View Full Version : Some pics of me Landy...
...just because...
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/Martyn_s30v/landy/southdown0002.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/Martyn_s30v/landy/southdown0007.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/Martyn_s30v/landy/southdown0004.jpg
...i love it to bits.
:drive: :D
Wasn't it black?:confused:
But if you can tell what colour it is, you aren't trying hard enough!:p
huntersforge
08-08-2007, 21:32
Well done mate , That is one nice landy .
I would post pictures of my 4x4 but its a dog and you wouldnt like it :(
Wasn't it black?:confused:
But if you can tell what colour it is, you aren't trying hard enough!:p
Freshly jetwashed today, so I thought I'd treat it to a couple of pictures. I know it may seem odd to some, but I love cleaning it. That is probably enough to get me thrown off the Land Rover Monthly mailing list. :D
It looked like this when I bought it....
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/Martyn_s30v/landy/TONGA901.jpg
Ahh, you have been pimping it, nice one. Why did you lose the alloys though..?
too damn clean.
Try having 2 to clean.
A short cut at work
http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l152/ed90/Landy/PICT0184.jpg
Bradford area ain't all the bad. Mind you its a bit more washed out now.
because alloys get damaged to easily of tarmac. That is why I fitted steel wheels to the Disco
Ahh, you have been pimping it, nice one. Why did you lose the alloys though..?
Partly cosmetic and partly functional Jon. The offset on the alloys is such that the face of the wheel is pretty flat against the mounting, this creates a narrow wheel base which makes the vehicle look top heavy, but it also reduces the steering lock. By contrast, the deep-bowled modulars have a much deeper offset. The effect is to push the tyres out by about 30mm per wheel. Effectively widening the wheelbase by 60mm. This definitely improves handling as it lowers the center of gravity and it gives it a bigger wheel lock, making it more manouvreable. Alloys also crack and fracture, steels are much stronger. Plus I think the modulars just look better. I think alloys are all wrong on defenders.
...oh and Craddocks gave me a part ex on em against the BFG's.
Partly cosmetic and partly functional Jon. The offset on the alloys is such that the face of the wheel is pretty flat against the mounting, this creates a narrow wheel base which makes the vehicle look top heavy, but it also reduces the steering lock. By contrast, the deep-bowled modulars have a much deeper offset. The effect is to push the tyres out by about 30mm per wheel. Effectively widening the wheelbase by 60mm. This definitely improves handling as it lowers the center of gravity and it gives it a bigger wheel lock, making it more manouvreable. Alloys also crack and fracture, steels are much stronger. Plus I think the modulars just look better. I think alloys are all wrong on defenders.
...oh and Craddocks gave me a part ex on em against the BFG's.
Very good....I have some modulars on mine now, it certainly does improve the handling and looks better too, but I keep clipping kerbs now ...
Very good....I have some modulars on mine now, it certainly does improve the handling and looks better too, but I keep clipping kerbs now ...
:D I know what you mean, I've done about a 1000 miles on em now and they do take some adjustment. Definitely glad I switched em though - even if technically it reduces the value of the vehicle.
naylor b
09-08-2007, 15:55
nice landy mate great colour :D
im jealous
BorderReiver
09-08-2007, 15:59
Hey,some rotten swine's stolen your number plate.:p
Seriously though Martyn,she's looking good.:cool:
pothunter
09-08-2007, 16:21
Yes.............B****y Land Rovers..........
fred gordon
09-08-2007, 16:43
I've decided I don't like you Martyn! I don't have a landy any more but I love them and think yours looks fantastic. Be nice to it.:p
I've decided I don't like you Martyn! I don't have a landy any more but I love them and think yours looks fantastic. Be nice to it.:p
:D Thanks mate, I'm told I clean it too much. :D
Dougster
09-08-2007, 19:07
One day I will have a landy like that - but having nippers, I'd need seats in the back, and then laugh at the mirror as they bounce around.
That is very nice Martyn.
reddeath
09-08-2007, 19:33
get a 110 then dougster!
martyn dont you find the step reduces your ground clearence? otherwise very tidy looking mate - would love to take her out and get her dirty!! lol
oldsoldier
10-08-2007, 00:15
I like the BFGs, I have the same set on my jeep.
I want to ask one thing though, as a fellow 4X4er; when you went to the wider rims, did you experience any wobble? It is a common thing with Jeep Wranglers that, when you put in a budget lift kit, and wider rims, you get what is called the "death wobble". Essentially, what happens is that, due to only lifting the springs, and widening the stance, the jeep is a little unstable, particularly when you hit bumps at a decent speed (me, its about 40 mph). I dont know anyone who has a landy, so I figured I'd throw it out there :)
get a 110 then dougster!
martyn dont you find the step reduces your ground clearence? otherwise very tidy looking mate - would love to take her out and get her dirty!! lol
Not sure what you mean ...i took the steps off...
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/Martyn_s30v/landy/southdown0004.jpg
What's on there now are Southdown rocksliding sills with welded on tree sliders. They sit at about the same height as the original sills - maybe a quarter of an inch lower (that's how much I had to cut out of the front mud flaps anyway.). They're not sidesteps, although they do look a bit like em at first glance.
I like the BFGs, I have the same set on my jeep. Great aren't they? I'm well impressed with em - surprisingly good road manners too.
I want to ask one thing though, as a fellow 4X4er; when you went to the wider rims, did you experience any wobble? It is a common thing with Jeep Wranglers that, when you put in a budget lift kit, and wider rims, you get what is called the "death wobble". Essentially, what happens is that, due to only lifting the springs, and widening the stance, the jeep is a little unstable, particularly when you hit bumps at a decent speed (me, its about 40 mph). I dont know anyone who has a landy, so I figured I'd throw it out there :)
Actually I got less roll after I switched to modulars. But the crucial thing there was that I used exactly the same size rims and tyres that were already on the vehicle. The size is absolutely stock (235/65 R16's - about 32 inches I think).
All that has really changed is the offset on the wheels, they are not actually wider, they just sit further away from the hub. No lift on the truck either, just factory shocks and springs. I think you can go upto about 34 inches on a defender without cutting arches or lifting etc.
I think what that wobble you might be referring to we call "bump steer". Cant say I've noticed that it is any more prone to bump steering with the wider wheelbase.
In fact it generally feels a lot better all round.
Before (factory)....
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/Martyn_s30v/landy/wheels001.jpg
After....
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/Martyn_s30v/landy/wheels002.jpg
reddeath
10-08-2007, 09:08
Not sure what you mean ...i took the steps off...
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/Martyn_s30v/landy/southdown0004.jpg
What's on there now are Southdown rocksliding sills with welded on tree sliders. They sit at about the same height as the original sills - maybe a quarter of an inch lower (that's how much I had to cut out of the front mud flaps anyway.). They're not sidesteps, although they do look a bit like em at first glance.
My bad, i noticed em on the original pic - jackable tree sliders rock - and i think enhance the look
again my bad
MartiniDave
10-08-2007, 12:56
Very nice Martyn. But, isn't it a bit, well , sort of, you know, clean?
On a serious note I hope you have some decent anti-theft stuff on it (no don't tell us what it is) I have never really got over the theft of my own defender 90.
Enjoy it mate, there's nothing better than a good landy.
Dave
The Joker
10-08-2007, 17:35
Martyn, I have to say she sure has got the minerals..........Thats what Landy's should look like.
All ya need now is Lara Croft to go with it:rolleyes:
One day I will have a landy like that - but having nippers, I'd need seats in the back, and then laugh at the mirror as they bounce around.
Plonk forward facing brackets/mounts in the back of a 90 and put some Audi 80 seats on them......they work nicely. I've also seen Audi 80 seats put into the front with a bit of jiggery pokery weldy glueing, also nice.
Saw a Lightweight looking for a home today, £1895.00.
On a serious note I hope you have some decent anti-theft stuff on it (no don't tell us what it is) I have never really got over the theft of my own defender 90.
Well, nothing is infallable, but the stock TD5 immobiliser & alarm is actually pretty good. The immobiliser is hard coded into the ECU and is unique to each vehicle. Even replacing the ECU will not work as the ECU's are matched to the vehicle as well. Not infallable, but very good as these things go.
I've done a fair bit of research into the security thing and the best things I could find are the "tracker (http://www.tracker.co.uk/home.php)" - GPS based vehicle tracking system - expensive, but the subscription is for the life of ownership and if you own the thing for 25 years then it becomes cheap. It's electronic though, which means it can be defeated - like all things. It wont stop the vehicle getting nicked either, but there is a very good record for recovery of vehicles fitted with trackers.
The next thing is something called a mecklock (http://www.mudstuff.co.uk/Meck_Lock.html). This is a mechanical lock (no electronics) that locks out your clutch hydraulics and renders it inoperable. The only way to defeat it is to bleed down the clutch and fit a "bypass" then re-prime the system. Takes time and is conspicuous. Even then, you have to know it's there, know what it is, know how to find it and come equiped to defeat it. With the standard TD5 alarm & immobiliser, a mecklock and a tracker fitted, there is little else that can be done. It's not infallable, but it's as good as it gets.
Of course, I'm not saying I have these fitted, but I'm not denying it either. ;) :D
Looks good mate.
I'm also a 'froader, but live in the dark, wet, hole that is Jeep ownership! I've had a little tinker with it though so it's a little more capable than standard. I really like the look of the 90 and was so tempted to get one but they are just too much money with the mods I'd want to do. Jeeps are cheap to buy but then you still have to get the bits, with a petrol it's easy, just ship them in from the US (half price!) but with a diesel it's a little trickier as they didn't sell them over there!!
All good fun though, what kind of off roading do you do?
John Fenna
25-09-2007, 17:34
You landy owners are a strange bunch!
You either paint tham strange and disturbing colours or wash them...
My white van blends in with the scenery in town (natural environment of white vans) or the countryside (it is so unwashed I have that "clean air indicator" algy growing on the roof).
OK it is cr*p off road - and on -road, especially up hills of more than 1 in 100, and is slow But it holds a shed load of gear and even doubles as a camper van with a removable doublish bed (or will take my hammock) plus 3 peoples canoe/bushcraft kit inside and 3 16' canoes on top and still drive from Wales to Scotland on half a tank of fuel without breaking down!
White Van Man Rules!
Except off road ... or up hills..... or in the snow......
Looks good mate.
I'm also a 'froader, but live in the dark, wet, hole that is Jeep ownership! I've had a little tinker with it though so it's a little more capable than standard. I really like the look of the 90 and was so tempted to get one but they are just too much money with the mods I'd want to do. Jeeps are cheap to buy but then you still have to get the bits, with a petrol it's easy, just ship them in from the US (half price!) but with a diesel it's a little trickier as they didn't sell them over there!!
All good fun though, what kind of off roading do you do?
Very little in truth. It's more of a general utility vehicle, I just use it to lug me and me stuff to nice places that can be a bit awkward to get to. Though I dare say I could get there in a fiat panda at a push. I know it's kitted as an offroader, but it just sort of grew that way. I started by putting a steering guard on it as a sensible precaution, then I thought I prolly should add some diff guards just in case. Then I spotted the bumper for sale and thought it would look good as well as offer some easy recovery points. I never liked the alloys and general grabber road tyres, so swapped em for modulars which I think suit the vehicle better. The mud tyres came from a lot of looking around and people saying that they were the best all round tyre. I have to say that I have not had any problems with on-road performance and would recommend BFG muds to anyone. The rocksliders came from a desire to fit it with jackable sills. Step back and bling - an off-roader. But I never really set out to mod it like that particularly. I aint going any further though. I'm happy with it as it is. I can get pretty much anywhere with it and it's nicely armored now. Maybe a few bits on the interior and some stuff at the back I want to do.
[QUOTE=Martyn;314391] I know it may seem odd to some, but I love cleaning it. QUOTE]
Wadda tart. I clean mine once a year on its birthday weather it needs it or not.
Its very nice, too nice. I bet your frightened to scratch it!! :)
OK, can't resist, here's a piccy of my 'cherry' in action!!
http://fazer-mania.co.uk/coppermine/albums/userpics/10149/Mud.jpg
http://fazer-mania.co.uk/coppermine/albums/userpics/10149/Going_In.jpg
MagiKelly
26-09-2007, 20:17
Got my new defender last week. It is a company car so not much I can do to it. I have fitted extended seat rails for my lanky legs and have ordered a smaller steering wheel and boss kit for the same reason.
It will not often be this clean.
http://www.songofthepaddle.co.uk/newdefender1.jpg
http://www.songofthepaddle.co.uk/newdefender2.jpg
Wow, she's a beaut John. How do you find her compared to the old girl?
What steering wheel did you get? Been looking for a smaller wheel meself.
If you look at Toby's photo again, you can see the rope to the landrover which is pulling the jeep out....
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/jonpickett/Going_In1.jpg
MagiKelly
26-09-2007, 21:36
Wow, she's a beaut John. How do you find her compared to the old girl?
What steering wheel did you get? Been looking for a smaller wheel myself.
The new engine certainly seems to have more pull. The six speed gearbox is great for motorways as well. Also the sound insulation is hugely improved. I had additional insulation fitted to my TD5 but it is not needed at all in the new one.
The steering wheel I have ordered is just a cheap basic 14 inch wheel from Craddocks. I want to see how I get on with it first. If the size works out well then i might get a better one. The boss kit for fitting it is said to bring the wheel closer to the driver which would help with leg space. The extended seat rails give the seats about 2 inches extra travel back the way but they also lift the seat about an inch. So although you get more leg room you start to foul the wheel a bit ( well you do with lanky legs like mine)
I had the side rails fitted and have a new stereo with a Ipod adaptor. I also have the cold weather kit with heated seats and windscreen. I also got the seven seat version. The seats in the very rear of the 110 are now proper forward facing seats with three point belts so a huge improvement and turn the 110 into a proper 7 person transport.
Also the sound insulation is hugely improved..
I HAVEN'T GOT ANY SOUND PROOFING IN MY LANDY.....
If you look at Toby's photo again, you can see the rope to the landrover which is pulling the jeep out....
You cheaky bugger!! I wouldn't use a black rope, you'd never find it in the oil spill coming from your landy!!
You cheaky bugger!! I wouldn't use a black rope, you'd never find it in the oil spill coming from your landy!!
Lol....But the oil spill (leak) is under the landy not in it.....You should see the state of my driveway.....
Just marking it's territory mate. ;) :D
Got my new defender last week. It is a company car so not much I can do to it. I have fitted extended seat rails for my lanky legs and have ordered a smaller steering wheel and boss kit for the same reason.
It will not often be this clean.
http://www.songofthepaddle.co.uk/newdefender1.jpg
http://www.songofthepaddle.co.uk/newdefender2.jpg
Oh lucky Madge, hes got a receing Landy.
I test drove one of those, and quick is an understatement.
Lucky git!! :)
crazyclimber
28-09-2007, 10:00
Wow, looks fantastic. The landi, the BMW, and the Audi too in the background. That's taste ;)
I've got a roll and a bit of dynomat knocking about if anyone wants it. Was gonna bin it, as my new freelander is a lot quieter than my previous car, a V8 Rover P6 :)
scent marking! brilliant!!
Spacemonkey
19-10-2007, 20:04
Nice tyres.. I was on the lookout for some new tyres and after MUCH research settled on the newish Kumho KL71 MTs. They have a large block pattern and softish rubber so grip like a good 'un on the road as well as off. SO far I have only had dry roads to drive on (only fitted yesterday) and they grip far better than the ATs I took off.. No noticable tyre noise except a low drone at 40-50mph and braking is normal. According to reviews, they wear very slowly and grip well in the wet and snow and also mud of course. The only snag is that being a directional tyre, the spare can be iffy but i mounted it as a left hander assuming that most punctures will come from the gutter. Set of 5 from tyresdirect.com for £356 delivered. Fitted at £10 each.
I got 31x10.50-15s which gives 2" diameter increase from standard and thus a 1" diff lift. Next is a 2" suspension lift with Old Man Emu kit. Very pleased with this car and I'm driving it to Hungary next week via France, Germany, Austria and back through Serbia, Croatia, Italy, Switzerland and back though France again, then around the SouthWest and Wales to give some funny foerign types a tour of my country in an exchange for the tour in theirs that I'd have just done.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/DSC00345.jpg
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/DSC00346.jpg
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/DSC00347.jpg
Packet Ford Lane ford near Iver, Middlesex. yes, that's in London... Pulled some fishing tackle off the wishbone the next day!!
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/Videos/th_MOV00020.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/Videos/?action=view¤t=MOV00020.flv)
Stratford Tony ford, just below Salisbury.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/Videos/th_MOV00004-1.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/Videos/?action=view¤t=MOV00004-1.flv)
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/Videos/th_Pajgoingdownsmall.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/Videos/?action=view¤t=Pajgoingdownsmall.flv)
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/Videos/th_PajgoingDOWN.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/Videos/?action=view¤t=PajgoingDOWN.flv)
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/Avatars/MitsifucksLandy.gif
nice bit of 'froading!!
Where's the air intake on the Paj? If you're going to keep doing the wading you may want to seriously consider a snorkel! Trust me, it'll save you a fortune!!
Spacemonkey
19-10-2007, 22:12
Snorkel is on the list of 'To Fit' items below the Old Man Emu suspension. The air intake is inside the top of the wing below the window- so it's quite high and protected. Up to the front lip of the bonnet is about max. Coped perfectly in the Summer Floods here in the Cotswolds. Still took 6 hours to do a 3 hour journey, but got through floods that infidel cars were drowned in...
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/Videos/th_8aed7a7e.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/Videos/?action=view¤t=8aed7a7e.flv)
Cairodel
19-10-2007, 22:39
Wow, Spacey, wotcha going to Hungaria for...???:sulkoff: :lmao:
Well...here's the old girl. Passed its MOT yesterday with flying colours (again).
Nice tester, he let me walk his guide dog while he was checking it over.:D
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h248/chopper692006/LandyCampingSpec.jpg
Nice one Chopper, sounds like you use the same testing station as me...:D
I see you carry the rope on the front for dragging out the jeeps and mitsubishi's, thats very nice of you....
Philbert
20-10-2007, 00:28
Oh the lovely landys!!!!
Nicely kitted out chopper.
I also like to keep mine as clean as poss. It shows the mud better when you drive round town:) Also helps keep the dreaded rust at bay. Hope you all have a nice coat of waxoyl or similar on your chassis. Apparently a dirty Landy can take two weeks to dry out while a clean one will take a few hours:Wow:
Nice picies. Dont have any of mine on line yet.
Spacemonkey
20-10-2007, 00:36
Wow, Spacey, wotcha going to Hungaria for...???:sulkoff: :lmao:
Sasquatch hunting. And I hear the Circus is in town...:naughty:
Nice kit Chopper.. Nice to see the rope is already attached to the front for a nice man in a Mitsi to tow you home. :drive::lmao:
Snorkel is on the list of 'To Fit' items below the Old Man Emu suspension. The air intake is inside the top of the wing below the window- so it's quite high and protected. Up to the front lip of the bonnet is about max. Coped perfectly in the Summer Floods here in the Cotswolds. Still took 6 hours to do a 3 hour journey, but got through floods that infidel cars were drowned in...
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/Videos/th_8aed7a7e.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/Videos/?action=view¤t=8aed7a7e.flv)
Was that a metro in front of you? :p :D
Nice set of vids mate.
Spacemonkey
20-10-2007, 00:59
Yes.. the plonker in the Metro had delusions of granduer and kept trying to OVERTAKE the van in front!!! 2 months later I saw it wrapped around a tree...
The deepest bit came up to the headlamps but I couldn't film it as there were coppers in it... in a Landrover of all things.. ;)
When you 'laning yours Martyn? Looks really good btw.
More gratuitous green laning videos all done on roady AT tyres and standard suspension. The bit we climb around on was a heck of a lot steeper than it looks on vid..
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/Videos/th_SalisburyPlainLanes16-06-07part1.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/Videos/?action=view¤t=SalisburyPlainLanes16-06-07part1.flv)
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/Videos/th_SalisburyPlainLanes16-06-07part2.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/Videos/?action=view¤t=SalisburyPlainLanes16-06-07part2.flv)
The air intake is inside the top of the wing below the window- so it's quite high and protected. Up to the front lip of the bonnet is about max.
Out of curiosity, what's the factory recommended wading depth on a stock Paj?
When you 'laning yours Martyn? Looks really good btw.
The A34 mostly. :rolleyes:
I need to find more places to have some fun.
Sasquatch hunting. And I hear the Circus is in town...:naughty:
Nice kit Chopper.. Nice to see the rope is already attached to the front for a nice man in a Mitsi to tow you home. :drive::lmao:
a Mitsubishi could'nt tow the skin off a rice pudding!! :p :p :p
I remember having a Shogun...I swept it away when it rusted away just after its fifth birthday, thats when I saw the light and bought a real 4X4. :notworthy :notworthy LAND ROVER:notworthy :notworthy ;)
a Mitsubishi could'nt tow the skin off a rice pudding!! :p :p :p
I remember having a Shogun...I swept it away when it rusted away just after its fifth birthday, thats when I saw the light and bought a real 4X4. :notworthy :notworthy LAND ROVER:notworthy :notworthy ;)
I used to have a shogun too....I only off roaded it once...I was driving along a road and saw a disco stuck in a field, I thought I would help, having this nice shogun with locking diffs etc.....Yes it ended up with two cars stuck in the field.....:rolleyes:
Spacemonkey
20-10-2007, 09:19
:buttkick:
Mine's been ace.. and no rust... :headbang: Towed my mates Omega yesterday down the road and it had stuck brakes. Towed it on tickover...:notworthy
Martyn, stock recommended wading depth I believe is centre of hubs. Boring... Air intake is quite high and protected so I guess that's just a margin of safety. Trouble is, the only snorkel available are Safari ones at about £250. A lot of money for a bit of plastic tubing..:( I've had it up to the front of the bonnet many times.
I used to have a shogun too....I only off roaded it once...I was driving along a road and saw a disco stuck in a field, I thought I would help, having this nice shogun with locking diffs etc.....Yes it ended up with two cars stuck in the field.....:rolleyes:
It must have been the wrong type of mud :D :D :D
Land Rovers NEED hand crafted parts!!
Home made snorkle - Get the £25 sand type snorkle top (fits inside drainpiping), then get 1No length of standard drain pipe, 2No standard drainpipe brackets, 2No 90 degree joints for the top, and as many as you need for the lower lengths, then joint it all together using plastic cement/ hotglue gun. The drain pipe fits inside the opening into the air filter cannister (ie remove the air trumpet from the bit the air filter is in).
I did that for my G reg Disco and the chap who bought it drove up from Devon BECAUSE it had a snokle!!
Wading - while the engine air intake is up at the top of the wing, the axle and gearbox/transfer box breather tubes end up in the wheel arches. So, when your nice hot axle drives into a lovely cool stream, the air in the axle contracts and if you're in too deep, sucks the water & silt into your axle/gearbox/transfer box (£££).
Chris
I remember following a Fire Brigade landy through some floods on the fosse way from the summer, one guy had to get out and check they weren't too deep. He did a double take as he saw me following behind!!
Had a call at 4pm from a mate stuck in gloucester, finally arrived at 12pm because people didn't realise that deep water was bad for cars!! Muppets.
Got my snorkel from a chap in france on fleabay £180 all in...