Small Portable Firebox/Stove [Archive] - BushcraftUK: Community Forum

Beech Nut

15-12-2006, 13:23

Folks

I have been working with some friends of mine to develop a small flat pack firebox/stove. We are just about there, in fact a prototype was taken to the December Bush moot by andyn and some of you may have seen it. A couple of suggestions on improvements were made and we have now put these on the latest model. Below are some pics of the item before the updates. basically the latest version is slightly wider to accommodate a 12cm billy can and has more air holes along the sides to allow larger pieces of wood to burn easier.

They are all Stainless steel and VERY well made. You can choose to have the top plate on, with or without a chimney, or remove the plate and attach the rack (great for toast). This is just to suss out who would be interested in one of these, as I think they would make a very useful item in your kit. I am making no profit on these and if I can get 20 of you together can get them at £40+postage each.

Feel free to ask questions.

Jon
http://www.woodlandedge.co.uk/images/firebox4.jpg
http://www.woodlandedge.co.uk/images/firebox5.jpg
http://www.woodlandedge.co.uk/images/firebox2s.jpg http://www.woodlandedge.co.uk/images/firebox3s.jpg
http://www.woodlandedge.co.uk/images/firebox4s.jpg http://www.woodlandedge.co.uk/images/firebox5s.jpg

TheGreenMan

15-12-2006, 13:36

Hello Beech Nut,

A very nice design. How much do these weigh? I'm very interested if they're not too heavy, Jon.

Thanks.

Best regards,
Paul.

Justin Time

15-12-2006, 13:46

count me in please

Hiker

15-12-2006, 14:37

They look great mate , i also would be interested to know how much they weigh

Beech Nut

15-12-2006, 14:47

Folks

Just put one on the scales. They are 1.7kg all in.

jon

scoops_uk

15-12-2006, 14:50

Do I get commission?

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14511

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15468

That's identical (bar a detail or two) to my posted design back in August. What did you do tweak my CAD file and send it to a cutting firm. :(

Not at all impressed.

Scoops

Moff8

15-12-2006, 14:54

I would be interested.

andyn

15-12-2006, 15:03

As stated, I had the chance to have a play with this at the winter moot, and after a minute or two remembering which bit went where and adding some wood I had a nice hot stove at hand. the chimney works really well and once fitted and heated up a bit starts pulling in lots of air to get some serious heat in the stove. Those around thought that an extra couple of air holes could have been benifical and this was one of the suggestions that went back (and acted upon from what i understand).

I then popped my 12cm billy on top and came to the quick conclusion...well 15 mins later, that because the billy was a fraction wider than the stove it sat up on the edges and didnt make contact with the top plate. so the temperature of the water stayed relatively low. Jon Pickett lent me his 10cm billy which fitted fine and as soon as the water was poured in, it started hissing and was soon to the boil. This was the second observation, as the 10cm billy isn't that versile so we suggested that the stove was widened to accomodate a 12cm billy (again a change i believe has now been made).

Overall it was excellent quality of construction and with the cnages that have now been made i think this is a very versitile and long lasting stove.

My only other bit of critism is on its weight,I would guestimate that they weighed about 2kg, but its a weigh off (no pun intended) with quality of materials, and its one that i'd be happy to live with.

P.S not envolved with the company, just asked if i'd like to try it out.

loz.

15-12-2006, 15:28

andyn

15-12-2006, 15:41

Do I get commission?

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/community/showthread.php?t=14511

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/community/showthread.php?t=15468

That's identical (bar a detail or two) to my posted design back in August. What did you do tweak my CAD file and send it to a cutting firm. :(

Not at all impressed.

Scoops

LOL...of course mate, you can have as much as Beech nut is getting...none. :rolleyes:

Don't fret so much matey. From what I can see this isn't about a designer making money its about making a good design of woodstove available to the members of BCUK who havent the time/tools/materials to make there own. As Loz says, the basic design is available freely elsewhere.

scoops_uk

15-12-2006, 15:41

Which is why I made my design freely available to everyone, as Nimblewill did, and credited my inspiration by calling my stove "The Modified Nimblewill" and referring to the original in my posts.

As against:

"I have been working with some friends of mine to develop a small flat pack firebox/stove."

Which gives no credit to anyone other than themselves.

Scoops

scoops_uk

15-12-2006, 15:57

[QUOTE=andyn]LOL...of course mate, you can have as much as Beech nut is getting...none. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE]

I'm quite happy with none, as I said to Loz I was the first to admit when I was basing my stuff on someone else's ideas. I did everything I could to make my design freely available to anyone who wanted a go. I even made the CAD file available for people to modify.

I'm also entirely happy for someone to sell the stoves here for non-profit.

But, I think claiming something as your own when it's obviously based on Nimblewill's original or on my own alterations is a poor show.

Do I feel like sharing my future progress? Is it in the interests of sustaining this great online community?

Make up your own mind.

Scoops

P.S. I've said my piece now, unless I'm asked a direct question I won't be saying any more.

bothyman

15-12-2006, 16:29

Don't forget this one ;)

>> http://www.canoepaddler.me.uk/fireboxes.htm

MickT

Marts

15-12-2006, 16:34

Was chatting to Andy about this at the moot. Glad to hear the modifications have been made.

Count me in. :)

Buckshot

15-12-2006, 17:20

I could be interested in this as well

Bushwacker

15-12-2006, 17:31

very similar to the nomad firebox I got from C,Randall @ SOTP. and they work very nicely thank you. Make a small spacer for a trangier to sit on and it`s even more versatile.

Bisamratte

15-12-2006, 17:32

I think I'm interested too :)

scoops_uk

15-12-2006, 17:45

Non commercial?

http://www.woodlandedge.co.uk/

Beech Nut

15-12-2006, 18:00

Scoops

I have Pm'd you ref your concerns on design. Woodlandedge are the people who make the stove and I am not part of the company. They basically said if I can get 20 people to gether they will sell the stove for £40.00 I am not part of woodlandedge and getting no money out of this. It is in my opinion no different to any other group buy set up on this forum.

Regards

jon

Beech Nut

15-12-2006, 18:31

I think I had better post ref the design. My original post was hastly put together and as such I did not spend a lot of time on the subject of design. When the idea of creating a Stove was put to me, a lot of different stoves were looked at. This included Scoops stove. Over a period of 3 months various designs were created and the best bits of each incorporated in this final version. I am more than happy to acknowledge that scoops design was one of the best we looked at and his version of this stove inspired the method of attaching the plates together, although adjustments were made to improve this even further.
I would like to apologies to scoops and any other person who can see aspects of their design in this stove, it was not my intention to miss this out, but my lack of time spent on the original post making sure I covered this subject.

This designed is significantly different from any other stove and as such the creators of this version are perfectly within their rights to produce this stove on a commercial basis.
Good design is good design (eg. woodlore knife) and if it works people will create their own version of it. I do however regret not mentioning Scoops design on my original post especially as he is a valued member of this community.

My humble apologies scoops.

Regards

Jon

scoops_uk

15-12-2006, 18:47

Jon,

I was sending this in response to your PM, I hope you don't mind my posting it here instead...

Thank you for your comments, and first off I am pleased that we can have a reasonable discussion.

I am delighted that you liked my stove design and I am entirely happy for the stove to be made by others on a not for profit basis.

However, the stoves are clearly now being *marketed* on the Woodland Edge website as a commercial product.

Being "significantly different" is a matter of opinion and the UK Patent Office suggests that a design should "have individual character" and not "remind an informed person of an existing design". I do not believe that the woodland edge stove is sufficiently different to meet these criteria.

I have a clearly established and published prior claim to the intellectual property of this design. As does Mimblewill Nomad, who I duly credited, before me. You have conceded that you passed my design to Woodland Edge as a basis for their design. This should not have been done without my permission and without them being fully aware of the origins.

I believe their marketing of the product to be an infringement of my own (as we are in the UK and Nimblewill Nomad is not) design right, which provides an automatic 5 year protection and does not require registration.

However, bearing in mind the spirit of my original posting of my design on the forum I am happy to accept your apology.

This does still leave the problem of Woodland Edge and it is my intention to pursue the matter further as I now know this to be a commercial exercise on their part.

Regards,

Scoops_uk

Beech Nut

15-12-2006, 19:04

Scoops

i am getting the stove pulled from the site. last thing we want is a battle of design rights.
PM me your email address and I will get them to contact you if your happy.

Jon

andyn

15-12-2006, 19:11

Scoops, is not really any of my interest execpt i'd quiet like one of these stoves so would like to see the matter resolved. But can you link to which part of the UK patent office indicates what you are saying, as as far as i am aware a product design does not come under UK copyright laws but you would need a design patent. Just my two pence worth.

Like i said, im not trying to stir the issue but if anything would like to know how all budding designers can save themselves £60 by not filling for a patent.

scoops_uk

15-12-2006, 19:30

Hi Andy,

The Patent office link is here (http://www.patent.gov.uk/design/d-applying/d-should/d-should-designright/d-should-designright-get.htm).

Without predjudice to any discussions I might have with Woodland Edge, I am primarily interested in some credit being given where credit is due, not cashing in.

As such, I see no reason why this matter can't be resolved quickly and amicably.

Jon, I will PM you my email address. Assuming Woodland Edge, like yourself, are reasonable sorts, don't worry about pulling the stove just yet. I imagine we would all like to avoid any uneccessary dispute.

Regards,

Scoops

fred gordon

15-12-2006, 20:41

I would be interested. Just what I've been looking for to replace the one I have, especially now that it takes the 12cm billy. :)

mayfly

15-12-2006, 21:02

I'd very much like one of these if this goes ahead.
Chris

Beech Nut

15-12-2006, 21:06

Folks

Keep registering your interest. Issues between Woodland Edge and Scoops will be resolved soon.

Jon

Graham_S

15-12-2006, 21:21

i'd like one too if this goes ahead.

Gibbsy

15-12-2006, 21:52

I would like to register my interest please...

Neanderthal

15-12-2006, 21:59

I was inspired by scoops excellent stove and detailed instructions so had a go at creating something similar.
However lacking any materials, tools or particular skills I offer this as an alternative perspective. :)

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/data/511/firebox1.jpg

It is 'constructed' from tin cans from the recycle bin, cut with tin snips and hammered flat with a brick. I also drilled a few holes in it.

Seems to work OK though. :D

"It's not what you know, it's what you can make out of junk."

Stu

Tengu

15-12-2006, 22:03

Id like one too

Geoffrey_Bubbles

15-12-2006, 22:11

I too may well be interested in this.

How effective is it as a source of heat? Just wondered if it was too small for such a use.

That said it looks like a versatile piece of kit.

I'll keep an eye on what goes on here, but hope that any matters arising from this discussion can be settled in an amicable fashion.

Good work to all involved I say.

Geoff

Torak

16-12-2006, 01:13

Count me in. Cheers

scoops_uk

16-12-2006, 01:22

I was inspired by scoops excellent stove and detailed instructions so had a go at creating something similar.

Cheers Neanderthal. It's really good to see my efforts inspiring others to make their own kit :D

I'm interested to know how well the "can's" stand up to the heat?

I'd also like to thank everyone who has contacted me in support. I am pleased to report that discussions with Woodland Edge are positive and ongoing, I am hopeful we will soon reach an amicable agreement of benefit to everyone.

Scoops_uk

bilko

16-12-2006, 02:22

Hi Beech nut
I saw this briefly at the moot.
A few questions if i may. Will it come with any sort of stowage container to stop soot/dirt etc getting to the rest of your kit?
What exactly is the chimney for ?. Call me thick, i don't mind ;) but when i saw it; it seemed to let the wood burn better but at the expense of space on an already small top surface. Good to see it's wider as it wouldn't take a small bily iirc.
Might be just what i'm looking for, for the lavvu when i cna't take the wood burner so i'm interested. It would be even better if it came with a tin for flatpacking though.

Zammo

16-12-2006, 04:09

Good on you scoops Woodland Edge have blatently ripped off your design and are now trying to cash in on it. Next time make sure you copyright your idea.

Tony

16-12-2006, 10:10

My hat of to you guys, I’ve been watching this with a finger over the close thread button and I’ve been impressed that you guys have just got on with sorting it out rather than it going down in flames. I hope that things do work out amicably for all and that people take note and copy some great forum conduct.

Thanks :You_Rock_

scoops_uk

16-12-2006, 11:45

Thanks Tony,

I am still concerned that something like this is avoided in the future.

Would it be possible to have a sticky thread at the top of the DIY and traditional crafts thread that refers to something like a GNU Open licence or similar and makes clear that all designs posted are covered by it's terms?

Regards,

Scoops

andyn

16-12-2006, 12:49

Scoops thanks for the link mate, not quite sure it all works as simple as I would mean no one would ever need to apply for patents and that but i dont think that matters, so hey ho. Anyway hopefully you get every thing sorted to your satisfaction with woodland edge. :)

Hi Beech nut
I saw this briefly at the moot.
A few questions if i may. Will it come with any sort of stowage container to stop soot/dirt etc getting to the rest of your kit?
What exactly is the chimney for ?. Call me thick, i don't mind ;) but when i saw it; it seemed to let the wood burn better but at the expense of space on an already small top surface. Good to see it's wider as it wouldn't take a small bily iirc.
Might be just what i'm looking for, for the lavvu when i cna't take the wood burner so i'm interested. It would be even better if it came with a tin for flatpacking though.

The chimney acts in the same way that a house hold chimney will work. I'm not 100% sure of the science behind it myself. But basically from what i understand as it becomes hot it causes something called draft...this causes air to be sucked into it (I guess some kind of vacum is formed? :confused: ) which in turn causes the fire to burn hotter as the air is pulled across it, this heats the chimney up more and more draft is created sucking in even more air...and so it goes on. This is one of the reasons we suggested that some more air holes could have been advantagous as it would allow even more air to be drawn in.

Also from what Jon has been saying it will come with a bag to pack it into and won't be stored in a carrier bag like I had it in. LOL :rolleyes:

Silverback

16-12-2006, 13:03

I am definitely up for one when and if an agreement is amicably reached by all parties concerned :)

Beech Nut

16-12-2006, 13:11

Folks

Appoligies for the quick post I will answer questions fully on Monday. Hectic weekend for me. Just to say things are as good as sorted between scoops and woodland edge so the group buy is on. Will catch you all on Monday where I can acknowledge all the interest and give you more details.

Scoops: I trust all is well with you.

Jon

warthog1981

16-12-2006, 14:46

im intrested in one to please

Culicoidis

16-12-2006, 17:54

Put me on the list for one.

barry

16-12-2006, 18:27

hi there if this buy goes ahead i would be very interested in the fire box count me in thanks

pumbaa

16-12-2006, 19:18

Is there any likelyhood of getting one that would take a 14cm zebra ?
Pumbaa

demographic

16-12-2006, 20:21

Bardster

16-12-2006, 21:22

Cool stuff, count me in for one please :D

Huon

17-12-2006, 02:51

If things have been sorted out with Scoops you can count me in as well.

Cheers,

Huon

Stuart

17-12-2006, 11:07

Could we have an update on the situation?

Scoops are things resolved to your satisfaction, I would hate to see this go ahead if not.

I must say that I understand your dismay at having someone try to pass off your design as their own and make money from your hard work, especially when you have been so kind as to make the plans for your stove (http://www.skeels.net//bushcraftuk/nimblewill/Plans.pdf) freely available.

There is no end of people prepared to try and score a profit off someone else’s back, I hope you have either come to an amicable agreement with your imitators which takes account of your intellectual property and sees you rightly rewarded for it or taken legal action to prevent such underhanded profiteering

scoops_uk

17-12-2006, 14:03

Hi Guys,

I'm very pleased to report that Woodland Edge and I have reached an agreement.

Throughout the discussions we have had, they have demonstrated themselves to be people of integrity and I am entirely happy to accept this all as a misunderstanding. I do not believe there was any intent to be dishonest or to mislead on the part of Woodland Edge.

Our agreement is as follows:

1. The phrase: "Developed from the modified Nimblewill stove described on the Bushcraft UK forum" will feature on the Woodland Edge website and any advertising literature they produce relating to the firebox.

2. A donation will be made to the woodland trust for every firebox sold. This will be made at the end of each calendar year and details of the contribution will be posted on this forum.

3. As a goodwill gesture, Woodland Edge will be providing me with a firebox free of charge.

One lesson that I hope this dispute might demonstrate is that Bushcraft is about more than just lighting fires and sharpening knives. It is also very much about how you approach life and seeking to find solutions and move forwards. Woodland Edge could have dug their heels in and argued, I could have done likewise. Instead we both chose to work together and find a solution. Just my thought for the day :lmao:

A good cause close to all our hearts will benefit, Woodland Edge are decent guys and the stove is great. This group buy now has my full and unreserved support.

Thanks to everyone for their messages, it is greatly appreciated :D

Regards,

Scoops_uk

chrisanson

17-12-2006, 14:27

Looks like a good outcome all around !
Never really expected anything else from people on here.
Chris

Stuart

17-12-2006, 14:44

excellent :D

fast celt

17-12-2006, 15:50

Glad it all settled happily . Is the buy still on if so could i have one please? They look great and i really want one.

Neanderthal

17-12-2006, 18:02

Cheers Neanderthal. It's really good to see my efforts inspiring others to make their own kit :D

I'm interested to know how well the "can's" stand up to the heat?

I'd also like to thank everyone who has contacted me in support. I am pleased to report that discussions with Woodland Edge are positive and ongoing, I am hopeful we will soon reach an amicable agreement of benefit to everyone.

Scoops_uk
Scoops,

There has been a degree of warping after use but this doesn't seem to have any detrimental affects. The cans were not perfectly flat beforehand anyway. Now I know that it works made out of cans there is plenty of scope for mods. :)

The main disadvantage it the sharp metal, can't argue with the price though.

Neanderthal

spamel

17-12-2006, 19:46

So Scoops, does that mean the one you made is now surplus to requirements and looking for a new home?

;)

scoops_uk

17-12-2006, 19:49

:D

After the hours I spent filing it, it's on the mantlepiece!!

Scoops

Axe Catcher

17-12-2006, 20:33

I would be interested in a group buy for this also, Bardster and I were just talking about this at the winter moot, I wish I had seen it in action.

Thanks
AC

Beech Nut

17-12-2006, 21:04

Folks

This buy is now definately ON :) more details monday.
And yes it comes with a bag to keep the soot from ya gear.

Jon

fred gordon

17-12-2006, 21:04

I must say that I am very impressed with the way this has been resolved. It could have turned difficult and we could all have lost out. A triumph for common sense, honesty and a willingness to compromise. Congratulations to all concerned. Now I can look forward to my firebox! :)

scanker

17-12-2006, 21:33

I must say that I am very impressed with the way this has been resolved. ...

Me too. Rep to scoops for the donation to woodland trust too. Good man.

Buckshot

18-12-2006, 12:30

Beech Nut

18-12-2006, 12:35

Folks

Thought I'd better put a list up those who have registered interest.
As far as payment goes, you can either use paypal +3% or send cheque or a direct bank transfer. Either way PM me and I will send you details.

Postage looks to be £5.75 for parcelforce Stardard Parcels.

That makes is a total of £45.75 delivered.

So far we have the following people.
Justin Time **
Moff8 **
Andyn **
Marts **
Buckshot
Fred Gordon **
Mayfly **
Graham_S **
Tengu
Torak **
Silverback **
Wathog1981 **
Culicoidis **
Barry **
Bardster **
Huon **
Fast Celt **
Axe Catcher **
Glen **
PhillParry **
Big Bad Stu **

**= Paid

If I have missed people off let me know.
We have already reached the 20 people target, but keep putting your name up.

Thanks Andyn for answering some of the questions, If others have any please feel free to ask.

Jon

Glen

18-12-2006, 12:43

Back to the fire box then...
Has anyone thought of making the design completely flat on the top?
That way it wouldn't matter how big the pot was on top of it. Anyone with a 14cm billy is still going to have problems, even with the slightly wider model.

Just a thought...

If you look to the links Scoops posted earlier on the thread the version I helped him with should work with castellations only as high as the thickness of the stainless steel that's being used, which would give a flat top ;)

Oh now that things have been resolved so well between the parties I'll register my interest in partaking ina group buy of the Woodland Edge version. I don't have the tools or space to make one myself.

A small mod ( which I also mentioned on Scoops original threads ) which I'd probably make is a couple of L shaped slots on the sides of the front firedoors to enable easy lifting of them with twigs, or suchlike, when it's hot

Beech Nut

18-12-2006, 13:02

Glen

Great sugestion. I shall put that to the lads at WE. Youhave been added to the list.

Jon

scanker

18-12-2006, 13:04

Sorry for the confusion, I was just passing comment. Please remove me from the list. Thanks.

Beech Nut

18-12-2006, 13:09

No worries Scanker you have been removed.

jon

scoops_uk

18-12-2006, 13:21

A small mod ( which I also mentioned on Scoops original threads ) which I'd probably make is a couple of L shaped slots on the sides of the front firedoors to enable easy lifting of them with twigs, or suchlike, when it's hot

Someone, please, cut these flippin' slots! He's driving me mad :lmao:

Just pulling your leg Glen ;)

Scoops

Glen

18-12-2006, 13:59

Someone, please, cut these flippin' slots! He's driving me mad :lmao:

Just pulling your leg Glen ;)

Scoops

My legs can take that but I have such sensitive and delicate fingers ;)

Beech Nut

18-12-2006, 17:18

Well I have been chatting to the guys at Woodland Edge. As this is prooving popular, the idea is to be able to start manufacturing your orders in the 2nd week of Jan 2007 so you could all have them by then end of Jan.

I Instead of limiting to twenty I will leave it open until 5th Jan. And then those who have paid will be put through fro the first batch of stove's.

Hope that all makes sense.

Jon

fast celt

18-12-2006, 17:45

sent you a pm Beech Nut

demographic

18-12-2006, 18:27

So what company did the CAD cutting?

I have no interest whatsoever in copying this stove by the way.

fred gordon

18-12-2006, 18:44

Sent a PM Beech Nut with details :)

Beech Nut

18-12-2006, 18:53

Demographic

Pm Me matey.

Jon

warthog1981

18-12-2006, 20:18

so could some one just check my maths £47.12 if paying by paypal ???

Stew

18-12-2006, 20:27

Jon - you may have mentioned this earlier but what's the non-group buy price?

Beech Nut

18-12-2006, 21:44

Stew

They will be retailing between £50-£55 + £7 pp

Regards

Jon

Bisamratte

18-12-2006, 21:49

Beech Nut can you remove me from the list, I cant really afford it at the moment so I'm thinking of making one out of copper sheet and see how it goes.

Beech Nut

18-12-2006, 21:53

Sure thing Bisamratte, you have been removed.

jon

Gibbsy

18-12-2006, 23:12

so could some one just check my maths £47.12 if paying by paypal ???

Thats what i make it as well.

PhilParry

19-12-2006, 10:53

Beech,

Can you put me on the list please?

When do you need payment?

Great to read this thread and realise we're all grown up's around here!

It's a great testimony to the spirit of bushcraft, I personally believe!

Thanks,

Phil

Beech Nut

19-12-2006, 12:22

Phil

Thanks your on the lilst. PM me and i will send payment details.
Asap on the funds.

Jon

Beech Nut

19-12-2006, 12:27

Glen

i have put your sugestion to the Woodland Edge boys and they will add some means of lifting the plates off with some little sticks :)

You can sleep soundly now

Jon

warthog1981

19-12-2006, 14:40

Thats what i make it as well.

thanks :)

Beech Nut

19-12-2006, 15:08

Folks

If paying via paypal, can you put your screen names in the notes so I know who is who.

Cheers

jon

Silverback

19-12-2006, 15:16

Thanks Jon paypal payment sent :)

Big Bad Stu

21-12-2006, 10:48

Can you put me down for one please.

Please PM me with details of where to send the cheque etc.

Thanks for your efforts, it was good to see the dispute sorted out so well. And hats off to Scoops for the deal with WE to make donations for each unit sold!

Stewey.

Beech Nut

21-12-2006, 12:19

Stewey

Pm Sent

jon

Moff8

28-12-2006, 09:52

Tried to send a PM but you are over quota :)

can you send me the details too please.

Marts

28-12-2006, 09:58

Cheque sent the other day and I totally forgot to put my user name on it :o - cheque name was M* Wills

WhichDoctor

28-12-2006, 13:48

This is a brilliant testament to the grownup and civilized attitude of the BCUK members :You_Rock_ . Alas I don't do enough to justify buying one of the stoves :( (they do look grate), but I mite have a go at botching something together out of some tin cans (thanks for the idea Neanderthal) I love knocking stuff up out of rubbish :D .

Beech Nut

28-12-2006, 23:09

Sorry guys mailbox emptied.

Jon

fast celt

31-12-2006, 21:10

just wondering how thing are progressing
It's been very quiet :)

Beech Nut

31-12-2006, 21:33

Anyone would have thought it was Christmas week ;)

Cheques and money coming in. Those who haven't paid get those cheques in to me.
PM for details.

Paypal to info@bushcrafters.com (include your screen name in the notes)

Will do a full update on Tuesday with who is still to pay and see if we can get this all sorted asap.

Not far off placing the order now :)

Jon

Tengu

31-12-2006, 22:31

Ill pay as soon as I can but Im topping up my Paypal account...

How long have I got?

Beech Nut

01-01-2007, 09:47

Where about half way there on people paying. I know some cheques are on there way. would be nice to get all money in, but the 7th of Jan.

Jon

arian

01-01-2007, 21:45

2. A donation will be made to the woodland trust for every firebox sold. This will be made at the end of each calendar year and details of the contribution will be posted on this forum.

Can you give a pointer to where these details have been posted?

Regards
arian

Neanderthal

01-01-2007, 22:29

Alas I don't do enough to justify buying one of the stoves :( (they do look grate), but I mite have a go at botching something together out of some tin cans (thanks for the idea Neanderthal) I love knocking stuff up out of rubbish :D .

I've made a few mods to mine and posted a few more pictures in my gallery.
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1766&cat=500&ppuser=1222
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1767&cat=500&ppuser=1222
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1768&cat=500&ppuser=1222

The big pot is a Coffee can from TK Maxx for about £3 and holds approx 2 litres. The stove is supprisingly solid in use. Also made some bannock the other day on the chicken wire over the embers. Worked fine. :D

I think I may use this stove much more than I originally thought, it only weighs about 150grams too.

Stu

Marts

02-01-2007, 09:51

Can you give a pointer to where these details have been posted?

Regards
arian

As this has just begun to be manufactured and marketed I'd guess there won't be any details for a while yet. I'd expect the first will be end of 2007, but you could always contact the manufacturers direct and ask.

Beech Nut

02-01-2007, 13:07

Happy new year everyone. Here is an update for you all.

Over half of you have sent in money now. Keep a track on the list of names and see if a ** has appeared next to your name. This will indicate I have recieved your paypal payment or Cheque.

If you sent me a cheque before christmas and your name does not have a ** against it, can you PM me. I have had a least one item I expected from royal mail not gete to me and want to make sure all cheques sent before christmas have got to me... ( MR M P WILLS make yourself known to me).

If you could let me know your screen names with cheques as well as Paypal so I know who is who, and done forget your address as well.

Get the money in folks. Paypal to Info@bushcrafters.com (+3%) or PM me for my address to send cheques to.

Jon

Marts

02-01-2007, 13:43

( MR M P WILLS make yourself known to me).

Jon

See post #89
:o :)

BorderReiver

02-01-2007, 14:12

Nice one Scoops.Handled like a real gentleman. :D

Beech Nut

02-01-2007, 14:12

Cheers dude. Forgot that :D

Moff8

03-01-2007, 11:37

Paypal sent - sorry for the delay, I was inebraited over the new year.

Gibbsy

03-01-2007, 23:09

I am gonna have to pass on this one sorry for any hassle.

fast celt

04-01-2007, 01:31

I know you said it will take a 12cm billy but could it take a14cm kettle its just I've got a chance of getting one :You_Rock_

Beech Nut

04-01-2007, 10:02

Celt, the only issue with the 14cm is that it would not sit on the top plate, nad therfore with that in place would not really be able to reach boiling point. If you used it without the top plate, but with the grill on the flames of course could come through the grill and that should work.

Hope that makes sense.

jon

Beech Nut

04-01-2007, 10:03

Gibbsy

no worries matey, I have taken you off the list.

Jon

Beech Nut

04-01-2007, 10:10

Ok Only need payment from the following people to be able to place the order:

Justin Time
Buckshot
Graham_S
Tengu

Come on guys you know you want to :-)

Jon

fred gordon

04-01-2007, 13:07

Ok Only need payment from the following people to be able to place the order:

Justin Time
Buckshot
Graham_S
Tengu

Come on guys you know you want to :-)

Jon
Yes, Come on guys. The rest of us also want you too :lmao:

Justin Time

04-01-2007, 14:18

Done, paid, money sent, hurrah!

Graham_S

04-01-2007, 15:25

totally forgot, paid now.
I'm in the midddle of moving house/changing jobs/having flu, so it kind of slipped my mind.

Beech Nut

04-01-2007, 20:42

Ok only Tengu and buckshot to go. I will get the order placed tomorrow and give you all an idea of delivery date.

jon

fast celt

05-01-2007, 13:03

Its tommorw, allready been out gathering and chopping wood. So i have lots of dry wood to fuel for my new stove when it comes :red: :red: :red: :red: :red: :red:
I'm just can't wait to try it out (I'm like a kid at christmas eve) :)
Thanks agian Beech Nut for organizing the buy :You_Rock_ :You_Rock_

Beech Nut

05-01-2007, 17:33

Update for ya all.
I have placed the order with Woodland Edge today. Manufacture will begin next week and should start shipping them out to you all in week beginning 22nd Jan.

Not long now.

Jon

mayfly

05-01-2007, 17:55

Nice one Beech Nut. Thanks for doing this :D

fred gordon

05-01-2007, 18:59

Update for ya all.
I have placed the order with Woodland Edge today. Manufacture will begin next week and should start shipping them out to you all in week beginning 22nd Jan.

Not long now.

Jon
Great news. I've given a rep but it does seem inadequate. Look forward to receiving the stove. :)

Moff8

18-01-2007, 09:33

Roll on Monday :) :You_Rock_

fast celt

18-01-2007, 10:24

I just got a 6 foot by 8 inch ash log for firewood should be enough to test it in the back yard :D
thanks agian Beech Nut :You_Rock_ :You_Rock_

Graham_S

22-01-2007, 20:44

i only hope mine arrives before i disappear to the south atlantic for six weeks.

Beech Nut

22-01-2007, 20:50

Hi Folks. The guys at woodland edge are hoping to despatch later this week, though this is not confirmed yet. Graham, when are you off?

Jon

Graham_S

22-01-2007, 22:27

wednesday, although someone will be in the flat while i'm away

fred gordon

22-01-2007, 22:39

Hi Folks. The guys at woodland edge are hoping to despatch later this week, though this is not confirmed yet. Graham, when are you off?

Jon
Great news. I can't wait :red:

fast celt

24-01-2007, 18:49

Looking forward to trying stove out :D :)
But with this weather my stock of wood starting to get damp :rolleyes:

Beech Nut

24-01-2007, 22:46

Folks

All the Stoves are now in and being packed. They will be collected tomorrow by royal mail and despatch on a Parcelforce 24hour server so all ging well you should have them on Friday.

A PM confirming receipt would be helpful. I hope you enjoy your new stoves, and any reviews comments you want to post feel free.

Jon

fast celt

24-01-2007, 23:00

THANKS YOU ROCK :D :You_Rock_ :D

Beech Nut

25-01-2007, 17:22

Folks

Stoves were all despatched today on 24hours Parcel force. So you they will be delivered tomorrow. :-)

Jon

Silverback

25-01-2007, 18:14

Woohoo new toys to play with in time for the weekend - ave some rep Mr. B. Nut :D

JasonK

25-01-2007, 18:22

Hello,

I am new to the forum, so hope it's not too late to join in this group buy.

If I am in time, then please put me down for one.

Thanks,
Jason

Beech Nut

25-01-2007, 19:49

Jason

unfortunately missed out on this one. The Stoves are available from woodland Edge Here (http://www.woodlandedge.com) but at the full price.

If I get some interest I am happy to arrange another should W.E. be prepared to supply again.

Jon

Beech Nut

25-01-2007, 19:51

ggfh666

25-01-2007, 19:52

I think you're too late.
But seen the sucess maybe there will be another GB.

I'm interested if P&P to Belgium is reasonable.

andyn

25-01-2007, 20:34

Got my stove this evening :nana: Me first! Me first :nana:

First impressions are...Great! All the modifications that we thought at the winter moot were needed have been made and the bag it comes in is well nifty!

Am out away this weekend so will be able to give it a good testing in the cold.

Thanks a million for organising and sorting though this one Jon. :You_Rock_

fast celt

25-01-2007, 20:38

Beech Nut you missed your calling you should be making instructional videos for such things as TV recorders and microwaves. Great instructions and very well done, clear and precise.
Again :You_Rock_ :D

dean2

25-01-2007, 22:46

Just fishing, but will you be making anymore of these? would quite like one! :D

Dean

Silverback

26-01-2007, 09:13

Folks

As the Stove has no instructions on putting it together, I thought I would post a VERY DODGY video of how to assemble it. However its pretty easy and I am sure creative people like yourself will be able to work it out.

Fo those who cant or want to laugh at my dodgy camera work and narration click here (http://www.sardinemedia.com/stove/stove.mov) . THis is a quicktime file and about 6.5 meg

JonI have just watched the video and there is nothing dodgy about it mate - have converted it to wmv and transferred it to my pda for reference when the little fella arrives :) Nice touch and if I were you I would approach Woodland Edge with a view to getting it on their website along with the product info for the stove - it not only explains clearly how to put the stove together but gives an excellent idea of the size for potential purchasers.

ggfh666

26-01-2007, 12:22

Well done on the video. You could do this for a living:)

Can you make on on the use of the firebox as well?
Thinking about wood size, filling up, lighting, adding wood, smoke control, cooking something,...?

Just an idea.

fast celt

26-01-2007, 14:00

Mine arrived first thing this morning :) , out of the box and together just like the video. About 11.00 I went out and lit the stove pilled it up with wood with out the top on and left it to burn down for a while. Once it had burned down enough to put the top and chimney on I put a half full 12cm zebra Billy can to boil. It seem to take ages but when I looked at my watch 12min had passed and I had a rolling boil and a nice cup of coffee. The wood had burnt down to embers and coals so I slid the top off wearing leather work gloves so has not to get burned, and put the grill on then a couple of Larne sausage (square flat ones) for about 8min turning now and again and made a sausage butty. I then left the stove to burn down, let it cool then packed it away. Seems Ok so far, I’m well pleased with this buy. :D
Thanks again Beech Nut :You_Rock_

Beech Nut

26-01-2007, 16:25

All those who missed out and are interested in another group buy. PM me.
If there is quite a few of you i will Put it to Woodland edge that we do another.

Jon

Big Bad Stu

26-01-2007, 17:03

Just got home to find my stove delivered. I hurredly unpacked and assembled it. I am so happy with it, just got to try and find time to test it now.

Thanks Beech Nut :You_Rock_

Stewey :red:

Marts

26-01-2007, 18:08

Mine turned up at work - only addressed to my company not me. Fortunately the post room guessed who it must belong to when they opened it.
I think I have a bit of a reputation at work :rolleyes:

Cheers Beech Nut for organising this (And Andyn for field testing and tempting me to get one!)

fred gordon

26-01-2007, 18:20

Well, I feel left out :( Despite being sent by 24 hour post mine has still to arrive. I wonder if we can clain off Parcel Force for failed service delivery. :rolleyes:

Beech Nut

26-01-2007, 18:23

Fred

I will get the tracking number for you and find out where it is.

jon

Silverback

26-01-2007, 19:20

Mine arrived today and I have assembled as per Beech Nut Productions Instructional Video ;) Just come in from a good ole burn and I must say first impressions are good. I thought that one drawback would be the need to regularly feed the stove but not so - the dampers work well and hold the embers for a good length of time before replenishing is required. One design touch I particularly like are the laser cut airhole trees around the base - well pleased and well worth the wait :D

Torak

26-01-2007, 19:50

No sign of mine yet, maybe Parcel Force have got us mixed up with Russia's Kamchatka Peninsula, which lies on same latitude as Ireland. Hopefully arrive tomorrow.

fred gordon

26-01-2007, 19:56

No sign of mine yet, maybe Parcel Force have got us mixed up with Russia's Kamchatka Peninsula, which lies on same latitude as Ireland. Hopefully arrive tomorrow.
Don't laugh but I'm sure stranger things have happened :eek:

Bardster

26-01-2007, 20:33

Went and picked mine up from the depo after Parcelfarce waited for my wife to pop out and then attempted delivery! Fantastic bit of kit - heavier than expected but this is in fact a good thing as its less likely to warp and buckle from the heat. Went together easily. Looking forward to using it sunday.

Nice one Jon

Glen

26-01-2007, 20:37

No one signed for mine. instead of a stove I have a Parcle Force attempted delivery note :(

Still, if I get up early tomorrow and collect my stove from the depot, it'll help make reasonable kindling ;)

Moff8

26-01-2007, 20:39

mine arrived this afternoon, to a very confused look from the Mrs :lmao:

thanks again for organising.

scoops_uk

26-01-2007, 21:24

Received my free stove today too.

Interesting to compare the Woodland Edge stove with my original design. First impressions (based solely on an indoor comparision) are:

Unwrapping it was considerably easier than making one :D

It is *much* heavier (1.535Kg without the chimney and grill, compared with the 0.635Kg of my chimneyless version). The the dimensions are near identical other than the width being increased to take the billy can so most of this weight is in the thickness of the steel. I've had warping issues with mine when all buttoned up with a good burn, the thicker steel will definitely cure that. Whether it's thicker than necessary to cure this, I don't know.

Mine is easier to put together and is more 'solid' when assembled. The close fit of my joints might be partly the cause of my warping however. I doubt you could easily carry the Woodland Edge version assembled as I can with mine. On the flip side, the looser joints mean it is easier to do things like remove the top, release the ash etc. Once it's hot it's *very* tricky to remove or replace the top on my version.

The face plates on the Woodland Edge version cannot be adjusted up and down and stay were you put them to regulate airflow. As they are looser they always sit as low as they will go. This means the face cannot be closed, there will always be a gap. The lower plate doesn't seem to do an awful lot. However the looser plates can be easily removed (with a stick if your name's Glen ;) ) for the addition of fuel whereas mine are quite fiddly to remove/adjust because the fit is so snug.

I assume the longer tab on the base plate is to allow it to be pulled out a bit and lowered at a slant to facilitate ash clearing? If so - Nice idea. If it's not, why not try it, it looks like it will work.

Which do I prefer? Mine of course ;) But I would say that wouldn't I, however I hope I have been fair in the comparison.

Scoops

Glen

27-01-2007, 13:19

The face plates on the Woodland Edge version cannot be adjusted up and down and stay were you put them to regulate airflow. As they are looser they always sit as low as they will go. This means the face cannot be closed, there will always be a gap. The lower plate doesn't seem to do an awful lot. However the looser plates can be easily removed (with a stick if your name's Glen ;) ) for the addition of fuel whereas mine are quite fiddly to remove/adjust because the fit is so snug.

Now mines arived I just need to find that special stick ;)

Had a little play, doen't think this was intentional in the design but I figure that you can get some adjustment to the front top plate by putting it on upside down, either resting on the bottom plate or overlapping. That would give 3 variations, that can be changed while hot ( all because of those thoughtful lifting holes ;)

Something that might be worth condidering in future models is putting those lifting holes more centrally heightwise to allow this more easily.

Other slight mods that could easily be made to improve functionality and versatility.

The castellations along the 2 sides : make them just a little shorter It'll be about 1 to 2 mm shorter
Make the back middle catellation slot the same width as the slot that's just below it.
This will enable the the flat top plate to be positioned on top of the springy wire grill without taking anything apart. Shortening the castelations by that mm or 2 will mean that top placed on grill will sit flat with the sides, meaning so a wider range of cooking utensils can be used on it.

Which do I prefer? Mine of course ;) But I would say that wouldn't I, however I hope I have been fair in the comparison.

Seems fair, must addmit I'd probably prefer yours for hiking just beause of that much weight difference. Mind you recalling you opening comment I might change my mind agin if I was to try making one myself ;)

Do you think if we keep throwing good ideas at Woodland Edge they might cut us both free aniversary #3 titanium lightweight versions ;)

scoops_uk

27-01-2007, 13:49

Do you think if we keep throwing good ideas at Woodland Edge they might cut us both free aniversary #3 titanium lightweight versions ;)

I've been pondering titanium, does some trick things colour wise with heat.

Scoops

Glen

27-01-2007, 14:03

I've been pondering titanium, does some trick things colour wise with heat.

Scoops

Not only pretty colours but as pretty patterns as unique per stove as woodgrain.

I really ought to get outside and fix my car before I loose the light but I've played some more.

If you build firebox with grill in place and then drop the top plate on backwards ( 2 side taps fit in back castelations of the side plates ) you'll get a very good idea of how cutting that back castellation wider will allow the top plate to sit on the grill.

I might file mine out and the side castelations tops down a touch anyway as it seems such a good idea with no drawbacks, how easy is this stuff to file? I had the impression from your original making/design thread that that working with this material is quite hard.

fred gordon

27-01-2007, 14:21

scoops_uk

27-01-2007, 15:44

I might file mine out and the side castelations tops down a touch anyway as it seems such a good idea with no drawbacks, how easy is this stuff to file? I had the impression from your original making/design thread that that working with this material is quite hard.

It's easy enough to file as long as it's held securely and your file is new/sharp. Lots of filing will wear the file down faster than a less hard material. So if you're doing lots of filing...

Scoops

mayfly

27-01-2007, 15:48

Got mine and have thoroughly satisfied my pyromaniac habit with it most of the afternoon - great new toy :)

Just wanted to say thanks to Beech Nut for sorting this. That video was a big help as well. :You_Rock_

Torak

27-01-2007, 16:08

Still no sign of mine-shouldn't be surprised as N.Ireland is so far away!!!!

ggfh666

27-01-2007, 16:29

Still no sign of mine-shouldn't be surprised as N.Ireland is so far away!!!!

The sea has been a little rough lately, so don't lose hope;)

Torak

28-01-2007, 01:38

The sea has been a little rough lately, so don't lose hope;)

Nope not the sea-seemingly the stove has been sitting in the depot since Friday morning. Hopefully Woodland Edge or Jon can claim a refund on the shipping for this one.

Silverback

28-01-2007, 10:23

Now I am totally cheesed off. Stove still not arrived :twak: Waited in all morning and just rang Parcel Force to complain. Closed!!!!!!! Website says its in Aberdeen Depot, but it was there yesterday. What do I think of Parcel Posts 24 hour service :nutkick:Thank god I can let steam off with smilesI have had extensive dealings with Parcelforce over the years and now believe they should spell their name with a silent 'P'
:rolleyes:

fred gordon

28-01-2007, 17:38

Nope not the sea-seemingly the stove has been sitting in the depot since Friday morning. Hopefully Woodland Edge or Jon can claim a refund on the shipping for this one.
Good point. No blame whatsoever on Woodland Edge or Jon but we didn't get what we paid for. Can we claim compensation? :confused:

andyn

28-01-2007, 19:23

Oh dear looks like Parcel Farce are living upto thier name for some of you guys. :(

Fortunately I was able to pick mine up and had it for the weekend where i gave it some thorough abuse....its all dirty now :( :lmao: :lmao:

Cooked on it for two days and was more than pleased with it. The versitiliy of it means that it can be used to grill, fry and boil (with the aids of a pot) so i managed to have a nice range of meals off it.

Heres a couple of pictures:

Getting some nice embers:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/144/372132569_e92cd12d1c.jpg

Breakfast on the go:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/141/372132574_11704b1010.jpg

Spot of bannock for lunch anyone? :
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/135/372132573_378fc169bb.jpg

(Although the grill isn't fitted properly in the bannock picture, as the chimney is in the way obviously, it did give the much needed air gap between the top plate and the bowl - otherwise it would have burnt to a crisp.)

Very very happy and more than just a little impressed.

Thanks again Jon for pointing this little beaut' out to everyone its fantastic. :You_Rock_

Big Bad Stu

29-01-2007, 11:15

Just a quick bit of feedback on the stove.

We tested it in the remote location of my back garden yesterday. I can safely say that it is not as fast as a petrol stove or as clean. It was however the best fun I have ever had making a brew. What with feeding the fire, stoking the thing and generally sitting around with my mate Neil and having a chat we had a right laugh (isn't this what life should be all about). We were watched from the conservatory by the somewhat bemused wives but I guess they will never understand, they had a cup of tea from the kettle because they could not wait.

Cheers Jon :You_Rock_

This is the best gadget ever!

Stewey :D :D

fred gordon

29-01-2007, 18:35

:red: :red: :red: Its arrived :red: :red: :red:
The stove arrived today and its burning outside this window even as I write this. I can't believe how small it is. Not being critical but my other environmental fireplace is about 6 times as big. Found that you can manoever the hot front plates to put in fuel using the Trangia put grip.
Just a word on the Parcel Force front. It appears they don't operate a 24 hour service in certain Post Code areas (bet they didn't say that when the parcel was posted). The parcel came to the Parcel Force Depot in Aberdeen on Thursday, was left there till Saturday when it was transferred to Royal Mail who then resorted it, put it yet another van to our local sorting office and they delivered it today. This info from our local friendly Postman. Be warned if you are posting to less well populated areas in the UK. You don't get what you pay for :( Tea must be ready by now!

Torak

29-01-2007, 22:08

My stove arrived today-will hopefully get the chance to use it at weekend. Thanks to Jon for organising this.

As for Parcelforce-my stove lay in their depot all weekend, I sent an email asking why they advertise 24 hour delivery-reckon I will get a reply next week. :rolleyes:

Beech Nut

30-01-2007, 10:15

Folks

I am glad you are all having fun with your new toys :-) Be great to see some photos of them in action and your reviews are greatly appreciated.

Jon

PhilParry

30-01-2007, 10:18

I haven't had a chance to test mine yet - has anyone tested the effect on grass if you use the stove on it? :rolleyes:

Also, has anyone tried charcoal bricketts yet!? :morpheus:

Anyone got any theories on how best to start it or is it just the same as a campfire (probably a stupid question!!) inasmuch that you use ignition, bunch of twigs (why DOESN'T anyone call them faggot sticks anymore?!? :D ) infact I've just looked this up Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(unit_of_measurement))

Or has anyone had a bright idea in some other way?!!? :D

Thanks for the group buy again! I love the compact and bijou design!! :You_Rock_

Phil

Buckshot

30-01-2007, 14:21

Anyone else not got thier's yet??? :(
Still no sign of mine

Mark

Beech Nut

30-01-2007, 14:30

Mark

I did not realise you had not recieved yours yet. I will get the tracking number from Woodland Edge and find out where it is!!

Jon

Buckley8219

31-01-2007, 18:41

Shame I missed out on this one, I think i'll order one direct tonight. Stupid question, but did anyone buy two and have one for sale??????

barry

31-01-2007, 20:46

hey just got mine today not had a chance to try it out but lookin forward to a test run this weekend thanks again for orginising this beech nut

Beech Nut

02-02-2007, 10:24

Gents. Some of you have not collected your stoves from the post office. They will be sent back to us and you would have to pay shipping again to get them.

Barry Maccoll .... Dingwall MSPO Awaiting collection from Post Office

Phill Parry ....... Milton Keynes Depot Awaiting collection from Post Office

Graham Strowes ... Strathmartine Road SPSO Awaiting collection from Post Office

Buckshot

02-02-2007, 14:51

Received today thanks

Mark

barry

02-02-2007, 18:50

hey picked mine up two days ago but thanks beech nut had it going tonight cooks great well impressed :)

fred gordon

02-02-2007, 23:33

I tried firing mine up today with BBQ briquettes. Worked a treat. Used abour 6 in the firebox and they lasted for about 2 hours. Very useful where there is limited firewood. :D

PhilParry

03-02-2007, 10:07

Torak

03-02-2007, 16:28

Would the trangia meths burner produce enough heat the cook on the stove? Never cooked with meths. Thanks

PhilParry

07-02-2007, 17:14

Finally had a go at mine today and OH MY WORD!!!

Gobsmacked at the amount of heat such a small stove kicks out given the small fire (ok, with Ash wood split up into finger sized kindling!) I had in it.

SUPERB! :You_Rock_

Now...where's the burn cream??? :o :lmao: :o

Phil

Torak

14-02-2007, 21:01

Would just like to thank Derek at Woodland Edge for his very kind gesture because of my stove being late, even though the delivery beyond his control. Nice to know there are some companies out there that go that little bit further.

Thanks again . :You_Rock_

redneck

15-02-2007, 18:50

What a cracking looking wee stove, I'm so sorry i missed out on this G.B. I hope there's a chance it could happen again sometime???

Graham_S

06-03-2007, 16:06

Looks like my flatmate picked mine up for me, I was somewhere in the south atlantic when it was delivered.
It's a great looking piece of kit, I can't wait to give it a try.
thanks to all concerned.

arian

06-01-2008, 19:53

Hi Guys,

I'm very pleased to report that Woodland Edge and I have reached an agreement.

Throughout the discussions we have had, they have demonstrated themselves to be people of integrity and I am entirely happy to accept this all as a misunderstanding. I do not believe there was any intent to be dishonest or to mislead on the part of Woodland Edge.

Our agreement is as follows:

1. The phrase: "Developed from the modified Nimblewill stove described on the Bushcraft UK forum" will feature on the Woodland Edge website and any advertising literature they produce relating to the firebox.

2. A donation will be made to the woodland trust for every firebox sold. This will be made at the end of each calendar year and details of the contribution will be posted on this forum.

3. As a goodwill gesture, Woodland Edge will be providing me with a firebox free of charge.

It's well over a year now.

1. I've just looked on the Woodland Edge site, and if your phrase is there, it's well hidden. Searching on Google for the phrase "modified <word> stove" only gives one hit (and not BushcraftUK).

2. Can anyone give me a pointer to this post detailing the donation?

3. Did you receive your firebox?

arian

Beech Nut

06-01-2008, 20:01

Arian

Not that difficult to spot matey. Look here... http://www.woodlandedge.co.uk/firebox.html

And I quote "With various styles of burners available, we are pleased to have developed the advanced Woodland Edge Firebox from the modified Nimblewell stove shown on the Bushcraft UK forum."

Also at the bottom of the page is a big Woodland trust logo with the words "We are proud to be supporting the Woodland Trust and are pleased to be making a donation for each firebox sold. " above it

These guys are as honest and helpful as you can get and I believe Scoops did get his free stove.

Jon

bikething

06-01-2008, 21:22

Scots_Charles_River

06-01-2008, 21:31

These jungle hammocks look exactly the same as DDones ?

http://www.woodlandedge.co.uk/junglehammocks.html

Or is it just me ?

Nick

fred gordon

06-01-2008, 21:33

For some reason, everytime I go on the stove page of their site it locks up my browser, but only on the stove page.

I did notice that the picture on the site shows the stove with folding legs - are these available separately as my firebox hasn't got them (but it does have the holes) ?

The legs are available as an optional extra. They are worth while as they lift the hot part of the stove above where it can do much damage to the ground. The stoves already have holes to take the legs.:D

bikething

06-01-2008, 21:35

Cheers Fred

couldn't see them as an option on the page before it crashed - I've sent them an email as I like the idea of raising it up a bit more :)

Beech Nut

06-01-2008, 21:48

Nick

Its Just you.:) They are very different. And with respect to the duys at DD, I think they Woodland edge ones are Far higher quality.

I have lots of hammocks but the W.E. ones are my favorite. I believe that W.E are the Sole UK Distributers of these hammocks. I actually Purchased my one from the U.S Before W.E. were distributing them. Its great to see that they are now available direct from a UK Supplier.

Jon

andy_e

06-01-2008, 21:54

I think the Woodland Edge hammocks are from these guys http://www.mosquitohammock.com/, not quite the same as DD but still a thai-style hammock which all look pretty similar.

Aragorn

06-01-2008, 22:16

beech is there any possibility of another group buy on the stoves, as it's been 12 months since the last i'm sure there would be a lot of interest in another buy.

Beech Nut

06-01-2008, 23:25

Alan

I will talk to the Guys at W.E. and let you know.

Jon

scoops_uk

06-01-2008, 23:48

Just to let everyone know I've received notification from woodland edge of the donation made to the Woodland Trust from the sale of the stoves.

:D

Scoops

UKHaiku

07-01-2008, 01:08

Just to let everyone know I've received notification from woodland edge of the donation made to the Woodland Trust from the sale of the stoves.

:D

Scoops

Nice one.. Wasn't the amount being donated going to be posted on here too? Just curious.. :D

As an aside, I also might be interested in the GB on the stove, dependent on price (would expect it to include the legs option in the buy too..?).

scoops_uk

07-01-2008, 20:43

Nice one.. Wasn't the amount being donated going to be posted on here too? Just curious.. :D

Looking back, yes it was. The amount was £50. I guess this works out to something like a £1-2 per stove, I don't know how many they've sold, but it seems a reasonable contribution.

I wasn't sure if they'd already posted details as I've been busy out and about of late and may have missed their post.

Scoops

mick miller

08-01-2008, 20:03

I'd be up for another group buy on these provided the price could be reduced. I've been looking for a more environmentally friendly, but convenient alternative to using gas cans/ fuel camping stoves on my long session fishing trips.

Fires on the bankside are usually out, due to the scorching and mess left behind rather than the immediate fire risk, however as the firebox has legs I'm guessing that that is overcome. Looks like a well thought out bit of kit (wish I'd seen this before buying that Primus multifuel).

Nice to see the evolution too, so a nod of acknowledgment to both Nimblewill and Scoops also.

SCOMAN

08-01-2008, 20:41

I'd put myself down for one if there's a group buy going

Graham_S

09-01-2008, 00:04

A little OT, but I use a mini folding table from eurohike to raise my stove above ground level. it costs about £10 and weighs very little.
I use it regularly as it gives me a stable platform to cook on and leaves no scorch marks

andy_e

09-01-2008, 13:18

Am also tempted by the prospect of a group buy on these.

Newbie woodworm

12-01-2008, 19:00

Looks cool, would be interested in another group buy dependant on price!!:Wow:

kiltedpict

15-01-2008, 01:51

I too would be interested in partaking in a group buy.

KP

Paullyfuzz

15-01-2008, 07:17

Me too. Id be interested in a group buy.

Richie O

15-01-2008, 16:25

I would also be interested in another group buy...
These stoves look good
:D

UKHaiku

15-01-2008, 17:01

The legs are available as an optional extra. They are worth while as they lift the hot part of the stove above where it can do much damage to the ground. The stoves already have holes to take the legs.:D

Fred - are you sure about this? I've just had a thorough look at the site, and it does read as though they come with the firebox.. (i.e. the main description mentions them, and no reference to accessories). I'd be very concerned if I ordered one, as per what they state on the site, and it came without the legs (every photo also includes the legs).

I think it's more likely that anyone who doesn't have the legs has an older model?

bikething

15-01-2008, 22:03

Fred - are you sure about this? I've just had a thorough look at the site, and it does read as though they come with the firebox.. (i.e. the main description mentions them, and no reference to accessories). I'd be very concerned if I ordered one, as per what they state on the site, and it came without the legs (every photo also includes the legs).

I think it's more likely that anyone who doesn't have the legs has an older model?

correct - the older models came without legs, but the holes for them are in the side plates.

You can buy the legs seperate (I just did ;) ) for about £12 shipped - arrived within a week

drop Derek an email at derek@woodlandedge.com :)

no connection with the seller, just a happy customer :D

Steve

littlebiglane

19-01-2008, 12:02

And does the design warp badly? its justy that I have a firebox based on the original design and over time it warps so badly that I find it quite difficult to get the thing aligned so it slots together easily.....

bikething

19-01-2008, 12:56

littlebiglane

19-01-2008, 13:00

http://www.canoepaddler.me.uk/yukon.htm

1.6mm steel.

The smaller version is of titanium which does not warp. But...at a cost.

Graham S is the man to ask - though it's fairly heavy guage steel - how thick was yours?

bikething

19-01-2008, 13:09

http://www.canoepaddler.me.uk/yukon.htm

1.6mm steel.

The smaller version is of titanium which does not warp. But...at a cost.

The woodland edge one is 1.5mm stainless around the sides, and 2mm for the top and bottom plates, again stainless.

weighs 1.8Kg without the legs

andyn

19-01-2008, 13:12

Newbie woodworm

26-01-2008, 16:08

:confused: Just received this from Woodlandedge,
I asked if the legs, chimney, grill and flat cooking plate were included.

"Yes everything, including a custom made pull top Firebox bag.

No pots or pans though !!

Hope this helps you, If you need any further information, please just ask".

hope this clears things up.
Newbie:cool:

kiltedpict

05-02-2008, 04:22

Hi guys.

Any more info about another group buy for this stove??

Regards

KP

mick miller

05-02-2008, 10:36

Gentlefolk, I'll try and find out what the bobby is regarding a group buy on this. As WE is a small firm I'd imagine they'll need a minimum amount to be run off in order to realise any discount.

From what I understand the stove has had a few modifications from the original with thicker steel being used in places and legs etc. now coming with the kit so the price is going to be higher than the original buy.

mick miller

06-02-2008, 19:32

Okay, this from the folks at Woodland Edge;

"We can offer the following for a minimum order of Woodland Edge fireboxes:

Minimum 20 off (Paid for in one cheque payment)

£ 54.95 each (which now includes the pair of legs, previous group buys were without legs)

plus

£ 6.75 carriage and packing each.

Total £ 61.70 each delivered

Saving £ 10.00 per box"

Over to you peeps...http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/images/icons/icon7.gif

gorilla

06-02-2008, 19:41

i've been looking at these for a while and that is a good price, so i'll take one!
gorilla x 1

kiltedpict

06-02-2008, 19:41

£61.70 delivered was a wee bit more than I was expecting, however:

1) they appear to be excellent quality and now come with all the bits, &
2) I expect the design will have been tweaked a little here and there, improving it .

On that basis, count me in for one please! :) :) :)

Thanks Mick

KP

Jacko

06-02-2008, 21:49

Hi, well done on sorting this out, please put me down for one.
Thanks, :)

UKHaiku

06-02-2008, 22:53

Nice one :) Cheers Mick..

I think that makes it:

mick miller x 1
gorilla x 1
kiltedpict x 1
Jacko x 1
UKHaiku x 1

shocks

06-02-2008, 23:31

I'll take one

gorilla

07-02-2008, 14:21

so;
mick miller x 1
gorilla x 1
kiltedpict x 1
Jacko x 1
UKHaiku x 1
shocks x 1

Richie O

07-02-2008, 17:26

Add me for one too please!

mick miller x 1
gorilla x 1
kiltedpict x 1
Jacko x 1
UKHaiku x 1
shocks x 1
Richie O x 1

Cheers

Greg

07-02-2008, 17:44

bikething

07-02-2008, 19:38

So can someone tell me why they are so good, especially if I will be paying over £60.
They don't run on greenheat :)

andyn

08-02-2008, 10:25

I would take one but it doesn't look very strong and its very small especially for the price!
I could probably get the same heat and usefulness out of my £2 Stainless steel cutlery strainer homemade hobo stove.
So can someone tell me why they are so good, especially if I will be paying over £60.

Hi Greg,

They certainly aren't weak. I don't know all the fancy words for the metal, but it won't bend and doesn't warp. I can't imagine it will ever need replacing. I've been regually using mine for what must be over a year now.

Advantages over a cutlery hobo sotve....I would say that it is its versitility (is that a word?) that makes them useful. To start with it packs flat, so it takes up little space in the bag...Using the hot plate or grill for boiling/frying/grilling on on plus I've doubled the hotplate with the grill on top before for baking bannock (as the air gap between the hotplate and the grill makes it perfect for this)...Its all self supporting, so you don't need to sort out hanging stands to balance pots over it.

So it just bish bash bosh and it up and ready to go, a full kitchen range! :D

I would say that its only downside is its weight, being at around 2Kg, but this isn't really notice when its in the rucksack. Unless you're a lightweight camper, where every gram counts for whatever reason.

kiltedpict

09-02-2008, 09:04

Ok, so we're a little short on takers so far, 7 down, 13 to go....

mick miller x 1
gorilla x 1
kiltedpict x 1
Jacko x 1
UKHaiku x 1
shocks x 1
Richie O x 1

KP:D

scoops_uk

09-02-2008, 10:25

Don't forget there's always the option of making your own as per my thread of Sept 06:

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15468

There are a few nice refinements on the WE version (based on my version of the Nimblewill original). But mine is still going strong and as I only used 0.9mm stainless it weighs in at a much lighter 600g.

Scoops

crofter

09-02-2008, 23:48

I'll have one please

mick miller x 1
gorilla x 1
kiltedpict x 1
Jacko x 1
UKHaiku x 1
shocks x 1
Richie O x 1
Crofter x 1

Ade

ZDP-189

10-02-2008, 10:31

Please count me in and add shipping to Hong Kong.

Bowser

10-02-2008, 12:58

I'd like one of these too please!

andy_e

13-02-2008, 15:02

Ah well, go on then :D

mick miller x 1
gorilla x 1
kiltedpict x 1
Jacko x 1
UKHaiku x 1
shocks x 1
Richie O x 1
Crofter x 1
ADP-189 x 1
Bowser x 1
andy_e x 1

mick miller

13-02-2008, 16:37

We've just pipped over the 10 mark (11), that means nine to go... I'll find out the postage costs to Hong Kong later this week.

littlebiglane

26-02-2008, 18:35

I've used my stove on numberous occasions and not just for ten minutes at a time and have had NO problem with the metal warping at all.

Mind you its now pretty black, so am very grateful of the bag it comes with! lol.

Warping - would you call this warping?
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj130/littlebiglane/IMGP0751.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj130/littlebiglane/IMGP0741.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj130/littlebiglane/IMGP0739.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj130/littlebiglane/IMGP0737.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj130/littlebiglane/IMGP0753.jpg

andyn

26-02-2008, 19:04

Yes.....

But that isn't the woodland edge stove.

So i don't follow.

littlebiglane

26-02-2008, 19:27

Yes.....

But that isn't the woodland edge stove.

So i don't follow.

Okay - this is a quote from an earlier discussion in this thread. I was talking about the thickness of the steel (1.8mm) and wondered if the woodland edge stove warped like this one (which is another popular stove) made of similar materials. What I cannot understand is that steel being steel...and heat being heat...that mine has warped and the woodland edge does not.....That's all. Maybe its to do with the design, how its braced etc......:)