save space with fold flat cookware?

[locust_jrm]

its true
i saw this novel idea on the program "dragons den"
what it basicly is a set of plastic trays that are creased so that they fold into, cups, mugs, plates and bowls.
they all fold dwn to less than 6mm, their fantatic. have a look for yourself:
www.orikaso.com (http://www.orikaso.com/)

[Bushcraft4life]

Cheers mate i remember that episode and couldn't find those anywhere.

Thanks
Jay

[locust_jrm]

I think that they just set up the site. They are fantasic they save so much space in your pack which you can use for food. mmmm food :)

[rik_uk3]

I had two last year, sorry, they are crap, the studs pop at the wrong time, you know, when its full of stew etc

I've got one left, if anybody wants it pm me your address and I'll post it on to you

[Bushcraft4life]

Thanks for the heads up mate i was just about to buy some. I wouldn't mind having one of the cup versions but i couldn't really see (as much as i would like) them holding a big load of hot soup or stew.

[torjusg]

The idea seems to be taken from the traditional bark cooking vessels.

[GoatBoy666]

Ive been using them for a couple of years. Well before the dragons den episode.
The bowl is ok but I espcially like the plate, its always in my pack.
Cant say I had any popper exploding moments in all the times Ive used them. Maybe I was making light stew... :D
Dont think much of the cup, little bit fidderly, and not to large or stable.
The plate is a doddle to clean in the field as it opens flat. Can be used as funnle, filter or chopping board etc.
Because it packs flat I slide it down against the back of ruck sack. So easy to find when it needed. Takes up know space and weight is minimal. Hope this helps. :cool:

[JohnC]

I got a set about 3 months ago & found them ok, esp the cup..

[big_swede]

I think that they just set up the site. They are fantasic they save so much space in your pack which you can use for food. mmmm food :)

Sorry to do a bit of hi-jacking here, but I almost fell of my chair laughing at your signature!!

And as torjusg said, it seems to be taken from birch bark cooking vessels. But I think this would be great, first you can save space, and then you can use it as a pattern to try to make your own birch bark vessels. Great stuff!

[cyclist]

Sorry to do a bit of hi-jacking here, but I almost fell of my chair laughing at your signature!!

And as torjusg said, it seems to be taken from birch bark cooking vessels. But I think this would be great, first you can save space, and then you can use it as a pattern to try to make your own birch bark vessels. Great stuff!

hm, let´s see ... you really take birch bark or this made_from-crude-oil copy, put your food in and place it over an open fire to prepare a meal? Ever tried to collect water from a Scandinavian white water with it? :eek: :) :lmao: :D

I can´t see any advantage over a 1 liter ti pot plus bowl (as a lid) combo

[John Fenna]

When leading expeds in forign parts I carry 1 or 2 bowls for the prat who loses/breaks their own as well as a hygenic cutting board. It is great kit and the latest ones are popper free and some are marked up for chess etc - not overly bushy but very good for youth expeds!
John

[torjusg]

hm, let´s see ... you really take birch bark or this made_from-crude-oil copy, put your food in and place it over an open fire to prepare a meal? Ever tried to collect water from a Scandinavian white water with it? :eek: :) :lmao: :D

I can´t see any advantage over a 1 liter ti pot plus bowl (as a lid) combo

As long as the flames doesn't go over the waterline, you are in theory fine, even with paper. :)

[locust_jrm]

Origami cookware :eek:
that won't work its not burning you've got to worry about but the paper becoming soden and spliting both spilling your food and putting out your fire, desasterr waiting to happen

[torjusg]

Origami cookware :eek:
that won't work its not burning you've got to worry about but the paper becoming soden and spliting both spilling your food and putting out your fire, desasterr waiting to happen

Try it, I can assure you, it does work. ;)

[big_swede]

hm, let´s see ... you really take birch bark or this made_from-crude-oil copy, put your food in and place it over an open fire to prepare a meal? Ever tried to collect water from a Scandinavian white water with it? :eek: :) :lmao: :D

I can´t see any advantage over a 1 liter ti pot plus bowl (as a lid) combo

Yes I have collected water from white waters with folded birch vessel, no problem! And I have cooked in them as well, no problem either! Of course they don't have any advantages over titanium pots (if that's what you're referring to), neither does a lean-to compared to a hotel! I thought that this forum was about bushcraft, not hi-tech hiking stuff. And with that in mind I thought that it would be nice to use the foldable cookware as a model.

@locust The paper wont become soden as long as it's water left inside. You can boil water even in a freezer bag over open fire. Try it. ;)

[Danceswithhelicopters]

Where da ya get the chess game ones? Could be good in a 'staring at the flysheet rainy kind of day'.

[gregorach]

Any chance of some photos and a bit of a how-to on those birch bark vessels from either torjusg or big_swede? It's something I've heard of many times and a really interesting idea, but I've never seen it done. ;)

[torjusg]

Any chance of some photos and a bit of a how-to on those birch bark vessels from either torjusg or big_swede? It's something I've heard of many times and a really interesting idea, but I've never seen it done. ;)

I'll do it if you remind me in the spring.

Right now, I only have one remaining sheet of solid birch bark and that is going to become one of potentially two berry pickers. :D

[gregorach]

No worries mate. :)

[big_swede]

Any chance of some photos and a bit of a how-to on those birch bark vessels from either torjusg or big_swede? It's something I've heard of many times and a really interesting idea, but I've never seen it done. ;)

No photos by me, unfortunately. But here is a suggestion how to make a simple kuksa:
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q237/olleorama/ksa.jpg

The same technique with the wooden spring clip to hold the vessel together can also be used for making a rectangular cooking vessel. For lid, a single sheet of bark can be used.

[gregorach]

It's a start - thanks! :)

[torjusg]

A tip though, hold it over a fire until supple when you are going to fold bark like that. It reduces the chances of cracking greatly.

[locust_jrm]

looks good i'll try it in the spring

[Glen]

I can´t see any advantage over a 1 liter ti pot plus bowl (as a lid) combo

Having gone back to read the new specs I'm glad to see their making them from recycled materials now.

There is one advantage, which strangley enough the manufacturer's don't seem to see as a marketing point, they float.

I agree with you that I wouldn't replace a cookpot/billy with them, but see them as a somewhat different usage eg more a small group thing rather than a solo thing.

[cyclist]

of course it´s possible to bring water in a paper container to a boil - no doubt about that. Im not sure about freezer bag cooking, at higher temperatures some of the bag´s material might "go" into the food.
And of course it´s all about bushcraft here, no doubt our ancestors used birch bark, wood, clay, animal skin and whatever they had - probably no titanium, not sure about those folding plastic stuff :rolleyes:

whith my critics I just wanted to make a point about some downsides of folding flat cookware and for sure not to put them down in total.
My apologies if this wasn´t clear.

Best on this discussion is to learn from others - thanks a lot for the ideas.
For sure I´m now prepared for the worst case: beeing somewhere in the wild and having no Trangia and no titanium pot with me all I´ve to do is to find birch bark :D

[torjusg]

You can use elm, spruce or whatever other bark too (non-poisonous preferably). The results are cruder though.