The "Red Hunters Axe" by Cegga - first production run [Archive]

British Red

23-02-2007, 19:30

Okay one and all - I've just received word from Cegga. The first 10 are finished

For anyone who hasn't seen these axes, they are a new design - with me doing the easy bit (dreaming what I wanted) and Cegga doing all the hard work of making it.

The haft is a perfect 40cm in length.

Total weight is 650g and the bit is 7.5cm across.

Have a look

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/98/373541014_53cb3b0ab0.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/177/373541022_8210c7e532.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/174/373541017_045301ae25.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/136/373541019_8b19e031db.jpg

The axe is a light and very portable model - much smaller than a GB small forest or Wetterling large hunter making very portable but still, in my view, large enough for some serious work which I found my mini axe to struggle with.

I must credit the exponents of light, polished head (notably Old Jimbo) for informing the design choices - it really does make a difference.

Cegga is going to do an introductory price for these, the first 10

There are conditions of sale though (nothing too onerous)

Condition 1.
If you get a customs charge or import duty, you will need to sort that out yourself (I didn't but you might)

Condition 2.
Cegga has done the first buy to "raise his profile" as a custom axe maker. It is implicit in the deal that the first 10 purchasers publish their thoughts on the axe when received. There is no implication that this review should be anything other than honest but some customer feedback would be really appreciated.

Condition 3
This is a PayPal sale - there is no other way this can work due to currencies involved etc. You will need to include your BCUK screen name, real name and shipping address with the payment

If the design is faulty - blame me
Fit, finish, grind, temper, forging standards - blame Cegga ;) (mine is flawless)

Okay so the price for the first 10 including the axe, mask, shipping and paypal.

£40 to your door.

The first 10 people to post as replies to this thread get them. I'll PM the PayPal details to the lucky 10 winners so please make sure you have PM space available.

Please don't worry if they go quickly, Cegga can make more, however he is one man and for simplicity and sanity, its easier only to put up for sale whats ready to ship, so I can pop them on here as they are available

Best of luck all

Red

Butchd

23-02-2007, 19:33

Put me down for one. It'll be my first real axe so I can't promise too much in the way of reporting

Joff

23-02-2007, 19:33

Put me down for one please Red. I'm set up for Paypal so I can pm you details if needed!

Cheers

Jon

Glen

23-02-2007, 19:34

I'd love one, can't promise a informative view as I'm not toosavvy with axex , feel free to elimiate me from the list if you feel that is important

sprite

23-02-2007, 19:37

Hi Red
Please include me for one axe
Many thanks
Sprite
Can't say I'm an expert axe woman, this'll be my first proper axe too - my other one came from a car boot sale - but hey it'll give you both a girlie review!

schwuk

23-02-2007, 19:39

I'll have one please Red.

British Red

23-02-2007, 19:41

Okay we have:

Butchd
Joff
Glen
Sprite
schwuk

5 gone - 5 left

Red

Dougster

23-02-2007, 19:41

I'll have one of those beauties please. I'll just tell the wife!!!!

British Red

23-02-2007, 19:57

No probs

Butchd
Joff
Glen
Sprite
schwuk
Dougster

6 gone - 4 left

PMs sent wiith PayPal details to these 6 - please let me know when its been sent so I can mark the thread

Red

Joseph

23-02-2007, 20:02

I shouldn't really but a very well made axe would be a good addition to the one i've hung myself and the touched up mini vaughn. Many thanks for organising this, 1 please. Joe.

mayfly

23-02-2007, 20:08

Me please!

British Red

23-02-2007, 20:10

Butchd
Joff
Glen
Sprite
schwuk
Dougster
Joseph
Mayfly

8 gone - 2 left!

Red

Gailainne

23-02-2007, 20:13

yes please I would like one

singteck

23-02-2007, 20:14

Just when I spent all my money on knives!!!! :banghead:

singteck :D

British Red

23-02-2007, 20:14

Butchd
Joff
Glen
Sprite
schwuk
Dougster
Joseph
Mayfly
Gailainne

Just 1 left...who wants it?

Red

JonnyP

23-02-2007, 20:23

Butchd
Joff
Glen
Sprite
schwuk
Dougster
Joseph
Mayfly
Gailainne

Just 1 left...who wants it?

Red
yes please

barry

23-02-2007, 20:24

il take the last one if i may thanks keep us posted :You_Rock_
to late eh tough luck hope everyone is happy with the first batch congrats

swyn

23-02-2007, 20:25

ME!
Cheers from Swyn.

swyn

23-02-2007, 20:26

Oops too late!
No probs. Maybe another day.
Swyn.

British Red

23-02-2007, 20:30

Butchd
Joff
Glen
Sprite
schwuk
Dougster
Joseph
Mayfly
Gailainne
Jon Pickett

All sold in 57 minutes!

Thanks guys - PMs on the way.

For those who missed out - I'll ask Cegga to fire the forge up again!

Red

Silverback

23-02-2007, 20:32

Thought registering interest when this first came up was gonna be some kind of list but now see I have missed out :rolleyes: . Will stick with my SFA instead can't be doing with the 'if youre online your in time' set up

chas brookes

23-02-2007, 20:33

Good Luck to all successfull owners I will keep eyes peeled for next Lot Chas

schwuk

23-02-2007, 20:40

Thought registering interest when this first came up was gonna be some kind of list but now see I have missed out :rolleyes: .

To be fair to BR, he never said the other thread was a waiting list.

Will go for an SFA instead can't be doing with the 'if youre online your in time' set up

I can sympathise - I got lucky this time, but I've missed out on quite a few deals by being late. It's the luck of the draw, but it still sucks to miss out.

23-02-2007, 20:47

oooopppppssss.... just a little too late for this offer.... Never mind.... maybe next time.

Ed

British Red

23-02-2007, 20:54

Trust me guys, Cegga will make some more.

As I explained on the original thread though, I think its fairer to advertise them for sale when they are ready to ship - no-one ends up pre-paying or waiting for a long time and Cegga isn't working flat out with no life - we all know the great makers that has happened to.

Thanks for the interest all - I hope you enjoy them

Red

Guys, Cegga tells me a couple of pepel didn't include their shipping address with the PayPal payment - if this is you can you please e-mail the same e-mail address giving

Your BCUK "screen name"
Your real name
Your shipping address

Cegga would like to get your axes sent soon as!

Red

rapidboy

23-02-2007, 20:57

:( :sigh:

Snufkin

23-02-2007, 21:12

I'll look forward to the test reports :) .

BorderReiver

23-02-2007, 21:16

Thank goodness I logged on too late. :cool:

I would have had it used on me if I'd bought one this month. :rolleyes:

23-02-2007, 21:22

Snufkin

23-02-2007, 21:30

Maybe Cegga should join the makers user group and sell them through the makers market....I'm sure (I know) they will be very popular :D
I've got to admit, I'd love one of these, but I think my chances of me loggin on within an hour of the items being posted are pretty slim.... do you know if he will take orders outside BCUK?

Ed
It might be an idea. Then he doesn't have to wait for a batch to be done but can sell them as they are finished. But I suppose Red and Cegga went through all the options and this was the most suitable way. Can't argue with that.

British Red

23-02-2007, 21:33

Ed,

The makers forum is a good idea - is that okay for "multiple" items?

I really don't want to cause anyone any upset but I also don't want to do "waiting lists" because of the pressure that causes on Cegga. His axes are fantastic, but what I really don't want is another smith crushed under demand and giving up making through overcommiting themselves.

The reason I put the group buy together was the fact that Cegga didn't have the ability to deal with PayPal or credit cards etc. - we've sorted that now, but any queries etc. are difficult when English is not your first language and yor skill is in being a smith not a computer operator!

All advice welcome since Cegga plans to make some more and I'd like to help everyone out but if it becomes a chore for Cegga or for you guys, then I need to find a fairer or better way to put it together whilst still oeprating within Tony's rules

Red

Silverback

23-02-2007, 21:35

I was going to edit my original tantrum sorry I mean post ;) however then people might have missed it and it seems only right I should make a proper apology in a post for all to see :o . I am not going to pretend I am not sorely pi**ed at having missed out on this beautiful piece of work but throwing your toys out of the pram is not the best way to express it. I am camping online when the next batch comes up for grabs :lmao:

23-02-2007, 21:43

I really don't want to cause anyone any upset but I also don't want to do "waiting lists" because of the pressure that causes on Cegga. His axes are fantastic, but what I really don't want is another smith crushed under demand and giving up making through overcommiting themselves.
I know what you mean mate... people have got snowed under with orders...

I was just worried about other makers who have paid (makers subscription) to sell stuff here and seeing Cegga selling through you and not paying the fee...... I was only trying to keep the peace, and realy not trying to cause offense..... I personaly think this is an excellent item for sale on BCUK and a great offer to the members here.

I'm sure if you contact Tony you can work out an arrangment of how much can be sold per month :D

Sorry if you think I came accross too strong.

:)
Ed

British Red

23-02-2007, 21:45

Silverback - No harm, no foul mate. Thats unbelievably handsome of you.

Genuinely I am trying to play fair by everyone here :o

I know they are a great price and a great product - Cegga is going to forge a lot more this wekend (more than 10 ;) ). They then need to be heat treated, ground, hung and masked. It takes a short while (weeks not months). Before they are out people should get some feedback from the first run so they will know what they are getting.

I do understand the frustration - my Lee Reeves took 13 months!

I really feel though that its part of my job to ensure Cegga isn't buried by this - he still makes a living by day!

By selling them only when they are available no-one is left hanging or paying in advance.

I'm really happy if we can do the whole thing through the makers forum if that works (although we may need Big Swede to interpret again :D )

Red

MacFeegle

23-02-2007, 21:46

Can sympathise with you Silverback, camped on the pc last night just in case Red put it up then and logged on as soon as I came in from work today. Went to take our lass to work and when I came back they had all gone. :(
Oh well hopefully next time.
Red do you have a price yet for the next batch?
Thanks.

Paul.

British Red

23-02-2007, 21:49

I know what you mean mate... people have got snowed under with orders...

I was just worried about other makers who have paid (makers subscription) to sell stuff here and seeing Cegga selling through you and not paying the fee...... I was only trying to keep the peace, and realy not trying to cause offense..... I personaly think this is an excellent item for sale on BCUK and a great offer to the members here.

I'm sure if you contact Tony you can work out an arrangment of how much can be sold per month :D

Sorry if you think I came accross too strong.

:)
Ed
Ed,

You didn't come over strong mate :o

I did check with Tony before this sale - wouldn't have posted it otherwise (he wanted one as well - even Tony lucked out)

Ever wish you hadn't started something?

Red

23-02-2007, 21:58

Ever wish you hadn't started something?
Please don't say that mate..... This is fantastic what you are doing... if the rep scales were about you've have a ton.... please dont get dis-heartened :D

Please :)

Ed

chas brookes

23-02-2007, 21:59

Full marks Silverback :lmao: I think most of us felt the same frustration when we realised we had missed out on the first batch.
But I do think that British Red has organised it in the best fair way to Cegga and full marks to him for that.
One of my friends is a very talented artist and used to paint in his spare time and enjoy doing it. However he was badgered by several of his friends with orders for his work and decided that he had enough work to give it go fulltime. What happened was that he had to produce work to a timescale, he was no longer proud of the quality of his painting and it became a chore rather than a pleasure.
It is a sad fact of life he rarely touches a paint brush now, because it no longer holds the pleasure it did for him.
I know from Ceggas reputation one of his axes will be worth waiting for, and the wait will make me cherish the craftmanship of it even more.
While I am waiting I am enjoying the arrival of spring, the building dawn chorus, and checking each morning on which flowers buds are bursting.
This ritual first thing in the morning seems to dissolve any frustrations or problems I may have.
Enjoy the SPRING
Chas :)

Snufkin

23-02-2007, 22:02

I think there was alot of anticipation for this first batch which caused a bit of a stampede. Maybe for future batches, if they are unannounced elsewhere and just posted in the group buys forum things will settle down and all those who want one will eventually get one. I do hope that Cegga does post some of his other work in the makers forum. I may well be after a custom piece from him at some point in the future and I'd hate for him to become sick of smithing.

British Red

23-02-2007, 22:02

Ed- I'm not serious mate - just trying to spread a good product and make sure the buyer gets a fair shake and so does the seller.

I've taken your advice though and asked Tony to make a call on the best way to handle this going forward as there seems to be a large demand. I'm really happy to help put it together - but only in a way that suits buyers and seller that leaves everyone betetr off and not pressured or out of pocket.

Trouble is hand forged items are time consuming and there aren't many can do it. When you get a bargain one, everyone wants one. The problem with that is the smith can get killed in the "rush" and I do see it as part of my role to ensure that doesn't happen - everyone loses then.

Worry not - we'll work summat out

Red

Too Much Kit To Carry

23-02-2007, 22:02

Ahhhhhh - I had to go out and missed this :(

I'm gutted. :eek:

If there is any chance that there is going to be another batch I would be more than willing to pre-order and pay now. I'd lover to get my hands on one of these beutiful axes :)

Phil.

Snufkin

23-02-2007, 22:05

Silverback

23-02-2007, 22:19

Aye, some say "The man who makes his hobby his job will never have to work a day in his life." I say "The man who makes his hobby his job will soon need a new hobby" :rolleyes:Aint that the truth - I am a qualified weight training instructor and teaching others in the gym seemed to be the natural progression given my love for shifting heavy weight - WRONG - I hated it and started dreading spending time in the gym both with clients and when training myself :(

British Red

23-02-2007, 22:57

So, just to show you how seriously we took it ;)

Heres my evidence they were ready to ship!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/175/400119343_d3ee5f1150.jpg

We got a bigger one mixed in with this batch :o

We'll figure something out to do with that one!

Red

schwuk

23-02-2007, 23:06

We got a bigger one mixed in with this batch :o

We'll figure something out to do with that one!

Don't suppose I could claim it instead of the "normal" size? Does Cegga want more for it?

Dougster

23-02-2007, 23:16

Dear God.... I am often lucky, but not often on here. I will write a full and frank review. Looking at the pic, I've no doubt where it will go!

Crikey, they are stunning.

MagiKelly

23-02-2007, 23:27

Typical that's it I am never taking the kids tot eh pictures again :D

Obviously like all those who have missed out on the first batch I am gutted but Red is 100% right about how to run this. We have seen what has happened to Allan Blade and others who have been pestered into taking on more than they are comfortable with. PLEASE do not all contact Cegga and beg him to add you on a list. Let him do what he wants and enjoys and sell them when they are ready. We may need to wait a little longer for our toys but we will be making sure Cegga keeps the joy in his hobby.

I'd rather have to cut wood with my bare hands that see a craftsman reduced to a production line.

ady05

23-02-2007, 23:36

Butchd

24-02-2007, 00:22

I still can't beleive my luck, but I too know of craftsmen who've been overloaded. Mind you I also know one whose solution was to double all of his prices. Still worth it mind you, and one day when I've got enough money and experience to justify it, I'll get him to make me something.

British Red

24-02-2007, 01:13

Just so everyone knows, the big one is a private sale item. One observant person also noted 11 small ones - also true - one belongs to Big Swede who got in early on the whole thing when we needed an interpreter to explain how to do PayPal as mine and Ceggas language skills gave up (thanks Big Swede)

Red

Tiley

24-02-2007, 09:51

Hope I'm not too late to go for one of Cegga's masterpieces! (I probably am). How do I go about paying for it, assuming that I've made the first cut?

Best,
Richard Tiley

Tiley

24-02-2007, 09:54

Oops! What an idiot. I'll have to be more alert and see if I can't get in on the next batch - or the one after; or the one after that........

Huon

24-02-2007, 11:53

I knew there was a good reason to live on the board. Alas work intervened.

:(

Red, would you please put me down as a definite for the next run? I put my name down in the first thread but didn't see this one until too late.

Cheers,

Huon

British Red

24-02-2007, 12:24

Huon,

there are no orders being taken mate - sorry

Red

Lurch

24-02-2007, 17:40

Knickers.
:sigh:

Joseph

25-02-2007, 15:50

To aid Cegga with raising the number of people who get to see his work in the flesh I would be very happy to let people have a use of the one I will recieve. I'm based in Sheffield (near Crookes and a handy allotment) till easter and will be back in Norfolk around then. This should increase the number and variety of tasks it will be used for and opinions on the tool. I'm not too sure about posting it around the country so it will be for people in my neck of the woods. I will have access to a car in Norfolk and I can get around Shef quite easily. Hopefully this will allow me to get more varied use from it as well and some instruction on better axe technique if possible. I'll let people know when it arrives. I've got work during the week and on some weekends but I'll have a good number of afternoons free after the 21st of March. Hopefully this will aid the purpose of the group buy. Plus my cameras just broken so if people want pictures I'm not going to be any help. Joe.

Spikey DaPikey

26-02-2007, 12:43

I must try harder :o

oetzi

28-02-2007, 13:50

Red, I really apreciate the amount of work etc you put into that project!
And Ceggas will to forge!
Your solution of not taking orders to avoid any pressure on Cegga is understandable and certainly one way to do it.
I would like, however, to make another suggestion.
Not everyone here is always around a PC or even has one in the house, maybe. or work and family commitments make logging in less frequent as wished.
So how about this:
Why not making a sort of non-binding waiting list.
If and when Cegga makes some axes, which is entirely up to him, they are offered to those on the list according to their place.
When "production" stops or ceases, thats just the way it is.
But maybe that would making receiving one less stressful or even out the chances for all.
Just a thought. Please dont take it as an offense to your effort.

spamel

28-02-2007, 14:19

I like the idea of saying "At 2000 on Wednesday, I will open a thread for the next 10 Cegga axes. First ten people to post an interest in the thread will get an axe." If posted three or four days in advance, everyone will get fore warning, and the stampede would be fantastic!!

That way, everyone knows the thread will open at 8 pm, they need to be there or they will miss out. This will eradicate the feeling that we need to live on line to get a chance of owning one. I agree that pressurising the maker is a bad thing, so I hope nobody will do that.

It's just a thought, maybe you could throw a sofa in in a Colin stylee just for good measure! :p

MagiKelly

28-02-2007, 14:25

Both of the above solutions still favour those with better PC access.

With a limited supply there is just no way to avoid people being disappointed.

spamel

28-02-2007, 14:39

Both of the above solutions still favour those with better PC access.

With a limited supply there is just no way to avoid people being disappointed.

Granted, but at least people would have fore warning to an imminent sale and either get to a computer to show an interest or get a friend with good access to place the order for them.

oetzi

28-02-2007, 14:55

Both of the above solutions still favour those with better PC access.

Well, I do not have a PC of my own and neither do I have access at work.
But with a waiting list I would not have the pressure to log in in the shortest possible intervals, but instead put my name on a list and be able to sit back, relax and wait maybe a year to get one.
The former would be impossible, the latter I wouldnt mind.

Butchd

28-02-2007, 16:37

FGYT

28-02-2007, 17:03

I completely understand that, but waiting lists do put pressure on the maker. If you really weren't bothered about getting the item then you wouldn't put your name down. That there is a list of people puts a burden on the maker, because they know that they are 'letting down' all the people who are so patiently and nicely waiting. It's a huge compliment to the maker but it carries a price. As I mentioned before it brings to mind a craftsman I know who in the end just cancelled out two years worth of waiting lists because he knew he would never be able to complete it.

i think that argument has gone now :D Cegga reads this and im sure is aware of the number of people wanting his services not haveing a list is not reducing that much pressure now :eek: and not haveing a list is causing ( see above :eek: :eek: )

Basically Cegga make what you want sell them how you wish and stay happy in your Hobby :You_Rock_
in a few years if your still about and have satisfied the blood lust for the Red hunter can i havew a double headded Damascus please :D :D

ATB

Duncan

British Red

28-02-2007, 18:52

FGYT,

We are working on a double bit design, but the pressure for the Red Hunter has caused us to put it on the back burner for a bit

Okay all, here is an update

I have exchanged mails with Tony over this to ensure that what we do complies with both the spirit and the letter of the rules on BCUK. Tony has made (as always) some very helpful suggestions as to future ways he may be able to assist in future supply routes for these products (cheers Tony).

I do hear and understand the desire for Ceggas great work. We have spoken about the next batch but as Cegga is working on a day job custom commission, the next batch will probably be a couple of weeks away. Oh by the way - the custom commission is a damascus crowbar :eek: . Go figure!

I wish I could find away around this. I hear the "set up a list" request. However that engenders two problems.

1. The list could get big, fast. Actually that may be worse than several "batch postings". If you happened to be on holiday when the list thread was posted, you could find yourself at number 78 before you returned. I'm not sure thats any fairer than several "small batch" lists. At least that way if you are offline for a few days, you may get lucky next time.

2. A long list would put huge pressure on Cegga to keep churning out the same item time and time again rather than enjoying his sideline and delivering different items.

Now there is simple, logical mechanism when delivering a product for which demand outstrips supply. Put the price up. The only logical alternative would be some form of "lottery draw". However if someone wins...we could be faced with a conundrum of how long to hold the item before offering it to the next person.

I'm not sure thats any more random than chucking up a WIGIG goup buy.

Let me mull on it

H

Lurch

28-02-2007, 20:23

Just stick 'em on evilbay mate.
Given the interest I'm sure they'll fetch a good price.

Dougster

28-02-2007, 20:32

Given this interest I may just wrap mine in cling film and swap it for someones house in ten years or so.

Digging it into a piece of wood will seem like a carnall sin. (But you know I'll enjoy it). ;)

Tadpole

28-02-2007, 20:43

Cegga and British Red are doing the best they can, were they to set up a shop selling axes in say Bristol everyone who didn’t live in Bristol would feel that they were at a disadvantage. Same with a first come fist serve none list listing, apart from the lucky ten everyone else will be disappointed. Life is full of little disappointments
There is no easy solution to this, so I say leave it as it is. Ok I’m saving like made to buy one for myself and as of yet I am no where near what I suspect the next lot will go for. But so long as the pressure is not piled up on Cegga, he will keep making them. So maybe in a year time I stand a chance of getting what from all accounts is an axe of a life time.
Keep up the good work both of you, and if the pressure gets too much, do as Lurch suggests stick them up one at a time on eBay and let the bun fights begin.
I’m sure lots of people would say that is unfair as well as only people with lots of cash will get one, a bit like a Alan made woodlore knife or a RM pencil. :cool:

British Red

28-02-2007, 20:47

Thanks Tadpole,

Now theres a thought on the EvilBay

It does provide a viable alternative huh?

Red

JonnyP

28-02-2007, 20:47

. Oh by the way - the custom commission is a damascus crowbar :eek: . Go figure!

No way...!!!!
You don't suppose he would do me a custom damascus bricky trowel would he...?

British Red

28-02-2007, 20:48

Jon,

I'm sure he would mate

Have you seen his damascus hammer?

Red

JonnyP

28-02-2007, 20:51

Jon,

I'm sure he would mate

Have you seen his damascus hammer?

Red
Sure have, has he done any damascus nails to go with it....??

British Red

28-02-2007, 20:58

Bet he could too!

FGYT

28-02-2007, 21:07

Thanks Tadpole,

Now theres a thought on the EvilBay

It does provide a viable alternative huh?

Red

do that for a while and any money made over a propper price goto charity ;)

that way the market will sort out what they are worth and Cegga gets a decent price for his sweat and with out being open to acusations of profitering

right need a small red squirrel stamp on the side of each one now ;)

Duncan

Tadpole

28-02-2007, 21:09

Sure have, has he done any damascus nails to go with it....??
if he does, will you tell me where you use the nails :rolleyes: , nails make great arrow heads (ask any bushman) :lmao:

JonnyP

28-02-2007, 21:45

if he does, will you tell me where you use the nails :rolleyes: , nails make great arrow heads (ask any bushman) :lmao:
They also make good pins in knife making,
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/community/showthread.php?t=18818 # 16, some damascus pins would look well cool....

AndyW

28-02-2007, 21:58

Red,

I think you've spoiled us all by introducing us to the work of Cegga :p

The axes are beautiful and no doubt a dream to use but let's be honest, what's the rush everyone?

If you really need an axe, then there are a number out there to choose from. If you want an axe, a Cegga axe, then they look like they'll be worth waiting for. Waiting lists, people voicing a dislike for the WIGIG method - no method is going to solve the "supply problem" or please everyone. Somebody is going to lose out. That's just life.

For me, if I get one, I think half the pleasure will come from knowing the passion and pleasure that has gone into the making of it.

Red, thank you for managing this and ensuring that Cegga isn't swampped and can continue to enjoy his sideline. I hope one day to be a proud owner of his work and I hope that Cegga can continue to enjoy making them for many, many years to come. :You_Rock_

Andy

BorderReiver

28-02-2007, 22:12

sargey

01-03-2007, 15:14

excellent work!

just as an aside, isn't sweden in the EU? so there shouldn't be any customs duties to worry about. you can also do free money transfers direct from one account to the other. you'll need the swiftbic, and iban numbers off your bank statements.

paypal's great, but why pay them if you don't have to?

cheers, and.

Butchd

01-03-2007, 17:05

Customs duty mainly will mean VAT, which is chargeable upon entry into the UK at the UK rates. Whether customs will bother to stop and check will depend on the package and a certain luck of the draw.

AndyW

01-03-2007, 22:47

Customs duty mainly will mean VAT, which is chargeable upon entry into the UK at the UK rates. Whether customs will bother to stop and check will depend on the package and a certain luck of the draw.

But if Sweden are in the EU then I thought VAT was taken care of. Isn't that part of the idea of the EU and free trade and all that? Or have I missed the whole point and got this all upside round! :confused:

Isn't it like those that go on a booze cruise to France, duty is paid in France at French rates :D

Andy

Butchd

02-03-2007, 00:54

If you are exporting within the EU, you don't charge VAT because it is very hard to reclaim VAT from another EU country - it can take years. If you are VAT registered then you'd account for the VAT using the reverse charging system, but if the goods are going to a consumer then Customs might well charge it. Of course since I doubt if Cegga is VAT registered it shouldn't be charged anyway, but Customs wouldn't know that.... Bit of a lottery all in all... Booze cruisers by definition are buying in the country and therefore pay the going VAT rate. Techinically I suppose you could reclaim the French VAT and then pay customs the UK VAT as you entered the country.

Celt_Ginger

04-03-2007, 13:59

Keep up the good work both of you, and if the pressure gets too much, do as Lurch suggests stick them up one at a time on eBay and let the bun fights begin.
I’m sure lots of people would say that is unfair as well as only people with lots of cash will get one, a bit like a Alan made woodlore knife or a RM pencil.

I have a Ray Mears Pencil.
Would anyone like to swap it for a Cegga Axe?

Glen

04-03-2007, 15:53

If you are exporting within the EU, you don't charge VAT because it is very hard to reclaim VAT from another EU country - it can take years. If you are VAT registered then you'd account for the VAT using the reverse charging system, but if the goods are going to a consumer then Customs might well charge it. Of course since I doubt if Cegga is VAT registered it shouldn't be charged anyway, but Customs wouldn't know that....

Unless the VAT rules have change in the last decade or so, which is when I last looked at them, you dont have to be VAT registered unlesess your turnover is over a certin ammount ( was around £30,000 per year ) A small operation like Cegga's is unlikely to come anyhere near that so there should be no VAT charged to the end user in this case.

Some of the other members, involved in the retail side of things, might be able to give the latest figures.

Butchd

04-03-2007, 16:47

The key words being 'should be' <grins> I only work on corporate imports, so I guess there is some sort of customs declaration to state that you aren't covered by the VAT net. I guess it'll be something to look into if anyone gets caught by it.

Butchd

05-03-2007, 12:33

Axe arrived at work this morning! It's a beautiful piece of work that the photos don't do justice to. Now it's monday morning, which means I won't be able to properly test it out until at least the weekend - now that is just plain cruel! >.< lol

British Red

05-03-2007, 13:01

Glad it arrived safely (and without any "delays at port"). Hopefully the others won't be far behind! I look forward to seeing peoples reviews / comments and would love to see a picture or two of the received items

Regards - Red

JonnyP

05-03-2007, 13:10

yep, mine has come too....Looks superb, work of art. I am very pleased with it, though there is a small dink on the cutting edge, but I will soon sort that out. It comes hair popping sharp out the box. I am not too sure about the mask locking device, looks neat, but will it hold the axe in place, while the axe is being bumped about on a pack...Time will tell....
Thanks for sorting this one Red
Will put some photos up later (if no one else has not already done so)

British Red

05-03-2007, 13:14

Jon,

Sorry to her about a dink in the edge....that shouldn't be there :( . If you want me to exchange it or sort it or refund, just say the word

Red

JonnyP

05-03-2007, 13:18

Jon,

Sorry to her about a dink in the edge....that shouldn't be there :( . If you want me to exchange it or sort it or refund, just say the word

Red
Its no problem, only a small one at the top of the cutting edge, I will soon sort it...
I am well pleased with it Red and can't wait to test it.....

spamel

05-03-2007, 13:23

Jon, first impressions, how does it compare in quality to a Granny or Wetterlings? They look really well made and considering it is a one man effort.....

Can you take any pics at the moment?

British Red

05-03-2007, 13:24

So long as you are happy, I'm happy mate!

I did chat with Cegga about warranties by the way. All his work is guaranteed against manufacturing fault for 20 years - I guess if a fault hasn't appeared in that time...

I also have the steel details, hardness reading and tempering details if anyone wants them?

red

JonnyP

05-03-2007, 13:32

Jon, first impressions, how does it compare in quality to a Granny or Wetterlings? They look really well made and considering it is a one man effort.....

Can you take any pics at the moment?
Sorry mate, will sort out later, really must get back to work..... ;)

spamel

05-03-2007, 13:41

I guessed you may have been at work!! :nono: very naughty!!

:D

Gailainne

05-03-2007, 14:22

Lunchtime ;)

Got mine 5 mins ago, first impressions, weighs nothing in the hand, feels very comfortable. The finish is superb. Downside is I'll have to wait till the weekend to have a proper play...eh test.

Stephen

Dougster

05-03-2007, 14:33

I also have the steel details, hardness reading and tempering details if anyone wants them?

red

I would, out of interest.

Joseph

05-03-2007, 15:04

Mine arrived this morning. Smaller than expected and lighter. Compared to the granfors carpenters axe its not as hair shavingly sharp but the edge is much more convex and looks more resilient which makes sense. Mine was packed unmasked with a protective rubber like layer on which had held up except for the very top but appears undamaged. Not sure about the cordlock on the mask it seems to be very agressive on the leather lace and may damage it so that it would be worn and unsecure more quickly but only time will tell. The mask has a welt in unlike the gransfors which when I recived it had a dink in the edge where it was pressed against a rivet because of this. Overall mask build quality is good but it will need use to see how the wrap around design holds up.

Overall finish is excellent. The edge is polished and the head to a lesser degree but I like that. The bottom of poll is not as polished and has machine marks but I'd said its nitpicking if your marking it down on that. All the standard stuff seems fine on first inspection; centred head, straight grain, etc. The top majority of the edge is off the ground when it and the handle are layed down so will see how this feels. WIll add more when it has been used.

Thanks again to Red for the conception of the design and organising the buy. Beautiful little tool more refined and polished than the granfors, not saying this is better for everything but different and should be good for its intended use and size.

Tiley

05-03-2007, 15:22

Hearing about the safe arrivals of these beautiful looking axes and one or two initial reviews makes me wonder how long it will be before Cegga produces his next batch. My fingers are itching!

Butchd

05-03-2007, 16:14

Well that looks like the first bit of useful feedback. The rubber applied to the blade had split on mine too just at the top, though there is no damage. Perhaps, this allowed the light damage to Jons, since he mentioned it was at the top too?

mayfly

05-03-2007, 16:31

Mine arrived today as well. With apologies for my poor photo technique, here are some pictures. These are taken straight out of the box, no cleaning or anything. Cosmetically, it is fine, good edge, clearly very well made, and a joy to hold. One thing, the handle securing rivet is not centred in the eye, as it is in the picture of Red's at the start of this thread, though that is perhaps a very picky comment. I don't think I can really comment more until I have used it properly alongside a GB SFA. I should add that I am a total novice with a lot of this stuff, so am going on reading and instinct. I have booked myself onto an axe workshop later in the spring and can already feel myself becoming a total 'axe-head' if that is the right term :D

Chris

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schwuk

05-03-2007, 17:53

Similar experience here. Mine arrived this morning with the same split in the top of the rubber.

Overall very happy with it - although I have the same concerns about the mask locking mechanism - but like everyone else I need to have a proper play with it.

Well done Cegga - top workmanship.

I do have photos, but Red's original ones do it justice.

Dougster

05-03-2007, 17:57

Mines here too. Everything about it is fantastic, including Ceggas card!!

It feels great, it has great balance and takes the corner off a piece of A4, anything more I shan't say until I have had more of a play.

Richard

British Red

05-03-2007, 18:46

Thank you all for the feedback - it is all gratefully received.

For anyone who wanted the "specs" of your purchase, the following is from Cegga

The steel I use is HB 3 it ´s the same as GB and the HRC is ca 55 The temp when hardened is 820 and to temper it´s 250 for 30 min .

The axe mask question is a good one. Certainly when I first saw it I thought...oooh - weird. In use, it has been no worse (or better) than a GB mask. I have already opened discussions with Singteck about a mask similar to the ones he has done for my other axes but to a "stand alone" pattern.

I had considered offering the axe with such a mask, but was worried that the additional cost might put the axe beyond the reach of some (when you think that the axe less shipping was £25, you can see it would be a big difference).

I am going to have one made and would be happy to publish the photos if anyone is interested? Then if anyone wants one they can chat directly with Singteck?

Red

Gailainne

05-03-2007, 19:37

Ive uploaded a few photos here (http://s161.photobucket.com/albums/t213/Gailainne/Ceggas%20Axe/)
But Mayfly's cover it, I do have a picture of the result of cutting paper.

About the mask, even though it has a belt loop, the design is such I would never wear it that way. This kind of tool I would probably keep in my rucksack till needed, as such the mask for my needs is fine, nice workmanship.

The whole package, blade, haft and mask shows craftmanship to a high degree.
Really pleased with it.

The only things I would suggest is a bit more packing, and that Cegga gets a stamp made up, these blades deserve it.

Stephen

Query Do ppl actually carry axes on their belt ?

British Red

05-03-2007, 19:49

Thanks for the comments guys.

I must explain the notion of "feedback" to Cegga :o

Just got this from him

Hi !!
They seems like ther are some wrong with some axe´s or ??
can you say what so I now pleas don´t no what they mean .

Cegga

Or loosely translated

It seems as if there is something wrong with some of the axes...can you explain so I know what to do...I'm not sure I understand

Bless :D

I've expalined that we wanted loads of comments and feedback and that (so far) no-one wants to take me up on "Reds money back guarantee" ;)

Red

JonnyP

05-03-2007, 20:25

The only things I would suggest is a bit more packing, and that Cegga gets a stamp made up, these blades deserve it.

Stephen

Query Do ppl actually carry axes on their belt ?

Bit more packing would be better, because the axes could move about in the box. I reckon my one got dropped onto something hard, which caused the dink. I think the axes would be better protected with the masks on....
Yes some people carry axes on their belt, but usually just slotted through the belt, rather than attached to it....From what I have seen...
Cegga does have a stamp on the blade, just above the poll, on the top...

British Red

06-03-2007, 18:54

Hi,

If anyone has not received their axeyet, could they let me know via this thread please? Cegga is anxious to know that they all turned up!

Cheers

Red

Butchd

06-03-2007, 20:04

Here and now used! I took the day off because I had man flu, well OK I wanted to use the axe. I'll write something up once I've used it a bit more, but I now have a squared off lump of green beech, a section that splintered off when a tree came down recently. Lots of user problems but no axe ones!

Glen

06-03-2007, 22:04

Hi,

If anyone has not received their axeyet, could they let me know via this thread please? Cegga is anxious to know that they all turned up!

Cheers

Red

I'm fairly certain that the "You were out when we tried to deliver" card that I got yesterday was my axe, I'll be picking up tomorrow morning, will yet you know when I've done so and give you a first impression review.

Glen

07-03-2007, 21:49

Picked up the axe from the post office depot first thing this morning, this did mean I had to take it into work so I thought I'd better not open it till I was alone.

However as the first person I ran into was the works resident wood and metalwork technician I thought it was a good chance to get an opinion of a non bushcrafter on materials that he knows better then me. After a minute or 2 of looking it over, with me pointing out how parallel the woodgrain was in the correct direction, he only had one word to say. "Quality"
To which I can only add, he's very fussy about the tools he uses.
Sometimes the least amount of words says the most, so that takes care of the materials and manufacturing really ;)

I'll presume that anyone reading this thread has already seen the previous picture and read the dimensions and etc so will jump to how does it feel in the hand.

The wood feels smooth and grips firmly, clasping it lightly in my right, at various points along the handle, I tried to push it out of my grip with my left hand, no slippage, so I tried tapping the butt, then eye, it stayed firmly in my right hand grip. Changing tact a little I held it just with my right thumb and index finger wrapped lightly around, tis time tapping either end produced just a few mm of slippage, ( doing the same with a piece of wooden broom handle and it moves about 3-6 inches ) when actually gripping with just my finger and thumb it produced none. This give me great confidence that it's not going to fly out of my hand in use and will deliver any cut as good as my aim and technique is. I guess I'm going to have to work on that now I've lost an excuse ;)

In my ( I think size 8-9 squeeze into medium gloves fit easily into large) hands gripping the handle near the bottom, for a power stoke, my middle fingers
fit snuggle into the flesh of my thumb. Going up the handle it feels the same for a few inches then starts to slightly widen to the top where they wrap round and just touch, great for fine work and delicate chipping, all the way along it has a nice progression and balance.

At this point I wish I was more experienced with axes and could comment on the bit and grind but other they to say, out of the box I've managed to rough shave to part of my arm and cut a piece of paper, and to check out the previous picture, I don't really think I can say very much of value.

So I gave it a quick test on a piece of battonning I had lying around. I managed to easily create some passable feather sticks ( which I'm not even too good at with my Frosts Mora ) and chopped a nice point onto the end with little effort. The surface of the remaining wood feels very smooth, almost planed, considerable smoother than the surfaces that the wood originally had.

As for portability, well you've already read the sizes. In practise it fits neatly into a Snugpak side pouch, which means it's far more likely to be carried just in case than if it was even a few inches longer, and just long enough that it could be pressed into use 2 handed. To me that's the perfect size for a single axe.

I like this axe, I like it a lot, I like it so much I'm going to buy a cheap axe to practise my techniques with so I don't ruin it doing anything stupid.

Which only leaves me with one problem. I like to suggest things that might help someone improve something, I even like suggesting something that they came back and explain why they didn't do it that way, I'm at a rare loss to actually come up with anything to do with the axe itself.

So the only thing I think I might be able to contribute is an idea about shipping.
Having read Cegga's advice slip that came the box, he suggests not using the shelter on it if it's not to be used for a long time. I can only presume that why it's shipped without the mask on, I'm guessing maybe it will retain moisture against the metal or something. Having read of others where the egde covering had arrived slightly split ( mine arrived in tact ) I'd suggest maybe wrapping the head in a little tissue then covering with a piece of plastic bag, which can be sealed to the top of the handle with a small elastic band, then putting the mask on.
That just goes to show how hard pressed I was to come up with some critical feedback ;)

Tack Cegga and thanks Red, you have one very satisfied ( and lucky ) customer here.

Dougster

07-03-2007, 22:20

The first thing that struck me when I arrived home to see the box was that it was there. I was looking for a red card, but there it was, the box went through the letterbox! I knew the dimensions, but this was small, I had no problems with the blade being damaged, but it slid around the box a little – wrap it in newspaper?

I opened the box and had a little swing, the kids were up so nothing too vigorous. It felt lovely, the balance was spot on and the weight just right. I read the piece of paper a few times to get it (for a Swedish guy who doesn’t speak much English you have to admire the effort that went into it – shame on us Brits and our language skills). I looked at the detail – the card was well done(not importnat but a nice little gesture that leaves a nice feeling), there was a stamp with Cegga 01 on the top, and the line of the blade down the handle was spot on (EXACTLY). The handle has stunning grain patterns, following the line of the handle adding strength, and is roughly (nut not too roughly) finished, which means it holds well when a little wet (I tried). It's also chunkier than any I'm used to which means it fits in my hand much more comfortably and I can have a slightly more relaxed grip.

When the kids were in bed I took off the mask. It was secure – at least as secure as the ones with a press stud and a damn site prettier, but that flappy thing may wear through after a while with the teeth of the cord grip.

As I mentioned above the balance is superb, really really comfortable and I felt I could carve with it for quite a while without feeling the fatigue I do with my small forest axe. So I took them both out to the pile of branches I had collect for the very purpose (if only my lessons were this well planned)!!!

I started with the SFA just to remind myself of the starting point, and it is a little unwieldy when carving fine stuff, but when used at full length went through a piece of green Scots Pine an inch and three quarters thick with one swing.

I swapped to the Cegga and swung. It was delightful; better balance, lighter and a perfect length handle.

Then it hit the wood.

It stopped.

It was about 12mm in.

I couldn’t understand, it took the corner off the A4 cleanly, it stuck on my fingernail. So I had a closer look. The convex grind is just that: Convex, with a capital C. 3mm back from the blade it’s thick, it splits well, but that is not what I am after from something this size. I would like a thinner edge to really bite, with me it’s not for heavy splitting. I am soaking my wet stones as we speak for an evening taking it down.

It’s not that I’m not happy with this axe, please don’t think that. I am over the moon with it, the skill, effort and love that went into it are clearly evident. Everything is perfect. The attention to detail is a lesson to all of us who make things.

It’s just that I would like a shaper grind on it, that’s my preference. But then you have to think of the people who want a broader grind, I can always take it thinner with a little work; having that extra material gives me that option, so I probably wouldn’t even change the grind for the next run - to leave that choice there for others.

Overall I am thrilled I got in on this. It will stay with me, it fits in my daysack (which the SFA won’t) and is better for the carving jobs I enjoy. I’m sure with a regrind it will do all I ask of it.

It has found a special place amongst my belongings, and I will enjoy using it for years to come (the 20 year – or working life of Cegga – guarantee is also something special with a tool which will have a hard life). I think what I am trying to say is that I suppose it is perfect, not for me, not for the next guy, but for us as a group. I’ll enjoy the modifications I feel I need to make, making it really mine.

This is the best thing I have bought for myself for a long long time. Thank-you Red, for a design I can’t fault, thank-you Cegga for your perfectionism and realizing the idea as well as you have.

Richard