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Spacemonkey
14-12-2006, 21:00
For all those owners of the Solihull Spawn Of Satan, I have a couple of questions.
Does the 200TDi have a foldable front window like the earlier TD models? I understand the 300 TDi does not?? How does this work? If the doors were removed, would this leave a frame upright, or would the windscreen just drop forward leaving nothing?
Is it easy to remove the doors, and can just the top window bit be removed leaving nothin else?
Do the roofs unbolt or easily remove on all 90 models of TD or 200TDi vinrage? can it be easily replaced if need be?
Basically, I'm toying with the idea of a 90 TD/200TDi (preferably 200 TDi) set up like the old style Jeep with folding screen, no doors or roof. Bit like an RDV.
Is it possible and what do you think?
Spacemonkey
14-12-2006, 21:59
Forgot to ask, does the windscreen fix securely when raised if it doesn;t have a side window or roof to rest on, ie it is freestanding??
Thanks guys!
wingstoo
14-12-2006, 22:02
For all those owners of the Solihull Spawn Of Satan, I have a couple of questions.
Does the 200TDi have a foldable front window like the earlier TD models? I understand the 300 TDi does not?? How does this work? If the doors were removed, would this leave a frame upright, or would the windscreen just drop forward leaving nothing?
A lot of the windscreens are removable by undoing a couple of nuts inside the cab, but you need a windscreen support bracket or two on the bonnet unless you remove it completely. If you check the external bulk head below the wind screen and by the door pillars you will see hinges at each side.
Is it easy to remove the doors, and can just the top window bit be removed leaving nothin else?
Most doors are easily removable with just 4 hinge screws/bolts to come out.
Doors are generally one piece, except the military versions.
Do the roofs unbolt or easily remove on all 90 models of TD or 200TDi vinrage? can it be easily replaced if need be?
Depends on the model, CSW, Truck cabs etc etc but you might need an angle grinder on some of the fixings
Basically, I'm toying with the idea of a 90 TD/200TDi (preferably 200 TDi) set up like the old style Jeep with folding screen, no doors or roof. Bit like an RDV.
Is it possible and what do you think?
Most things are possible with a Land rover, and make sure you get a roll bar over the top to protect your head and a pair of goggles to save your eyes.
Above all, have fun and enjoy.
LS
Spacemonkey
14-12-2006, 22:18
Thanks for replying. Appreciated..
Yes, I agree about eye protection for screen down action, and the roll bars. Undecided between RDV style rear cage (without mount ring of course..) or twin roll bars behind front seats like I have seen in the Landy mags. My MX5 doesn't have a roll bar, but I don't take it off road much! (Have gently green laned it a little bit though!!)
So does the 200TDi have the folding screen that you know?
The 200 series had some folding and some not depending on the age. Along with the split doors. If not, hinged replacements are common at such places as The Old Sodbury Sortout nr Newbury. £5 for the pair and presto the screen folds.....Although I can't remember about the wipers sitting here! No, it won't just drop forward if the roof is unbolted (easy if all the bolts undo). It is held with two turn down bolts on the bottom corners. Other parts will fit as they are common, in particular the army 90 rag top clips that hold the canvas to the screen etc. It is just a question of finding a good stockist. I can recommend Dingocroft in High Wycombe as I get my spares from them (business relationship only)
I think the only snag would be the one piece doors with the roll down windows as the top frame would not be removable. The door could be removed completely and perhaps replaced with a chain to stop occupants falling out! Split doors are a rarity for this reason.
An ex army 90 non turbo is a slow old thing but interestingly when driving a friends out of London along The Embankment last year with the headlights on some vehicles moved out of the way!! And no it was not my terrible driving!
If you do not do long journeys and do not want to get somewhere in a hurry I would consider an ex army rag top 90 as they are common, cheap and usually in reasonable condition. The gearboxes do not suffer with the problems that their more powerful cousins have especially the high milers say 140,000+ ie a rebulid with £500 worth of parts alone without labour.
But, horses for courses. Hope this helps a little...
Swyn.
PS. The 200 engine was the best apart from doing the timing belt! S
wingstoo
14-12-2006, 22:31
The 200 series had some folding and some not depending on the age. Along with the split doors. If not, hinged replacements are common at such places as The Old Sodbury Sortout nr Newbury. £5 for the pair and presto the screen folds.....Although I can't remember about the wipers sitting here! No, it won't just drop forward if the roof is unbolted (easy if all the bolts undo). It is held with two turn down bolts on the bottom corners. Other parts will fit as they are common, in particular the army 90 rag top clips that hold the canvas to the screen etc. It is just a question of finding a good stockist. I can recommend Dingocroft in High Wycombe as I get my spares from them (business relationship only)
I think the only snag would be the one piece doors with the roll down windows as the top frame would not be removable. The door could be removed completely and perhaps replaced with a chain to stop occupants falling out! Split doors are a rarity for this reason.
An ex army 90 non turbo is a slow old thing but interestingly when driving a friends out of London along The Embankment last year with the headlights on some vehicles moved out of the way!! And no it was not my terrible driving!
If you do not do long journeys and do not want to get somewhere in a hurry I would consider an ex army rag top 90 as they are common, cheap and usually in reasonable condition. The gearboxes do not suffer with the problems that their more powerful cousins have especially the high milers say 140,000+ ie a rebulid with £500 worth of parts alone without labour.
But, horses for courses. Hope this helps a little...
Swyn.
PS. The 200 engine was the best apart from doing the timing belt! S
http://i16.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/7e/7a/d6c7_12.JPG (javascript:void(null))
Does it look like this one? Do you see the hinges to the side of the front passenger air grilles?
If it has these the wind screen will drop.
LS
Yes, these are easily replaced with the older version and this will allow the screen to hinge forward. NB in removing the hinges and replacing with solid pieces there was also a move to not fit the turn down bolts that hold the screen upright although the lugs remain!!!! this seemed to be a rolling programme so can't do the dates!
I see this is 92 J so there should be lugs on the inside and possibly the turndowns.
It sounds complicated but in reality is just getting the right bits fitted!
Swyn.
PS just another thought. Remember that if you do have hinges fittwed they may well be seized so be careful.
Spacemonkey
14-12-2006, 22:52
Thanks Swyn, that really helps. So it seems that even a 300TDi which definitely do NOT have hinges, could have hinges retro fitted, including the inner turn down bolts?
I have just looked at a 300 series c'95 and yes the lugs are there for the turn down bits and I know they are there on a 200. The non-hinges are held to the screen with one bolt through them and the bulkhead by two so three in all each side. The retro fit hinges and turndown bolts will have to be sourced from either your wanderings or through people like Dingocroft.
With the hinge parts being aluminium and steel mix be careful as things will almost certainly be seized. This is one of the rust areas on LR's it is also an opportunity to spray in some rust preventer too, ditto when you get the door hinges off as this gives good access to the innards of the bulkhead.
About the split doors. There is a company that makes the tops as the original ones dissolve over the years and then the glass falls out! I saw them at Sodbury Sortout some years ago and was impressed with the quality. They are made for all Series and the 90/110 split door models. So perhaps this idea is not as difficult as I thought. Just legwork oh, and glass..... etc!
Finally as L.S importantly sugested, fit a roll bar. The military ones are obviously the easy option as the seatbelt mountings are then all in place and the bits and pieces to fit the roof frame. This is fitted to my friends one.
Which I have also remembered does NOT have power steering!
Have fun with this Spacemonkey. :D
Swyn.
Spikey DaPikey
15-12-2006, 08:42
Me want this one :notworthy :drive: :red: :approve:
http://www.roverworld.com/images/Vehicles/Lara%20Croft/Tomb-01.jpg
British Red
15-12-2006, 08:45
Me want the driver of that one :D
Too Much Kit To Carry
15-12-2006, 08:47
Me want this one :notworthy :drive: :red: :approve:
http://www.roverworld.com/images/Vehicles/Lara%20Croft/Tomb-01.jpg
Is that the Tomb Raider Landy??
If so British Red is quite right about the driver ;)
Phil.
Spikey DaPikey
15-12-2006, 09:02
Yup, its the tomb raider one :)
Had one in the Coventry Transport Muesum once, ita a loverly bit of kit. Shame the driver wasent there as well ;)
Spacemonkey
15-12-2006, 09:22
I like that one... but i want this one:
http://www.olive-drab.com/images/id_landrover_rapiddeploy_6in.j pg
Not fussed about the driver though... :lmao:
Spikey DaPikey
15-12-2006, 09:32
I do like Landrovers, always have, just shame there too thirsty on the juice..
One day..... :rolleyes:
Scuba Pete
15-12-2006, 10:03
I would love a LR 90. Too skint thou. Just wondered whats a good price to pick one up at, and what models are worth getting?
I do like Landrovers, always have, just shame there too thirsty on the juice..
One day..... :rolleyes:
I'm a convert.
After what can only be described as an enormous amount of emotional gymnastics, my brain gave way to my heart and I bought one. This was a really big thing for me, because I've wanted one for as long as I can remember, but at the same time they are not the most environmentally friendly of vehicles and I have had a hard time rationalising the purchase. I've even been quite anti-land rover on these forums, I learned something about myself, I am indeed a world class hypocrit. :D
It came down to this....
You have one life, then you die and it's gone for ever!!!!
My new toy as of 3 weeks ago...
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/Martyn_s30v/TONGA901.jpg
I'm getting about 28mpg round town, but it depends very much how you drive it. I believe the Tdi's are more economical though not as powerful.
That is very nice Martyn! I bet you have grin factor ten even when you are asleep! Remember to keep a toothpick close by to remove the flys!
Swyn.
That is very nice Martyn! I bet you have grin factor ten even when you are asleep! Remember to keep a toothpick close by to remove the flys!
Swyn.
I havent stopped grinning since I bought it mate, I havent stopped spending either. :lol:
I'm very surprised by how civilised it is, though the turning circle is much bigger than a car, making parking a bit harder and the clutch - my god the clutch - do all Land Rover owners walk in circles. :D
On that point, If anyone knows any tricks for easing off the clutch a bit, I'd be eternally grateful. :D
I havent (seriously) off-roaded it yet, though I've been driving for 22 years I'm as green as grass with off road stuff. I'm gonna have a couple of propper off-roading leassons in the new year just to put me on the right track.
question is what did Lara Croft want with a load of copper water pipe in the jungle??
or was she some sort of ultra hardcore SAS plumber on the side?? :lmao:
if you're confused look at the side of the rack next to the roof boxes
wingstoo
15-12-2006, 16:29
http://www.roverworld.com/images/Vehicles/Lara%20Croft/Tomb-01.jpgNah
thats the carrier for the roll up stretcher for picking up all the guys who swooon when they see her driving it...Lol
I got one of those as well...Hmm will I get it to fit, have to try on the weekend...
And just for BR
http://www.planetlara.com/tombraider7/images/lara_left.gif
And from the rear...ooooer
http://www.planetlara.com/tombraider7/images/lara_right.gif
Happy drooooling lads
LS
just found this thread and flicked through it.my series hardtop is 17 bolts to completely remove the roof and only a handful for the 2 sides,then its the rear door.my e reg 90 i used to own was the same.about 2.5k should get a good one take a hammer to the chassis to check the rust.once chassis gone its not viable to replace unless you do it yourself.there good fun.the 200tdi was a bit noisey when wellied but easy to diy the 300 tdi similar.if you want to run on a budget a sherpa 2.5d engine can do the job but not if your into speed /quietness or running oversized tyres.i love the twin truck cab models but very pricey as is the roof panel if you want to convert a 110 into one.i would like a tax exempt ex military 109 " with a full soft top,and a tdi diesel if i could build my ideal truck.
It may pay to bleed the clutch. If you are not used to it it may seem stiff. Simple job to bleed and saves all sorts of niggles in the long run. You will be surprised at the colour difference of the hydraulic fluid when doing this change.
Swyn.
Spacemonkey
16-12-2006, 00:30
Martyn, I was expecting you to crop up soon to tell us how much we were killing dolphins in Timbuktoo or something, but i never expected this!! Excellent choice, looks a stunner mate. What engine is it?
Martyn, I was expecting you to crop up soon to tell us how much we were killing dolphins in Timbuktoo or something, but i never expected this!! Excellent choice, looks a stunner mate. What engine is it?
What can I say, the pull of the dark side was strong Luke. :)
Anyway, I went for as newer as I could afford, it's an '04 td5 with 13700 miles on the clock as of today. It's immaculate - bit weird seeing a dent-free landrover. :)
Coolest motas in the world and no mistake.
Spacemonkey
16-12-2006, 11:18
Dent free?? Surely you jest. sir... Get some mud on it... ;)
Dent free?? Surely you jest. sir... Get some mud on it... ;)
...am gonna. :)
Was on me was to the oldies last week, they live in the sticks and one of the roads was deeply flooded. Most cars were turning round, rather than risk it. Absolutely no issue for the 90 though.
One thing, other people driving land rovers wave to you - all of them! It's like being in a club or something.
Spacemonkey
16-12-2006, 18:54
It's the same when I'm in my MX5. They appreciate your madness i think..!
How do you find it comfort wise on a trip? And mpg for a rural trip?
It's the same when I'm in my MX5. They appreciate your madness i think..!
How do you find it comfort wise on a trip? And mpg for a rural trip?
SWMBO has got a mini and you get it a bit with them, but I dont think I've passed another land rover yet where the driver hasnt waved.
The mpg thing is very dependant on how you drive. I had to adjust my driving style a lot. first second and third are very short gears - it's about getting it into 5th as quick as possible and then just bimble along with fairly low revs keeping it under the turbo all the time seems to get the most from it. It seems to love this style of driving. But the td5 engine is surprisingly fast. There is some turbo lag, but when it kicks in, the engine roars into life, the turbo screams and it thunders off at quite an alarming pace, but the fuel consumption goes into orbit as well.
Comfort wise, it's surprisingly comfy as far as is limited by the fact it's a land rover. It's a bit bouncy round town, with better manners on an open road. But then it's only 26 months old and with low miles on the clock, it's almost a new car.
I've had it in low range a couple of times, really just to get a feel for it, but I havent actually encountered anything yet where high range wasnt perfectly adequate and I've not needed the diff-lock at all. I'm hoping to get some leassons in the new year on a 4x4 driving range where I can learn the limits of the car and hopefully some driving skills.
It may pay to bleed the clutch. If you are not used to it it may seem stiff. Simple job to bleed and saves all sorts of niggles in the long run. You will be surprised at the colour difference of the hydraulic fluid when doing this change.
Swyn.
Thanks swyn, I'll bear it in mind. I could do with driving another to compare.
I had a forward control cherry picker once.
It looked like something out of Mad Max.....
I had to get rid of it, too expensive to run.
I really don't think there is anything like a Landrover.
SWMBO doesn't feel quite the same though :(
As a compromise we ended up running a Discovery for about three years. Passed it on 12 months back and the missus (who used it daily) now regrets getting rid of it no end! :rolleyes:
One day I'll have a 90 or 110 :D
hi,
You will probarbly find that in a week or so your left leg will haev compensated for this, you wont even notice till you drive a normal car and try to put your foot through the bulkhead!!!
lou
I think to be honest though Martyn the clutch is very slightly heavier on the 5 pot than earlier models. This is perhaps due to a improved clutch as 130HP on tap, specially called for when towing, is needed.
I am used to this so it isn't really noticed. Although seem to remember vaguely three years ago when mine was new that the clutch felt different.
As Lou1661 has pointed out you will soon compensate and this is funny!!
Swyn.
Oh, and you will fing low range useful if you are in a long traffic queue as you can just tickle forward without dumping the clutch every few yards. This saves the leg and the mechanical wear. I leave a gap which sometimes an idiot trys to fill by overtaking but this compensates for the stop start action in the line. (just go careful when changing from H to L and back)
A couple of friends have bought LR's and Disco's and as these have never been beyond a pavement they have found the range lever seized through lack of use. It is easily cured with Duck oil or similar but maybe do move it monthly just to keep it working.
The bounce means you keep your speed down and I still have a clean licence as I rarely get faster than 50. On the motorway 70 feels like light speed!
He He :D
Swyn.
Minotaur
17-12-2006, 16:20
...am gonna. :)One thing, other people driving land rovers wave to you - all of them! It's like being in a club or something.
You are in a club of luckly people who driver the best vehicle in the world.
I keep looking at the price of Disco's and some of the older Landy's.
Come to the darkside, Luke!
Bootstrap Bob
19-12-2006, 13:28
Spacemonkey
Had a look at my 300TDi and yes the lugs are still there for the windscreen anchors/adjusters but the hinges have been replaced by a one piece casting as Swyn mentions. Martyn's photo shows this clearly. By the way that's far too clean Martyn :D
I agree with all the other comments regarding a retrofit - it should be pretty easy and the doors are a doddle. Not sure I would want to remove the roof completely though. If you do the roll cage is a must, I have a Safety Devices roll hoop behind the front seats just in case it goes over - the roof would not give much protection but the hoop would :(
I suppose you need the landrover to carry all your kit? You did look quite cramped in the MX5 when we met the other week. There is enough room in a LR to sleep too so you don't have to worry about the gear knob sticking up your **** :lmao: By the way I got the Sabre75 this weekend, thanks for the recommendation :)
Spacemonkey
19-12-2006, 14:17
Hi mate, thanks for that! I hope you like the Sabre 75, I certainly do!
Buckshot
19-12-2006, 15:07
This is my one.
Rest assured it's a LOT more dirty now :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/BCUK/Mark/landy1.jpg
Mark
By the way that's far too clean Martyn :D
lol, you're not the first to say that, but the pic was from the dealers website and the landy was about as clean and shiny as it is ever likely to be.
I'm working up to giving it a real hog-bath, I just want to get some armour under it first. I fitted a steering guard yesterday and a couple of diff guards should settle my mind and then "play time". :D
Spacemonkey
19-12-2006, 18:57
Niiice!! ;)
Buckshot
20-12-2006, 09:03
Yeah, mines got under body armour as well.
I go green laning all the time (around the shoot) but last time I took it seriously off road (at the Abingdon 4x4 festival) I sheared a bolt holding one of the side steps, bent all the other side steps even more and went ploughing with the tow bar and rear step ! :eek:
Took a big bar to bend it back round...
pothunter
20-12-2006, 11:02
My Navara has leather upholstry, air con, auto box, heated seats and quite a good sound system.
Does the occasional pheasant feeding run but stays away from all that nasty mud.
Does work for a living though carrying around 700kg.
Buckshot
20-12-2006, 11:34
My Navara has leather upholstry, air con, auto box, heated seats and quite a good sound system.
Does the occasional pheasant feeding run but stays away from all that nasty mud.
Does work for a living though carrying around 700kg.
Perhaps you go on a diet pothunter ;) :lmao:
As seen as someone mentioned a non landy product!...................... .......
And all the talk of off roading....................... ......
My route to the office.....
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a318/DavidCribb/1da091c1-1.jpg
What I have to drive round all day!
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a318/DavidCribb/Playtime-1.jpg
Oh and what I do it in!
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a318/DavidCribb/100_0415-2.jpg
(Sorry could not resist!!!!!! :twak: :twak: :twak: )
Bootstrap Bob
20-12-2006, 12:34
Hey Buckshot
If you fancy doing some off roading my 4x4 club has an event on the 27th at one of our sites. I notice you are in Oxford too.
It can be as difficult or as easy as you choose depending on your experience. It's actually a 4x4 training site so it has to have easy sections for road going vehicles. Saying that there are extreme bits that the more adventurous (mad) of us have ventured :drive:
Sorry to borrow your thread Spacemonkey, you can bring your MX5 if you like :)
peds8045
20-12-2006, 12:58
Not a LR owner myself though i have driven lots in my time.. Jeremy C (Top Gear) has a funny review of LR at the attached link
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12529-2481164,00.html
Be warned though it might upset some of the more ardent LR supporters :D
Buckshot
20-12-2006, 13:39
Hey Buckshot
If you fancy doing some off roading my 4x4 club has an event on the 27th at one of our sites. I notice you are in Oxford too.
We got a shoot on the 27th I'm afraid otherwise I'd be interested.
What's the club called and where do you go?
PM me if you don't want to say on open forum
Cheers
Mark
Not a LR owner myself though i have driven lots in my time.. Jeremy C (Top Gear) has a funny review of LR at the attached link
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12529-2481164,00.html
Be warned though it might upset some of the more ardent LR supporters :D
:D I love reading his reviews and he's right too.
But also of note, on the Top Gear cool wall (http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/coolwall.shtml), the defender got ranked as sub zero cool. :D
That's really the point. In many ways, they are a bit crap, but in many other ways, they are sublime. Their honest "does what it says on the tin" simplicity is rare in this age of pandering to the whims of a cosseted mass market. You dont drive a Defender, you wrestle it into submission and if it likes you, it'll let you in. It's not a particularly easy car to drive, but it's certainly not a boring car either. The bhemoth that lives beneath the bonnet, growls and grumbles as a constant reminder of who is the real master, and occasionally, if you are feeling brave, you can unleash the monster - just be sure to persuade it back under control before the next corner. They have been tested in every hostile environment in the world and in that regard, remain class leaders, but above all, they are staggeringly cool cars.
There are a very, very few machines made by man, which fully capture your heart and imagination in a completely visceral sense, but occasionally one does and that machine becomes a global icon. The landrover can take it's place with pride, right next to the supermarine spitfire. They are huge, tough, impoising vehicles. Taking delivery of one is like taking delivery of a lancaster bomber. They are slow and cumbersome with all the aerodynamics of a breeze-block, but that's not the point. The point is, they are not racing cars, they force you to see the world their way and in their time. In a world that moves too fast to breath, they give you back some time to live.
In the short time I've owned mine, I havent stopped grinning. I've become as besotted as a schoolboy after his first kiss. When you pull up next to another 4x4 in traffic, the other fella looks you over and his head tells him he made the right decision, but the pieces of his broken heart are crying "I wanted a Land Rover".
I just grin a bit more. :D
:
In the short time I've owned mine, I havent stopped grinning. I've become as besotted as a schoolboy after his first kiss. When you pull up next to another 4x4 in traffic, the other fella looks you over and his head tells him he made the right decision, but the pieces of his broken heart are crying "I wanted a Land Rover".
I just grin a bit more. :D
Argh!!!!! so true!!!
just needed the reliability and not spending a fortune!
(There we are trying to justify not buying one again! ;) )
Sorry i could not resist
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c26/lou1661/9.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c26/lou1661/DSCN0149.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c26/lou1661/DSCN0151.jpg
Spacemonkey
20-12-2006, 17:43
Nice pics, bring them on! Is that part of the Ridgeway on the Marlborough Downs? Looks like the bit where I lept off the grass 'kerb' on my mountain bike and into that puddle last summer. Much to the 'amusement' of the passing Ramblers...
Pignut, what sort of realistic everyday fuel economy do you get on that? Is it a Shogun or Pajero? Manual or Auto? Is it really as slow as Rain Man??
Bootstrap, if I wasn't working on the 27th I'd beg a lift!! Seriously, anyone of you oxford boys willing to take a passenger on a quick blast sometime after Christmas? I'm in Swinedon and could easily meet at the Landy dealer on the 420. I;m sure you all know it intimately... ;)
Please feel free to hijack my thread with 4x4 naughtiness (please, no antis here, this is not an arguement thread- we've done it all before.. and even on anti has joined the Dark Side... :) ) but the only rule is you must state your vehicle's mpg as this is a most important consideration for me. I also want to hear from L400 Delica owners, diesel P38 Rangey owners and anyone who has modified a Freeloader for off road use.
Here's one of mine:
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/P7300106.jpg
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/P7300100.jpg
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/P7300091.jpg
I got to many places that Discos got stuck... :lmao:
It is a shogun 2.8 d GLX. Auto
Everday use if you keep the driving stedy about 28-30mpg
It is raised 2" and has off road tyres and not as slow as they are reputed to be! (not that fast mind you)
It gets to all the places the landrovers get to in the quarry (However shoguns do not like to wade, it is a sure fire way to kill your alternator. That said I often drive through water to the door sills
(please, no antis here, this is not an arguement thread- we've done it all before.. and even on anti has joined the Dark Side... :) )
Indeed I have ...and I know you've asked for no discussion, but if I may just for a wee moment, tell you what made me do a U-turn.
The whole issue surrounds carbon emmissions right?
We can all get evangelical about all sorts of things and the greenies do make some good points, but those points cannot be applied accross the board in all circumstances to all 4x4 drivers. This is what I learned. To judge each situation individually and apply a little reason and intelligence ...and maths!
I do approximately 4000 miles a year. In my old mazda 626 which did 32 to the gallon, I burned 125 gallonn of petrol a year. My landy does 28 mpg, so I burn 142 gallons of petrol a year. A difference of 17 gallons a year. The CO2 produced from 17 gallons in negligable, but I am concious of it, so I plan to find ways to save the same amount, or more in other ways, better loft insulation, double glazing etc - it wont take much.
If I did 30,000 miles a year, then in my mazda I would've burned 937 gallons and my landy, 1071 gallons. A difference of 134 gallons. That is much harder to offset and consequently, the eco-pressure is higher to use a vehicle that is more economical. If those miles are done in a vehicle which only does 18mpg, then the extra fuel is 729 gallons - a massive amount.
Of course, I may do more miles now those miles are so much fun, but if my lifestyle doesnt change at all, then I'm only using an extra 17 gallons a year for the cost of running a landy.
I also have to consider, I made two jet trips to the indian ocean last year, those two trips combined, are equivalent to about 10 years of running a smokey old landrover that does tons of miles. My carbon footprint last year was astronomical. I had no issue dumping all that carbon in the interests of my own pleasure then, so it is staggeringly hyppocritical to give someoner a hard time over dumping a helluva lot less for what is a much longer term pleasure of running a land rover.
It's all a question of perspective. Smokey old Land Rovers arent the most environmentally friendly of vehicles, true, but we all have to live and there are far, far worse offenders that really should be getting addressed first. To float all 4x4's right to the top of the eco-offender pile, shows a great deal of ignorance.
I showed my ignorance by joining that band wagon, all be it with good intentions. I have learned that sometimes I am wrong, even when I think I am right. That makes me a bit uncomfortable, but that's a good thing I think.
BTW, I'm sure you know already, but the 200tdi and the 300tdi are the most economical of all the landy engines and are good for 30mpg. The td5 is more powerful, but it's thirstier - especially if you have a heavy right foot.
Spacemonkey
20-12-2006, 19:56
Martyn, that is a very, very good reasoning and a cogent response. If only all the 'antis' could be so reasonable and, dare I say it, grown up about it. Well done sir!
Ok, please, no more of that... back to the beasts in question.
Pignut, I was not aware of the alternator prob. Do they all suffer or is there a mod to prevent this? Is a 2" lift easy on the Shogun/Pajero? Have you driven a 200/300TDi Landy and if so can you compare the performance or the way they drive? Do you know a good owner's club website or similar for them where I can get info? What is that lever near the bonnet release that looks like a choke lever? Surely not....?
At the mo' I am torn between a 90 200TDi, a Freelander, a Delica or a Pajero/Shogun or a P38 diesel Rangey. If i get the 90 it will be modded in the way I described originally and used as a summer plaything, with a cheaper 4x4 to back it up. Whatever I buy it is for minimal miles when I want to move stuff, have off road fun, and use as an 'adventure' vehicle. My MX5 and motorbike are still my daily users.
pothunter
20-12-2006, 20:44
Hey Buckshot
First time I’ve been accused of overweight typing!
The last landy I had I used to strap myself in to stop me falling out of where the door used to be, I’m loving all these mod cons. The first landy had independent switches for each wiper motor and if it rained heavily the wipers made no difference at all and the rain used to come in around the door tops, now I have auto wipers.
When will Land Rover join the 21st century!!!!
Just though Id through some petrol on the fire.
When will Land Rover join the 21st century!!!!.
Well they are getting better, but I dont think BMW have anything to worry about.
Mine doesnt leak, it has a radio, electric windows, remote central locking, PAS, immobiliser and alarm, heated rear screen, rear wash/wipe and the heater actually works.
If you get the defender XS, you also get aircon, CD autochanger, half leather trim, heated windscreen, heated mirrors, antilock brakes, traction control and indipendant heated front seats as standard.
Not bad. :)
pothunter
21-12-2006, 08:11
Martyn
John Deer have been offering all that since oh about 1980, sorry I'll stop now before the Landy owners put out a contract.
Buckshot
21-12-2006, 08:50
Mine doesnt leak,
So you've got it!
I wondered who had the only Landy not to get you wet when sitting in it !!!
Spacemonkey, mpg wise, Mine's a 3.5 V8 so I get about 14 to the gallon! :eek:
The good thing is I do about the same miles or less as Martyn in mine a year so I can cope with it
Mark
Bootstrap Bob
21-12-2006, 09:12
SpaceMonkey
I'll let you know some dates for the new year when they are available. For your information I get about 28mpg on a long drive but not when I'm doing things like this:
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/data/500/medium/Wales.jpg
wingstoo
21-12-2006, 10:11
Spacemonkey, mpg wise, Mine's a 3.5 V8 so I get about 14 to the gallon! :eek:
The good thing is I do about the same miles or less as Martyn in mine a year so I can cope with it
Mark
Mine is the same engine size in a 110, I converted to LPG, saves a bit on fuel costs and less emmisions.
LS
Nice pics, bring them on! Is that part of the Ridgeway on the Marlborough Downs?
the last two were taken on sailsbury plain not far from Stonehenge, having said that this was before the change in classification of the green lanes so im not sure if they are legally driveable now.
And as for all the mod cons my stereo is good, and my right arm seems to cope quite well with winding down the window, the interior seems to keep resonably dry :umbrella:
and people always seem to come over to say hello, there are not many cars that break down barriers like that! :drive:
Martyn, that is a very, very good reasoning and a cogent response. If only all the 'antis' could be so reasonable and, dare I say it, grown up about it. Well done sir!
Ok, please, no more of that... back to the beasts in question.
Pignut, I was not aware of the alternator prob. Do they all suffer or is there a mod to prevent this? Is a 2" lift easy on the Shogun/Pajero? Have you driven a 200/300TDi Landy and if so can you compare the performance or the way they drive? Do you know a good owner's club website or similar for them where I can get info? What is that lever near the bonnet release that looks like a choke lever? Surely not....?
At the mo' I am torn between a 90 200TDi, a Freelander, a Delica or a Pajero/Shogun or a P38 diesel Rangey. If i get the 90 it will be modded in the way I described originally and used as a summer plaything, with a cheaper 4x4 to back it up. Whatever I buy it is for minimal miles when I want to move stuff, have off road fun, and use as an 'adventure' vehicle. My MX5 and motorbike are still my daily users.
From what I am aware of the alternator problem affects all Shogun/Pajero. there are loads of after market alternators that solve the problem (Though some can be expensive!)
The 2" lift was already on the shogun when I bought it (Though I am told they are easy enough (Higher lifts are available but these can cause some troubles)
I have driven most of the newer landrovers (However most have been off road) and can say they are more surefooted off road without a doubt! I think the Shogun would win on the road for outright comfort! (It is like driving an armchair!)
Try this (http://www.plcuk.co.uk/index.php?sid=8c316c71c0817df7 29527fda3720a8a1) site, they are a good bunch!
We've joined the even-darker-dark-side with a Santana PS10
long wheel base 110 sized but no sideways seats and no rear side windows
2.8 Iveco common rail turbo
BMW gearbox
parabolic suspension (think S3 landie)
30ish MPG, 70 on the motorway and pulls 3.5ton
selectable 2wd/4wd/4wdLR
downsides:
iffy build quality, ford transit interior, turning circle only slightly smaller than QE2
will get some photo's this weekend if the ruddy fog lifts
Spacemonkey
21-12-2006, 23:21
Bootstrap, I'll appreciate that! Thanks very much! ;)
Lou, I think Wiltshire are quite good with their green lanes being mostly BOATS (green crosses on the OS) and so are still drivable quite legally, but the local councils can put up TROs and close them for whatever reason they dream up. I can't imagine this going down well on the Plain...
Pignut, Thanks for that info. I've always admired the styling of the Shogun/Pajero, so I'll have to blag a ride in one of them too at some stage. Do you think with the rear seats folded, a 6'2" lanky sod could sleep in the back of a LWB? Is the auto a hinderance off road when for example descending on the engine braking ? Sorry to pick on you, but you're the only Mitsi owner so far! ;)
Spacemonkey,
Great pictures of your Daihatsu
Had one till 2 weeks ago. As you say they just keep going when others get stuck.
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Pignut, Thanks for that info. I've always admired the styling of the Shogun/Pajero, so I'll have to blag a ride in one of them too at some stage. Do you think with the rear seats folded, a 6'2" lanky sod could sleep in the back of a LWB? Is the auto a hinderance off road when for example descending on the engine braking ? Sorry to pick on you, but you're the only Mitsi owner so far! ;)[/QUOTE]
You may be able to sleep in the back at an angle! if you see what I mean! I will be having the back seats down over the next couple of days so I will give it a go and get back to you!
As for the Auto it is no problem at all! there is a low gear selector (1 and 2) on the auto box this coupled with low ratio 4WD is very slow even on the steepest mudy slopes
Dont worry about the questions! That is the point of the forum! :D
Bootstrap, I'll appreciate that! Thanks very much! ;)
Lou, I think Wiltshire are quite good with their green lanes being mostly BOATS (green crosses on the OS) and so are still drivable quite legally, but the local councils can put up TROs and close them for whatever reason they dream up. I can't imagine this going down well on the Plain...
Pignut, Thanks for that info. I've always admired the styling of the Shogun/Pajero, so I'll have to blag a ride in one of them too at some stage. Do you think with the rear seats folded, a 6'2" lanky sod could sleep in the back of a LWB? Is the auto a hinderance off road when for example descending on the engine braking ? Sorry to pick on you, but you're the only Mitsi owner so far! ;)
Hi Nick.....I have a Mitsi Shotgun as well as my 110 landy....You can sleep in the back, though its a tight fit, length wise and I am only 5' 10", you may be uncomfortable. Also if you have any gear with you, it will all have to go into the front two seats, so bear that in mind...I have had nothing but trouble with my shotgun too, had the heads done twice before and it is now drinking far too much oil, which is telling me, the heads still arn't right, cos it ain't dripping any oil. It is definately a very comfortable and well equipped car. An auto box is better to have for off roading, rather than a manual. The shotgun has a superb auto box, you can move between hi and low ratio when moving, which you cannot in the landy (well mine you can't), maybe the newer ones you can..? I have found the shotgun to be rubbish off road, even with the diffs locked, but then mine is a LWB and has road tyres on it. The type of tyres are everything for offroading as you probably know.
This is the best off roader I have owned, Suzuki sj, with axle over conversion, 31" mud tyres..I had fun in this....
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6435/allsorts931or8.jpg
For serious through rivers up cliffs etc off roading I would say the shogun is probably not the car for the job... but for everyday off roading (As I call it) through the terrain in my pictures there is no problem at all with the (Though as stated road tyers would be a No No!)
:lmao:
British Red
22-12-2006, 14:15
Spacemonkey,
If you can get one, the old Colorado Landcruisers were awesome. Same engine and a lot of parts as the Hi-Lux pickup. And you know even Clarkson couldn't kill that :D
I've done pushing 70k in that. Other than routine servicing, I've replaced the tyres and three bulbs. And it wasn't new when I got it.
Loved our Landy but we were forever fixing something. Definitely the mutts nuts offroad the LRs but for sheer reliability and unstopability, you have to go a long way to beat a Toyota
Red
Spacemonkey,
If you can get one, the old Colorado Landcruisers were awesome. Same engine and a lot of parts as the Hi-Lux pickup. And you know even Clarkson couldn't kill that :D
I've done pushing 70k in that. Other than routine servicing, I've replaced the tyres and three bulbs. And it wasn't new when I got it.
Loved our Landy but we were forever fixing something. Definitely the mutts nuts offroad the LRs but for sheer reliability and unstopability, you have to go a long way to beat a Toyota
Red
70k Pah!
The shogun has done 170k!!! with 1 new alternator and a water pump!
It drives as sweet as a nut and starts first time everytime!
Toyota!!!! Pah!!
Mitsi all the wat baby!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :naughty:
Spacemonkey
22-12-2006, 19:20
:lmao:
My MX5 is over 200k now... and NOTHING has gone wrong at all... and I've had it since it had 65k on the clock... every mile was thrashed. I just love Jap motors, much, MUCH more reliable than the rubbish I've had from Stuttgart and Munich. A Landy I could forgive, because, well, it's a Landy and you expect that!
Cousin has a Hilux Surf and that's really ace, and pretty good in the mud too. They're a bit overpriced I think though. Shogun/Pajeros are bad enough!
Interesting that the Shogun doesn't get 'rated' off road. Shame, as this is an important consideration. My Sporty (thanks Bod!!) has only road tyres on it (Eagle GA ??) and only slid sideways a couple of times in the really wet slurry, but has gone through a few gravel streams as well with no hint of slippage. I guess I'll really have to try a shogun then. Jon, what mpg do you think you were getting? Same is Pignut?
havingagiraffe
28-12-2006, 18:14
I think the only snag would be the one piece doors with the roll down windows
1958 to 1984 civilian two piece doors will fit the 200 Tdi but the door check straps won't line up (replaced mine with steel cable and u-bolts) and you'll need to fit the 1958 to 1984 receiver for the door catch. Some very late (1983-84?) two piece civilian doors come with anti burst locks which will work with the standard 200 tdi receiver. The anti burst doors have the keyhole in the main body of the door rather than in the handle recess as on the non anti burst doors.
1985 to 1988 civilian 90 and 110 doors look as though they're two piece but they're not.
There is a company that makes the tops as the original ones dissolve over the years and then the glass falls out! I saw them at Sodbury Sortout some years ago and was impressed with the quality. They are made for all Series and the 90/110 split door models. So perhaps this idea is not as difficult as I thought. Just legwork oh, and glass..... etc!
Early civilian 110s and all military 90s and 110s have aluminium door tops which are way better than the steel framed aluminium clad door tops fitted to Series II/IIA/III models. The aluminium ones can be identified as they have the leading edges of both panes of glass cut at an angle. The steel door tops have the front pane cut at an angle while the rear pane is rectangular.
havingagiraffe
28-12-2006, 18:22
.
Basically, I'm toying with the idea of a 90 TD/200TDi (preferably 200 TDi) set up like the old style Jeep with folding screen, no doors or roof. Bit like an RDV.
Don't buy this one, cos it was stolen off my driveway last New Year's Eve. :(
http://i13.tinypic.com/2uzf59u.jpg
Actually, if you do see it you should buy it, cos it was a cracking truck. ;)
:lmao:
My MX5 is over 200k now... and NOTHING has gone wrong at all... and I've had it since it had 65k on the clock... every mile was thrashed. I just love Jap motors, much, MUCH more reliable than the rubbish I've had from Stuttgart and Munich. A Landy I could forgive, because, well, it's a Landy and you expect that!
Cousin has a Hilux Surf and that's really ace, and pretty good in the mud too. They're a bit overpriced I think though. Shogun/Pajeros are bad enough!
Interesting that the Shogun doesn't get 'rated' off road. Shame, as this is an important consideration. My Sporty (thanks Bod!!) has only road tyres on it (Eagle GA ??) and only slid sideways a couple of times in the really wet slurry, but has gone through a few gravel streams as well with no hint of slippage. I guess I'll really have to try a shogun then. Jon, what mpg do you think you were getting? Same is Pignut?
Sorry Nick, missed this....I got about 18 to a gallon out of my v6, but at the mo its drinking fuel real bad, it needs a good tune up. I did once get from horsham, nr gatwick to stranraer in Scotland on one tank of fuel. At the mo, I am only getting about 300 to 350 miles out of a full tank, which costs £70 to fill.... Shoguns are pretty cheap these days, as all the pajero's came in and flooded the market...
Martyn mentioned that his clutch was heavy to operate and this has come up in a conversation recently whilst pulling a LR gearbox apart and comparing notes with various clutch assemblys.
There is an aftermarket fitting for the late type of clutch pedal. This is NOT the pedal made from channel but made from flat bar. It looks similar to the brake pedal. There is a bracket and spring assembly that fits and works on the 'over center' principal similar to a sidestand on a motorcycle. The spring assisting at a certain point when depressing the pedal.
Sorry can't help more than this as I walk around in circles anyway so it won't make much difference!
Thanks to havingagiraffe for more window info too.
Swyn.
Martyn mentioned that his clutch was heavy to operate and this has come up in a conversation recently whilst pulling a LR gearbox apart and comparing notes with various clutch assemblys.
There is an aftermarket fitting for the late type of clutch pedal. This is NOT the pedal made from channel but made from flat bar. It looks similar to the brake pedal. There is a bracket and spring assembly that fits and works on the 'over center' principal similar to a sidestand on a motorcycle. The spring assisting at a certain point when depressing the pedal.
Sorry can't help more than this as I walk around in circles anyway so it won't make much difference!
Thanks to havingagiraffe for more window info too.
Swyn.
I've started to get used to it now Swyn. I think part of the problem was my old and rather bad driving habbit of riding the clutch all the time. That's very hard work in my td5. I dont know if it's true of all landies, but the td5 is very much designed to be controlled with the fly-by-wire throttle, not the clutch. For example, it will slowly creep up a steep hill - if you gently take your feet off all the pedals, the ECU takes over throttle control and creeps the landrover forwards - even if you apply light braking to try and force a stall, the engine compensates and pushes harder to avoid the stall until you ease off the brake and then the engine backs off. It works in second gear too (I havent tried 3rd). Also, the throttle response and travel changes depending on whether you are in high or low ratio. In high ratio, the ECU gives most of the power in the first 30% of travel, but in low range, the ECU switches to a much more linear throttle setting. It's taken me quite a bit of getting used to, but I'm now controling the vehicle with 95% engine and 5% clutch, whereas before it was closer to 50:50. Though you can overide all of this by just cracking on with your own thing - the ECU just lets you get on with it. Although I didnt like the heavy clutch at first, it has forced me to adopt better driving habbits. I think had the clutch been very light, then I would've continued to drive on the clutch all the time.
I think my leg muscles have grown used to it too, anyway I dont really notice it now. :)
Spacemonkey
07-01-2007, 22:48
Quick update...
A kindly neighbour let me loose in his L400 Delica today around the New Forest. Very comfy on road, and suprisingly quick off the mark. Much better than I thought it would be! Took it through a ford that was very flooded and it went through easily like it was just a puddle. My MX5 went through earlier and the bow-wave came over the roof!! I kid you not... Took it on a long potholed flooded gravel/muddy track I know and it was ace. Far, far more comfy than my Sporty. As said, stuck in 1 it had good engine braking, and awesome brakes. Seems wider than it is, and took some getting used to before I was happy with it as it is no wider than a normal car, yet you think it will be. Anyway, the knob that looks like a choke pull is actually a hand throttle to raise the tickover or whathave you. Great for jumpstarting another car etc. Overall, very impressed. I imagine the Pajero is the same.
Nathan Sturgess
08-01-2007, 12:16
Just for the LR doubters, we were out greenlaning and saw some upgraded shoguns struggling on lanes that we were gliding up in standard 90s 110s and a disco. Standard Suzuki SJs and other lighter offroaders are good through mud but terrible over rocks or up hills because they bounce all over the place, so much that you need a roll cage if going up steep hills. Also at an RTV the other week there was a shogun getting stuck in knee deep mud that a defenders on road tyres got through easy, discos stuggled a bit because of the weight. Land Rovers are generally reliable since the 200tdi models. This is my opinion though, and you may not agree.
British Red
08-01-2007, 12:30
Was with you right up to the point about "Land Rovers are generally reliable". As a person who has had more than one, and Toyota Land Crusiers for decades, I'd say I've had 10 Land Rover problems for every one Toyota one. They are unsurpassed off road, no doubt about it, and the simplicity of their construction is a joy. Build quality could and should be improved though. Still worth having, but it is an issue worth considering if ultimate reliability is the goal
Red
The land rover may have a history of poor reliability and it may be well founded, but most of the Landcruisers I see on the roads today, seem to be made after 1990, on the other hand, most of the Land Rovers seem to be at least that old. Maybe it's just that the other makes have historically reached the point of economic write-offs, before they get old and battered enough to be known as unreliable? I think if you are assessing reliability, you have to compare year for year, new for new or old for old to be fair. Dont really hear folks moaning about Td5 reliability and it's been around for 8 or 9 years now.
Nathan Sturgess
08-01-2007, 12:54
A very good point, my dad has a 1952 series one that is still running. Land Cruisers are reliable but seem to have a use by date on them
It'll be interesting to see what happens with the new 2007 "Ford" Defender with it's transit powerplant and ford-designed interior.
British Red
08-01-2007, 13:07
Try looking at Landcruisers in some of the gulf states! I won't even bring up the longevity of Hilux trucks!
Red
You are probably right Red, still dont see many of these on the road though...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e8/TBJ40.JPG
Nathan Sturgess
08-01-2007, 13:32
The vehicles in the gulf states don't have to put up with constant wet though. And you probably see more same age series Land Rovers on the road over here.
It is up to personal choice and opinion really.
Silverback
08-01-2007, 14:23
This is my heavily modified old girl, she has a pivoting waterproof roof that lifts up to give adequate head room for all weather vermin control. weather treated hessian side flaps roll up to keep out the driving wind and rain when necessary. She has (fox/rabbit) carrying boxes fitted at the front and rear with bottom drainage. The seats have been removed inside on one side to the rear to make room for 'gear' and there are umpteen lamp sockets inside for all manner of lamps of different colours and powers. There are two gun carrying boxes fitted on either side at the top to ensure that both big and small rifles are always close at hand when needed. The bull bars on the front are home made and I wouldn't fancy a bulldozers chances let alone a bull :D We call her 'The Verminator' and she has earnt herself quite a reputation locally among keepers and farmers alike :) . She took eight years of trial and error before she became the ultimate lamping vehicle but now she is spot on and I have yet to see another one like her!
I appreciate that the photo may not be to everyone's taste so I will understand if the mods deem that it should be moved/removed
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/uzi9mm/Untitled-1copy.jpg
havingagiraffe
08-01-2007, 15:32
Thanks to havingagiraffe for more window info too.
Swyn.
You're welcome. :)
havingagiraffe
08-01-2007, 15:33
most of the Landcruisers I see on the roads today, seem to be made after 1990, on the other hand, most of the Land Rovers seem to be at least that old. Maybe it's just that the other makes have historically reached the point of economic write-offs, before they get old and battered enough to be known as unreliable?
Toyota have never officially imported utility Landcruisers into the UK, and they only started importing smaller turbocharged diesels in the late eighties which probably explains why there aren't many about. Elsewhere in the world there are lots of twenty to thirty year old Landcruisers still working. http://www.trademe.co.nz/browse/searchresults.aspx?searchstrin g=landcruiser&searchregion=100&searchtype=all&&page=2&sort_order= I did consider buying a Landscruiser after I sold my Td5 110 but decided on a 90 instead as Land Rover spares are much cheaper....this is the point where the Delcia fan club will probably say "But if you went Japanese you wouldn't need to keep on replacing faulty components..." :D Toyota don't seem to sell Landcruisers in India, instead they sell the Qualis which is a less macho but much more economical alternative...http://auto.indiamart.com/cars/toyota-qualis/
havingagiraffe
08-01-2007, 15:44
Toyota don't seem to sell Landcruisers in India, instead they sell the Qualis which is a less macho but much more economical alternative...http://auto.indiamart.com/cars/toyota-qualis/
These are more fun...http://www.mahindra.com/mahindras/automotive/NC640DP.htm usually seen with unfeasibly large mesh cage bolted to the back to increase carrying capacity. Folding windscreen as standard :) but less than half the power of a 110 :(
These are more fun...http://www.mahindra.com/mahindras/automotive/NC640DP.htm usually seen with unfeasibly large meash cage bolted to the back to increase carrying capacity. Folding windscreen as standard :) but less than half the power of a 110 :(
My goodness, Mahindra, that takes me back - they use to have a "red indian" as their logo IIRC, presumable because that was a cooler type of "indian"? Anyway, even the guy who worked in the dealership I knew reaconed they were a bag of c**p.
Land Rovers break but are cheap and easy to fix, are easy to modify and change around. Plus they have/had better articulation in factory form which is why they only fitted central diff lock, while Toyota, Merc fitted front and back lockers.
However, Japanese cars are very reliable but are expenisve to fix when (and eventually there is a when) they break.
The Defender (and Series in its time) up until the TD5 and its awful gearing is just about the best utility 4x4 off road in standard trim. However the basic Land Cruisers are about the best compromise 4x4 very good off road and reliable (and that is from a die hard Landy owner)
I dunno if anyone has seen these yet but...
New 2007 model defender at the Paris motorshow...
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/Martyn_s30v/landy/new/01.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/Martyn_s30v/landy/new/02.jpg
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http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/Martyn_s30v/landy/new/05.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/Martyn_s30v/landy/new/06.jpg
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/Martyn_s30v/landy/new/07.jpg
Check out that dash layout. :eek:
Martyn - is that you that has just posted about the OBD interface over on Difflock?
I like the pic Silverback :D . I still have my fathers ex army series 3 lightweight for shooting as the doors lift off easily so we can leap out after squirells, and as it is petrol it is very QUIET! I have not modified it at all apart from electronic ignition and rebuilt mechanics. It is still lovely to drive and sails through its MOT every year. It has been in the family from its demob in 1980 so is genuine too. We had a choice of 30 and picked the best one. (HQ no 3)
I had a super set of studded ex Nato Michelin tyres but sadly were not really allowed on the road according to the MOT station so I had to pick them all out.... This took a very long time as you could imagine! Also very sore hands.
I have just seen Martyns post of the new LR.... Interesting....Cheers!
Swyn.
Martyn - is that you that has just posted about the OBD interface over on Difflock?
Blimmin eck, small world - yes mate. :)
good crowd over there.
Once you got a few posts in you should be able to organise some poeple to go laning or off roading with.
If you ever get up to Yorkshire I could show you some decent lanes.
Bushman_Brett
08-01-2007, 17:33
if ur worried about pollution then why not convert to lpg, that or use one the new things the insurance companys are coming up with where they donate some of the cash to green projects, counter acting ur emissions.
Landys are cool, but notorious for the odd part falling off from somewhere on the car :))
good crowd over there.
Once you got a few posts in you should be able to organise some poeple to go laning or off roading with.
If you ever get up to Yorkshire I could show you some decent lanes.
That sounds like great fun mate, but be careful, I might just take you up on it. ;) :D
It's costing me loads though...
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/Martyn_s30v/landy/charlie01.jpg
So far, a pair of roof bars added, swapped the tow ball for a 3.5 ton dixon-bate, steering guard, swapped the plastic rad grille for a steel one, front light guards, a bunch of shckles, slings and ropes and I've got a scorpion steel cubby on the way. ...oh and a breather tube extension kit.
....and I havent got me tyres yet. :eek:
fair enough.
Pity there is now where really for a camp out in the woods around there. it can be done but it is hit and miss with the land owners.
fair enough.
Pity there is now where really for a camp out in the woods around there. it can be done but it is hit and miss with the land owners.
Well, there is lots of green near by, but it's all posh, inhabited kind of green. You are OK walking through, but ya cant camp really. At least not like up your way.
Dunno about the GL yet. I think the nearest good ones are Ashbourne and Shropshire, but I'm still trying to figure out all these downloadable maps and things. There is a local LR club though, I was gonna hook up with them and take it from there.
Martyn
I was think about the Dales - no much scope for woodland camping there. Some nice spots for Moor land camping if you are discrete.
Do you have Memory Map? As I've got some Dales and Lakes info.
Martyn
I was think about the Dales - no much scope for woodland camping there. Some nice spots for Moor land camping if you are discrete.
Do you have Memory Map? As I've got some Dales and Lakes info.
No, just the stuff that came with me Garmin and I think it's propietry software. But I think I could get me hands on a copy though. :)
Spacemonkey
08-01-2007, 20:30
The new 110 is quite nice, but looks like you might get a bit wet in there..
havingagiraffe
08-01-2007, 20:40
My goodness, Mahindra, that takes me back - they use to have a "red indian" as their logo IIRC, presumable because that was a cooler type of "indian"? Anyway, even the guy who worked in the dealership I knew reaconed they were a bag of c**p.
As a Land Rover owner, I'm interested in anything slower, bouncier and less reliable just so I can gloat :) I think the red Indian logo and the Indian Brave stickers were references to the American Cherokee Jeep. The current Mahindras have better build quality..not in the same league as an L200 or a Defender, but not bad for under ten grand.
The new 110 is quite nice, but looks like you might get a bit wet in there..
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Spacemonkey
08-01-2007, 22:46
Didn't the Aussie army use Mahindras at one stage?
havingagiraffe
08-01-2007, 23:21
Didn't the Aussie army use Mahindras at one stage?
I think the Australian airforce used locally assembled civilian spec CKD Willys CJ 3Bs as airfield tenders. These look very much like Mahindras but have a petrol engine and slightly different wings. The Australian Army trialled Military spec (M series) Jeeps in the late fifties but rejected them in favour of Series II Land Rovers. I don't think the army used Mahindras, but I could well be wrong :dunno: . I'm sure some of the military kit geeks :AR15firin on here will correct me if I am. Mahindra tried to sell Jeeps painted olive green with khaki soft tops to the Australian civilian market about ten years ago but didn't have much success. I don't think they could compete with 3.0/4.2 turbo diesel Landcruisers and 2.5 turbo diesel/3.9 naturally aspirated diesel Land Rovers which had roughly twice the power of the 2.1 non turbo Peugeot diesel engines fitted to the Mahindra.
Some Indian market Mahindras have a three litre diesel engine, power steering and five speed transmission. One of these would be quite useful, but importing one's a bit of a nightmare :( . The Indian government have recently introduced a rule which prevents foreigners from registering vehicles in India, and the vehicle would have to be inspected and type approved (SVA'd) before being allowed on European roads. Shame really, as they look quite funky.
As a Land Rover owner, I'm interested in anything slower, bouncier and less reliable just so I can gloat :) I think the red Indian logo and the Indian Brave stickers were references to the American Cherokee Jeep.
Ahhh, that's it, I remember now. Wasn't it some kind of licenced remake of the original Willy's jeep?
http://home.fonline.de/fo0107/mahindra/mahindra_ff.jpg
http://foto.spullenbank.nl/common/img/00/00/03/94/_T39484.jpg
Buckshot
09-01-2007, 08:54
I dunno if anyone has seen these yet but...
New 2007 model defender at the Paris motorshow...
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i273/Martyn_s30v/landy/new/05.jpg
:eek:
Looks OK but I'm not sure about the weather proofing again :lmao:
Looks OK but I'm not sure about the weather proofing again :lmao:
Apparently, it's a new design - semi-soft-top - there's a hood for the right side. :D
havingagiraffe
24-03-2007, 00:58
Ahhh, that's it, I remember now. Wasn't it some kind of licenced remake of the original Willy's jeep?
Classic Indian overtaking... :drive: :togo:
http://www.film.queensu.ca/Cj3b/Video/JeepPassing.mov
Spacemonkey
22-06-2007, 22:12
yay! Found the forum again.. thought it was lost forever..
Anyway, I bought a 4x4 and I chose to follow.....
PIGNUT!
Yep, got a 2.8LWB Pajero for a real bargain price.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/DSC00210.jpg
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/DSC00209.jpg
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/DSC00211.jpg
The rear seats fold flat to make a bed of sorts that I can sleep on lengthways (I'm 6'2") if the front seat is far forward and my feet overhang.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/DSC00143.jpg
Now keeps the others company..
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/DSC00139.jpg
Anyone want to buy a Kamper..? ;)
So far have only been on two mild green lane trips as it is still standard and i don't have the recovery equipment yet, nor always a following vehicle, so I only take it where i have ridden my dirtbike first to check it out in advance. Got an off road pay and play day in 2 weeks time... So far, it hasn't even hinted at coming unstuck. The river was about 2 foot deep in the middle and it was fine. The final little play area was a heck of a lot steeper than it looked- the camera doesn't catch it well. The only bit to deck out was the tow hitch.
This wa smy mates very first time driving off road, hence easy and very slow.. (turn down volume if sense of humour deficient.. ;) been dying to use that track for something!! :D )
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/Videos/th_PajeroontheLanes.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/Videos/?action=view¤t=PajeroontheLanes.flv)
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/Videos/th_SalisburyPlainLanes16-06-07part1.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/Videos/?action=view¤t=SalisburyPlainLanes16-06-07part1.flv)
and part 2
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/Videos/th_SalisburyPlainLanes16-06-07part2.jpg (http://s53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/spacemonkey_mk1/Videos/?action=view¤t=SalisburyPlainLanes16-06-07part2.flv)
All in, I'm VERY pleased with it. It is solid as a rock and fairly economical. I'm running it on 70% diesel, 30% veg oil from Tescos, which saves about £20 for a full tank, and at that mix ratio has no adverse effect and needs no mods. As of the end of this month, as long as you use no more than 2500 litres of veg oil a year as fuel you do not need to register with Customs and Excise and do not need to pay tax. You DO have to keep receipts though so that you can keep an eye on quantities and prove you are a small user.
Mitsubishi-:You_Rock_
ps, still want an open Landy as well next year...
Looks like fun!
Where have you been BTW, thought it had been quiet for a while!
Do you have a link to the legislation about the veg oil, sounds interesting!
Spacemonkey
23-06-2007, 15:03
Hi Goose..
Check out the thread here with all the relevant HM C&E links:
http://www.pocuk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=64944
Several people have phoned them direct and been told the same answer.
Normally, most diesels will run 75/25% veg all year without mods, and 50/50% during the summer. Some fuel pumps don't like the thicker oil so do some online research for your relevant vehicle. It appears that by adding 1 litre of white spirit to 20 litres of veg oil, it chemically thins it after about 5 days. This has no adverse effects on the vehicle.
It is also worth noting that veg oil is one of the cleanest fuels for vehicles as far as so called green house gases are concerend, so worth it if that bothers you. It will also lower emissions for MOTs. Performance is not effected and it actually cleans the system, so many folk change the fuel filter after the first tank or two. It also runs quieter. Diesel engines were originally invented to run on peanut oil untilt he oil barons got involved, so this is nothing new.