View Full Version : "Possibles Pouch" whats in yours?
Paganwolf
19-08-2004, 19:33
Hi all, what (if you do carry one) type of possibles pouch do you use, and what do you have in yours! this is probably like asking a woman what she carrys in her hand bag, but ive asked it so its tooooo late! :shock:
TheViking
19-08-2004, 19:53
Hi all, what (if you do carry one) type of possibles pouch do you use, and what do you have in yours!
Hmm.... it depends on how long i'm out & about, what kind of trip, terrain etc. But mostly it's all in the shirt/jacket pockets... But if it's a special trip which includes active things, it's useful with a possible bag.
For example if canoeing, it's nice to have one lying in the canoe behind the seat you're sitting on (i mostly sit in front and are the 'engine'), because you must have a lifevest on and if there's things in the pockets + a lifevest, it becomes very overkill and/or bulky... :wink: (tried it and you look like a CQB-man :lol: )
It's great to just be able to put away you possible bag and have maximum freedom of movement, especially when very active! :-)
But the contents:
SAK
Matches or Firesteel
Sewing & Repair kit
Charcloth
FAK
Dog whistle (mostly if I have my dog with me, which I usually have ;))
Dry pair of socks
Watch-compass
Swimming goggles (nice when free-diving)
Trash bag
Knife
'Bear-thread' (very strong, black, polyester thread)
Swedish Army Mess kit (very good to keep the stuff in. Then i'll just put the billy down in a cotton bag)
Paganwolf
19-08-2004, 20:07
Cheers Viking, i was refering really to a small possibles pouch worn on the belt, Ill hve to get a digi-picture of mine, any one got any pikkies of the type of thing i mean? Bison bushcraft do one on this link (pouch/firesteel link), this is the sort of thing i mean V :o): http://www.bisonbushcraft.co.uk/axe/index.htm thanks for the speedy reply :You_Rock_
TheViking
19-08-2004, 20:16
Oh, I see. :wink: The leather one.
Well, in a small pouch like that, I would carry 1 darning needle, 1 sewing needle, 10 m. bear-thread, firesteel, plasters, watch-compass and a little charcloth. :wink: :-) Then a SAK with dog whistle attached around the neck...
Cheers :uu:
Paganwolf
19-08-2004, 20:33
Hey should have put what i have in mine eh :roll: mine contains a fishing kit (in a FoxBox),contains;line, hooks,strong hook length with swivel and hook attatched,shot weights, small sinker weight,couple of flys, lid can be used as float.1st aid kit:butterflys,waterproof plasters,antiseptic wipe.Small clipper lighter,tinder pouch, 5 snares, small knife,needle and cotton,wire saw,and an LED light, compass.I think thats everything! who could ask for anything else! you would be surprised how light and small it all is,i don't even notice its there.
Oddly enough I was just digging around in mine.
I wear a small leather one and in it I carry 10m of para cord, a packet of boiled sweets, wet-fire tinder (a dozen bricks) and a fire steel - I like to wear this on a belt so I know that if I loose my pack ect I still have the means of making fire and shelter ect.
Wearing such a pouch is a good idea as in theory you will loose you trousers last!! :yikes: i.e your less likely to go without trousers than a jacket. But it is also a good idea to select a small pouch so that it is less likely to hamper you and therefore less likely you will remove it when travelling ect.
Lastly I have a matchsafe and compass which are attached to a paracord loop and these are tied to my belt and carried in the pocket of my trousers - again based on the theory above.
My idea of a possibles pouch is the bigger pouch that hunters carry to bring home any small game they're lucky enough to bag. Since there's always the chance of finding some wild plants, kindling or whatever as you forage in the woods, I usually keep a stuff sac in my pocket to carry finds in.
I could never get on with a pouch as you describe them, but keep similar essentials distributed around my trouser & shell jacket pockets. These include an inova X5 and spare batteries, folding knife, windmill lighter, foil survival bag, firesteel, maya wood, compass & whistle - some on traser keyfobs.
Cheers
RovingArcher
19-08-2004, 22:34
Mine is a tad larger, being 4"X6"X6". It's an Eddie Bauer camera case with shoulder strap, but can be worn on the belt (high or low) as well. There is a main compartment and a zippered pouch.
Inside of the zippered pouch I keep:
1-1 gallon ziploc freezer bag for water carry
1-1 oz. squeeze dropper bottle with Clorox Bleach for water treatment
1 disposable lighter
1 Alba Botanica Sun lipcare with 18 SPF rating
1 knife sharpener
Inside of the main compartment I keep:
1 camo head scarf that I use to strain water as well as other uses
1 German military issue pocket utility knife with saw
1 Boy Scouts of America Hotspark sparking tool
1 Aviators Spark-lite survival firestarting kit with spark tool and tinder
1 Altoids tin with homemade firestarting tinder
1 hank of 15 meters 550 parachute cord
1 small role duct tape
1 roll Micropore paper first aid tape
1 package of facial tissue for TP and other uses
1 large feminine napkin for wounds
1 Altoids tin with FAK which includes biofreeze, alcohol prep pads, Benzalkonium Chloride Antiseptic wipes, Imodium AD, Ibuprofen, Benedryl, 2X2 dressings and a few bandaids
1 Altoids tin with fishing/sewing kit
1-55 gallon industrial barrel liner
http://www.hunt101.com/img/181590.jpg
jamesdevine
20-08-2004, 09:27
Gary did you make yours or is bought. I have been looking from some that sounds alot like the one you discribed but to no avail.
James
James I made my first one but bought my latest one - if you want me old one its your, its sound just old.
jamesdevine
20-08-2004, 10:42
Pm on the way
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v342/bearclaw/possibles002.jpg
OK heres mine then - these few items are the essentials without which life might not be possible (hence the name possibles bag) - you might call it a 'crafters' survival kit then again you might not. :nana:
Everything else goes in a day sack but even then I still practice carry less by knowing more.
PS James I'll keep you to that!!
tenbears10
20-08-2004, 13:28
I wondered who got that pouch on BB Gary. It looked great on the gallery, are you happy with it?
Bill
jamesdevine
20-08-2004, 13:43
No worries Gray anytime. :wave:
Yes Bill it is one of Bodies - and yes very pleased - his work is very good.
I thought it a little small to start with, my old one was bigger, as I couldnt get my first aid kit in it as well but then I reasoned the first aid was just as good in a jacket pocket or trouser pocket. While the real essentials could still go in nicely.
mr dazzler
30-08-2004, 20:48
After a span of some 30 years of suspended animation, I am re-discovering the concepts of survival, being prepared etc.
I am working on and learning about details from the wads of knowledge and experience on this amazing site, but a tentatively pencilled-in bag for me will include:-
opinel knife
1m roll of self adhesive sticking plaster
1 or 2 dressings or tampons
some cordage (not yet sure what sort)
small diamond file (gerber)
small lens (c/o canon)
fire steel & tinder
6 soluble paracetamols
space blanket
heavy guage poly bags (x2 -1 v. large 1 small)
Sheet of thick tin foil
cd
Dry socks 1 for me 1 for my boy
rubber tubeing
glucose sweets mint cake white choclate (boy's fave)
matches (waxed in plastic film canister)
a few hooks,swivels, line on little spool, mepps spinners (x2)
6" & 2" nail (to burn holes)
Don't forget I'm still learning and re-discovering things. I'll take this sort of stuff when I go fishing & camping (1 night out) with my boy when he's a bit bigger. I'd try to get it divided among 2 pockets (Flecktarn trousers) and a bum bag.
Anything crucial I missed? Any comments? Should little lad (6) have his own bag?? Thanks lads :wink: :wave:
TheViking
30-08-2004, 20:56
Any comments? Should little lad (6) have his own bag??
I've read about a 7 year old girl, walking in Lapland with her mother. She had her own pack.
It gives responsibility and a feeling og being able to do something, when having a rucksack on, IMO. :D :wink:
Any comments? Should little lad (6) have his own bag??
yes, but maybe his one should be different. containing perhaps just a whistle, torch and survival bag. depends how old he is or what his skill level is.
at a guess, the cd is a signal mirror.
cheers, and.
mr dazzler
30-08-2004, 21:15
Well truth is he has "special educational needs". He was poisoned before birth (healthcare professionals mistakes), and at one time was not expected to walk. He cannot talk either. But yes, touche! You reminded me, I have to persuade him hard to learn new things. I read of the inuit women who get the baby to do kayak paddling excercises and I tried this with him. (Little saws, plane, screwdrivers, drumsticks, ruler, setsquare etc) Took me several weeks to learn him how to use a spoon - same method. Eventually starts to copy me.
Your'e one smart confident kid, but did you read all of the post?? :wink: :wink:
CD I could use as a signal mirror or make lures or anti-kink vane. :wave:
TheViking
30-08-2004, 21:20
Your'e one smart confident kid, but did you read all of the post?? :wink: :wink:
CD I could use as a signal mirror or make lures or anti-kink vane. :wave:
Whoops, guess I replied a little too fast, but i'm doing homework and chatting at the same time so gets interrupt... :wink: :-)
Cheers
mr dazzler
30-08-2004, 21:24
No offense mate :wink:
Homework :roll: never did enough of that, rather went fishing, suffered later in life because of that though. Know what I mean? :wave:
TheViking
30-08-2004, 21:29
Homework :roll: never did enough of that, rather went fishing, suffered later in life because of that though. Know what I mean? :wave:
Yes. :-) Me neither, rather want to go bushcrafting... :wink: But I get it done though! :D :biggthump. Favourite subject is english..... mmm.... :biggthump
Now where here: what can I do better in english? I mean, a lot of you are english, so I guess you know it? :roll: :wink:
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v342/bearclaw/possibles002.jpg
OK heres mine then - these few items are the essentials without which life might not be possible (hence the name possibles bag) - you might call it a 'crafters' survival kit then again you might not. :nana:
Everything else goes in a day sack but even then I still practice carry less by knowing more.
PS James I'll keep you to that!!
How do you carry your belt, do you have it in the belt loops or do have over?
RovingArcher
31-08-2004, 02:21
Gary, I really like your belt pouch/blade combination. I used to carry a setup very similar, many years ago that was made of Buffalo, but as things like that go with me, I gave it away to someone in need.
Belt goes through trouser loops which is easy enough as I wear green army lightweight trousers.
RA it is a good kit and as I say means the essentials are on the thing I am likely to take off last - my trousers!
The question now is what possible pouch you have. I am in need of one, any reccomendations?
Scott easiest thing is a small military pouch - first aid or otherwise, only problem with these is a little bulk.
Leather pouches are expensive - around the £65 mark for a quality one. But you get what you pay.
Or you can make your own - visit a charity shop buy an old leather case or some such and make one.
RovingArcher
08-09-2004, 23:41
I'm currently looking for one of the round flap womens shoulder bags that's around 6" across so that I can convert it to a belt bag. One of these days the church or SPCA thrift shops will have one come up for sale.
I may be able to get a couple like mine - the guy hand makes them, and the leather forming alone takes 24 hrs - but if there is enough interest it might be worth it as i could order in bulk.
Thoughts?
RovingArcher
09-09-2004, 14:55
A good leather possibles bag or pouch is very traditional, has good eye appeal and like Gary said, is a good kit.
Gary, if I were living in your area, I'd be an owner of a fine pouch such as you are carrying.
Thanks RA - may be I'll make you a honoree Essex boy one day and send you a pouch as a gift! :biggthump Be good to see it at a pow wow!
And your right a good leather pouch is a thing of great beauty and more importantly it is a very personal thing which adapts to suit the owner - often reflecting the owners character - leather has that magical quality of continuing to live and change long after its host being has passed into dust. It develops character with age and with age becomes a cherished friend.
I may be able to get a couple like mine - the guy hand makes them, and the leather forming alone takes 24 hrs - but if there is enough interest it might be worth it as i could order in bulk.
Thoughts?
I'd certainly be intersted if the price was reasonable.
I have the kit to make my own but not the time...
Me too, let us know if it's a possibility.
RovingArcher
09-09-2004, 17:40
Gary, you are most welcome and thank you, I'd be honored. I have relatives in your neck of the woods, just havn't met them, so here's a :wave: just in case they are watching. :roll: :lol:
It develops character with age and with age becomes a cherished friend.
Your right, leather gets better with age. I never see a real nice leather wallet in the shops, only ones that belonged to others! If anyone here or at BB could make me a wallet i'm sure i'd be very willing to buy! (not this month though, may have to wait until next payday!).
OK as we know quality doesnt come cheap - I have spoken to the guy and he is willing to produce them but the price will be £50 plus £2.00 for postage. This is much cheaper many other possibles pouches out there.
http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v342/bearclaw/possibles002.jpg
That is for the pouch pictured with the brass sam brown stud, all hand made and stitched.
I must point out this isn't a Bearclaw item guys and as such has nothing to do with Bearclaw - so anyone interested?
Bit too rich for me at the moment, guess I'll have to make my own.
This one,s easy!
The only thing it contains, is one of the wifes ramekin dishes.
T,job is still under construction and thats what I,m using for a mandrel.
Now, what happened to my creme caramel!
Seagull
TheViking
08-10-2004, 16:11
Well, I just found a nice link (http://www.kifaru.net/possibls.htm)! :wink: :biggthump
Metala Cabinet
08-10-2004, 16:35
I'm surprised he left out the wheelbarrow to carry it all in
TheViking
08-10-2004, 16:40
I'm surprised he left out the wheelbarrow to carry it all in
:rolmao: :rolmao: :rolmao: Yeah, you're quite right actually... :roll: :biggthump
ok heres mine.. more of a bag than a pouch but never mind ;)
http://www.bushcraftuk.net/photopost/data/502/241DSCF0067-med.JPG
and the condensed version
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/tomwhite101/DSCF0068.jpg
(in my little billy can there is two candles, and come parachord.. as well as a bit of condensed milk and some tea bags)
this is what i would carry to go and spend the day in the woods or such like, i wouldnt carry all those books but one or other and my note book for sure! :pack:
For a typical half to day out (hills or woods) I'll often as not take a North Face bumag.
This gives room for:
TOOLS - knife, leatherman and folding saw. Gerber ceramic sharpener.
BREW -tiny gas stove and cartridge packed in a crusader mug plus hot choc + couscous
LIGHT - Surefire P6 (long range for trail spotting) and Innova 24/7 LED (lasts ages) since I'm often enough out to 1-2 hours after dark in woods / trails I don't entirely know yet
WILDLIFE - Steiner 6x30 binos, waterproof notebook & pen
JUST IN CASE - tissues, compass, army battlefield dressing, whistle
FIRE - firesteel, waterproof box of tinder and mayasticks
Space for a waterbottle.
This lot covers a multitude of sins, without trying to include foul weather kit, group catering or bivvies out - any of which would make me take a rucksack.
There's no room for anything else, so for a MULTIPURPOSE kit, what if anything would you swap out ?
The same north face bag is equally handy for mountain biking when it just carries 2+ litres of water, toolkit and mobile phone :biggthump
am i the only person who never carrys a tourch.. its very rearly too dark to see, and a touch totaly destroys your night vision...? :?:
am i the only person who never carrys a tourch.. its very rearly too dark to see, and a touch totaly destroys your night vision...? :?:
Tom Tom, some people carry torches for the same reason that you may carry a whistle, it can be employed to attract attention in emergencies, at night a torch is a handy thing to have as it pinpoints a location unlike a whistle at night.
Other people carry a torch because sometimes you require more light to do somethings at night, especially if you need to find something.
If you worry about your night vision use a red torch, it still has an affect on your night vision, but it is far less than white light and at the same time gives you a good source of illumination if required. :wink:
If you worry about your night vision use a red torch, it still has an affect on your night vision, but it is far less than white light and at the same time gives you a good source of illumination if required. :wink:
thanks for the tip :biggthump
Paganwolf
09-10-2004, 10:34
Red light is great for nocturnal animal watching as they cant see the light, another tip for night vision is if you need to use your torch keep one eye closed :wink:
Squidders
09-10-2004, 11:28
I have a little night vision scope... jus the job for observing wildlife at night.
TheViking
09-10-2004, 12:03
am i the only person who never carrys a tourch.. its very rearly too dark to see, and a touch totaly destroys your night vision...? :?:
Nope. I don't either. :wink: As you mention, it ruins the night vision. A good trick I learnt was to shut one eye and see with the other, while the torch was alight. But only do this if it's absolutely necessary, cause it can take up to 30 minutes to get it again. :wink:
I have red and NV green LED lights that are easy on the eyes at night (although I find that white light LED lights aren't too bad for natural night vision either).
Leds and night vision is a it off topic isn't it.
I have just recieved a pouch in black. I'm having great fun deciding what should go in it.
Leds and night vision is a it off topic isn't it.
Not really - it's about what's going in the pouch!
I have just recieved a pouch in black. I'm having great fun deciding what should go in it.
what sort?
arctic hobo
09-10-2004, 19:04
Tom Tom, some people carry torches for the same reason that you may carry a whistle, it can be employed to attract attention in emergencies, at night a torch is a handy thing to have as it pinpoints a location unlike a whistle at night.
Other people carry a torch because sometimes you require more light to do somethings at night, especially if you need to find something.
If you worry about your night vision use a red torch, it still has an affect on your night vision, but it is far less than white light and at the same time gives you a good source of illumination if required. :wink:
Other people carry torches for 24 hour darkness... Your own night vision just cannot be relied upon - I've walked into a lake completely without seeing it, and I shudder to think what might happen should I be on a crevassed glacier or pursued by a bear who can see very much better than I.
:rolmao: ok you win :biggthump
but there arnt to many crevassed glaciers round here or bears for that matter!
Squidders
09-10-2004, 20:48
If a blind person can avoid falling into a lake during the day... why should we at night? if you can't see, don't wander around moaning about it... find a big stick and wave it about a bit... same goes for the bear :wink:
Squidders
09-10-2004, 21:06
I thought I would add a little more...
We're always talking about taking your time and improvising and adapting. Should a possibles bag cover just the things you can't improvise or adapt easily?
I mean a knife, I couldn't bang up some sort of forge in the woods / glacier / wilderness so I'd take one... I like light... I'd take a torch, so what if it ruines my night vision, guess what... I've got this handy torch still and i'll use it until I go to sleep or rest :wink:
If I don't want a torch or don't have one I'll improvise a white stick (I can't believe nobody mentioned that before).
My bag contains the following:
fire steel, legal pen knife and a spare key on a keyring
a petzl tikka plus head torch
Some paracord
a digital camera
a water bottle
a cheapie waterproof (soon to be replaced with a poncho)
This coveres me for everything... I can make fire... yes, I can fell a big tree with a 2.5" blade, it takes time but if it comes to it, I'll make the time... paracord to replace broken shoe laces, tie things together etc... a camera because I like having a record of what I see... a water bottle because I like fluid and a waterproof for if it rains or if I get caught out. minimal but sensible.
what sort?
One very much like Garys. Very well made top quality item with matching belt. So far i have put my mini survival kit in it and thats it. keep changing my mind.
This is my one that was inspired by tomtoms, i tested it out today and it works really well for me
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/YoungBushman/100_0873.jpg
I'll also have a couple of waterbottles in my jacket/trouser pocket.
Oh yeah and I'll also have some sort of stuff sack or binliner to put plants, fruits, kindling etc. that I find when out foraging.
Little Mole
10-10-2004, 21:33
1 large feminine napkin for wounds
It's good to know these can be used to dress wounds in an emergency but if you're stocking a "possibles pouch" don't you think it would be much better to pack proper sterile dressings.
My possibles pouch
http://www.yoxio.com/img/100667.jpg
http://www.yoxio.com/img/100666.jpg
Nightfall
10-10-2004, 21:57
My possibles pouch is a old army butt pack.In it I have tinder,wet fire.and matches. Knife and sharpening board. Parracord, needle and heavy thread.Metal cup,first aid kit also will throw my trainga in there.
RovingArcher
10-10-2004, 22:52
It's good to know these can be used to dress wounds in an emergency but if you're stocking a "possibles pouch" don't you think it would be much better to pack proper sterile dressings.
Actually, a feminine napkin is as sterile and almost as absorbent as a large field dressing. Must cheaper to get too. I carry a Kotex super in all my kits. Had opportunity to see one in action too. I was sitting at the beach waiting for the sun to set and there was a multiple vehicle accident not 50 meters away from where I was sitting. A few of us ran over to check on everyone and a woman had a nasty gash on her head. I reached into my camera case and out came a Kotex super. She was very happy to see it and promptly removed the package and applied it to her wound, which was bleeding profusely. It worked well to stop the blood until the ambulance got to where we were. Oh yeah, good kit.
Swampy Matt
11-10-2004, 20:41
Gary / Wayne
What size are the leather belt pouches that you've got?
I've got a nice piece of deerskin left over from a moccasin project that i'm thinking of turning into a possibles pouch, So i'm just wondering how big to make it.
BIG-TARGET
11-10-2004, 21:42
Firstly the heart of my Possibles bag is my mini-kit. Here is a picture of it that Ron& Karen Hood(Hood's Woods) used for their cover page on Mini-kits (http://www.survival.com/survival_kits.htm) .
The bag I carry the rest of my survival possibles is a camo Austrian Army shoulder bag. A cheapy mylar "survival Blanket, monocular, spare leatherman tool, sarong(use for everything from extra warmth, towel, a$$ rag, & everything less in between), small fixed bladed knife, the latest Volume of "Flashman"( the Flashman papers), and a bottle of Tabasco(makes anything taste good).
ANDYLASER
12-10-2004, 05:28
Tomtom, what is the small billy can you have in your kit?
Tomtom, what is the small billy can you have in your kit?
It would appear to be one of the Zebra billy cans that were placed on offer to the members of BCUK by woodland organics, well it is definitely a Zebra billy, but I can't say what the size is, a rough guess is that it is the 10cm one :wave:
im not sure if it is the 10cm one.. knowing my luck it is seeing as i payed full for it befor the offer became avalible! :roll:
what is the 10cm a measure of if it is diameter, then it is smaller that the 10cm one? that one is about the size of a mug!
Keith_Beef
12-10-2004, 13:50
I thought that a "possibles" pouch was something you carried around, and popped into it anything you found that looked like it "might possibly be useful"...
Surely, if it was full of things to save your hide, you'd call it a "survival" or "essentials" pouch?
I don't have one of these yet, but I have deep pockets and sometimes a small rucksack.
Keith.
The possibles pouch is a name borrowed from the old mountain men and fur traders, the name comes from the fact that it contained those items that made life in the wilderness possible!
And of course it was also coined in a era when survival and bushcraft (hadn't been invented) were actually ways of life and not just part time playthings.
RovingArcher
12-10-2004, 16:39
A little added trivia is that many of the mtn. men and fur traders were French or French-Indian and they were responsible for many of the terms used. Especially the rendezvous, which was a gathering of the mtn. men/traders. Lots of shooting, fighting, drinking, trading and competitions. The rendezvous is still very popular today, although somewhat reserved as compared to the original.
Paganwolf
12-10-2004, 16:55
A little added trivia is that many of the mtn. men and fur traders were French or French-Indian and they were responsible for many of the terms used. Especially the rendezvous, which was a gathering of the mtn. men/traders. Lots of shooting, fighting, drinking, trading and competitions. The rendezvous is still very popular today, although somewhat reserved as compared to the original.
My old French Canadian ancestors knew how to live, sounds a bit like the W/G eh Gary :rolmao:
It does mate - but then as I used to belong to a living history group that re-enacted the Renedevous I suppose I am just a natural.
Although it should be pointed out is wasnt just Voyeguers (french canadian as well as british) who went to these things, it was trappers both free and company men, it was natives and traders (usually the blokes who set the thing up and who made phenominal profits) as well as the odd civilian and priest.
Carcajou Garou
12-10-2004, 17:30
The idea of a possible pouch as Gary said is to have what will make your excursion in the bush easier, so include the minimum that you could use and adjust to suit your abilities as you have more experience. This forum is "bushcrafting" correct me if I am wrong but relates more to the planned excursion (not to be confused with camping) in the bush not the involontary survival scene. Then the possible bag should be worn at all time as you go into the bush as a matter of habit. I do carry such when I go into the bush whether hunting, fishing, a walk, trapping or just roaming. It is a bit more than a survival kit, a bit less than a camping backpack. Along with possible bag I used to carry a hudson's bay ax but now I carry as often a kukri instead and a small folding saw.
just a thought
Paganwolf
12-10-2004, 17:38
where and when is it held in Canada? im going to tour canada year after next it would be nice to incorporate it.
Carcajou Garou
12-10-2004, 17:51
Gary, the first to trade with the First Nations were called "Coureur de Bois" (bush runners) and their success in opening up the routes to the interior led the goverment (french) to try to restrict and dominate the routes and confiscated the furs that the coureur de bois brought in. The focale point came when Pierre Esprit Radisson and Medard Chouard Des Grosseillier were basicly robbed by the french intendant and they after a long stay in England promoting the fur trade, the Royal OK was given and the Hudson's Bay company was started which quickly grew into a lengendary company, the Voyageur was born out of the organised Coureur de Bois. Montreal latter started its own fur harvesting
company called the "North Wester" after many running battles the 2 companies finally merged into the Hudson's Bay Company. The first "Coureur De Bois were "Canadiens" native born men of french and native descent as they were the only ones to be able to withstand the rigours of the trails, canoe routes and climate. After the trails were established and post were built "european" came along and joined the trade. A free canadien trader and his wife Sacajawea helped to guide the Lewis and Clark expedition but that was much later.
just a thought
It does mate - but then as I used to belong to a living history group that re-enacted the Renedevous I suppose I am just a natural.
Although it should be pointed out is wasnt just Voyeguers (french canadian as well as british) who went to these things, it was trappers both free and company men, it was natives and traders (usually the blokes who set the thing up and who made phenominal profits) as well as the odd civilian and priest.
Was it not so that everyone carried a pouch like this, because back then people did not wear clothes wit a lot of pockets. So they had to store their things somewhere else and then they used a small pouch.
Many old cultures were everything that they need in their belr because they often use clothes that has no pockets.
BIG-TARGET
12-10-2004, 18:23
Here is a magazine, popular in the US, that you may be interested in!!!
http://www.backwoodsmanmag.com/
Carcajou Garou
12-10-2004, 19:30
Viking, along with the belt pouch the early trappers as well as some today wear a "ceinture fleche" as long as 12-20' depending on the owner, that served multiple purposes, as a hernia belt such as the weightlifter use many "voyageur ruptured themselves with the very heavy loads they use to carry on the portages, as a purse in itself (in the folds), as tool beltholder: knife, tomahawk, pipe, tobacco pouch etc..., as a rope to tie off and guide a canoe down some parts of the river that was to shallow for a full load. Also the belt showed the area you came from and the style of the maker and it kept your shirt tucked in to act as a stop for shirt carried items, very usefull
just a thought
BIG-TARGET
12-10-2004, 19:43
Heres one thing that should be in any possibles bag, regardless of one's demographic,,,,,,,Dark chocolate Godiva (http://www.godiva.com/welcome.aspx) Bars!!!!!! :angel:
RovingArcher
12-10-2004, 20:25
Carcajou Garou, very good information. Thank you for sharing it.
My 'Possibles Bag'
http://img81.exs.cx/img81/1115/possibles.jpg :biggthump
BIG-TARGET
12-10-2004, 23:14
Nice possibles kit!! :wink:
Little Mole
15-10-2004, 23:52
Actually, a feminine napkin is as sterile and almost as absorbent as a large field dressing.
Actually it's not. A feminine napkin may be absorbent but it's not sterile. As I said earlier, it's good for an emergency but not ideal. A proper wound dressing is manufactured and more importantly packaged in a sterile environment. The same cannot be said for ladies pads, particularly if they're knocking around in your pack with other stuff whereas a proper dressing will remain sterile as long as its wrapping isn't damaged. Anyway, a proper dressing comes with the appropriate bandaging to keep it in place.
RovingArcher
16-10-2004, 00:41
Thank you for correcting my statement, they aren't sterile and for my previous statement, I apologize. It was my understanding, in error, that when toxic shock syndrome occured, they started making the Kotex pads sterile, which is why they wrapped them individually. According to their site, they are sanitary and individually wrapped because women prefer them that way. I'll continue to use them, but will invest in some sterile field dressings as well.
Here is my revised version that i would carry when out in the woods for the day or some other place where i can practice my bushcraft skills in peace. I will also get a small pouch that can go on my belt which will have things in it that can be used to make fire, shelter, purify water, etc.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/YoungBushman/100_0880.jpg
And the bag it goes in
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/YoungBushman/100_0881.jpg
In there is swedish army messkit ( has folding cup, salt, brew kit, spices, meths etc inside), a SAK, Knife with firesteel on sheath, Ray Mears Essential Bushcraft, Notebook, book on trees, string, folding saw, starkie sharp, magnifying glass, matches and a few medical items and a small plastic bag.
BIG-TARGET
17-10-2004, 05:08
Here is my revised version that i would carry when out in the woods for the day or some other place where i can practice my bushcraft skills in peace. I will also get a small pouch that can go on my belt which will have things in it that can be used to make fire, shelter, purify water, etc.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/YoungBushman/100_0880.jpg
And the bag it goes in
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/YoungBushman/100_0881.jpg
Nice combination. Any "firestarting" capabilities????
TheViking
17-10-2004, 10:31
Nice combination. Any "firestarting" capabilities????
:rolmao: Quotes from Young Bushman
Knife with firesteel on sheath
magnifying glass
matches
Paganwolf
17-10-2004, 10:45
:rolmao: no wonder you need a Big-target bruv :rolmao: :nana:
Little Mole
17-10-2004, 20:49
I'll continue to use them, but will invest in some sterile field dressings as well.
No harm having them in reserve but yes, invest in a couple of medium sized dressings or one large. I'm inclined to go for the first option. It's a bit more versatile.
some other place where i can practice my bushcraft skills in peace.
thats one problem i have too. :?:
nice trangia. is it good im thinking of getting one?
Does anyone carry a tinder box?
TheViking
17-10-2004, 21:34
Does anyone carry a tinder box?
I do. With charcloth.
RovingArcher
18-10-2004, 01:22
Umm, I carry an Altoids tin full of Birch bark, does that count? :wink:
Tinder boxes area slightly different things to a tinder pouches.
Tinder pouch is where you keep your tinder, fire steel whatever and is used in a mannor where you remove your tinder and spark onto it to light your fire.
A tinder box is a container (usually metal of brass) in which a tinder and a sulphur tipped match where kept. For the Victorians ect this was the lighter of its day and you would spark into the box to ingnite the tinder, then take the match and ignite that then using the match light your candle, lantern or whatever. Once finished the whole thing was extinguished.
A piece of useless info for you. :nana:
Little Mole
18-10-2004, 18:15
OK...I suppose I'd better tell what's in mine.
My bag is about 8 inches by 4.
Leatherman (dunno what type it is but it's smaller than a wave), survival tin containing fishing line, hooks and weights, waterproof matches, chlorine tabs, a compass (although I'm generally of the opinion that I know exactly where I am at all times but would prefer to be lost), pencil and paper, I think it may also have a polythene water bag and some other stuff I'll probably never use, a nail scissors, five plasters, two bandages and a bottle of potassium permanganate, rescue remedy and three cereal bars or a bag of radishes if I'm lucky. :chill:
There's room for one more item. A survival sheet. I suppose a bin liner would do although we have bashas so there'd probably be room for one of those....if I carried a couple of items in my pockets. Forgot one important item. Rope. I prefer skipping ropes but a line of paracord would be more practical. There are bundles of it all over the house here.
I suppose a proper survival plan should always include some spare cash. £20?
I suppose a proper survival plan should always include some spare cash. £20?
I wouldn't be able to go long without using it to buy some new bit of kit.
This is more of a mini kit than a possibles pouch (although they are kinda the same thing in a way, eh?) but it's what I carry when I'm hunting and fishing. I also carry a small shirt pocket med kit and a small Ti pot, which nestles easily in my hunting or fishing vest. If I have a small day pack, then I also carry a large space blanket and silnylon poncho or rain jacket. More rope too. I've also been known to carry a knife or two. :-)
I have several hip pouch kits I carry as well, depending on location, conditions and what I plan for the day and time of year etc. Most of the time, I mainly need a compass to get my butt out of the woods, usually in the dark.
http://www4.gvsu.edu/triert/images8/minikit1c.jpg
Forgot to mention, I rarely go tromping around without a small hatchet, usually a GB Mini. I think a mini hatchet is perfect for a mini kit, eh? :-)
TheViking
21-10-2004, 16:25
This is more of a mini kit than a possibles pouch (although they are kinda the same thing in a way, eh?) but it's what I carry when I'm hunting and fishing. I also carry a small shirt pocket med kit and a small Ti pot, which nestles easily in my hunting or fishing vest. If I have a small day pack, then I also carry a large space blanket and silnylon poncho or rain jacket. More rope too. I've also been known to carry a knife or two. :-)
I have several hip pouch kits I carry as well, depending on location, conditions and what I plan for the day and time of year etc. Most of the time, I mainly need a compass to get my butt out of the woods, usually in the dark.
http://www4.gvsu.edu/triert/images8/minikit1c.jpg
Wow, that's a nice set up. Small simple things. :biggthump I wish I had a Tru-Nord compass. It seems a little more robust than my Herbertz. :roll:
Hoodoo,
What's that key-looking thing?
Hoodoo,
What's that key-looking thing?
That looks like a Swiss+Tech Utili-Key 6-in-1 Key Ring Tool (http://outdoors-magazine.com/s_article.php?id_article=165)
:-)
TheViking
21-10-2004, 16:32
Have a look here (http://www.outdoors-magazine.com/s_article.php?id_article=165) :biggthump
Yup, that's one of those intelli keys (or utili keys or whatever they call it). Dang near lost it three or four times carrying it on my key ring. The lock seems to lose it's springiness. But it's great for carrying in the billfold or a small minikit. It's my favorite "minikit knife." You can definitely shave magnesium with it and get plenty of spark from a ferro rod. Plus it's all the tool you need to help you do maintenance on the photon II.
Hmm, looks like an interesting little 'useful'...
Nice mini kit you got there Hoodoo !
I can see a rash of medicine style possibles pouches - we have the Hoodoo hone and now the Hoodoo neck bag!
Nice kit btw.
Hoodoo
Whats the blue and orange tube?
George
The blue tube is a small aluminum tube with vaseline drenched cotton balls inside. Made by Bison something or other I think?? The clear tube I scavenged from Doug Ritter's Pocket Survival Pak. It has safety pins, a needle, fish hooks and a snap swivel inside. The thread, signal mirror, stainless steel snare wire, and duct tape also came from one of Doug's kits. Doug puts nice stuff in his kits. :-) The cordage is 100 lb bowfishing line by Mason.
Paganwolf
21-10-2004, 23:12
[QUOTE=Hoodoo]The blue tube is a small aluminum tube with vaseline drenched cotton balls inside. Made by Bison something or other I think?? QUOTE]
very good tinder that hoodoo burns well from a spark for a long time ! :wink:
TheViking
08-12-2004, 17:49
Just to be annoying and tear up this thread again. :wink:
I have added a small green scarf to mine. It's cotton and approx. 50 x 50 cm.
Multiple uses, but primary one will be cleaning and caring for my knives, especially the carbon ones. :wink: :D
BIG-TARGET
08-12-2004, 23:13
Mine is more of a "mountain man" shoulder type possibles pouch. I fact I use a Czech surplus "bread bag" .
It's light brown/dark biege color with a "desert subdued" american flag, Underneath it is a Hood's Woods patch, and to the right of that an OD Bushcraft UK patch!! :biggthump
I have a pic of the front of the bag but I stil can't JPG the pic for posting!! :yikes: :cry:
Here's my basic kit.
http://www.bushcraftuk.net/photopost/data/515/80Poss_kit_1-med.jpg
These live in my jacket pockets rather than a pouch but the principle applies. If all else is left behind, I'll have these with me.
- Silva Ranger compass/clino with traser glowring for reading it in then dark, kept in a neoprene pouch for extra protection.
- Foil blanket
- Inova X5 LED torch in it's own holster plus spare set of batteries
- Windmill stormproof lighter again with a traser keyfob so I don't lose it in the dark
- Lifeboat matches and 3 strikers in a waterproof contact lens pot
- Firesteel, striker and whistle on lanyard
-A couple of maya sticks to help get the fire going in wet weather or as emergency candles
Since the windmill lighter is bombproof and I've a user firesteel on my knife anyway, these are intended as backup. To stop the striker wearing holes in my pockets, I've shrunk some heatshrink tube around it. Same for the firesteel.
I always have an EDC folder or a proper blade on me so there's no need for a separate one in this kit.
Cheers
Here's a handy tip :
If you buy recordable CD's in a 25 or 50 spindle pack, once you've used them, saw the plastic spindle off the packaging. This gives a robust plastic tube that you can wrap a metre or two of gaffa tape around. Also because they are sealed at one end and hollow you can store matches or small bits and pieces in the tube and plug the end with a cork or wooden stopper. Almost a freebie version of these nifty £30 neck tubes.
If you make a wood or horn stopper for the tube, carve a broad but shallow groove all the way round it, then wrap very thin string or thick cotton around the groove until it stands proud of the groove and makes a good friction fit in the tube. Rub wax or vaseline into the ring of cord to help the seal. This is the same method as used to make a friction fit between the two halves of a wooden recorder (penny whistle type thing). Not as secure as a screw thread and O rings but reasonable and easily maintained.
bombadil
10-12-2004, 17:15
My, My....another "possibles" thread! I should have originally posted on this one, instead of starting anew....oh, well.... :roll:
Mine contains:
*SAK
*Appx 10m paracord (plus odds & sods)
*Appx 25m 7mm nylon line
*Fish hooks, shot, swivels and line
*Spyderco doublestuff, ceramic rod and Starkie
*Waterproof matches in safe
*Standard strike-anywhere matches in a shotgun shell
*Tinder bag/spare striker
*Selection of needles/thread (Inc. thick waxed cotton)
*Powdered Yarrow
I've probably forgotton a few bits, but it changes all the time. :headbang:
BIG-TARGET
10-12-2004, 21:41
Slightly OT,,,,,with the possible bags themselves. Does anyone "decorate" their bag like I do with patches, etc.????
BIG-TARGET
10-12-2004, 21:52
BCUK patch :wave:
Same here, along with a Hood's Woods patch(the school I learned survival) and a "desert"subdued american flag. Also, my Lodge special ordered a "generic" lodge patch for me in case I meet a fellow traveler in the woods. :biggthump
I should be getting the patches sometime soon. :wink:
bushwacker bob
10-12-2004, 23:41
Same here, along with a Hood's Woods patch(the school I learned survival) and a "desert"subdued american flag. Also, my Lodge special ordered a "generic" lodge patch for me in case I meet a fellow traveler in the woods. :biggthump
I should be getting the patches sometime soon. :wink:
Sounds like your a patriotic beaver! :rolmao:
BIG-TARGET
10-12-2004, 23:54
If you have a patch of your country on a bag( any bag), it's OK. If you had a patch of the british flag on your possibles/plunder bag. It wouldn't bother me in the least.
Any why I'm putting a Lodge patch on the bag is I know alot of travelers that hunt and camp in the pine barrens. :biggthump
Nightfall
11-12-2004, 06:32
My pouch does not have anything one it. I would like to find a American Flag for it also with a BCUK patch. I am proud to be a American but still dont need to feel the need to advertise it. Some may frown at this but I spent 8 years in the sevrice of my country.
BIG-TARGET
11-12-2004, 21:16
Good for you. The cloest thing I ever done to service was 8 years as a volunteer fireman