View Full Version : I tested the F1
Having read debates about the F1, I decided to try the F1. I borrowed it from a mate. (didn't know he had one and was planning to buy one first.) So here's the review:
Blade:
I like the shape of the blade. I've got a few BRKT knives so I'm familiar with convex grinds. In fact like them a lot. I noticed the F1 had a small secondary bevel. Not to my taste. My friend didn't like it either, so we removed it. The VG10 isn't all that difficult to sharpen imho.
The blade is too thick for my taste. I think the angle of the grind is too acute.
Fuzzsticks:
Did a fair job although the thick blade made it more difficult to control. I then used my BRKT Huntsman, which is about the same thickness, and it felt a lot better. I think the only reason for this is a better geometry.
Carving:
Horrible! I'm used to convex edges, but this one didn't work at all for me! I found it very hard to control. Not like my Snowy river.
Food preperation:
It did ok. Didn't have any problems cutting meat. It did split carots however.
Batoning:
Well the F1 is a beast! I had no problems splitting willow and birch. Edge was in great shape afterwards.
Handle:
I don't like it. The termorun handle feels slippery and too much hot spots. The handle is too thin for me. Perhaps it's better to buy a blade blank? Don't know.
Sheath:
It had a leather fold-over sheath. Good quality.
Conclusion:
This knife is below average imo. It doesn't do anything great except batoning. Some people will probably like it, but I don't. Perhaps if Fallkniven would change their geometry and make the handle a bit thicker, I would like it. Now I don't. I'd take a scandi or a BRKT over an F1 anytime.
Michiel
Hmmmm, I say you need to sharpen it.....I have had no problems, see here, post 409 onwards http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19692&page=9 The knife shouldn't of had a secondary bevel, maybe its been sharpened wrong. I agree it is a bit too thick, but so easy to sharpen and personally, I find a joy to work with. I even carve wood with it...
I have made custom verions of the F1. I use one myself all the time. It is very much a horses for courses type of knife, but it is one of the best production blades that I have come across.
If you do not like the grind reprofile it, believe me it is worth the trouble to do so, if you do not believe me if you are at the bushmoot ask me if you can use mine (I will keep a watchful eye as it is my knife), but they are far from below par.
I have been using the F1 and the H1 for a number of years and they are far superior to many of the others I have had the use of, this is only my opinion, but in the correct hands the F1 is one of the best cutting tools you can buy.
I have a Bark River which they failed to produce the knife they promised and that I asked for, if you don't like the knife as it is buy the blade blank and do with it and the handle as you wish. You will end up with a tool that suites you and not what the manufacturer thinks you want.
As far as fuzzsticks are concerned there are no worries, nor are there prep for anything else, all you have to do is reprofile the blade a little.
There is nothing wrong with the knife, just as in the old days they would make the tool suite the job, now people are too lazy to do the work, yes they are quite expensive, but you get a lot of knife for the expense, use it.
British Red
26-07-2007, 01:11
Its interesting to read michiels views. I feel much as he does about the F1 - I just don't get on with it. That said, I have seen the results in other peoples hands and they do great stuff with it. So, with great respect to Leon, I disagree. There are a whole world of knives out there, different knives suit the needs and styles of different users. If you don't like it (and I don't) pass it on to someone who does and get yourself a knife you like.
A lot of it depends on your intended uses and the way you grip and hold and sharpen a knife. I actually don't hate convex (although I always rag that I do). The gentle convex on BRKTs is very different to Falknivens and since I often field sharpen my scandys and can't be bothered doing it a la bench stone, they get a gentle convex. It doesn't stress me on some knives - on others (my Axelsson and the PFK) I maintain a true zero grind on. Its really just working out what you want from the knife and what suits you.
The F1 is not what I want from a knife - or you michiel from the sound of it. It works well in Jon's hands and Leon's too from the sound of it. That's okay.
Since its things like the geometry and handle that are uncomfortable in our hands, I suggest its not worth pursuing and more fruitful to pursue something that works for us.
I think its okay not to agree on tools - glad to have another member of the ""not for me" camp :D
Red
Nice review Michiel. I just broke the tip off my Brusletto (unlocked my gun cabinet at silly o'clock yetrday morning - the cabinets is in our bedroom!!!! - the door would not open, tried the locks a dozen times...pulled like a mad thing on the key....nothing, reached for the knife, wedged in and levered the door open and took a few mil off the tip in the process - believe me SWMBO didn't approve of all the metalic clanging and lumping about at 04:30) so maybe looking for a £40 -£70 knife.
Have I missed the F1/ PFK duel?
The f1 would make a supurb gun cabinate opener! :D
I am going to try thinning the convex on one and see how it works
You guys are right about reprofiling. It would make it a lot better. However, it's not my own knife so I can't do that. The handle would still be bad.
I'm a person who thinks a knife should be good to use out of the box. Maybe after some sharpening. This knife failed me. Maybe I'll buy a blank, reprofile it and handle it myself.
So the conclusion: I don't like the standard F1, but maybe I can make it better.
Michiel
I don't like the standard F1, but maybe I can make it better.
Michiel
That's more the point mate, the standard F1 I find the handle to narrow which makes it awkward to work with. I had been reasonably happy working with it as normal, with my own handle shape, but then my brother asked me to rehandle his F1, he had re-profiled his and there is a marked difference in performance. I reprofiled mine with quite an aggressive edge (it's about a 17 degree bevel), it withstands batoning carving and all other camp chores without any problem even though it is quite a severe reprofile.
Oh that's the other thing, if you don't like the handle on the standard F1 try it with a heavy glove on, it does make a hell of a difference. Unfortunately I have no requirement here to wear a heavy glove whenever I am out and about.
Have I missed the F1/ PFK duel?
Don't know is there is going to be an other duel, but there are some pics in the topic about the PFK.
Michiel
sxmolloy
26-07-2007, 12:28
Have I missed the F1/ PFK duel?
I was wondering about this. Was it British Red vs Jon Pickett, or at least their favourite knives anyway......:rolleyes:
British Red
26-07-2007, 13:36
We did do a few "online" challenges showing various feathersticks etc. cut with the two knives. It got silly since we could both fo almost anything we wanted :). We may well continue of course in the name of silliness when Jon pops round next!
Red
Dougster
26-07-2007, 14:10
All good contests should be done in the name of silliness.
I enjoyed this one - it only lacked the soundtrack of raspberries being blown.
I'm looking forward to round two. I think we could get challenges set by the viewers.......
Destruction testing?
:eek:
Maybe not!
:rolleyes:
British Red
26-07-2007, 14:26
Already dinked mine :(
I was battoning though and to be fair that was something Stu and I discussed that the grind angle was too steep for - but it had to be tried :o
Red
Already dinked mine :(
I was battoning though and to be fair that was something Stu and I discussed that the grind angle was too steep for - but it had to be tried :o
Red
You were battoning. Why? You've got loads of axes!
:rolleyes:
Could have levering open my bl**dy awkward gun cabinet as one test........but not at 04:30 am.
sxmolloy
26-07-2007, 15:05
Could have levering open my bl**dy awkward gun cabinet as one test........but not at 04:30 am.
If your wife was unimpressed with you doing it at that time, I'm sure she would be over the moon if 2 bushcrafty looking blokes joined you in your bedroom........NOT :rolleyes:
Dougster
26-07-2007, 17:04
Erm , what do bushcrafty blokes look like?
Just a little off thread, s o rry......
British Red
26-07-2007, 18:14
Good question spam! Err to see if I could...even though I knew I'd designed it too acute..because I listened to the voices!
Red
bushblade
26-07-2007, 19:21
Conclusion:
This knife is below average imo. It doesn't do anything great except batoning. Some people will probably like it, but I don't. Perhaps if Fallkniven would change their geometry and make the handle a bit thicker, I would like it. Now I don't. I'd take a scandi or a BRKT over an F1 anytime.
Michiel
I've been using the F1 for about 8 years now, and despite owning many knives its still the first choice for me for bushcraft.
I like them that much I bought a second F1 when they changed to laminated VG10 a few years ago and gave my first F1 to a good friend
To say they are below average is a bit strong IMHO :cussing:
Some old pics but all work was done with the F1, a delight to use.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t250/bushblade/PICT0290.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t250/bushblade/PICT0255.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t250/bushblade/PHTO0075.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t250/bushblade/Ladle1.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t250/bushblade/DSCF0049.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t250/bushblade/DSCF0044.jpg
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t250/bushblade/DSCF0038.jpg
sandbag47
27-07-2007, 04:00
hi folks ....where can i get a BRKT from ?
British Red
27-07-2007, 09:12
Sandbag,
Heinnie Haynes due a few of them but there are hundreds of designs - there is a person on British Blades who ships worldwide if you ask over there
Bushblade,
I don't think michiel was "a bit strong" in the least - he actually said it was below average "in my opinion". In michiels opinion it is below average. Its an opinion I agree with. Its clearly an opinion you don't agree with, that okay too. Opinions are just that - one persons view.
In my opionion its a complete horror of a knife. Leon makes the point that you can make a good knife out of it if you change the profile and the handle. I'm sure you can but why should you have to?
Isn't that the joy of this forum - people reading these reviews can see a knife and decide that its clearly a tool that is a "love it or hate it" design and might decide to "try before they buy" as michiel did. Michiel saved himself some money by doing so which has to be a good thing surely?
Red
Dougster
27-07-2007, 09:16
I am coming to the opinion that I need different knives for different jobs. I have Stuart Mitchell hollow and scandi grind knives - he's just taken an order for my design which has a convex (and that's all I'm saying, except it's D2).
When I go out for different things, I'll take a different knife.
Sandbag,
Heinnie Haynes due a few of them but there are hundreds of designs - there is a person on British Blades who ships worldwide if you ask over there
Bushblade,
I don't think michiel was "a bit strong" in the least - he actually said it was below average "in my opinion". In michiels opinion it is below average. Its an opinion I agree with. Its clearly an opinion you don't agree with, that okay too. Opinions are just that - one persons view.
In my opionion its a complete horror of a knife. Leon makes the point that you can make a good knife out of it if you change the profile and the handle. I'm sure you can but why should you have to?
Isn't that the joy of this forum - people reading these reviews can see a knife and decide that its clearly a tool that is a "love it or hate it" design and might decide to "try before they buy" as michiel did. Michiel saved himself some money by doing so which has to be a good thing surely?
Red
Thanks for the defence Red :)
I first wanted to buy one (even contacted red for one:D )
Glad I didn't. The knife just doesn't work for me. If it works for you, then by all means use the hell out of it. Looks like you can make some great things with the F1. Keep up the good work!
Michiel
sxmolloy
27-07-2007, 09:42
Erm , what do bushcrafty blokes look like?
Just a little off thread, s o rry......
Normally dressen in olive green or camo, a tilly hat or some sort of head gear, dirty boots, knife hanging from the belt, axe close by, a torch somewhere on their person, pack pack on back, eyes red from wood smoke, and of course one hairless arm from testing the sharpness of their knife :D :D :D :D Missed anything?
S0.rry to take this off topic....ATB....Stu
bushblade
27-07-2007, 10:29
Bushblade,
I don't think michiel was "a bit strong" in the least - he actually said it was below average "in my opinion". In michiels opinion it is below average. Its an opinion I agree with. Its clearly an opinion you don't agree with, that okay too. Opinions are just that - one persons view.
In my opionion its a complete horror of a knife. Leon makes the point that you can make a good knife out of it if you change the profile and the handle. I'm sure you can but why should you have to?
Isn't that the joy of this forum - people reading these reviews can see a knife and decide that its clearly a tool that is a "love it or hate it" design and might decide to "try before they buy" as michiel did. Michiel saved himself some money by doing so which has to be a good thing surely?
Red
So its all ok then