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I'd like to propose a show and tell on response paks and similar pieces of grab kit. I know a few people have the response paks, I had a quick look at Grahams and Waylands' response paks at Delamere, but some of the things that end up inside are down to personal preference and also personal ideas.
Andrew at Outdoorcode sells them, and the price is fair and difficult to beat, he must have sold a few more so for those that have bought them, how about posting up some pics of your load out and what you use the response pak for. Also, any modifications that you have made, such as removing the jangly zip pulls and replacing with 550 cord, or adding a shoulder strap.
I will get some pics up tomorrow hopefully, as I have located the camera. Today would have been good for some snaps but I was up the farm with the kids checking out Elvis the happy pig. He is a breeder, not for eating, and has at least 15 lady pigs vying for his attention, so you better believe that he is happy!!
Back on subject though, I have packed my response pack with the kit that I tend to forget, that can be used on a long trip or a day hike and I can ditch a few things here and there if I like if I'm just going out for a quick walk. I'll go in to more detail when I get the pictures up, I don't expect many responses to this thread today as hopefully pictures will need taking! :D
firebreather
27-04-2007, 22:21
Come on people show and tell ......as i am thinking of getting one of these. I would really like to know what you all think about them and how you pack them. :D
Gailainne
27-04-2007, 23:07
Nice one Spamel :D
It should give me some ideas, I'm still looking for those mini carabinas :rolleyes:
Stephen
Nice one Spamel :D
It should give me some ideas, I'm still looking for those mini carabinas :rolleyes:
Stephen
Me too, I had a look on their website, but they don't actually sell them and point you instead to retailers in your area. I need to check Blcks and a climbing shop in Meadowhell out, they may come up trumps.
Nicking other peoples ideas is the main plan behind the show and tell though, as long as you don't pretend they are your idea, where is the damage?!! I'll be on the lookout for good additions.
Gailainne
27-04-2007, 23:24
Spot on mate, although I dont think I'd like to walk very far with Waylands, it weighs a ton :lmao: , As the saying goes "Imitation is the highest form of flattery". Can you post the website link please, I'll see if there are any suppliers around here.
Cheers
Stephen
Here's the link for Joe Public, as they call us! (http://www.od-ities.com/public.html)
This will allow you to find stockists in your area. I feel no explanation is required on my part!! (http://www.od-ities.com/stockists.html) :D
OK, I’ve just spent 30 minutes typing up this post for my computer to go mad and I’ve lost the lot! So, I am typing this in word and will cut and paste afterwards. Very annoying, it’s time to unpack the desktop!!
Alright then, this post is now massive, so if a Mod could kindly change the thread title to include “Pic Heavy” that would be much appreciated!
First pic shows my response pak and my daughters’ bushcraft bag.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/Spamel/HPIM2730.jpg
Next, a view of the bag from one end showing the shoulder strap mod. I used the clips on the rear of body armour that is supposed to hold your belt kit in place. Nobody uses them and they are usually put on Bergan lids for spare attachments in case the main clip for the lid breaks. If you can find them, they are handy bits of kit.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/Spamel/HPIM2731.jpg
Other side shows the yellow clip which allows quick identification of the FAK pouch. Even my daughter is aware that this is where it is in case the worst happens.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/Spamel/HPIM2732.jpg
Front view of the bag showing external load out and a bit of the shoulder strap made from an old radio ancils bag sling!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/Spamel/HPIM2733.jpg
Internal view of the front pouch, lots of gubbins and gizmos. Break down in the next picture.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/Spamel/HPIM2734.jpg
Loads of kit, garden centre lollypop sticks used for marking plants normally, now in use for marking tracks when I eventually find some in UK! I’ve got a pipe tool and lighter for that crafty Gandalf moment, a four inch “universal” spanner is always good for tightening nuts and bolts on stoves and the like. Leathermans Micra for the same sort of thing. A couple of chinagraph pens for writing on the lolly sticks and a scalpel in its foil wrapper.
Next, two cheap as chips diamond stones in fine grits. They cost me a couple of quid and do the job, can’t quite afford a DC4 unfortunately. Notice the little lanyards, I tie them all with the same knot as I like it, but cannot remember the name of it. The monocular has one as well, fitted to a home made lanyard swivel. The Opi actually makes the whole kit illegal without a good reason as it locks, but the load out proves outdoorsyness; I reckon my excuse will work!
Below that I have my Survival Tin, pictures on request, although it is still a bit militarised. 550 and purlon cordage, I have quite a bit kicking about, and zinc oxide tape. I don’t care what folk say about it being harmful, it works for me and can be used for field repairs and also an aiming patch on a target when zeroing a rifle!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/Spamel/HPIM2735.jpg
FAK pouch with yellow indicator clip, and my first and best wooden spoon. Note the woodworkers pencil in the pencil loop. It holds perfectly and has been proven in the field not to come loose!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/Spamel/HPIM2736.jpg
My FAK is quite rudimentary, not too complicated as it is for first aid and not surgery! I have some plasters and Iodine (Ouch!), a triangular bandage and some lip balm, and some pain killers. If you include drugs of any kind, you should read the instructions and include them in your kit, and also don’t carry any illicit drugs such as crack cocaine!!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/Spamel/HPIM2737.jpg
Next pouch is the fire making kits!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/Spamel/HPIM2738.jpg
Char cloth in a tin, emergency tinder in case I cannot find any, flash stick and two film pots with non safety matches and cotton wool/Vaseline fire starters. Leather pouch containing a piece of flint and a beautiful example of a Jason01 steel.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/Spamel/HPIM2739.jpg
The main compartment, this thing is massive!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/Spamel/HPIM2740.jpg
I have a notebook and a pencil with spare leads, a chinagraph in blue, a small steel rule and a tape measure for tracking and a roamer for maps. I have my spoon knife which needs a cover making for it, I will do it one day, my big serving spoon showing scorch marks as mentioned in another thread a few days back and my Spear and Jackson saw that MBM bought and sent to me when I was in Germany, the best 3 quid I ever spent!
TP waterproofed, book also waterproofed, I have just about the whole of this range of books and they are really good. A Pointing trowel for digging and moving embers and the like and some more string. You can never have enough!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/Spamel/HPIM2741.jpg
External kit speaks for itself. Long tube for blowing embers donated by Goose, thanks Goose! I added some tape as it gets a bit warm in use, and I will also feel the benefits in winter! Also, BCUK Photon, order the magazine today! (I’m sure I’ll get away with that product placement!) Good to have a whistle easily accessible and those tin openers are better than the ones sold for domestic use IMO! Those are the big chunky pencils for woodworking.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/Spamel/HPIM2742.jpg
Mod number 2 was to add these clips for securing kit. I would have liked them on the top instead of underneath but they didn’t fit over the poppers. Never mind, I’m not undoing any stitching!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/Spamel/HPIM2743.jpg
Quite a bit of kit I think you'll agree, this is packed for bushcrafting so that I also don't forget anything on a trip, and also I can go out for an evening stomp with some basic kit. Some of it is probably overkill, but hey, it works for me so far and these sort of things are constantly evolving. I will post my girls' kit in a moment, but I hope it has given a few ideas. Some of the pics are a bit blurry, sorry about that but I never have got on with the macro feature on my camera! Hey, it's not as if I am offering to photo your daughters' wedding or anything!! :D
I bet that's almost as heavy as mine now... :D
I like the shoulder strap mod. I might pinch that. ;)
It was very easy to make, if I find any more of those buckles, I'll give you a shout. It now looks lie a big heavy camera case in bushcraft green!
As promised, the girls’ load out is a lot simpler and it allows them to carry some nik naks with them. I find that Rachel, my four year old, feels a bit more involved if she has her own kit. Both girls can use the kit, I just swap their note books over so they can’t complain!
The bag is simply a water bottle carrier from a set of webbing. The shoulder strap was hand woven by me with some coloured string from an old military model kit used when giving Orders for battle to troops. I won’t be doing that again in a hurry!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/Spamel/HPIM2744.jpg
The contents are quite basic, a nalgene bottle with a sipper lid, but they take that off to pour a drink into their flexi cups. The string on the flexi cup is for practising knots, Rachel knows the thumb knot and figure eight and can tie them unaided. A metal spoon for dinner time, gotta do a wooden version this year, notebook and pencil and waterproofed TP. There isn’t loads, but girls need to carry it, their bladders are the size of a walnut so they stop every two minutes!
The photon is tied on and gets stowed in the puritab pouch in the lid. FAK is very basic, a triangular bandage and some Bob the Builder plasters, that’s it.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/Spamel/HPIM2745.jpg
Detail of the four strand flat braid.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/Spamel/HPIM2746.jpg
The same braid has replaced my old hat band on my cowboy hat, and I have new feathers from another stripped pheasant carcass we found whilst out exploring!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/Spamel/HPIM2747.jpg
Hope you like the pictures, I enjoyed taking them and the weather is fine at the moment, so I may have a snack and go for a wander with the kids and the walkie talkies!!
Went for a quick wander, as you can see I left the spoons and fire tube behind as I wasn't prepping food or making fire. The scene shows the response pak hanging off of the fence in front of some of the land which I have shooting permission on.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/Spamel/HPIM2793.jpg
In the next shot, find the rabbit!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/Spamel/HPIM2788.jpg
Nice lay-out and good explanation Spam, thanks!
Bunny:
:D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v644/ahjno/HPIM2788.jpg
Also almost deadcentre in the pic ... so 1 and 1 is 3 in my book ;)
EDIT:
Removed [IMG] tags, so others can have a look themselves where the bunny is, without me spoiling all the fun :)
Top marks Johan, you are absolutely correct. They blend in really well up there, until they run and then you see the white flash of their backsides!
these are a great idea, i might make my own one up out of an old daysack, i will add some pockets to it and stuff, i dont really like shoulder bags i prefer backpacks
leon
The beauty with this size bag is I can put it at the top of my bergan and take it out leaving the bergan behind in the camp. A camera bag would be a cheap alternative, but at 15 quid why bother. Some camera bags are more expensive!
yes, do you know of any bags like it (same price, amount of pockets, size etc) but in the rucksack style ?
leon
You may be able to get a camera bag in a back pack style. Also, there is a medics pouch the same size as a PLCE side pouch which opens up and would be good for a similar thing. Not too sure on price.
Once I get the kids to bed, I'll have a quick scout about on the internet.
ok thanks, i want something a bit bigger than a pouch really, i want something that would be packed for day trips but has enough room to add just a tarp or something for an one nighter, i often camp out on a friday but if i go for longer take a bigger pack
leon
In that case, try and get hold of an old olive green Chest rig, they used to be very popular, and yu can use that to stow kit in. You get your bag with kit in as normal and strap the chest rig to the outside of the bag, it sits over the top of the bergan as if it were your body. You can then take it off whenever you want and leave the bag behind. If you wear the chest rig, you can always get to the bits, even if you have your bergan on. It may suit what you are after.
Whats the size of the response pak? Can't seem to find any reviews or info on it.
Is it bigger than a this http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MOLLE330-47672-1976.html , (11.5" long, 5.5" wide, 6" tall) ?
It looks like te same bag! Just measuredmine, puffed out full of kit, and get it at approximately 14x7x6 inches (LxWxH).
ive decided to just buy the response pack, what mods have you done to yours ?
leon
When you get it, give it a shake. Listen to the jangling of the zipper pulls and you'll want to get rid of them straight away! Look at my pictues and you'll see that the zip pulls are 550 paracord. Totally silent!
Also, I put the shoulder strap on, I find using it as a bum bag is just a little awkward and uncomfortable due to the weight of the kit, which is around 2 kgs.
nice, and following your post i will kit it out, i will defo change the zippers with some paracord and attach a shoulder strap though
leon
It looks like te same bag! Just measuredmine, puffed out full of kit, and get it at approximately 14x7x6 inches (LxWxH).
I guess they're all ripping off/cloning Maxpedition's Proteus, hence why they look similar.
http://www.maxpedition.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=4&idproduct=26#details
Aye.. But look at the price difference..... It's a no brainer really.
I expected to see other load outs by now. Wayland, got any plans for showing everyone all of the kit you carry in/on yours? I had a quick look at Delamere, but would be interestedd to see it all in nice unblurred photo, unlike some of mine!
I'll see if I've got time to sort it this week sometime.
What I lack is the space to photograph things at times. I usually have to go out somewhere to do it.
Nathan Sturgess
29-04-2007, 11:49
Don't have one of those but I have a Berghaus 29Zero (very similar) that I use for lightweight hiking and camping.
oldsoldier
29-04-2007, 22:37
I expected to see other load outs by now. Wayland, got any plans for showing everyone all of the kit you carry in/on yours? I had a quick look at Delamere, but would be interestedd to see it all in nice unblurred photo, unlike some of mine!
We dont have the Response Paks here in the US (to my knowledge), but I use a similar buttpack style carrying pack by Mountainsmith. I will post pics up this week of it, if you'd like. Its an awesome pack, and I can easily stuff enough gear into it for an overnighter. I normally take it with me when out geocaching, as I can carry everything I nbeed, right there.
Beer Monster
30-04-2007, 10:56
Me too, I had a look on their website, but they don't actually sell them and point you instead to retailers in your area. I need to check Blcks and a climbing shop in Meadowhell out, they may come up trumps.
Nicking other peoples ideas is the main plan behind the show and tell though, as long as you don't pretend they are your idea, where is the damage?!! I'll be on the lookout for good additions.
Great thread guys. Much food for thought.
Are you looking for mini screwgate carabinas? If so then SofF (http://www.sofmilitary.co.uk) sell them. Just type "Crab" (no reference to the RAF as far as I can see :D !) into the search function and it should come up. They also sell various sizes of the non screwgate variety, however, you have to search for "Karabiner". Hope that helps. Goes with out saying that neither is to be used for climbing purposes!
I got my pak a year or so back to use as a butch baby changing kit carrier (does the job very nicely as it happens) but since the youngest started being civilised I have taken to using it as a small day bag.
In winter I wear it around my waist as intended (usually with the strap going through the handwarmer pocket of a pertex/pile shirt rather than over it) but around town and in summer I wear it bandoleer fashion across my back, being right handed over the left shoulder/ under the right armpit. To access the pockets I simply pull the strap around until the bag part is across my front.
Wearing it this way in summer means you can still get a breeze blowing up your shirt and anyway being a lardy I find bending over with it around my waist a bit restrictive.
Try it!
ATB
Tom
Ok. Here we go.
http://www.ravenlore.co.uk/assets/images/Response1.jpg
Basic Snugpack Response pack with Blow poker and skewers on top. Mini carabinas on ends. Laplander saw pushed through straps at back with wrist lanyard with luminous tag on end, looped around snap buckles for security.
Couple of beta lights and photon type torches ( 1 red, 1 UV ) on zip toggle.
http://www.ravenlore.co.uk/assets/images/Response2.jpg
Opened up to see packing. All items packed in order of need and likely use.
http://www.ravenlore.co.uk/assets/images/Response3.jpg
Front pocket. From front.
Spork plastic, Lighter flints left, compass in soft case right.
KFS stainless, Mirror on right.
Krill light green, Led torch, head band holder left.
Variable led torch in case, lighter right.
Spoon knife with case behind. handwash left and commercial bug repellent right.
http://www.ravenlore.co.uk/assets/images/Response4.jpg
End pocket 1. Clockwise from top left.
Film pot full of matches wrapped with strong cord.
Tin containing abrasive rubber / carborundum blocks.
Gerber multitool with mixture of spare blades for interchangable saw in red box.
Diamond sharpening stick, DC4 and sharpening steel.
Carvin Jack with case.
http://www.ravenlore.co.uk/assets/images/Response5.jpg
End pocket 2.
Small FAK mostly plasters, new skin and blister kit. ( Superglue for emergencies. )
Sewing kit, scissors, safety and blanket pins.
Lighter.
Missing from picture (still in pocket of coat ) is a Benchmade Griptilian lock knife.
http://www.ravenlore.co.uk/assets/images/Response6.jpg
Main compartment. Clockwise from top left.
Trowel for shovel recce. Gaffa tape, plastic bags, Waylands bug stuff, Paracord and assorted string, thonging, split rings etc. Smaller blister kit in pocketable pouch. WD40 pen and rags, Ball of twine. Sharpening strop for Carvin Jack, stropping paste, peice of rubber inner tube, Star chart and sun position tables, Waterproof matchcase with compass on small dry bag containing mixture of tinders, BBQ fire lighting blocks.
This is a pack I don't generally walk about with, it's more of a camp grap bag for all those things that you want kept handy.
Thanks Wayland, that has given me a few ideas, such as stowing the saw outside instead of taking up room inside!
I also have that sewing kit, I got it over in Germany from Raeer, one of the best surplus stores I ecer went to. Sadly, I can't get over there for a saturday morning visit, but they do mail order, so I may still be a customer with them. They are very competetive!
Aye.. But look at the price difference..... It's a no brainer really.
Yeah. Here's more clones..
http://www.asmc.de/advanced_search_result.php?key words=Hip+Combat+Bag
Though I think I'm more tempted by one of these..
http://www.asmc.de/advanced_search_result.php?key words=Shoulderbag+combat
Though I think I'm more tempted by one of these..
http://www.asmc.de/advanced_search_result.php?key words=Shoulderbag+combat
Hmm. Yes they are quite interesting aren't they.. :rolleyes:
Excuse me for being hignorant, but what is a response pack?
is it like my `Macro` emergency kit for the wilds?
bikething
30-04-2007, 20:35
Excuse me for being hignorant, but what is a response pack?
is it like my `Macro` emergency kit for the wilds?
no, it's the name of the waist bag shown in the pictures - there are a couple of similar ones - snugpak call theirs a 'response pack" - maxpedition's is called a 'proteus'..etc..
HTH
Steve
had one for about 18 months - generally check the stuff I want to hand in it.
I have a bumbag like that but its for everyday use
Gailainne
30-04-2007, 21:14
Nice stuff here guys keep it coming, Graham you put a lot of thought into yours at the meet, care to share ?
Wayland
Where did you get the star and sun charts?
Joff
The sun chart was a freebie from a photographic magazine. I'm afraid I've never seen them anywhere else.
The Planisphere used to be given away with Tasco telescopes in a shop I used to manage. They always sent us too many so I got one or two from there.
They are available from Amazon (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Philips-Planisphere-Northern-Degrees-Astronomy/dp/054008817X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/026-5743909-1747665?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178032592&sr=8-1)
Although that one is a bit bigger than mine.
Graham_S
01-05-2007, 22:16
I'll try to put photos of mine up tomorrow.
I have just emptied my response pak and this is what I found. I have to say that mine is more geared more towards tracking rather than bushcraft.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b75/Lemontracer/ResponsePak.jpg
Opticron Gallery monocular
Hand Gel
Fenix LD2 torch
Petzl e-lite
Bandana (loads of uses!)
Multi tool
Compass
Notebook and pen
Trail Tape
Castration rings
Lighter & matches
Mini light
Opinel knife
Whistle
Mobile phone
Paracord
Tweezers
Red Bull Stove
Foil Tray (folded flat, very useful)
Loaded strop
On the belt itself I have the following:
GPS in a Maxpedition Radio Pouch
Comms in a Maxpedition Radio Pouch
Carabiner
FAK
I usually take some food (Super Noodles and Rice etc) hence the foil container. Its much easier to carry that a mess tin.
My bag seems a little lightweight compared to you guys. I must try harder :eek:
Hope the pictures come out.
Nick
Just remembered, add this to the list:
Inova X5 (green leds)
Firesteel
DC4
Oxo cubes
Magnifying Glass
Lolly sticks
Mirror
It's getting heavier :D :D :eek:
Nick
I have just emptied my response pak and this is what I found. I have to say that mine is more geared more towards tracking rather than bushcraft.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b75/Lemontracer/ResponsePak.jpg
Opticron Gallery monocular
Hand Gel
Fenix LD2 torch
Petzl e-lite
Bandana (loads of uses!)
Multi tool
Compass
Notebook and pen
Trail Tape
Castration rings
Lighter & matches
Mini light
Opinel knife
Whistle
Mobile phone
Paracord
Tweezers
Red Bull Stove
Foil Tray (folded flat, very useful)
Loaded strop
On the belt itself I have the following:
GPS in a Maxpedition Radio Pouch
Comms in a Maxpedition Radio Pouch
Carabiner
FAK
I usually take some food (Super Noodles and Rice etc) hence the foil container. Its much easier to carry that a mess tin.
My bag seems a little lightweight compared to you guys. I must try harder :eek:
Hope the pictures come out.
Nick
I am so going to regret this but...'Castration Rings'? What do you get up to outdoors?
Hi Mikey
Don't panic, Its nothing sinister.
As I said my passion is tracking, but if I go out for a walk I don't always take my trackpack and tracking stick. So, I tend to throw a few items in my response pack hence the mirror, trail tape, magnifying glass etc. The castration rings are so that I can knock up a quick tracking stick if I need one!
Hope this puts the record straight ;)
Nick
what do you mean by a 'tracking stick' Nick?
what do you mean by a 'tracking stick' Nick?
Hi Graham
Good to see another Wiltshire bushcrafter with an interest in tracking ;)
A tracking stick is simply a stick (as straight a possible) with a couple of adjustable markers on it. The markers in this case are a couple of castration rings.
Once you have established the size of the primary impact point the terminal impact point and stride, finding the next track is a doddle. I can track without one but it is a help when the going gets tough.
I also teach scout and explorer groups to track, so I find it an invaluable teaching aid for them, and gives them confidence to find the next track.
I used to take a pile of dowel rods from B & Q but now I usually get them to make a tracking stick so that they can take a break from tracking and practice some knife skills (it gives their eyes a rest after mornings tracking).
Hope this helps but if you need any further info let me know.
Nick
Woodcutter
02-05-2007, 11:53
A truley inspiring thread this one. So inspiring in fact that I have ordered a Response Pak from outdoor code, and am compiling a list of whats going in it.
I like the idea of the pak sitting in the top of my bergan, in it all those things I spend ages rummaging through my bergan for when camp is set up. It will be great to have one small portable PAK that I can access easily when sat around the fire.
Thanks guys, I'll post pics once its arrived and I have had chance to pack it, see what I can get in it etc.
ps where do I get castration rings from? ;)
[QUOTE=ps where do I get castration rings from? ;)[/QUOTE]
Castration ring shop of course ;)
Any farm suppliers will have them. I think you can get a box of 500 for a couple of quid!
Nick
I found the castration rings at Scats.
Cheers
Steve
:lmao: Castration rings! All I could think was "This'll teach you for wandering all over the woods leaving the faintest tracks ever and making my life a misery!" :lmao:
I read about the tracking stick in the bob carrs book, he uses o rings but I suppose anything that is stretchy and will grip the stick but can be rolled along for adjustment will work. Good idea!
Eric_Methven
02-05-2007, 13:52
I read about the tracking stick in the bob carrs book, he uses o rings but I suppose anything that is stretchy and will grip the stick but can be rolled along for adjustment will work. Good idea!
An old pair of marigold rubber gloves work well. Just cut the fingers into pieces so you end up with loads of thick yellow rubber bands. Easy to see in low light conditions. Recycle/reuse.
Eric
Jedadiah
02-05-2007, 14:31
ps where do I get castration rings from? ;)[/QUOTE]
Woodcutter,
you can get 'Castration Rings' from a shop called 'Countrywide'. It's a commercial farming supplies chain with branches all over the country. You can also get crook knives, boiled linseed oil, axes, tarps, in fact most things bushcraft at reasonable prices, though somethings are useless. I found a pair of underpants for a sheep with a prolapsed uterus! :eek: I can think of one thing and one thing only that it could be used for and it's got something to do with a sheep and a specific medical condition! :D
Not a lot of use in a response pack, but, as i said, loads of other useful things at good prices!
By the way Wayland, i'm so impressed with your crook knife carry case. Correct me if i'm wrong but is it a plastic case for drill bits or industrial tap's? I've just popped into my garage and found one and guess what, instant crook knife case!
Top tip mate, well in!
Wayland
Where did you get the star and sun charts?
Joff
Could be worth trying the shops you have to go through before you are allowed to leave a museum :rolleyes: , that is where I got my "planisphere"(star chart) from.
By the way Wayland, i'm so impressed with your crook knife carry case. Correct me if i'm wrong but is it a plastic case for drill bits or industrial tap's? I've just popped into my garage and found one and guess what, instant crook knife case!
Top tip mate, well in!
Yes, well spotted. I half expected someone to ask because the idea came to me purely by chance.
Graham_S
02-05-2007, 19:26
My response pack.
Jingly zip pullers removed, photon light and grimlock added.
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q172/gstrowes/responsepack001.jpg
Open pack, Note the paracord loop stiched into the front pocket. it allows me to attach things to the bag I don't want to lose. not too full, I'm cutting back on the gubbins I carry around with me.
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q172/gstrowes/responsepack002.jpg
The contents.
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q172/gstrowes/responsepack003.jpg
from left to right,
Firesteel, esbit tabs, candle, string, swede 60 knife, leatherman wave, notepad+pencil (blister kit on top, lives in ziplock bag, not shown) first aid kit with petzl e+lite head torch attached.
matchcase, fenix p1, hexi tabs (in film tub) citronella oil, lipsalve, snares, crook knife, BRKT mini canadian skinner,
folding cup, cotton wool/vasaline, paracord, strop+paste, DC4, pack of tissues, folding saw, Ritter PSK.
I like the look of those saws, they are in B&Q for quite cheap and in two very different sizes!
Graham_S
02-05-2007, 20:12
I prefer those saws to the laplander.
it has a very aggressive tooth pattern and cuts very quickly.
It also has a lifetime warranty.
plus if the blade locking mechanisim fails, it fails safe.
I like the idea of the response pack having it sitting in the top of your bergan with everything that you would use ready to hand. Looks like I could be spending some more money. I dont know if these are the type of Karabiners that you are looking for but Lidl will be selling these next Thursday.
http://www.lidl.co.uk/uk/home.nsf/pages/c.o.20070510.p.Karabiner_or_Sh ackle_Set.ar3
Graham_S
03-05-2007, 11:30
I think I'll be taking a wander in Lidls direction then, those shackles/karabiners look ok, and the 8mm boat rope will make a good main basha line
Woodcutter
03-05-2007, 13:01
I like the idea of the response pack having it sitting in the top of your bergan with everything that you would use ready to hand. Looks like I could be spending some more money. I dont know if these are the type of Karabiners that you are looking for but Lidl will be selling these next Thursday.
http://www.lidl.co.uk/uk/home.nsf/pages/c.o.20070510.p.Karabiner_or_Sh ackle_Set.ar3
I had a good look around and http://www.outdoorcode.co.uk/catalog/ were the cheapest, because they only charge a £1 postage.
Agree that the Wilkinson folding saws are very good. They are also noticeably lighter than the Laplander.
When I bought my Response Pak a year or two ago, the guy at the checkout had to check the price with the boss. He couldn't believe that an item of this quality was being sold so cheaply. It is highly recommended kit and very versatile. I'm currently using mine for radio gear. I can carry an entire station, capable of global communication, on my belt.
The castration rings are so that I can knock up a quick tracking stick if I need one!
Nick
Thank God for that! I was going to stop wearing my Ray Mears shorts.
oldsoldier
04-05-2007, 15:09
I use the same saw, made by Gerber. I've found it extremely useful, and cuts quite easily. Still havent posted a pic of my pack yet though :)
twisted firestarter
04-05-2007, 15:18
Imho the Silky Pocket boy folding saw is the best on the market...
http://www.silkyfox.co.uk/folding/pocketboy.html
my response pack has just arrived so will start filling it with stuff later :D
leon
Mine came just now too :D
I'm off out but will work out just what's going it over the weekend.
Great thread as this is just what I need to go with my camera rucksack which doesn't really have enough space to head out a day :rolleyes:
Pics can come up once I've sorted it.
Take a look here www.edcforums.com this will give some ideas and get your hands in your pockets !!!! :)
oldsoldier
05-05-2007, 22:23
Ok, as promised, here are two pics of my normal lumbar pack, I take with , with me when I go out for geocaching, or, in some instances, S &R:
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e328/oldsoldier29/outside017.jpg
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e328/oldsoldier29/outside018.jpg
In it are my raingear (goLite top & bottom)
fleece jacket
folding saw
GPS
two water bottles, with metal cups (my Nalgene is currently at work)
pair of socks
marker
lightstick (takes batteries, lasts for hours)
kleenex
spare batts, plus a spare plastic bag
50' of 550 cord
water purifying tabs
2 granola bars
personal survival kit
emergency bivy sack
first aid kit
bandana
compass
knife w/firesteel
personal journal
flashlight.
Not pictured, I also have a watchcap & pair of lightweight nylon gloves, both in a pocket in the fleece jacket.
Gailainne
06-05-2007, 18:56
I must admit, after buying the response pak, I noticed no water bottle pouch, didnt like that, so I'm either modifying mine to take a 1L sigg at one end, or add a water bottle pouch.
BTW Spam I found a supplier of those small caribiners "od-lites", buggers were charging 1.50 a pop, so I only bought 4, to useful not to get a couple I thought.
Regards
Stephen
£1.50 a go! That's a bloody rip off! :eek: I've seen some cheaper looking ones on ebay, sprayed nasty colours, but they just don't look as nice! I still need to keep looking!
bikething
06-05-2007, 22:28
£1.50 a go! That's a bloody rip off! :eek: I've seen some cheaper looking ones on ebay, sprayed nasty colours, but they just don't look as nice! I still need to keep looking!
Lidls perhaps??
Karabiner or shackle set (http://www.lidl.co.uk/uk/home.nsf/pages/c.o.20070510.p.Karabiner_or_Sh ackle_Set.ar6)
karabiner set (http://www.lidl.co.uk/uk/home.nsf/pages/c.o.20070510.p.Karabiner_-_Set_of_10.ar6)
I must admit, after buying the response pak, I noticed no water bottle pouch, didnt like that, so I'm either modifying mine to take a 1L sigg at one end, or add a water bottle pouch.
i'd like to see some pics if you work this out, it may sway the balance into me getting one myself, as a alternative for the day sak i've got
i'd like to see some pics if you work this out, it may sway the balance into me getting one myself, as a alternative for the day sak i've got
A couple of karabinas and a Swiss armmy volcanoe stove http://www.wephaus.com/proddetail.asp?prod=124554
The vent holes of the stove line up exactly with the 2 strap guides on the underneath of the Response pack. Gives me water carrying and a brew kit ;)
Gailainne
07-05-2007, 19:12
Spam, result mate, :D
mini caribiners (http://www.alpkit.com/shop/cart.php?target=product&product_id=16304&category_id=253) 50p is ohhhh 3 times better than £1.50 for one :o havent checked out postage so may still be high, shrug better starting point at least.
regards
Stephen
mini caribiners (http://www.alpkit.com/shop/cart.php?target=product&product_id=16304&category_id=253) 50p is ohhhh 3 times better than £1.50 for one :o havent checked out postage so may still be high, shrug better starting point at least.
The good news is Alpkit's prices include P&P :)
Gailainne
07-05-2007, 19:50
Aragorn
This my old bimble sack versus the response bag,
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/Gailainne/CIMG0002-3.jpg
as you can see the old allowed 2 1L siggs to be added, where the response has no facility for mounting any kind of "refreshment" even a tensy 330ml millers :( .
I think the easiest solution is to sew in an elastic expander into the loop already provided, if a bottom loop is added to hold the sigg in place it should work out pretty well.
Only proviso is that you would have to make sure whatever was in the end zipped bags was squashable with no problems, ie FAKs, anything soft.
Regards
Stephen
PS sorry for the minor highjack Spam
Personally, I'm appalled at your choice in beer! Good job on the miniclips, I have some ordered already! In Bushcrafters' Fly Agaric Red!! :lmao:
Gailainne
07-05-2007, 20:12
Personally, I'm appalled at your choice in beer!
Shrug I dont have a fixed preference, I don't normally drink Millers, (theres a chemical aftertaste I don't particularly like) but at the price it was going at, it was hard,,neh impossible to resist, I'll try to live up to your expectations in the future :rolleyes: San Miquel or Grolsch are what I buy more often than not.
I must admit I like that store, its a bit of a pain that they are out of the things I want tho :( , apart from the clippers.
Regards
Stephen
Shrug I dont have a fixed preference, I don't normally drink Millers, (theres a chemical aftertaste I don't particularly like) but at the price it was going at, it was hard,,neh impossible to resist, I'll try to live up to your expectations in the future :rolleyes: San Miquel or Grolsch are what I buy more often than not.
I must admit I like that store, its a bit of a pain that they are out of the things I want tho :( , apart from the clippers.
Regards
Stephen
From what I can gather, they have vastly extended their range over the last few months. I also notice the prices are creeping up aswell!! Good luck to them though, I still think some of the items are really well priced.
Congrats on your next post that will be number 200!
hip flask of sloe gin or sloe whiskey fit the responce pak nicely though
dommyracer
08-05-2007, 19:29
I bought a response bag a little while ago but the lack of shoulder strap irritated me, so I went back to using an old Swedish gas mask bag.
After seeing the mods on here though I might have a bash as changing this up a bit....
has anyone tried simply attatching a sig bottle with a mini caribiner, it may dangle a bit but would be easier than sewing extra pouches on :confused:
Graham_S
09-05-2007, 11:42
there is a USAF pilots water flask that might fit inside the response pack.
I'll have a root around and see if I can find one.found it (http://www.ukkitmonster.com/product_info.php?products_id=8 0&osCsid=eae9bd0b0a16e3c0ae5d1d6 8f5dd5679)
dommyracer
09-05-2007, 12:40
I had a good look at the Response Pak last night, and was toying with the idea of added PLCE fittings to it, so that it could be attached to a PLCE belt as you would with a normal PLCE type pouch. Anyone know if its possible to buy the PLCE tab / velcro / popper fittings separately?
Bootstrap Bob
09-05-2007, 13:46
I'm not sure which fittings you need without having a look tonight but I find Pennine Outdoors are pretty good for things like that.
http://www.pennineoutdoor.co.uk/accessories.asp?sid=16
You need to scroll down to the fittings.
The steel oval 0.6 Ltr/pint Sigg bottles fits into the main compartment nicely.
Mind you those bottles are suprisingly easy to dent as I discovered while doing some impromptu pak contents juggling on Monday so I think I'll stick with my beloved Platypus (which squidges to fit and doesn't look like a car wreck after being dropped 2 feet onto concrete...)
ATB
Tom
Next, two cheap as chips diamond stones in fine grits. They cost me a couple of quid and do the job, can’t quite afford a DC4 unfortunately. Notice the little lanyards, I tie them all with the same knot as I like it, but cannot remember the name of it. The monocular has one as well, fitted to a home made lanyard swivel. The Opi actually makes the whole kit illegal without a good reason as it locks, but the load out proves outdoorsyness; I reckon my excuse will work!
Also the Scalpel blade the Crook Knife and the Trowel are technically Sharp n pointy and non Folding as well as the Opi. stupid i know but thats the Law suppose they could include the Pencil if its sharpened . you could leave teh pencil Blunt and teh reason for the Opi is to sharpen the pencil when needed :D
ATB
Duncan
Gailainne
10-05-2007, 20:57
Hmm trowel, was'nt Toddy talking about an archaeologists (damn nearly 21:00 after a "few" San Miguels and I got that right first try :D ) trowel that was supposed to be the dogs danglies ?, search in order, thats something missing from my kit, and bio disposable paper, but thats another thread.
BTW whats with the legal, unlegal stuff on the sharps? its not in your pocket, its in a zipped up bag, there should be no questions asked. I know you look a bit :AR15firin but your not that bad Spam :lmao:
Edit I just got the crusader cup and cooker unit to fit my existing bottle and cup, very nice bit of kit, my redbull alcohol stove is too tall tho :( and the SS trianga burner is waaaay too big, a smaller burner I shall try at the weekend.
Anyway the point I was going to make was I may just (when I get the bag for it) loop the whole lot onto the response pacs belt, but those two useless loops at each end still need something done to them, and modifying them to take some kind of water bottle, keeping it outside the zipped areas seems to be sensible, dont know what you all think.
Slightly inebriated.
Stephen
dommyracer
10-05-2007, 21:01
Also the Scalpel blade the Crook Knife and the Trowel are technically Sharp n pointy and non Folding as well as the Opi. stupid i know but thats the Law
Not really - technically the Opinel would be immediately illegal in the eyes of the law unless a good reason could be provided. The other items could only be illegal if there was sufficient evidence to prove you had cause to use them as an offensive weapon.
Not your eyes that are used and yes its unlikly But
from the Law thread on the forum
It is the Criminal Justice Act 1988 that most significantly affects the carrying of knives in the UK.
Simply put it is an offence under section 139 of the Act to carry an article with a blade or sharp point in a public place. A folding pocket knife is not included, so long as the cutting edge is under three inches. In practical terms it is best to take 'cutting edge' as meaning the whole blade, sharp or not. Until the court cases of Harris (1993) and Deegan (1998), a three inch blade locking folding knife was considered legal to carry.
so all do come under section 139 the only exeption is a non locking blade under 3"
oh and a Folding Saw is also needs a specific reason as ita a multi pointed blade
and in your bag is still your possesion in a public place so is in you car on a public road
to get finiky and stupid a sewing kit is also illegal as needles are pointy and are not a sub 3" folding blade............ remember incase i need it isnt a reason you would have to be proceeding to a ripped shirt :D (cos i need this 12" knife incase i need to cut string isnt either )
Duncan
I have 19 little clips from alpkit, nice one Stephen, good shout on that one. (I got 20, guess who's nicked one already!! She got me a ticket to see Mears though, so I'll forgive her!!)
Gailainne
10-05-2007, 21:33
Yep I got mine the other day also, I just got 10 tho, serves you right btw your never gonna use 20(19) are you ? they are the exact the same as the od-itiles apart from a rather splendid red :D . When, where are you going to see R Mears ?
Stephen
Ray night is 29 October, I better take my books with me in case he is signing stuff, I reckon my brother won't mind me getting my Survival Handbook signed by him, it was very expensive as far as I know! The missus says I am near the front! COOOOOOOL!!! :D
I won't beputting all 19 on my response pak, some will be use on other kit and for keys and the like, but they are very nice aren't they!
Gailainne
10-05-2007, 21:49
Nice one mate, enjoy.
I was actually thinking of all of your kit when I said you could'nt use all 19, I got 10 and still have 6 to find a use for :rolleyes: I also got their 5 quid led headtorch and 5 quid for 6 aluminium pegs, both very nicely engineered, I'm hoping they get some of their 40mm self inflating pads in before I head off to sweden, cause I aint taking the hammock, to much bulk, just my bivi set, which has a 25mm thermarest, and aint comfortable.
Stephen
Make a quick log bed with a minimum browse covering, thermarest on top and you will be ultra comfy. It makes that much difference!
Oh, and pictures of the pegs please, the ones on the site are a bit arty farty and only show the top of them! Unless you got the ti ones?
Gailainne
10-05-2007, 22:28
Ask, and yea shall recieve
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/Gailainne/CIMG0003-2.jpg
More than slightly inebriated
Stephen
Eric_Methven
10-05-2007, 22:32
Ask, and yea shall recieve
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/Gailainne/CIMG0003-2.jpg
More than slightly inebriated
Stephen
You taking up knitting then Stephen?
Eric
exactly what i though eric lol
leon
Gailainne
10-05-2007, 22:42
Ho Ho Ho ( and no I aint father chrismas) I must admit I was a bit surprised at their length, but they dont weigh nowt, and to be frank in a leaf litter forest, they could be quite useful getting a secure hold, so :nana: to you lot.
Stephen
[QUOTE=Wayland]
Main compartment. Clockwise from top left.
Trowel for shovel recce. Gaffa tape, plastic bags, Waylands bug stuff, Paracord and assorted string, thonging, split rings etc. Smaller blister kit in pocketable pouch. WD40 pen and rags, Ball of twine. Sharpening strop for Carvin Jack, stropping paste, peice of rubber inner tube, Star chart and sun position tables, Waterproof matchcase with compass on small dry bag containing mixture of tinders, BBQ fire lighting blocks.
QUOTE]
Silly question time.
What are the split rings used for?
What is the WD40 pen and rags used for? All I could think (apart from lubing your knife) was as a fire starter (is WD40 flammable?)
Great thread I have now got my response pack and starting to stock it.
Split rings are great repair items, for example replacing broken buckles, joining chains and the like. They're also useful for all the normal things that split rings are made for, ie. keyrings etc.
The WD40 is good for rust prevention on some of my steel blades such as the Carvin Jack and not messy to carry around. It's also helped out a few times with things like seized metal fittings and joints etc.
The rags are useful in connection with WD40 and wrapped around the container prevent any leaks ( which I've not had so far ) spreading top other items.
Thanks Wayland, that explains alot.
I like those pegs Stephen, they look like they will do the job in a pine needle covered floor. I must admit, my first thoughts were "Where are you going bushcrafting, Transylvania?!!" but they do look good once you get past the stake in the heart thing!! :p
I bought a set of those pegs from Alpkit in the hope that they were copies of these (http://www.shop-com.co.uk/op/~Outdoor_Designs_Easton_Alloy_ Super_Peg-prod-10737364-16564772?sourceid=309)
But the Alpkit ones are solid and quite heavy. The Outdoor Designs are hollow like arrows (also made by Easton) and incredibly light.
I'm going from memory here, but I'm sure the clips you have, Wayland, are the same as the Alpkit ones. They look it to m anyway. Do you think that they are manufactured by one company and then other companies just add their name to it?
The clips look the same, I don't know about the alloy used in the Alpkit ones, I can't see it being any different though.
The Alpkit tent pegs were nice enough quality but I was disapointed by the weight having previously handled the others.
Gailainne
11-05-2007, 17:15
The only way to test that is to bang on the weight till they go pop, and they are never going to be on anything sensitive enough to warrant that.
Heres a couple of photos side by side,
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/Gailainne/CIMG0007-1.jpg
And a crap closeup, bonus next month :D I feel a decent DSLR is in my future.
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/Gailainne/CIMG0009-1.jpg
They look and feel identical, too light to weigh on my kitchen scales, only difference I can see is the hook the spring clip fits into is more rounded on the alpkit, so may may indeed be a copy.
The pegs I have nothing to gauge them against, they feel light to me, doubt very much if they would float...but they're bright red and have a lanyard ;), weighed one its 40 grams approx
BTW Spam are these new age Vampires that are only killed by aluminium :cool:
Stephen
Robotic vampires obviously, haven't you read Judge Dredd? They keep the last President of the USA alive by taking blood from people in the cursed earth! Good story that one!
Back on topic though, the clips look identical, they must be made by the same company.
It looks like "Ningbo Hongtang Huichuang Hardware Factory" are the manufacturers of the oddities range..
http://nbhcwj.en.alibaba.com/
Seem todo all the funny shapes 'biners & bottle openers with custom logos.
They must have a massive markup....
That's amazing... How did you manage to track that down?
It must have been like a needle in a haystack...
That's amazing... How did you manage to track that down?
It must have been like a needle in a haystack...
Guessed they were made in Japan / China.
Googled on "japan carabiner manufacturer" and hit #2 found the fish shaped 'biners :D
Robotic vampires obviously, haven't you read Judge Dredd? They keep the last President of the USA alive by taking blood from people in the cursed earth! Good story that one!
Back on topic though, the clips look identical, they must be made by the same company.
Ah but they've popped their clogs ... Judge Renga took out the trio recently...
Back on topic, there are some stainless steel clips in Lidls as well as some pretty solid 8mm line...
The only way to test that is to bang on the weight till they go pop, and they are never going to be on anything sensitive enough to warrant that.
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The pegs I have nothing to gauge them against, they feel light to me, doubt very much if they would float...but they're bright red and have a lanyard ;), weighed one its 40 grams approx
BTW Spam are these new age Vampires that are only killed by aluminium :cool:
Stephen
I'm not worried about the clips I think they are a good find at that price but the Easton pegs weigh in at 13g so the Alpkit ones are three times the weight which bugged me a bit.
I'm not worried about the clips I think they are a good find at that price but the Easton pegs weigh in at 13g so the Alpkit ones are three times the weight which bugged me a bit.
On the other hand being solid should be somewhat stronger.
I think even if I was aiming at going somewhat ultralight I'd probably like to have 1 of the Alpkit stakes with the Easton ones, to use as a primary drive stake, incase they hit a large rock or similar. Mind you a large nail of slightly smaller diameter would probably do that job just as well.
Gailainne
11-05-2007, 18:27
Easton pegs weigh in at 13g agreed but I got 6 for a fiver, 3 quid per seems a bit much for a tent peg, shrug at the end of the day, as you well know, you pays your money and you make your choice. :lmao: last time I was out and about I made some up from the local debris, in about 2 mins.
I did find a company that supplied those glow in the dark fibreglass ones, I thought they were very worth while.
Like many of your, and others "little touches" at their campsites at Delamere, I will be copying them, not because they've done it I have to, but because it works well, and more importantly tried and tested by people I am beginning to trust, know what they are doing.
Its the same with kit, theres a thread about that here somewhere, why find out the hard way when ppl here have already put the effort in and know what kit works and what does'nt. I would imagine that was the whole point of Spamel starting this thread, learn from your peers, on this forum at least you get good advice.
I'm afraid I've been at the San Miguel again :o shrug its friday and its been a ****ty week.
Stephen
Well, at least your taste in beer is improving! :D
Miller, I don't know! :rolleyes:
Top thread! Give me a week or so for all my kit to get back and I'll do something on the Maxpedition Jumbo Versipack - has some very good features you may wish to incorporate into your own packs. Got to pour the dust and sand out of it first, though.
I've just added a marlin spike and a Swedish fid to my pack, just realised they should have been included.
Top thread! Give me a week or so for all my kit to get back and I'll do something on the Maxpedition Jumbo Versipack - has some very good features you may wish to incorporate into your own packs. Got to pour the dust and sand out of it first, though.
I'm nearly there! Will finish the photos this week. I've done it just as a review of the Jumbo - I haven't included what I normally put in there as I wanted to post that on this thread later.
I know some have written off Maxpedition as too expensive but I hope this review will persuade some of you otherwise.
If Tony doesn't accept the full article for the review section, I'll post it as a thread.
Heres my EDC kit
http://uk.geocities.com/tombear@btopenworld.com/pic01.jpg
left pocket
Issue FFD, foil bivy bag, 1st pattern (non locking knife blade) Leatherman on billy cord
right pocket
stretch bandage (in bottom) lock-n'-lock dry box with pills, 2 wet-fire tablets, first aid kit, pair of spare lithium AA bateries, packet of green Rizlas. Packet bio degradable loo paper. Small cuts kit.
central compartment
cheque book, Sierra Designs ultra light rain jacket (packs up tiny) if ventile not being worn
I put trip specific items in this compartment, often just snacks and a Platy water bag.
Front pocket
minimaglite 2 x AA with LED conversion (not button)and Lithium batteries, reversed
Kodak film tin full of Vaseline and cotton wool junk and since I got very bored once lots of magnesium chips
Slim titanium spork (chips for the eating of)
Press button Fisher Space Pen
magnifying glass
slimline novelty gas lighter
8hr Cylume light stick
Gorgeous 1954 WD 24" boxwood ruler (usually in a old maglite pouch) got for a quid at Anchor Supplies
tinder card
MoD annodised aluminium Silva Huntsman compass
MoD heliograph mirror (for contact lenses and when I get that strange urge to inspect the parts other bears cannot reach...)
K&M long matchsafe with safety and storm matches on idiot cord
Slot right front
brass cased Eze-lap diamond shapener
ATB
Tom
After my monster review on the Maxpedition bag I got a while back was published on the site (I’m not sure what it says about someone who can enthuse about a shoulder bag for 4 pages…), I thought I’d better mention what I carry in it! Especially as I said I would earlier in this thread.
First of all, a few assumptions: I only really use it at the moment for days out (although I have done a summer overnighter with it) so that will dictate largely what goes in it. Also, you’re not allowed to light fires in the woods where I live in Germany (pah!) so a small stove is necessary for brews/cooking. Finally, depending on how I’m feeling, I can either cover a lot of ground or stay in one place and just concentrate on practicing specific skills.
So, what have we got for a typical day out?
Bag
Maxpedition Jumbo Versipack with 1 litre Nalgene bottle (not shown) of water in side pouch.
http://i12.tinypic.com/4r8mafc.jpg
I also carry my Midland Alan 42 CB radio (in a Maxpedition pouch) for two reasons: I can call back to the missus in case of emergency, clean pants requirement, whatever; and, I can sit back and listen to the local chatter and improve my German. Earlier in May, I could also talk to operators in the UK as the skip was fantastic in early evening.
OK, from the picture below from top left to right:
http://i18.tinypic.com/5ywifli.jpg
Depending on what I’m practicing, I might carry a fixed blade (Gerber Huntsman – great blade, awful sheath) or just a nice little spear-point Opinel penknife. For the UK, I would probably change the Opinel for a SAK Soldier – I’ve just swapped some stuff for one recently and they’re very nice and legal. Occasionally, I’ll also add a handsaw.
Next a small bag with some wet wipes, toilet paper and alcohol hand wash – just in case I get caught short and also to clean up with before I eat. By the way, did you know that alcohol handwash will burn?
Then insect repellent (deet) and sun cream…although I might not bother with that anymore considering it’s rained solid for weeks.
A choice of lights (I wouldn’t normally take both): a Petzl E+Lite if I expect to be out late (white/red, flashing and steady) as this really is a fantastic bit of kit; or the even smaller Inova LED light (red, steady/flashing).
A whistle in case I see a pretty lady…or get hurt and need to attract attention.
The white box contains a small, basic first aid kit (plasters, burn aid, safety pins, tweezers, antiseptic cream, etc). Next to it is a tick remover (it lassoos ticks so you can twist them out by the neck – ye-haa!) and below is an old-style field dressing – essential when carrying a fixed blade. They also burn very well and contain massive safety pins.
Next to that is a monocular for checking stuff out at distance and bird/animal identification.
From the left side again, across the bottom:
‘Food for Free’ for obvious reasons, and then Collins Trees as I’m doing lots of tree ID practice at the moment. I will sometimes use a wild flower/shrub guide instead of the tree guide.
A plastic bin bag. Why? It’s light, waterproof, can be used to carry dry or wet items, it can be worn as a poncho, it makes a small waterproof shelter as a tarp, and you can sit on it when the ground’s wet. It cost’s nothing and you just recycle it when it rips. Do I need to say more?
The wooden spoon was a swapsy from Dougster – thanks mate, I love it!
Next, just because I can’t make an open fire doesn’t mean I can’t practice firecraft. I’ve been messing with the flint and steel lately, but also have a Zippo and a mini-firesteel with part of a junior hacksaw blade to strike it. The hacksaw blade is the metal/plastic cutting variety and is long enough to actually still cut with.
http://i11.tinypic.com/624qtmd.jpg
The firesteel was made from a mini-steel from the recent group buy, which is then soldered into an electrical terminal block with a key ring on it. Crude but effective. All the fire stuff goes in a leather pouch with tinder of birch bark, char cloth, and thin strips of rubber from a bike inner tube (burn well when wet – how appropriate).
Next, some paracord – useful for loads of stuff.
A small digital camera. You know we go on about 'leaving only footprints', etc? Well, if I come across something I can’t identify, like a fungus, rather than pick it and take it home, I take pictures of it instead and make notes on the location, smell, etc. I’ll then look it up when I get home and have a nice photographic record for the future.
Finally, notebook and pen and a small, v simple compass. It’s always good practice to walk on bearings, triangulate objects on the map, etc. There is also a small, flat, credit-card sized magnifying lens tucked away in the notebook for looking at small features on plants and fungi (gills, usually) - and it will also make a flame in strong sunlight.
As I mentioned, no fires in the woods! So, rather than mess about with hexis or meths (p-choh!), I have a mini gas stove that I also use for alpine climbing trips. Inside a titanium pot sits the gas canister, a small strip of cloth for cleaning, drying, picking up hot things, etc. Then a small brew/condiments kit (sugar, coffee, tea, salt, pepper) and a luxury Swiss Miss hot chocolate sachet. Tastes great, loads of sugar, and makes you happy when you are cold. The stove itself is tiny, has peizo ignition, and is kept in a small plastic box. The whole lot, with a lighter and titanium spork, is kept in a mesh bag.
http://i11.tinypic.com/6f81ulv.jpg
Everything above fits in the Versipack with room to spare.
I like to think of my kit as modular and I expand/contract it as required. There is no such thing as a single, do-all kit. It doesn't exist so don't bother looking for one You have to tailor it to your activity and environment.
Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread - it's one of the most enjoyable and useful I've read for ages.
I carry an old camera bag in the boot of the car. Contents as below:-
Crusader mug / cooker / mug holder / 58 patt water bottle
Laken mess tin with tissues / spork / wooden spoon /coffee sachets / Crusader lid
24hr rat pack c/w biscuits brown ( I know its sick but my kids love em!)
Leatherman supertool
Mora clipper
Hexy blocks & Green heat gel sachets
Swedish firesteel & striker
2 x 4m lengths of para cord
Cuticura hand hygeine gel
Insect repellant wipes - "Jungle formula"
I also have a Response Pak which I use as a grab bag for when I am camping - but that is another story!
I've added a few items lately, and taken a few out. i swapped the ointing trowel with a folding shovel that Ratbag got me. That was a while back. I'm not saying the trowel wasn't working, but the shovel was a gift from a friend so I like to carry that and use it. I also found a steel folding rule, 300 mm when folded and 600 mm whe opened up. I haven't actually put it in yet so I will see if it fits. Found by a building site that had closed down for the weekend, not on it but on the path next to it. As far as I am concerned, it was in the public domain!
I've got a paint stick in there now aswell, very handy for marking your way in unknown places so that you can back track. Saves blazing trees which is a permanent disfiguration IMO. I keep my UCO candle lantern in there aswell, as I can never find it otherwise. A few candles go in aswell. My rediscovered crook knife is going in along with my Spoon knife which has been in there since the start, so I have a good carving duo there. No carving jack yet, but I think the missus is getting me one for christmas!! Hee hee, she doesn't know that I know! :D
Found this thread and it got me to dig out my old North face lumbar pack, I feel a few mods may be in order,
At present it looks like this
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v678/Robbo1976/Image013.jpg
(extra marks if you know what the smock is, apologies for crappy photo, the pack is forest green/black)
If my memory serves me correct the pack is 12 litres. is this too large/small for a grab bag/response pack?
Mod wise I'm considering adding removable shoulder strap(s) and a couple more attachment points, possibly a couple more pockets on the waist belt.
Andy
bushscout1
25-02-2008, 23:21
That look's like the Swedish Snow / Arctic Smock, although IIRC from a previous thread I thought you mentioned wooden buttons?
Funny you mention this thread leading to you finding your old belt pack, I did the same with my old Highlander pack. However, I found it a bit on the small side so am currently editing what to have in my grab bag / deciding whether to use something a bit bigger like a PLCE side pocket / 2 on a yoke.
Oooh, blast from the past! i reckon that will do great as a grab bag. It would be able to contain more kit than mine which is more of an organiser, but it has plenty of space for a water bottle at one end and maybe a hobo and billy or a gas cooker on the other end. It could be a good day hiking pack to throw in snack kit and a few small projects to do on the trail.
Like the swedish snow smock too! :D
Top Marks, Spamel and Bushscout1. but it was Inwood who made the wooden buttons for his tie dye camo smock.
I had the same thought about a hobo and billy stove, Spamel but the water bottle pockets are too small for the tesco strainer hobo stove I'm working on so I may have to look for/make something smaller.
Andy
Went for a quick wander, as you can see I left the spoons and fire tube behind as I wasn't prepping food or making fire. The scene shows the response pak hanging off of the fence in front of some of the land which I have shooting permission on.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/Spamel/HPIM2793.jpg
In the next shot, find the rabbit!
Heh, seems SnugPak using that photograph on their official site.
http://www.snugpak.com/
Bottom right, hope they atleast asked first.
Heh, seems SnugPak using that photograph on their official site.
http://www.snugpak.com/
Bottom right, hope they atleast asked first.
Thankyou for bringing that to my attention, I will be contacting Snugpak shortly!
Yes, seriously Spam.
That's right out of order if they didn't have your permission.
Serious breach of your copyright. Compensation in order at the very least. :nono:
Oh, no one asked then.
I'd contact these bunch too then http://www.primecreative.com/ , if you initially contact them via email, send to both Snupak & PrimeCreative (so both can see you sent to the other.)
I'd suspect PrimeCreative are the thieves, passing your photography off as "free". So sending to both hopefully creates some embarassment.
hedgepig
23-05-2008, 11:10
Yes, seriously Spam.
That's right out of order if they didn't have your permission.
Serious breach of your copyright. Compensation in order at the very least. :nono:
Spamel, Gary is right, but to give you a little extra context ...
Your options are:
1. A cease and desist - i.e. get them to take the pic down.
2. Leave it up with credit.
3. Leave it up with fair compensation.
The third of these is the one I want to address - compensation can mean different things in different circumstances. In a breach of copyright case it would normally refer to actually being paid what you should have been paid in the first place. There are no punitive damages in a breach of copyright case (normally). This leads on to the question of how much you should have been paid in the first place ... the answer consists of two things:
1. How much value you place on the image
2. What the market will bear.
In reality for an image like that used on a website for the purposes of advertising you are looking at anything from a tenner up to maybe £50. I'm basing this on what I know of the different types of stock picture agencies where they could have got a similar image from.
I come across cases like this all the time and the best thing to do is keep a level head, don't take it personally, decide what outcome you would like and always keep in mind that you are in control as they do not have a leg to stand on. Try to work out something that benefits both of you ... some free snugpack kit for example. You get for free something that costs them a lot less than it would cost you to pay the RRP.
I’m not expert, however £50 seems a bit cheap, taking in to account the rarity value of the shot (well shot, interesting composition, and quite clearly using their kit) I ‘d go for £60 cash per year, per use of that image on that website. Alternatively, goods/services to twice that value.
hedgepig
23-05-2008, 12:19
I’m not expert, however £50 seems a bit cheap, taking in to account the rarity value of the shot (well shot, interesting composition, and quite clearly using their kit) I ‘d go for £60 cash per year, per use of that image on that website. Alternatively, goods/services to twice that value.
Tadpole, its an extremely difficult one to call ... for example an image printed in a magazine at at quarter page with a distribution of 100,000 would average about £125 through a good agency. However, for the same image bought through a microstock site the photographer might get a couple of quid. For a small size on a specialist website?
I know of someone who thought his copyright had been breached when he found one of his images (complete with credit) on a website and associated promotional material with a distribution of millions (we are talking major worldwide consumer brand here). He thought he was in line for a paycheck of maybe $5000 ... until he found out that they had purchased the image though a micro stock site that he had submitted the image to. He got paid a couple of bucks instead.
The bottom line is - exert your rights, but don't get carried away with it all. Question: if they had done it properly and asked for a licence to use the image what would Spamel have accepted as fair compensation at that point? Suplementary question: would Snugpak have been willing to pay Spamel's price? It's all down to how Spamel wants to play it. It is his image and his copyright. Getting all litigious over it isn't going to help anyone though ... find a solution that works for both parties, if a solution can't be found, then Spamel has the ultimate sanction, get the image of the website now!
Spamel, keep us posted, I'm always interested in hearing how these things turn out.
Oh and for your reference:
http://www.epuk.org/ABCD-of-Copyright/
I feel I need to step in here as this seems to be getting out of hand.
spamel has contacted us at Snugpak and we in talks via email, we will make a post concerning the outcome of this as soon as possible.
Stewart
Snugpak
I feel I need to step in here as this seems to be getting out of hand.
spamel has contacted us at Snugpak and we in talks via email, we will make a post concerning the outcome of this as soon as possible.
Stewart
Snugpak
I’m not sure what you mean “getting out of hand “we, as members of this forum, are expressing our point of view, on a board where such things are allowed. We are not in anyway shape or form dissing snugpac, or defaming its staff.
As far as I am aware we (I) am not breaking any rules, just offering our opinions.
You however should read the rules ( http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45) regarding linking to commercial forums, which says:
“Members should not post links to their own commercial ventures, websites or forums.
Links to such websites in signatures are permissible (at the discretion of BCUK admin) as long as this is not abused and a clearly visible reciprocal link to Bushcraft UK is placed on the website to which the link points “
hedgepig
23-05-2008, 17:23
I feel I need to step in here as this seems to be getting out of hand.
spamel has contacted us at Snugpak and we in talks via email, we will make a post concerning the outcome of this as soon as possible.
Stewart
Snugpak
Hi Stewart,
not sure how you can view one member of this forum encouraging another member of this forum to arrive at a conclusion that works for both parties as being "out of hand", however, glad to hear you are discussing this with Spamel.
Thanks for all the concern, but as Stewart has replied via email it looks like we are going to come to some sort of arrangement. I will not speak for Stewart as I feel he has the right to explain his side of the story, let's just say that I am flattered that my picture was used but permission would have been nice. The exchange of emails so far has been calm and friendly which is the way I see it continuing, to be honest I would like for my picture to stay up as I feel it is a pretty good shot of the ResponsePak in an outdoors environment where it should be.
I am considering my options at present, but rest assured I will keep you all posted to the outcome.
Matt Weir
23-05-2008, 20:34
Thanks for all the concern, but as Stewart has replied via email it looks like we are going to come to some sort of arrangement. I will not speak for Stewart as I feel he has the right to explain his side of the story, let's just say that I am flattered that my picture was used but permission would have been nice. The exchange of emails so far has been calm and friendly which is the way I see it continuing, to be honest I would like for my picture to stay up as I feel it is a pretty good shot of the ResponsePak in an outdoors environment where it should be.
I am considering my options at present, but rest assured I will keep you all posted to the outcome.
Quite right Spam,
I'd be chuffed knowing one of my pics was used on the site - plus a few bits of free Snugpak kit as they show their appreciation would seal the deal ;)
featherstick
23-05-2008, 22:36
What a fascinating thread. Set a few ideas off - old camera bag upstairs that could go in the car, other bits of kit around that need to be amalgamated. Well done for starting the thread and to everyone who posted their ideas and thoughts.
I never meant anything by my comments other than to let everyone know we had been contacted and emails had been exchanged, and things are being sorted. (all in a nice way, as spamel said)
And for the people that know me well on here know that this would never be my intention.
I am not at work at moment, well I guess you can all guess that by the time I am posting :) so once I am back in work I will have a chance to catch up with this.
I think I've already added all my additions in the thread somewhere but I've just put a hot melt glue stick in recently as well
This is great thread, i love seeing the kit people have in there smaller bags, its always so much cooler.
Wayland, Whats the hot glue stick used for ?
It's useful for gluing stuff.
You can melt it with the heat of a fire and just rub it on.
that's a cracking idea gary, will pinch that one myself ;)
good idea and takes up hardly any room
Don't think I can claim credit for that one. I noticed someone else doing it and thought "That's canny."
gave me plenty of ideas for if i ever pick a pack up
redandshane
23-06-2008, 08:15
I have made my own bag up by joining a small shoulder bag and a bumbag with added attachment straps
Its not a hugely attractive thing but it works
The problem I was having was carrying water, so at the moment I have simply clipped on a Dutch issue water bottle using the pouch and clips it came with i havent actually used it for any distance yet so we shall see if its practical when out and about one evening this week
I also use one of those little flat folding hexi burners which i think are French in origin I got it in Oswald Bailley for £1
This frees up a huge amount of space within the bag so I am now trying to refine the basic kit I will carry in it
I suppose what i am saying is dont forget you can attach various pouches etc to enhance the functionality of a small bag/carry system
I like this kind of thread a lot !!!!
all i have is a tiny bum bag that i would have trouble fitting a hexi burner in...
and i have to agree these threads are good
This is my favouritest thread in the whole wide world. :D
i just clicked it thinking more useful info :( :-)
just got mine through the post today, now to read back and borrow some ideas
Minotaur
02-07-2008, 13:34
Could be worth trying the shops you have to go through before you are allowed to leave a museum :rolleyes: , that is where I got my "planisphere"(star chart) from.
What about the Natural/Nature shop or the works?
Could not see me traveling with just one of these but like the grab bag idea a lot.
Any got any recommendations for good UK suppliers?
Really like the look of their Rocket pack as well, so hand needs to go in pocket again.
Any got any recommendations for good UK suppliers?
Not UK, but have a look at this thread (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31067) to see where to find them on eBay. I got mine (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=3044) for less that £10 delivered.
my response pak was £14.25 from polimil
phaserrifle
06-07-2008, 23:13
has anyone tried simply attatching a sig bottle with a mini caribiner, it may dangle a bit but would be easier than sewing extra pouches on :confused:
and you would get that perfect "duke of edinboughroug's award" look (you can allways tell a DofE group. they will have big backpacks. rollmats,sleeping bags and tents will be strapped to the outside. at least one will have a map in a mapcase (ususaly green) around thier neck. several will have compasses hanging round their kneck. there is allways one with a sigg type bottle hanging off a carabiner somewhere. often they will ask you for directions)
EDITED: because I can't spell neck
plenty of loops on it to attach bits via caribiner, still haven't used mine yet though
and you would get that perfect "duke of edinboughroug's award" look (you can allways tell a DofE group. they will have big backpacks. rollmats,sleeping bags and tents will be strapped to the outside. at least one will have a map in a mapcase (ususaly green) around thier neck. several will have compasses hanging round their kneck. there is allways one with a sigg type bottle hanging off a carabiner somewhere. often they will ask you for directions)
What's wrong with that :D
At least they're not out mugging old folks :BlueTeamE
I'll get me hat
Mike
phaserrifle
07-07-2008, 17:51
What's wrong with that :D
At least they're not out mugging old folks :BlueTeamE
I'll get me hat
Mike
only thing realy bad that my description states is that they ask you for directions, they should know where they are and where their going. past that nothing actauly wrong.
But do you want to look like them? (I don't us scouts are comparitively professional (or at least like to think we are :D)
never said there was. but do you want to look like one?
(the only time it's honestly bad to look like a DofEer is when you are a scout. we pride ourselves on being comparively professional (although I fail dismaly :) )
:lmao:
I don't care at all how I look. I'm not a DofEler, nor a scout. And I fail dismally on my very own :D
Minotaur
08-07-2008, 01:19
So staying out of the current part of this thread.
phaserrifle
08-07-2008, 18:01
:lmao:
I don't care at all how I look. I'm not a DofEler, nor a scout. And I fail dismally on my very own :D
fair play (I fail too)
Hi Stewart, package arrived safely today, perfect fit and it's raining outside so I'm gonna go right now and try it out!
Damn it, it's stopped raining!
:cussing:
i seem to have missed something....
wildrover
10-07-2008, 00:36
I've finally got one of these bags filled as a canoe safety/ survival pack.
If I can suss out how to do the photo thing I'll post some pics up.
be nice to see a different one as all mine has in it is: front pouch opinel & lighter. right pouch has a head torch in it, and a whistle outside the front pouch.
hiho, if your after ideas how to fill it, have you read this thread from post 1, it should be bulging by now :D
sandbender
20-07-2008, 20:11
how about posting up some pics of your load out and what you use the response pak for. Also, any modifications that you have made
I quite fancy a response pack, sadly I have had no luck in finding one over here :(
Here are some shots of my current bag, the contents vary, however this is what it contained this morning.
The bag in this picture is an old game bag from Barbour, it has a large main compartment, two bellows pockets on the front and a small penknife pocket on the side. Its old and tatty and doesn't look like it may contain expensive camera or bushcraft equipment. :D
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/sandbender/bushcraft/gear/gear_bag_001.jpg
Hidden inside the Barbour bag is another bag! this one is a LowePro AW100 camera bag, this provides the organization and waterproofing missing from the game bag, I can also spilt the bags and carry both separately if I find anything interesting to bring home :D
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/sandbender/bushcraft/gear/gear_bag_003.jpg
The contents of the main bag...
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/sandbender/bushcraft/gear/gear_bag_004.jpg
hat (Barmah),
tobacco pouches (2),
lighter,
brass match case,
handkerchief,
Nutrogena hand cream,
small blue stuff sack (contains mosi head net and tin of Nordic Summer (in poly bag, it leaks),
large carabiner,
pocket camera (Olympus 770),
schrade pocket knife,
notebook & pencil,
small torch with red LED for rummaging at night, :)
pocket carving tool,
firesteel,
crook knife,
belt pouch,
bushcraft knife and one of two sheaths,
pocket saw,
Silva compass,
diamond stone,
Silva L1 head torch or a Petzl e+lite,
wooden spoon,
kuksa,
string, assorted lengths,
gardening gloves (not pictured)
And probably a shemagh too.
The Belt pouch...
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/sandbender/bushcraft/gear/gear_bag_006.jpg
The contents of the belt pouch...
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/sandbender/bushcraft/gear/gear_bag_007.jpg
a small nylon credit card pouch containing some basic first aid supplies and...
a very small brass compass,
a pair of tweezers,
a pair of nail clippers,
some needles and thread,
Additionally...
a WW2 Heliograph (not so much for signaling but to help extract insects or debris from my eyes),
2 meters of very strong but very thin cord,
a can opener,
a diamond sharpening stone,
a tin of Vaseline,
a whistle and a handle-less firesteel on a piece of cord,
a small tube of superglue (for sticking fingers back on etc.),
And I will sometimes I keep a small folding knife or carving jack in there.
There are things that I'll add or subtract, larger first aid kit, books, water bladder etc.
Additionally the Lowpro bag comes with a padded insert for the main compartment that holds both my lenses, DSLR camera and camera cleaning gear so if the trip is more about photography than bushcraft I can upend the bag emptying out the bushcraft gear and replace it with the padded insert containing all my photographic gear.
Thanks for looking
:D
redandshane
21-07-2008, 07:35
Thats nice sandbender
I like the credit card wallet mini first aid kit and the idea that you can have a seperate bag for forage items if need be Also taking on board the waterproofing idea which I may use by adding XS dry bag as a liner which of course will have other uses
sandbender
21-07-2008, 16:19
Also taking on board the waterproofing idea which I may use by adding XS dry bag as a liner which of course will have other uses
Even an allegedly 'water proof' camera bag isn't in a real downpour. Not listed above, but kept in one of the camera bag pockets is a rolled up rubble bag from B&Q, if it rains heavily I can wrap the inner bag to keep it dry and I can also use it to keep game or fish separate from my gear, easier and cheaper to replace a rubble bag than it is to scrub the game bag clean :D
I sometimes carry an Ortlieb bag large enough for all the gear above for when I'm on the water, and with the camera spare strap for the camera bag that can double as a water carrier if needed.
Here's mine.
It's not very bushcrafty, more a mix between hiking/ climbing/ generally being outdoors bag. I packed it for a trip to the woods on Friday.
First off, the items I carry everyday (trouser or jacket pockets):
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3175/3098075187_00fe4f698d_o.jpg
From top left:
- Zippo
- Leather pouch
- SAK (Hunter) with cord
- Mobile phone plus protection pouch
- wallet
What's in the pouch, you ask? My firestarter kit ;)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3028/3098075019_c840422633_o.jpg
Next, the kit, packed:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3122/3098075353_b5d049c506_o.jpg
Finally, the contents of the kit.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3051/3098075521_ba0658fc5d_o.jpg
From top left:
- Firesteel with carabiner and cord
- bog roll and rubber bands in zip-lock bag
- survival whistle and carabiner on cord
- head torch (Petzl Tikka Plus)
- Gerber Gator knife and sheath plus ankle wrap
- compass (Silva DP 65, maps I'll add according to where I go)
- first aid kit (modified Lifesystems Mountain First Aid kit, I'll open it and take pics another time)
- Antibacterial Hand Gel (Milton's)
- Pencil Sharpener in container
- Duck Tape
- Saw (Wilkinson) with clip
- Mirror
- Cotton towel
- Camelbak rucksack with orange survival bag sticking out
- Knife with leather sheath and cord (Fallkniven A1)
- Platypus 3l bag and straw
- microfibre towel and nylon bag
- Whetstone (Fallkniven DC4)
Sorry for the crappy pics, it's my lack of skill...
Btw, Sandbender, that's some awesome kit, really looking good. Something I can aspire to :)
Mike
sandbender
11-01-2009, 18:25
Btw, Sandbender, that's some awesome kit, really looking good. Something I can aspire to
.
Thanks :)
sandbender
11-03-2009, 23:43
...Alright then, this post is now massive, so if a Mod could kindly change the thread title to include “Pic Heavy” that would be much appreciated!...
spamel all your images have vanished :(
Edited to add:
Ah, I now realize that you were banned and probably erased your linked gallery. :(
forestwalker
12-03-2009, 06:14
The sun chart was a freebie from a photographic magazine. I'm afraid I've never seen them anywhere else.
There are sun-tables in the end of Harold Gattys "Finding Your Way Without Map or Compass". Copy, laminate and Robert is your mothers brother.
You can also go to http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/AltAz.php and construct your own.
There are sun-tables in the end of Harold Gatty's "Finding Your Way Without Map or Compass". Copy, laminate and Robert is your mothers brother.
You can also go to http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/AltAz.php and construct your own.
They also turn up in his book "Nature is your guide", which may well be the same book.
I've never seen the other to compare it to.
Well i finally bit the bullet and invested in a Snugpak Responce Pak. I needed something small enough not to be obtrusive and yet carry enough for a walk in the woods and everyone here is to blame :lmao:
Very impressed with it. It holds a far amount and i do run the risk of cramming it full of useless rubbish.
Thanks folks for this thread and the show and tell.
forestwalker
12-03-2009, 14:29
They also turn up in his book "Nature is your guide", which may well be the same book.
I've never seen the other to compare it to.
I belive these are the same book. Or I've been missing out.
I guessed it was but couldn't say for certain.
This guy does response pak clones on Ebay for a tenner with the shoulder strap mod
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/USMC-US-Army-Molle-Utility-Waist-Pouch-Bag-Coyote-Brown_W0QQitemZ110361716929QQc mdZViewItemQQptZUK_SportingGoo ds_Hunting_ShootingSports_ET?h ash=item110361716929&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683|66%3A2|65% 3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318
This guy does response pak clones on Ebay for a tenner with the shoulder strap mod
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/USMC-US-Army-Molle-Utility-Waist-Pouch-Bag-Coyote-Brown_W0QQitemZ110361716929QQc mdZViewItemQQptZUK_SportingGoo ds_Hunting_ShootingSports_ET?h ash=item110361716929&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683|66%3A2|65% 3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/USMC-US-Army-Molle-Utility-Waist-Pouch-Bag-Coyote-Brown_W0QQitemZ110361716929QQc mdZViewItemQQptZUK_SportingGoo ds_Hunting_ShootingSports_ET?h ash=item110361716929&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683%7C66%3A2%7 C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318 )
I've got one of those, and while they're good for the money you do get what you pay for - some of the stitching has failed with very little use.
Oh, and if you do go for those, make sure you replace the noisy zippers with paracord!
I bought one from ebay but did not like the 'rattle' from the zips so sold it on!
Maxpedition look good but v expensive as an alternative!
most people have cut the zips off and used paracord instead
spamel all your images have vanished :(
hellp all' it's been a long time since i posted or visited bcuk hope everone's well and having fun!!
right i been looking for better pics of one of these paks because i want one for a stalking pak for fly fishing,hehe wayland i love your tardis pak,i did a search for reviews and one of the searches was here but sadly spamels pics have dissapeared.
i've now ordered one and i'll put some pics up when it arives with my kit set up.
spamel i would love to see your set up if at all possible,anyway great thread i've missed this place:)
halo
Has anyone any experience of these or the supplier? Other than the noisy zips what do you think?
Molle-Tactical-Shoulder-Go-Pack-Bag-Black (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Transformers-Molle-Tactical-Shoulder-Go-Pack-Bag-Black_W0QQitemZ110382680725QQi hZ001QQcategoryZ52509QQtcZphot oQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713 .m153.l1262)
oooh go on the, i will go and get the camera! :)
good good, i've taken everything out of mine and shifted its contents about. as i've been using it as my geocaching bag. which doesn't need everything in it...
now that's not a bad idea! Get another for geocaching....! hiho, what's your "caching" name? my camera battery is flat, so i will have to take piccies 2morrow night...
just added it to the thread. my camera is still attached to the belt, as the pouch doesn't fit over the straps. probably a 3/4 full waterbottle stuck to the other side as well :rolleyes:
just added it to the thread. my camera is still attached to the belt, as the pouch doesn't fit over the straps. probably a 3/4 full waterbottle stuck to the other side as well :rolleyes:
and i've just noticed i've cracked the case on my camera:twak:
get the pics sorted logit?
Looking back at the picture I put up on this thread way back when the things I carry in my response pak have changed some.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_dVcnpchhsqI/Susul8EKIYI/AAAAAAAAAqI/ONBclEOOAV4/s720/ResponsePak2009.jpg
the U-dig-it (with added buckle for security) go's on the left side on the belt and the only bits shown that go in the main pocket are the head torch and the nalgene of brown sauce. I try to keep that empty to take water, snacks or a lightweight rain jacket as required.
ATB
Tom
Like many, I have bodged a shoulder strap mod by twisting the belt up through the end loops, but the strap is too short. Does anyone have a smart way of converting the pack properly to a shoulder strap of good length ?
Sorry if I missed that earlier in the thread
NS
i cut the original belt straps off mine, i was never going to wear it as a bum bag, and i may use it for other projects, i sewed on some quick release buckles off an old laptop bag and use the shoulder strap that came with it. will try and get some pics on later
Chinook220
04-08-2010, 22:54
http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae340/chinook220/photo14.jpg
starting at the top of the picture, hopfully you will see a silver waterproof cover this is stored at the rear of the pack in the velcro pouch.
To the right of the pack are three lightsticks one of which is a blacklight. (veiwed by NVG's).
under these are a monocular (in the black pouch) in the DPM bag is a Stowaway shirt made of parachute silk.
under these items are a millbanks bag on top of which is a black water carrier and a sewing kit.
in the blue bag at the top is my medical kit whithout FFD's which i carry about my person.
in the silver tin is my Combat survival tin. The orange card is for signalling, at the bottom centre is a military issue Firefly (strobe signalling unit.)
i think that covers the main items.
regards mark
picture / link not working Mark,
Chinook220
06-08-2010, 00:15
my kit has evolved again since this photo i will attempt to get some new photos soon
regards mark
By the way, cheapest I found was from DD Hammocks - £15 delivered; they only do the green ones though.
I am tempted to get another one (maybe two) as they are so useful - for fishing kit, general traveling, small DIY tools around the home etc etc. Be nice to get a black one amongst them so I know which is which at a glance.
I upgraded mine to a Maxpedition Sabrecat - about twice the size, fantastic piece of kit although bulkier of course. Allows me to include a hatchet and other stuff in the pack. 13 y.o. son is now building his own Response Pack kit in my cast-off...
http://www.cgwgun.com/images/products/0426k_Sabercat1.jpg
NS
I can't even remember what's in mine atm. or where i've put it...
I must admit that I have pretty much stopped using the response pak or any bumbag and gone back to my old Bergaus Munro with a few small pouches attached.
It was fun getting it spot on with regards to kit but for what I am doing there was no advantage to it over a small rucksack and there was no space for putting extra stuff found while out and about.
ATB
Tom
Graham_S
23-08-2010, 10:52
I've got one of those sabercats.
Nice piece of kit.
I've not tried fitting it out as a go-bag yet, but I have used it as hand luggage, flying between Saudi and home.
It holds a surprising amount of stuff.
Laurentius
27-08-2010, 21:35
Yeah yeah, I have a response pack too, packed with goodies, individuated to me, however I have to be cynical and ask an alternative show and tell. That is to say which of the contents of your response pack have actually proved to be life savers?
I purchased a Snugpak Response Pak recently, and everytime I put it on, and tighten the strap. Or 'push' my stomach out, the clasp buckle on the belt pops open and the pak drops to the ground....
Ive had someone else try it on, and it does the same with them.
Anyone else have this problem?
Just want to know If I have a dodgy one, or should lay off the pies?
Also quite like this thread, so worth resurrecting.
Yep, the belt is crap. A solution is to cut the belt off and get a webbing belt, then take it down to a cobblers to get them to sow it on between the belt 'D' hooks.
Here's one I started for winter car kit which also has my response pack and contents.
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63657&p=770042&highlight=#post770042
Yep, the belt is crap. A solution is to cut the belt off and get a webbing belt, then take it down to a cobblers to get them to sow it on between the belt 'D' hooks.
Im wondering whether I could get away with just changing the plastic clasp buckle?
Im not putting an expensive camera in it, if its gonna fall off!
Graham_S
10-12-2010, 13:11
I've seen locking fastex buckles.
They might be the solution to your problem.
here (http://www.hudson4supplies.com/en.us/product-6371)
Im wondering whether I could get away with just changing the plastic clasp buckle?
Im not putting an expensive camera in it, if its gonna fall off!
I think the problem you'll also find is the belt twisting under any weight. Hence the thicker belt.
Thanks for this thrad guys and galls.
I've been thinking of having a SMALL bag with minimal kit. I've just sent off for a Responce Pak from Heinnie Haynes for £13.95. I selected a black one.
trekkingnut
19-04-2011, 21:01
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--JiGRHtc20o/Ta3nyZjLxCI/AAAAAAAAAUY/fo0-xLj_RtE/s1600/205634_591735597738_277701121_ 3152641_6553065_n.jpg
What i take to work every day.....
first aid kit
iodine
pace counter and gear karabiner
gps with waterproof case
emergency strobe
every day firesteel
id tags with blood group
cotton wool tinder
100ft para cord
signalling mirror
spare fire steel
inner tube
fishing kit x 2
spare clip and whistle
water proof matches
knife
waterproof note paper and first aid memoire
knife sharpener
chinagraph pencil
compass
candles
camel bak mouthpeice
spare torch
pencil
button compass
parachord (lil bit extra as a bracelet)
windproof/uv blocking buff
1600ltr filter
waterproof box
mess tin
lighter
dry sack
spare batteries
waterproof storage tin
Lancashire hot pot rat pak
Now its currently a little depleted as im back off to borneo again for six months in three weeks so it needs a top up. i.e more spare batteries etc.... snare wire blah blah blah.... this was just a quick show and tell ;)
Harvestman
19-04-2011, 21:28
I'm just putting my pack together for the summer, to include things like sun cream, insect repellant, and sting/bite relief. I'm new to the pack, but so far I like it very much.
Its been awhile since I have seen a Response Pak post, so as I was putting some kit away i thought I would take some pictures to show my current setup. This is what I take in my main pack to keep some form of organisation of all the small bits i take (some bits are not used) but on the whole most of it gets used ever time i am out.
Front
http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/ss55/tankislarge/RP1.jpg
Right
http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/ss55/tankislarge/RP2.jpg
Back
http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/ss55/tankislarge/RP3.jpg
Left
http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/ss55/tankislarge/RP4.jpg
Outside
http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/ss55/tankislarge/RP5.jpg
Mora Clipper and Light My Fire Ferro rod in a kydex sheath
Laplander Saw
6 mini binners
2x loops of cord for prussic (for tarp usually)
Side Pockets
http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/ss55/tankislarge/RP6.jpg
Bag of bits (Bag bag, emergency blanket and poncho, fresnel lens, mirror) See below
Fix kit contain needles, cotton, safty pins) and duct tape on the outside
mint tin containing cotton and vaseline
FAK
Side Pockets Contents
http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/ss55/tankislarge/RP7.jpg
Front Pocket
http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/ss55/tankislarge/RP8.jpg
Hunters Catty
Gerber Sharpener
Wilma Nordic Summer (lovely smell)
SAK
Short lengh of cord
Peasent Knife - Not usually in the pak, but it has sneaked itself in there.
Main Compartment
http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/ss55/tankislarge/RP9.jpg
Fire kit (green heat, tampons, Lighter, rubber tube)
Head Torch and back up batteries
LED Lenser torch
Cordage
Main Compartment Contents
http://i561.photobucket.com/albums/ss55/tankislarge/RP10.jpg
whats wrong with you all
26-07-2011, 18:49
im currently trying to fit my equipment for an overnighter into a response pak [no tarp/sleeping as i will be making my own shelters]
the only problem i am having is fitting in a 58 pattern water bottle with crusader cup!
im thinking either attach a pouch going along the bottom of the pack by the two loops the handle goes through, or jut putting a pouch on the belt. any ideas as to which would be better?
also, what would be the pest pouch for it? most of the ones i have tried seem too roomy for a tight fit.
my water bottles go on the belt one either side of the main bit.
Your Blow Pipe looks that it has a camo look, can I ask where you got this form and what metal is use, Ali to be light or stainless though would be a little more on the heavy side, only I was thinking that the heat may be too intense for Ali...
Your advise please, just order the same bag as a temp till I get more kit...
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Your Blow Pipe looks that it has a camo look, can I ask where you got this form and what metal is use, Ali to be light or stainless though would be a little more on the heavy side, only I was thinking that the heat may be too intense for Ali...
Your advise please, just order the same bag as a temp till I get more kit...
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Which post are you referring to ?
If it's camo then I'll have a guess and say it's probably an old ally arrow shaft, as long as you don't actually bury it in the embers then ally will do just fine.
Welcome to the forum btw
http://www.ravenlore.co.uk/assets/images/Response1.jpg
As Shewie says it's an old broken arrow shaft made of some alloy or such.
I used to get loads of them when I was shooting with a club but these days a lot of people are going over to carbon arrows.
Hi all
Thanks Shewie, for pointing me in the right direction yep I was was wondering if it was ali.. being light
The arrow idea makes a lot of sense...
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Just a quick one I found this a little bargin....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v409/nokoto/Online_Images/pipe.jpg
RRP is about £60 for one of these, this cost me 99p plus £2 postage (",) it's a little shorter than the Ali one not sure what metal but it's has a nice mouth piece.
Any view's ...
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