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maddave
01-02-2007, 19:36
By it's very nature Bushcraft requires a certain amount of kit, even if you cut it right down to the basics and kit costs money. In this artice I'm going to try and suggest cheaper alternatives to top of the range kit and also what could be made yourself.

First you'll need something to carry your kit in, and although you can pay upwards of £200 for a pack, there are a few hardwearing alternatives to be had for very little money. The 1st is the highlander military 44 that is hardwearing and cheap with loads of features and at this time can be got for less than £30 on the webhttp://www.surplusandadventure.com/ishop/images/800/forces_44.jpg
And if that's over your budget the swedish LK35 is a good hardwearing pack with frame for under a tenner http://www.surplusandadventure.com/ishop/images/800/rucksack_35l_swedish.jpg

Next comes something to sleepunder or in. Basically to keep the elements off your bod while you kip and do your daily chores. The simplest form of portable shelter is of course is the tarp, and although again you can pay big bucks for one (up to about £100) there are cheaper alternatives. For one you could go to a DIY shop like B&Q, Walmart or machine mart for example and pick up a plain green 8'X10' poly tarp for less than £6.00 or a 10'X12' camo one for less than £12.00. http://www.machinemart.co.uk/images/library/ranges/large/0653.jpg The other option is a small tent and Ebay is your friend here with some tents being sold for as little as £4.00.

The next consideration is your sleeping arrangements. You'll need a sleeping bag or bedroll of some description ans something to insulate you against the cold ground. A bed roll can be made from some cheap ex army blankets and a sheet of canvas but as you can imagine the 2 enemies of weight and bulk start to creep in. Bedding can be made from heather or spruce boughs etc if you don't want a kip mat. Although cheap foam "Aerobics" mats can be found for £1.00 in some thrift stores. The other option is a proper sleeping bag but the cheaper ones are usually bulky, so this is one item you may have to bite the bulley and fork out a bit more money for.

Navigation equipment ! Yep you've guessed it Some compasses, GPS devices etc go for hundreds of pounds like the British Army Prismatic at a mere £240http://www.armynnavy.com/catalog/catalog/images/black.jpg Or the Garmin Etrex Vista GPS at £300http://img.clubic.com/photo/00103003.jpg The thing to remember is that although GPS is fun and can be very simple, even the expensive ones need batteries and once they're exhausted you're prized GPS becomes and expensive house brick !! My advice is get a compass and learn how to use it. The best compass makers like SILVA, RECTA, SUUNTO and BRUNTON all do budget models for under a tenner and these are high quality items that won't let you down.http://www.relaytraining.co.uk/ph_compass.jpg

Cooking equipment is best to be stainless for hygienic reasons and you can make simple billy cans by investing is a stainless steel tea caddy set from your local thrift store and putting wire handles on them made from coat hangers. Likewise a steel mug doesn't have to be a crusader at £15 you can get many quite passable steel mugs for under £5 http://www.lasoutdoors.com/images/stainless-steel-camp-mug.jpg .

Water bottles can simply be polythene fizzy drinks bottles washed out once the original contents have been used.

For lighting, candle lanterns can be made from old beer cans by simply cutting a window out and placing an ordinary bit of household candle inside. Most hardware shops will sell small serviceable torches for a few pounds and a headband can be quickly sewn up from some wide elastic to make a handsfree setup similar to what's on offer for the AA maglite commercially.

Wetfire tinder can be made by soaking cotton wool balls with Vaseline and packing in small plastic bags.

There are many homemade stove plans on the net. Just check out a few links and take your pick
http://zenstoves.net/
http://wings.interfree.it/html/main.html

Cutting Tools.... Ahh yes this subject can cause fire in the belly of the most mild mannered bushcrafter and cutting tools are a very personal thing, but remember, we're on a budget so you get what you can and I'll try and give a few pointers. First off the knife. You can part with £100's of pounds for a knife and have it hanging off your belt gleaming like some kind of trophy... or on the other hand you can get a good quality knife for about a tenner that you won't have a second thought about the blade getting dirty or tarnished or indeed if it's going to lose it's value if you cut something with it. For a fixed blade you can't go wrong with the "Frosts Mora " blades.https://www.anasazi.org/store/itempics/G105.jpg They are razor sharp, easy to maintain and are tough as old boots. and in some places you can still get change from £10 if you buy one. For folders I like the rustic simplicity of the "Opinel" carbon from france.http://www.knifelife.ru/images/Opinel_8_10_12_2.jpg They're not pretty but they do exactly what they're supposed to and do it well.
For a saw there are many cheap models available, just type "Pruning Saw" in Ebay and there are loads. Sure enough the cheap ones aren't going to last as long as a laplander but as an example I recently felled, limbed and took to the tip a 12' conifer using only the saw I bought from a £1 shop. One of these http://www.chainsawspecialists.co.uk/accessories%20pictures/handsaws%20etc/silverline%20pruning%20saw%20s mall.jpg
There are many cheap axes on the market and unfortunately quite a few are poorly made, but there are some out there to be had for a reasonable price. The Vaughan Hatchet from axminster tools is an excellent small axe for just £20,http://www.axminster.co.uk/images/products/441040_l.jpg half the price of a GB and a good quality bit of kit.
The old army poncho is also worth the £8 or so they go for. Not the most stylish bit of kit but they keep most of the weather off and if a few of your mates get them they can all be popped together to make a huge tarp to sit under.http://www.bossgear.com/images/15poncho.gif

Well I hope this has given some food for thought and perhaps it will save some of your hard earned.

Take care out there

Mad Dave

Bushcraft4life
01-02-2007, 19:40
Great read maddave and i am sure a lot of people will appreciate this. Must have taken a while to write up :rolleyes: .

Have a rep point too dude :D

Cap'n Badger
01-02-2007, 19:47
Fine write up there fella!!....... :You_Rock_

leon-b
01-02-2007, 19:54
nice write up it must have took you some time
leon

Ed
01-02-2007, 19:55
Excellent piece.... Dont forget 'string' instead of paracord :D .... I use garden twin alot.... the stuff made out of plant fibre. Its also great as tinder if you spend some time pulling the fibres apart :)

Ed

maddave
01-02-2007, 20:06
Excellent piece.... Dont forget 'string' instead of paracord :D .... I use garden twin alot.... the stuff made out of plant fibre. Its also great as tinder if you spend some time pulling the fibres apart :)

Ed

Great idea.....Any more money saving idea's get em written down here for the benefit of all !! :You_Rock_

Ogri the trog
01-02-2007, 20:08
Dave,
You're a man after my own heart. I often think along the lines of - "I can make one of those". Which often becomes "maybe I can't get it as good as theirs" but the journey along the way often points out the features or gimmicks that I don't want or need - so I end up buying the right one for me instead of the one the manufacturers say is the best!

Nice piece

Ogri the trog

rik_uk3
01-02-2007, 20:25
Good write up Dave, common sense, and no "label hunting"

swyn
01-02-2007, 20:37
Thanks for that maddave. Good, sensible, advice.
Cheers from Swyn.

pibbleb
01-02-2007, 21:15
A very good read, nicely done.

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locum76
01-02-2007, 21:54
brilliant, im skint most of the time and this could be really useful. :D

Spikey DaPikey
01-02-2007, 22:14
Dont forget your local £1 shop as well.

I've got a headlamp, tent pegs, sharpening stone, 'never go out' birthday candles, LOTS of other candles, cheap polyrope, small tarps, LED keyring torches etc etc

It may not be the best kit going, but if its all you have at the time, it helps !!

Oh yeah, i know have four airhorns, the type that take the air can as well :p

Very good write up Dave :D

Have some rep :)

bushwacker bob
01-02-2007, 22:14
Brilliant.Basic bushcraft at its best and very well written.

jojo
01-02-2007, 22:31
http://www.backpacking.net/makegear.html

Also have a look here for making your own stuff, tents, tarps, shelters, cooking gear etc. its a mine of infos. :D

sam_acw
01-02-2007, 22:53
If you want to build your own kit - from pots and pans to snowshoes via chairs- then buy Wildwood Wisdom (http://www.shelterpub.com/_shelter/wildwood_book.html) by Ellsworth Jaeger. It has so many useful pieces of information and line drawings.

moko
02-02-2007, 00:32
Top thread starter Maddave, many thanks,I know its going to help out a lot of people new to the bushcraft. Dont forget your local deadmans shops,car boot sales and alike. A while ago someone posted a excellent thread about kit from charity shops. Sorry,but I cant remember who.

Also like the look of that book Sam.

Moko

PWork
02-02-2007, 08:02
Excellent post.

You don't have to pay a lot, to get a lot.

Garnett
04-04-2007, 10:14
Just thought I'd bump this excellent thread with a link to DavidS.'s thread about the Highlander Forces 55l (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/community/showthread.php?t=20301) which can now be got for under £30 too. This has the adjustable back system which looks like it might be slightly more comfortable than the fixed system on the Forces 44l

bear knights
04-04-2007, 10:51
cheers mad dave. not being one to make a decision that quick, finding a decent knife has been stalling my progress and I've been mulling over the opinel for a while and never committed even though it is relatively cheap. Finally put the order in today. 1 bit of kit down, only ten more to go.

Schwert
06-04-2007, 03:48
Good stuff....inexpensive stuff but not CHEAP stuff, excellent advice.

I could tell the fellow in the poncho is on a budget as he has got no pants, (well trousers for you fellows).

wizard
06-04-2007, 04:34
Great post! It is so true that you can enjoy bushcraft without all the super hightech gear and keep costs to a managable level. It is too bad I am such a gear nut and have no sensible oversight to my spending habits!
Since I semi-retired recently, I make 20% less and now have a 3 day weekend every week to enjoy life! So, that alone is making me spend less money on gear. Of course, I hate to admit it but I have so many things, I have to really search for new gear to buy. I need to lighten up on the load and the spending!
I remember when I was in the army, I had little besides what I was issued and I did just fine in the bush! I do recall a few occasions though when I wished I had a more comfortable pack or a better cooker or something!
Cheers!

sam_acw
06-04-2007, 10:41
I'm aware that this might be a case of "teaching your grandmother to suck eggs" but I thought it might be useful to some of those starting out.

To make a billy can or boiler you simply need a can, a length of wire, something pointy and sharp (I used the awl on my SAK) and something to bend the wire (depends on how thick it is)

Carefully drill 2 holes opposite each other and then bend the wire through the holes to make a bail.
Here are the before and after photos:
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n26/sam_acw/th_000_0166.jpg (http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n26/sam_acw/000_0166.jpg)
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n26/sam_acw/th_000_0167.jpg (http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n26/sam_acw/000_0167.jpg)
I recommend just sticking it all on the fire to burn off any gunk or unsavouriness and then boiling a first load of water as a test.

I even managed to find a handful of links for you all
Can Boilers in the American Civil War link (http://44tennessee.tripod.com/dutchman/article20500.html)
Waltzing Matilda - Billy Cans (http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A896628)
and from Leon's blog Birch tap and billy (http://leonsbushcraft.blogspot.com/2007/02/making-birch-tap-and-billy.html)

david1
06-04-2007, 11:46
in my youth I was a tree surgeon :-)

anyway on way to work we sometimes stopped in the greasy spoon cafe for breakfast.

Just ask them for a tin the beans come in its about a gallon in size. enough to make tea for 10 people over the fire. you then need a fraybentos steak pie tin for a lid. oh and eat the pie after cooking it in the embers.

because the tins were free we used to lose them sqaush them all the time dont think we ever wore one out.

billy tea best cup of tea you will ever have :-)


David

pataviking
06-04-2007, 12:35
nice article. and in your inexpensive pack remeber the duct tape. it will patch tarp, tent, clothing, shoes, taers/cut in your backpack. on the farm back in the day once in awhile a cow would step on a calf's leg and break it so I would fashion a splint from duct tape and strips of PVC sewer pipe and old T-shirt/ rag material to prevent blisters from the pipe strip braces and keep the tape from pulling off skin and hair. sometime you got to do what you got to do.
Pat

Zammo
11-05-2007, 12:53
Thanks to this thread I was able to suggest two backpacks (the Highlander ones) to a friend, who has to kit her son out for a camping trip for his school. Aparrently they told him that he must have at least more than a 50L pack and all his class mates were buying really expensive ones from specialist camping stores, his mum was on a budget so was helpful of the suggestions.

:You_Rock_

Zodiak
14-05-2007, 01:45
Nice thread, I am going to nick that and pass it onto my explorer scouts :You_Rock_

One thing I will be changing thorugh I am afraid is the advice about bottles, many people seem to advise against re-using old fizzy bottles due to the chemicals they give off, but you can get great 1ltr bottles from Wilkinson at £2 which are made of metal and have done me for two summers now.

They also do stainless food containers for 99p which are abit thin can be used as billies so long as you don't leave them.

Asda occasionaly do 100 tea lights for £1, which is stonking value :lmao:

sam_acw
26-08-2007, 10:04
I have to point out that you ought remember poundland!
I got 2 reflective blankets for £1
Catering supplies or baking things may make good food containers - e.g. stainless steel bowls.

John Fenna
26-08-2007, 10:22
Charity shops must not be ruled out!
I have 2 stainless steel billies made from S/S containers and steel knitting needles found in charity shops for less than £2 all up, and they even have lids. OK one of the billies has "Sugar" embossed on the side but that is just for making sweet tea and desert in.....
I often see boots in good nick going for pennies, waterproofs, fleeces, wool pullovers, blankets - loads of kit!
And you know that your money is going to make someones life richer, rather than making a rich man richer!
I spend more time in charity shops than outdoor shops.

John

SimonM
26-08-2007, 11:53
If you want to save money & weight on a simple meths stove make you own out of 3 empty coke cans and some aluminium tape. I recently bought a role of tape for £1 and it is long enough to make hundreds of stoves.

The stoves work on the same principle of the Trangia stoves and work quite well - I have made three now for use in school (Science teacher !)

Follow the link for detailed instructions:

http://www.pcthiker.com/pages/gear/pepsistove.shtml

big_swede
26-08-2007, 16:41
And you know that your money is going to make someones life richer, rather than making a rich man richer!


Ahh, good quote, will save that one in me good quotes file. Totally agree with the charity shop argument.

Thijzzz
29-08-2007, 12:33
Excellent thread!

My 2 cents

- Sharpening stones
The standard 2 sided dark grey/light grey sharpening stones from the €5-bins in the DIY shop are not very good. But the white/orange Skandia stone is just €1-2 more (, I'm Dutch) but much much better.

- Japanese water stones: can be bought cheaper at a "toko", a traditional Chinese or Indonesian shop. No idea if you have these in the UK.

- Scarf: in dumpstores you often can get the green version of the Arafat scarf. Depending on how many times you fold them, they can me mildly warming up to really insulating. Good value for € 5-10. Buy the biggest you can get.

- Carabine hooks are always handy. Attach lines to tarp, hang things on...other things, etc. Don't buy the expensive gadget ones from the outdoor shop, go to a toy or souvenir shop and buy the cheap keyring ones.

...mmmm, wanted to type something else but lost. Will type on later.

edit: Got it. Ask a steel worker/polisher to get you a scrap bit of rustfree sheet metal and have him polish it till shiny - presto, an unbreakable and unscratchable mirror. For pennies.

Thijs