I've used the same plastic pet-bottle the last couple of years. Consider the energy used to produce aluminium, compared to what goes into making pet. Add to this the recycling of plastic (alu is recyclable too, I know but demands more energy even in recycling), and plastic still is a winner.
I used to have a sigg copy as a meth bottle, but it weighed more than a plastic bottle... The fact that the threads for the cap wore out was a contributing factor too, but was probably just because it was an el cheapo copy.
And for lunchboxes, mine is made of steel!
BorderReiver
12-02-2008, 10:09
A good point was made about throw away petro chemical bottles.
The world's in a mess because of the cheap throw away culture.
My Sigg bottles are older than a lot of BcUK members,so any pollution and energy waste in their manufacture is well diluted by time.
I dread to think of the impact if I'd used throwable plastic for all these years.:eek:
big_swede
12-02-2008, 10:17
What keeps you from keeping plastic bottles? And again, it's not sure you'd be on the plus side of the energy account even if you're alu flasks are 10-20 years. Plastic last a long time too.
I'm not saying to waste, I'm saying that if you manage to break one it can be recycled with very little energy, as opposed to alu, which have a high manufacturing cost in terms of energy, and still higher energy cost to recycle..
The choice between plastic or alu has nothing to do with cheap throw away culture, it's just sound energy conservation ethics.
BorderReiver
12-02-2008, 10:20
What keeps you from keeping plastic bottles? And again, it's not sure you'd be on the plus side of the energy account even if you're alu flasks are 10-20 years. Plastic last a long time too.
Plastic tends to denature with time and get brittle.Micro cracks form in the surface and make nice homes for bacteria.
big_swede
12-02-2008, 10:32
Plastic tends to denature with time and get brittle.Micro cracks form in the surface and make nice homes for bacteria.
The plastic layer inside the sigg bottle would then probably do the same?
BorderReiver
12-02-2008, 11:52
Not as much,it's not exposed to UV light.
The plastic in pet bottles is petroleum based. That's a waste of oil if you ask me.
The coating in a sigg bottle is water based.
The pet does crack and break after a certain time. It's in the nature of this plastic, it's just a matter of time.
The coating in the sigg bottle is on purpose chosen and design for longeivity. It's not uncommon to see 20 year old, well used bottles still going strong (that includes the inside coating).
With the pet bottle breaking, it's got to be replaced with another pet bottle. That second bottle (just as well as the first one) has been transported using more oil. And normally containing beverages from somewhere far away. And when the second one breaks it's the same thing again.
The sigg bottle gets transported once, and then filled up with the local beverages. It too, will break with time, but by then it's outlived a lot of pet bottles.
The pet gets recycled, true. However, the vast majority gets recycled to lower grade plastics used in, for instance plastic bags and the likes. Also, except for in a few european countries, most pet bottles do not get recycled but just end up as litter or garbage.
The aluminium bottles also gets recycled, unfortunately at a higher energy cost. That's bad. They can, however, get recycled again and again and again.
The sigg bottle requires more energy when being manufactured. Not good.
I don't know which of these bottles is the most environmentally friendly. There are good sides and bad sides with them both.
I do know that I like my sigg bottle, though, as it's served me for quite some years now, and it'll surely serve me many years to come. It's gone from being "just a bottle", to more of a regular companion.
I admit it, I'm a sensitive guy... :o :rolleyes:
No, if I was to swap my sigg for another bottle, it wouldn't be for a plastic bottle.
I'd then go for a stainless steel one. Surely better for the environment, and long lasting as nothing else.
And bu..ger the weight. :cool:
/ Karl
.. snip...
No, if I was to swap my sigg for another bottle, it wouldn't be for a plastic bottle.
I'd then go for a stainless steel one. Surely better for the environment, and long lasting as nothing else.
And bu..ger the weight. :cool:
/ Karl
Good post.
Of course SIGG do seem to make stainless steel bottles.
The SiGG Retro with cup, and the red oval 0.6L seems to be stainless too.
bushscout1
12-02-2008, 20:40
It's amazing that a thread debating the attributes of sigg bottles can come round to how 'green' (and I'm not referring to algae this time Big Swede :lmao: ) various types of water container are.
What is very encouraging is how concious we all are becoming of our impact on the environment and the need to recycle things. :You_Rock_
At the end of the day, we're all different and have our own preferences - so therefore we need choices for aesthetic appeal and the like - and be honest for those that like shiney kit - a nalgene bottle just doesn't buff up quite the same !! :D
If want to greener...
http://www.guyotdesigns.com/stainlessbottles?sc=11
Stainless steel, wide mouth, and carbon negative.
Just to try and scrape the tone back out of the gutter:rolleyes: , the bisphenol chat was interesting (though slightly off-topic so sorry).
Anyone else interested might like to know that all baby bottles are polycarbonate and there's probably more evidence that they're safe than otherwise.
Look here: http://www.bisphenol-a.org/whatsNew/20080205.html for the latest. You might consider not heating them up and changing them every couple of years, though even the data to support that is scetchy.
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/01/30/bisphenol-study.html
Suggests that new and bottles leech the same rate. Putting boiling water in a polycarbonate bottle increases the leech rate 55 times. So boiling water as a method of purification and putting it into a polycarbon bottle doesn't seem a good idea.
I've got a US Army water bottle, dated 1968 or 69 can't remember, but its still fine, works well after 40 years, and its plastic
big_swede
13-02-2008, 07:24
The plastic in pet bottles is petroleum based. That's a waste of oil if you ask me.
The coating in a sigg bottle is water based.
The base for plastic is the rest product after refining crude oil. To quote wikipedia:
Petroleum is also the raw material for many chemical products, including pharmaceuticals, solvents, fertilizers, pesticides, and plastics; the 16% not used for energy production is converted into these other materials.
To not make plastic would be a waste of oil. Wether we like it or not, our way of living WILL be dependent of oil for an unseeable future, so why not try to use the little remaining oil to its full potential?
Furthermore, plastic doesn't have to made from the residues from the crude oil refining, they can infact be vegetable oil based. There are hemp and bamboo oil plastic, and stuff made from both plastic and starch from corn that has equivalent properties to some of the oil based plastics.
Aluminium on the other hand, scarce in the earths crust, is being mined in giant open mines leaving the ground devestated and infertile for really long time. As that wasn't enought, refining the bauxite demands, as said, enormous quantities of energy and the only concievable source of that energy today is nuclear power, which in turn also demands even larger mining projects, for a metall that leaves the earth even more f*cked up than aluminium, namely uranium.
Sorry for goint OT, but this ecological consequences debate is being far too single-sided. We have an oilbased culture, and not to use the residues of that petroleum industry would be stupid. And as said, there are even alternatives on the plastic side, whereas aluminium has none. Use what you will, but don't come rubbing 'waste' or 'ecological' arguments on my big swedish nose, because the two options are really just as bad probably.
A sigg is a sigg, which is a sigg, which is a bottle. And really no different from any other.
To not make plastic would be a waste of oil. Wether we like it or not, our way of living WILL be dependent of oil for an unseeable future, so why not try to use the little remaining oil to its full potential?
I agree.
But why do we have to use it for pet bottles??? Why not in that case use it more in the medical industry? Surely cheaper medical products (which they would be if the "raw" material would be cheaper - no competition with pet bottles - the old supply-and-demand thing) is a good thing for everyone.
This can of course also be argued for aluminium.
However, it is my belief that one aluminium bottle will have the upper hand on a pet, as it will outlive many pets.
The only reason to take a pet would be because its cheap, and the reason for that, is that pets are made in enormous amounts. And then transported filled with beverages from far away...
Furthermore, plastic doesn't have to made from the residues from the crude oil refining, they can infact be vegetable oil based. There are hemp and bamboo oil plastic, and stuff made from both plastic and starch from corn that has equivalent properties to some of the oil based plastics.
Pet bottles, however, are based on oil.
Aluminium on the other hand, scarce in the earths crust, is being mined in giant open mines leaving the ground devestated and infertile for really long time. As that wasn't enought, refining the bauxite demands, as said, enormous quantities of energy and the only concievable source of that energy today is nuclear power, which in turn also demands even larger mining projects, for a metall that leaves the earth even more f*cked up than aluminium, namely uranium.
Yup, that's the bad thing about using aluminium.
Nobody is denying that.
That's also the reason why it's near impossible to say if one thing is more ecological than the other.
In the end, it all comes down to what each and every one of us believes is the ecologically soundest.
I still have to hear any arguments that to 100% (or even less) gives the ecological upper hand to any one of these products.
Use what you will, but don't come rubbing 'waste' or 'ecological' arguments on my big swedish nose, because the two options are really just as bad probably.
Exactly my point.
So, as said, it really comes down to personal preference, believes and choice.
And personally, I prefer the sigg... :)
A sigg is a sigg, which is a sigg, which is a bottle. And really no different from any other.
If all bottles are equal, then this whole discussion is moot, isn't it??
But that's where I, based on personal preference, don't agree... ;)
And maybe that's where this whole discussion ends up - one agrees to disagree... :cool:
/ Karl
big_swede
13-02-2008, 10:01
Again, using residues for plastic doesn't infringe on the part suitable for other uses. The part that is used for plastics isn't suitable for anything else.
And I agree to disagree :cool:
:D
Again, using residues for plastic doesn't infringe on the part suitable for other uses. The part that is used for plastics isn't suitable for anything else.
And I agree to disagree :cool:
:D
Oh, but it does.
Lets look at your wikipedia quote again:
"Petroleum is also the raw material for many chemical products, including pharmaceuticals, solvents, fertilizers, pesticides, and plastics; the 16% not used for energy production is converted into these other materials."
To me that means that the same 16% are being used for medical purposes AND for plastic bottles.
And my point is that it would be better to have less raw material competition in this sector - i.e. don't use this stuff to make bottles - so that it, in the end, can give cheaper pharmaceuticals. Supply and demand...
Agree to disagree... :D
Well when you hit a Sigg it goes 'tink' and when you hit a Nalgene it goes 'bonk'.
I prefer 'bonk'.:p
Well when you hit a Sigg it goes 'tink' and when you hit a Nalgene it goes 'bonk'.
I prefer 'bonk'.:p
:rolleyes: :D
big_swede
13-02-2008, 21:01
To me that means that the same 16% are being used for medical purposes AND for plastic bottles.
And my point is that it would be better to have less raw material competition in this sector - i.e. don't use this stuff to make bottles - so that it, in the end, can give cheaper pharmaceuticals. Supply and demand...
Agree to disagree... :D
Your opinion doesn't really matter here, check with any petrochemical engineer...
Your opinion doesn't really matter here, check with any petrochemical engineer...
I already did...
And thereby, this thread is now a moot and ended discussion to me.
fast but dim
14-02-2008, 15:39
this thread sent me on a search for my sigg, purchased circa 1986? for camping with scouts. from 1988-1998 it was used daily for work on site and in the gym, then i got in the fire brigade and used it when walking till i got a camelback.It has never leaked,cracked or been cleaned.The mouth design is perfect, never dribbling when you drink out of it, and every dint tells a story.
I've just found it, rinsed it and after a good five yrs of storage there was no funny taste.
It's just gone back in my gym bag.
The amount of energy wasted by your computer by sitting and argueing about the enviromental impact caoused by plastic bottles, is vastly greater than the amount of energy used on producing a pet bottle.
Unless someone does a comprehensive analysis of the total amount of energy consumption in a sigg bottle vs. a pet bottle. The argumentation here is just pure biased speculation.