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Brendan
22-01-2007, 16:26
I have received my Bison Laavu this morning and ran to the nearest woods to put up and scrutinize.
First I had to find a spot to put it, it's bigger than I am used to and wow what a tent.
Those members who have bought the 8 or 16 man good luck finding the right sized pitch in woodland that's all I can say the 4 was hard enough for me!

This thing is huge but is quite heavy, I never go car camping always backpack so I was looking at angles of saving some weight.
The pegs seemed pretty heavy but they do take a lot of strain and although you could not replace them with regular pegs you could fashion some from wood.
The center pole is well designed but again it weighs a fair bit, it is possible though to use a shaft of wood instead due to the apex having a good design.

It was raining when I put it up which was pretty straight forward, it was like a palace compared to the basha or hammock camping I've relied on in the past, it dwarfed the millets tepee I have been using recently.
The water was beading off pretty well and during the four hours I had it up I could not detect any ingress of water. The quality of workmanship also looks pretty good, amazing for the price really.

Here are a couple of pictures

Bison Laavu (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d107/brendan99/CIMG2452.jpg)
Apex (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d107/brendan99/CIMG2457.jpg)
Inner Doors (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d107/brendan99/CIMG2443.jpg)

The stove in the first photo is a modded fan assisted Kifaru medium wood burner with the 6man stove pipe if any one is interested and the dog is called Buzz.

I liked the door setup and the basic tie system works well, there are hanging points all the way around the inner which are a bonus.
I originally looked at Bison after I realized I had missed the group buy, but I am very pleased because I ordered one week ago and paid a total of 155 inc postage.
For that price this tepee cannot be beat IMHO, very pleased, plan on testing it for a week at the end of the month.

Mat
22-01-2007, 16:42
Hi Brendan,

Nice review and good piccies. Out of interest where did you order it from?

I've been saving up for an Tentipi Arran, but all this talk of the Bisons has got me thinking!

Thanks!

Mat

pibbleb
22-01-2007, 16:43
I like the idea of tepee camping and your review certainly hasn't put me off! Basha camping is my thing but when it comes to the family it's car camping all the way! :(

And for the money this could be an interesting alternative! I'm interested to know to what size it packs up to and whether you think it would be practical, what with the wood burner, for a family with two small kids, 4 and 7! Finally do you think you'll have any issues with condensation as it appears to be single skinned?

Cheers for the review!

p

Squidders
22-01-2007, 16:55
The 4 looks like a good size... I got the 16 just before the group buy came up and it's a rave tent! it will easily sleep 4 with large camp beds and motorbikes inside... I dare say there's room for some DJs and a few bouncers working the door too.

The single skin may well cause some condensation with the stove going... I have never had a wood burner in a tent before this and it's insanely warm! however, it's dead easy to raise the edges up a little to get a good draw of air in and up.

Very good indeed!

...but (and you're not going to want to hear this) I would say, second place to the tentipi.

Brendan
22-01-2007, 17:12
Hi Brendan,

Nice review and good piccies. Out of interest where did you order it from?

I've been saving up for an Tentipi Arran, but all this talk of the Bisons has got me thinking!

Thanks!

Mat
I ordered from Bison in Norway, gave them a call and my credit card number, one week later it arrives link http://www.bisontelt.no/

Brendan
22-01-2007, 17:16
I like the idea of tepee camping and your review certainly hasn't put me off! Basha camping is my thing but when it comes to the family it's car camping all the way! :(

And for the money this could be an interesting alternative! I'm interested to know to what size it packs up to and whether you think it would be practical, what with the wood burner, for a family with two small kids, 4 and 7! Finally do you think you'll have any issues with condensation as it appears to be single skinned?

Cheers for the review!

p
The stoves get very very hot so I don't know if I would risk it with young children, it's bad enough with one mad lab.

Brendan
22-01-2007, 17:18
The 4 looks like a good size... I got the 16 just before the group buy came up and it's a rave tent! it will easily sleep 4 with large camp beds and motorbikes inside... I dare say there's room for some DJs and a few bouncers working the door too.

The single skin may well cause some condensation with the stove going... I have never had a wood burner in a tent before this and it's insanely warm! however, it's dead easy to raise the edges up a little to get a good draw of air in and up.

Very good indeed!

...but (and you're not going to want to hear this) I would say, second place to the tentipi.
Point taken and I was saving for a tentipi myself after seeing one at a show but for the money the Bison is well worth it I think.

ggfh666
22-01-2007, 17:19
I've got an 8 on its way.
I was wondering about the window.
The cover seems to be on the inside and that makes me wonder... if it rains where does the water go?

Brendan
22-01-2007, 17:24
The window is plastic and seam sealed into the main fabric, the blind has two velco tabs at either corner and is not the bit that keeps the water out. Here is a pic of the window (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d107/brendan99/CIMG2450.jpg)

rik_uk3
22-01-2007, 17:33
Fantastic Brendan, can I asked where you bought it from ?

Squidders
22-01-2007, 17:38
Point taken and I was saving for a tentipi myself after seeing one at a show but for the money the Bison is well worth it I think.

Oh, it is worth it!!! that's why I got one ;)

I wasn't in any way putting it down as i'm very happy with mine... I'm a little bit green of bambodoggy and his tentipi though :o painfully nice and well made.

Brendan
22-01-2007, 17:41
http://www.bisontelt.no/ as mentioned on an earlier reply. :)

Brendan
22-01-2007, 17:45
Oh, it is worth it!!! that's why I got one ;)

I wasn't in any way putting it down as i'm very happy with mine... I'm a little bit green of bambodoggy and his tentipi though :o painfully nice and well made.
I totally agree the Varrie blew me away for quality and features but I can't justify spending almost 1000 at the moment on a tepee, 155 I can. :)

CLEM
22-01-2007, 17:55
150 now that is a bargain,a huge bargain. :) Do they make an inner tent for them or are they only single skin???

Brendan
22-01-2007, 18:05
150 now that is a bargain,a huge bargain. :) Do they make an inner tent for them or are they only single skin???
They don't make inners at the moment but they do a poly cotton version which is stronger and more breathable but heavier.

Thorfinn
22-01-2007, 20:56
Hay this thread caught my attention.

I've ben saving for a tentipi Vagge, but this bison tent sounds good, I can't seem to get to the link you have.

Do they do groundsheets, and do they do stoves too?

I would like to know what the sizes would be for the tent in it's transport state

Brendan
22-01-2007, 21:18
Hay this thread caught my attention.

I've ben saving for a tentipi Vagge, but this bison tent sounds good, I can't seem to get to the link you have.

Do they do groundsheets, and do they do stoves too?

I would like to know what the sizes would be for the tent in it's transport state
Their page is down at the moment, but they do ground sheets and stoves.
The tent without ground sheet is about 6kg the other dimensions I can't remember but are on their site, when it's up!

Brendan
22-01-2007, 21:23
Hay this thread caught my attention.

I've ben saving for a tentipi Vagge, but this bison tent sounds good, I can't seem to get to the link you have.

Do they do groundsheets, and do they do stoves too?

I would like to know what the sizes would be for the tent in it's transport state
Try this link http://www.bisontelt.no/visinnhold.asp?kat=47&sub=170&nkat=LAVVO%20OG%20TELT&nsub=Priser

jamesoconnor
22-01-2007, 21:25
Heres some info on the group buy going on at the moment with these tents...

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/community/showthread.php?t=16528&page=1&pp=50

and some review on the tundra 4, the poly cotton version ( what Ive ordered along with the stove, can't wait :D )
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/community/showthread.php?t=18081&highlight=tundra

James

w00dsmoke
23-01-2007, 00:42
I bought the tide 8

The review is here

http://www.songofthepaddle.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=2544

It's an awesome tent! I'd encourage everyone to own one! Mine packs to the size of two large sleeping bags.

Woodsmoke

CLEM
23-01-2007, 17:31
I am absolutely positively NOT going to miss out buying one of these if there is a second group buy some time.They look great kit,even the smaller versions look pretty damn big to me.











Well if I am not broke at the time that is :o

Mat
23-01-2007, 20:23
I've read this post several times now, and each time I re-read it I get more and more determined to buy one - jeez I've spent a lot of money since joining this site!

Sorry Brendan, one last question from me - Does the tent come prepared to take a stove chimney or does it need modding?

Thanks mate,

Mat

Thorfinn
23-01-2007, 20:54
Guys, the link you have is all in norwegien surprisingly. So i can't understand.

I really want to get one. I've been saving for a tentipi and if i get one of these i can also get the bison bushcraft pack.

Is there gonna be another group buy?

Squidders
23-01-2007, 21:51
the top of the tipi goes together in such a way as to allow the chimney to exit without modification.

JonnyP
23-01-2007, 22:44
Guys, the link you have is all in norwegien surprisingly. So i can't understand.

I really want to get one. I've been saving for a tentipi and if i get one of these i can also get the bison bushcraft pack.

Is there gonna be another group buy?
They all had to learn Norweigen before they were allowed to buy one.... :D
Check this link for some more details...
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/community/showthread.php?t=18081&highlight=bison

Brendan
23-01-2007, 23:21
I may be mistaken but I don't think I paid anymore for mine than the guys did on the group buy.
I was not stung for import duty so that is probably the main factor but also I had mine only after one week from ordering, the group buy guys have been waiting since before Christmas.
That was probably due to stock levels at Bison and organizing finances for a pallet load of the things.

Another note to stop any confusion is that my stove in the picture is not a Bison stove which is only really car transportable it is a collapsible kifaru which weighs in at a smidgen over 2 kg including stove pipe.

MagiKelly
24-01-2007, 00:25
I was not stung for import duty

Hold onto that thought. If your Tipi was delivered by Fedex then you will get your Duty and VAT bill any time in the next month to 4 months. The group buy hammocks are delivered by Fedex and they always wait till you think you have gotten away with it before springing the bill on you :rolleyes:

baggins
24-01-2007, 19:02
Not to worry. mine was delivered (or rather, collected), from parcelforce. There was no duty to pay on it, so i guess i'm clear, i heard that they pay any duty due and you have to pay it back before you can get your parcel.
By the way, it's interesting to note the difference in the poles between the tinde and tundra (the nylon and polycotton ones). Yours look likes it all packs down in itself, whereas mine is just 4 long sections of the same diameter, held together with shockcord.. I guess the tinde is more for backpacking so the design saves a bit of space.
Great tents though.
Baggins

Brendan
24-01-2007, 22:47
Not to worry. mine was delivered (or rather, collected), from parcelforce. There was no duty to pay on it, so i guess i'm clear, i heard that they pay any duty due and you have to pay it back before you can get your parcel.
By the way, it's interesting to note the difference in the poles between the tinde and tundra (the nylon and polycotton ones). Yours look likes it all packs down in itself, whereas mine is just 4 long sections of the same diameter, held together with shockcord.. I guess the tinde is more for backpacking so the design saves a bit of space.
Great tents though.
Baggins
Yeah, mine wasn't delivered by fedex so I'm not too worried about the tax issue.
I hadn't realised the poles were different between the two styles, strange really.

kiltedpict
26-02-2007, 18:10
Hi folks.

Newbie to the site but have been reading the posts and threads re: Tipi style shelters.

Was planning on geting a Golite Hex 3 for year round solo / (2 max) use in Scotland, the appeal being low weight for backpacking / pannier carrying, the 4 season rating, as well the space associated with these styles of shelter.

However, discovering this site has truly thrown a spanner in the works! I now know of the Tundra and Tinde models and just cannot decide!

Ideally I would get both the Golite Hex for longer distances AND the Tundra 4 for full on winter car camping (the stove/fire box has a great appeal!) However, the drawback is I have a small-ish flat, and so drying the Tundra would be very difficult and on top of that, even I would struggle to justify owning 3 tents (current one is a golite Den 2)

This leads to the Tinde 4- An ideal compromise perhaps.

However, I am a little concerned that the weight would limit the usefullness of the Tinde (4kg is not that bad, but wouldnt want to take it on a 4 day walk through the Lairig Ghru!, the golite WITH nest is around half that).

What I am looking for I guess is some insight / experience into the Tinde 4 in use in Scottish conditions- particuarly during Midge season- would the midge netting in the door be enough for example?

Many thanks in advance for your thoughts and advice.

KP

ps- great site by the way!

spamel
26-02-2007, 18:39
If you do go for the Hex 3, don't buy the nest but get the mozzie net from IKEA, it goes over a bed and with some minor modifications, basically sewing on some buttons, it fits in perfectly and only costs a fiver!

w00dsmoke
26-02-2007, 18:43
I've got a Tinde 8

I used it last week in Glen Etive


http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h274/badgergrod/20feb07etive012.jpg

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h274/badgergrod/20feb07etive011.jpg


It rained quite heavy during the night and it did really well. Mine is double the size of tinde 4 and with hindsight into the size of these tents I really should have went for the 4. The 8 will easily sleep 10 people! The midge net door should keep out the midges ok however, please do remember midges hatch from damp wet ground and they may hatch from under you if you have the tinde set up so I would reccomend that you use a ground sheet or pitch it with careful planning.

You will need to midge proof the hat area at the top too with a midge net draped over to stop them coming in there.

Hope this helps

Woodsmoke

kiltedpict
26-02-2007, 19:01
Cheers guys.

Spamel- already seen your mossie net idea and am well impressed! worth trying before forking out for the inner.

Woodsmoke- the pics are awesome- it looks very impressive.

I think I will go with the hex 3 just now.... and then get a Tinde 4 for next winter!! At the end of the day, I guess a nice selection of tents allows for considerable flexibility!

kp

billycan
26-02-2007, 21:24
Brendan, did you order your Kifaru stove direct from Colorado? I have been making a stove, the box is finished, lid, adjustable air vents etc however i have come a bit stuck with the chimney, and really like the Kifaru chimney design. can you buy them separately?

Matt Weir
27-02-2007, 08:41
Guys, the link you have is all in norwegien surprisingly. So i can't understand.

I really want to get one. I've been saving for a tentipi and if i get one of these i can also get the bison bushcraft pack.

Is there gonna be another group buy?

Thorfinn,

There is a bitish flag in the top right hand corner. Just click that and you get and English version of the site mate.

http://www.bisontelt.no/eng/default.asp

Hope that helps,

Matt.

Solitude
16-07-2007, 11:08
Hi Chaps

Word of warning just becarefull when buying from Bison direct as you will have to pay 12% Customs duty (as the lavvus are made in china originally) and VAT at 17.5% on top of what your paying them.

So to buy at £155 would mean you will have a knock at the door for £27.12 VAT and £18.60 Customs duty a total of £45.72 + £155 = Your £155 Tinde will end up costing £200.72

Customs will catch up with you:deal: . Far better to buy from a UK supplier and preferably one who doesnt charge VAT i see there is a UK supplier selling a tinde 4 for £155 No Vat No Delivery charge. Cant be anymore specific , you will have to find em.

Do a UK google search for 'Tinde Tundra', there are a couple of UK suppliers and you wont get stung later on by Mr Customs man!!

Brendan
16-07-2007, 22:53
Brendan, did you order your Kifaru stove direct from Colorado? I have been making a stove, the box is finished, lid, adjustable air vents etc however i have come a bit stuck with the chimney, and really like the Kifaru chimney design. can you buy them separately?

Sorry billycan missed this post until it raised it's head again:)

I did order from Colorado and you will have to (if you haven't already)contact them for a price for just a stove pipe as they only have the whole stove listed on their site, or join their forum and ask on there.

Cheers