Build a Bucksaw (Competition registration)

[British Red]

Some of you may remember a thread we did a short while ago entitled "pimp my firesteel"

It all came from a discussion about how to handle your own firesteel

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/community/showthread.php?t=12957

In turn it spawned a competition with a prize kindly donated by Graham - won with a beautiful "faux" tortoiseshell number made by Marts

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/community/showthread.php?t=15066

Well a recent thread started to discuss the ease, simplicity or otherwise of building a bucksaw (think a collapsible bowsaw that can fit in a bergan).

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/community/showthread.php?t=17086

So here we are again...time for a competiton. For all of us who think "wow thats hard to do", hopefully the entries will encourage us to have a try

For all of those who think "simple as...don't get what the fuss is all about"..here's an opportunity to win a small prize and show the rest of us how its done.

Anyone interested in entering, stick your name on the thread and please, show us both "how" you built it and the end result.

Prize will come from me...I'll think of something....I have a couple of interesting and under used axes if anyone would like another axe to play with :confused: :lmao:

OKay...entrants have a couple of weeks to stick a post on here

Anyone up for the challenge?

Red ;)

Oh and in answer to the questions raised, sure you can buy a blade :rolleyes: and any other bolts or whatever you need. If you want to make one out of aluminium or GRP, thats fine too - the more variety the better - lets let our imaginations run riot here

Photos of all entry pieces to be posted on this thread by January 31st - best 10 will then go forward to the "final" to be voted on by the board

[Wayland]

I'm in for this one. :D

[falling rain]

Yup.....I'm in. Although Wayland has got me seriously worried already, talking about making his own blade :eek: ..........oh well in for a penny in for a pound :beerchug:

[weaver]

I've been asked to make one for a friend so I may as well put a photo in the competition. That'll put a rush on it then!

Can't wait to see all the entries. :lurk:

p.s.

Are we limited to one entry? I have a couple ideas to try.

P.P.S.

When is the deadline? I have to carve some squirrels first.

[Wayland]

Nah I'll use a shop blade this time so don't worry .... ;)

[British Red]

Excellent :D

Okay, heres a prize possible if anyone would like such a thing?

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/9083/marbleszx9.jpg

This is a Marbles no.9 hunters axe. Double bit and re-ground into a Nessmuk grind and polished up a bit by me. I've oil finished the handle too. It has a leather belt mask to keep it safe.

The winner will be selected by poll of the members. If there are more than 10 entries with supporting photos (the maximum number in a poll) then we'll shortlist 10 for the "finals"

Hope that suits as a token prize?

Red

[British Red]

Weaver,

Absolutely no limit on the number of entries - the more the merrier for me - this is about trying stuff out and sharing ideas and just plain "having a go and showing what we can do"

Red

[Rod]

I'm up for this

[Aaron]

As am I chaps :cool:

[Stew]

I've been intending to make a bucksaw for a while and seeing Rod's on the other thread inspired me to get on with it - this is even more motivation!

[spamel]

Ooooooooh!!! Nice axe!!! I'm gonna have to have a go, where do we post bribes to????? ;)

:D

[demographic]

Just as a matter of interest, how long is the standard blade on one of those?

Centre to centre on the holes that is.

[British Red]

There are a variety of lengths available mate 21" 24" and 30" are common

[Goose]

P.P.S.

When is the deadline? I have to carve some squirrels first.
Doesn't that get a little messy? :yikes:

[British Red]

Doesn't that get a little messy? :yikes:
No mate its a very frugal past time ;)

Weaver,

Lets say a deadline of the end of January to make the saw although earlier pictures to keep the thread alive would be great!

Red

[demographic]

There are a variety of lengths available mate 21" 24" and 30" are common
Ta muchly :)

[chrisanson]

i will have a go :)
chris

[Aragorn]

i'm in, how hard can it be :rolleyes: , anyway someone's got to come last :D

[OldJimbo]

Snow is deep here, but I've been eying some broken maple chairs which have had fifty years of seasoning... I'll leave you guys to win the hatchet, but i am interested in making a frame which is very deep. With that I can cut better sections from trunk/root parts of driftwood as with Dick Prenneke. Very tough curly grain in those.
Hint - a look on ebay in collectibles -tools-woodworking-saws will show some neat long tenon designs and double braced designs to copy...

[sam_acw]

any good sources for the blades? This is really the first time the idea has occurred to me and i've nover looked before :eek:
Just hopeing someone else has done all the hard work :o

[British Red]

sam,

Most hardware stores over here sell replacement blades. I have no idea on the situation in Poland, but I'm happy to post one over to you if you can't find one

Red

[OldJimbo]

With all the money saved, people might just want to think of one of these for the bigger jobs - at least I'm thinking about one..
bigsaw (http://store.crownsurplus.com/product_info.php?currency=USD&products_id=337)

[British Red]

Now that's a saw :D

[OldJimbo]

We'll see. The thing is that I do have a huge Husky chainsaw that despite being thought of as a bucking saw here will take a 36" bar and cut just about anything. It's just a pain to carry it anywhere, especially down the trails for clearing. Even a big bowsaw can be a pain to carry, so I might just get serious about making up some big frames.
I think we'll learn a lot from the competition you've got going, Red. I've sure learned a lot from basic sharpening, and I suspect that some good information will come out about frames now. It always amazes me how much there is to old tools, and how much information is forgotten. Thanks for setting it up!

[demographic]

We'll see. The thing is that I do have a huge Husky chainsaw that despite being thought of as a bucking saw here will take a 36" bar and cut just about anything. It's just a pain to carry it anywhere, especially down the trails for clearing. Even a big bowsaw can be a pain to carry, so I might just get serious about making up some big frames.
I think we'll learn a lot from the competition you've got going, Red. I've sure learned a lot from basic sharpening, and I suspect that some good information will come out about frames now. It always amazes me how much there is to old tools, and how much information is forgotten. Thanks for setting it up!

The main thing I learned from sharpening my Tenon saw at college was that its time consuming, it wasn't hard to do, just boring.

That included flatting the teeth off first to make sure they were all at the same height and re-setting them.

One of those things that I did just to have a go so I knew how to do it but not the kind of thing I would do regularly unless I had no choice.

[JohnC]

I'd like to give it a go..

[weaver]

Doesn't that get a little messy? :yikes:


It may well! Here's the start.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y294/frugalweaver/SquirrelCarve.jpg

[OldJimbo]

Wow that squirrel is going to be gorgeous! I see thee's some real woodworking competition brewing!

"it wasn't hard to do, just boring."
Bow saw blades are a bit more tricky because of the raker design, and the fact that they're used on woods with very different characteristics. The problem is that the best frame design deserves a blade to match - and blades seem to be made to fit a price rather than for quality these days.

[OzaawaaMigiziNini]

I think.... I have a new project... competition still open Red? :D

[British Red]

I think.... I have a new project... competition still open Red? :D
Sure is - I'm delighted so many people want to play!

Thats a good loking squirrel there weaver - but he needs longer ears one might almost think he's an American Grey rather than a handome British Red :D

Red

[Marts]

I'm in for this. Always fancied making a buck saw :)

[sam_acw]

If you get more than 10 you can always have a semi-final round!

[JohnC]

Are you having some kind of "saw-off" for the final
http://www.alaska.net/~design/fair/crosscut.jpg

[Pignut]

If there is still a place in this I will have a crack!

Was thinking of having a go at one anyway!

[weaver]

Sure is - I'm delighted so many people want to play!

Thats a good loking squirrel there weaver - but he needs longer ears one might almost think he's an American Grey rather than a handome British Red :D

Red
I have a piece of Cherry waiting for the next one.

[British Red]

I have a piece of Cherry waiting for the next one.

:eek: You are a busy man - we'd love to see how they turn out mate :D


Red

[British Red]

If you get more than 10 you can always have a semi-final round!
Actually thats not a bad idea Sam - I like the idea of it being "voted on",

I might have to scare up a second prize if there are enough entries (First prize a weekend away with Red...second prize is a fortnight :D)

Please join in Pignut - it wouldn't be right without you chap

Red

[JonnyP]

End of January should give me plenty of time to make one...I'm in.....Got an idea for an unusual one.........

[Klenchblaize]

Excellent :D

Okay, heres a prize possible if anyone would like such a thing?

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/9083/marbleszx9.jpg

This is a Marbles no.9 hunters axe. Double bit and re-ground into a Nessmuk grind and polished up a bit by me. I've oil finished the handle too. It has a leather belt mask to keep it safe.

The winner will be selected by poll of the members. If there are more than 10 entries with supporting photos (the maximum number in a poll) then we'll shortlist 10 for the "finals"

Hope that suits as a token prize?

Red

Damn!

Just bought one of those on e-bay :cussing:

[Big John]

I'm in for that, been meaning to make one for ages and never pulled my finger out, hopefully this is the nudge I needed.

Can't see the pic of the prize here at work, but it sounds great!

Thanks Red,

[Pignut]

Actually thats not a bad idea Sam - I like the idea of it being "voted on",

I might have to scare up a second prize if there are enough entries (First prize a weekend away with Red...second prize is a fortnight :D)

Please join in Pignut - it wouldn't be right without you chap

Red

Cheers mate!!

to the workshop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (or garage as it is otherwise known!)

[Biddlesby]

Are you having some kind of "saw-off" for the final
http://www.alaska.net/%7Edesign/fair/crosscut.jpg

Brilliant :D.

[spamel]

Does nobody else watch eurosport for the sawing and chopping lumberjack competitions? I know I do!!! :D

[British Red]

Sorry Spamel no-one in the world watches Eurosport but you

However I assume you are competing having looked in mate - we do need a member of Her Majesties Finest to help us along (I'll send you a blade if you need one)

Red ;)

[rich59]

I was about to ask what a "Bergan" is but I think I have tracked it down to a make/ type or rusksack.

[spamel]

Timbersports is cool!! And yes, I'm in! I'm gonna get a blade this week and have a blast at the weekend.

[British Red]

Okay heres the entrants so far (so I can keep track)

1/ Wayland
2/ Falling Rain
3/ Weaver
4/ Rod
5/ Aaron
6/ Stew
7/ Spamel
8/ Demographic
9/ Chrisanson
10/ Aragorn
11/ Old Jimbo
12/ sam acw
13/ John C
14/ OzaawaaMigiziNini
15/ Marts
16/ Pignut
17/ Jon Pickett
18/ Big John

Two more will make up two rounds with a "shoot out" at the end

Anyone else?

Red

[kobalt01]

I supose ill give it a go as a nice starter project (i hope) and i can then take last place from Aragorn's hands.

Matt

[British Red]

1/ Wayland
2/ Falling Rain
3/ Weaver
4/ Rod
5/ Aaron
6/ Stew
7/ Spamel
8/ Demographic
9/ Chrisanson
10/ Aragorn
11/ Old Jimbo
12/ sam acw
13/ John C
14/ OzaawaaMigiziNini
15/ Marts
16/ Pignut
17/ Jon Pickett
18/ Big John
19/ kobalt01


Anyone else?

Red

[OzaawaaMigiziNini]

Alright, getting my supplies as we speak.. hey Red, how long do we have? My first Competition on here, and I plan on winning... :D

[British Red]

Till the end of January mate, but some photos of the build process to inspire others would be nice!

[Greywolf]

I'm not entering the comp, but I wanted to have a little go (little being the word)

Here is a picture of a model bucksaw (framesaw) it took 15 minutes to make from cutting the branch to taking the photo.

The blade is a junior hacksaw blade, the frame is made from willow and the tensioner is jute.

http://s126.photobucket.com/albums/p119/Greywolfuk/th_Image004.jpg

Problems encountered are;

the frame wants to 'rack' i.e. twist, so simple peg-in-t'hole joints are a no-no.
the jute although strong isnt beefy enough to get a really good tension.

Models really do help ;)

GW

[Ice Tigre]

G'day Gents,

Could I get in on this?

I figure if I can make a knife, I should be able to make a saw.... (famous last words?)

Besides, I need the hatchet. ;) :D

Gary.

[scanker]

I'll also have a bash at this. Put me down on a reserve list if it's currently full, I'll enjoy having a go at it anyway.

[kobalt01]

Is there a set size saw blade to be used or a maximum size? As i have a 24" one otherwise i will have to go and get one from somewhere

Matt

[British Red]

kobalt,

I think Greywolfs is too small :D

Other than that, any proper sized blade (including your 24") is just dandy

Red

[British Red]

1/ Wayland
2/ Falling Rain
3/ Weaver
4/ Rod
5/ Aaron
6/ Stew
7/ Spamel
8/ Demographic
9/ Chrisanson
10/ Aragorn
11/ Old Jimbo
12/ sam acw
13/ John C
14/ OzaawaaMigiziNini
15/ Marts
16/ Pignut
17/ Jon Pickett
18/ Big John
19/ kobalt01
20/ Ice Tigre
21/ Scanker

any more?

[falling rain]

I've nearly finished my Mk 1 bucksaw (picture in the gallery) still a bit to do on it though. The tensioning toggle is too long and needs finishing and the whole thing needs sanding and the bolts fitting but it's getting there. This won't be the one I enter, I'm going to get some decent wood and do another for the competition

[weaver]

I think Greywolfs is too small :D


I was going to try a smaller one. For sawing tinder you know? I think you need an assortment of saws in the bush, from timber to tinder. May need to do some decorative lace work on a spoon sometime. Always be prepared I say!

[Greywolf]

I think Greywolfs is too small :D


Story of my life ;) :lmao:

GW

[British Red]

I've nearly finished my Mk 1 bucksaw (picture in the gallery) still a bit to do on it though. The tensioning toggle is too long and needs finishing and the whole thing needs sanding and the bolts fitting but it's getting there. This won't be the one I enter, I'm going to get some decent wood and do another for the competition
Mind if I link the picture to this thread falling rain? Give people some encourangement and so on?

GW...you have to do a proper one mate - I'll bung you a blade if that helps as I have a spare one somewhere? Got to get a British Victory or Weaver will nip in with his "Redwood sized" one :D

Red

[Greywolf]

Go on then add me to the list ;)

I'll have a wander up to the local DIY barn tomorrow and grab a blade.

I just wanted to see if my idea would work, hence the model version. Might try it with a couple of different frames too. If I get the chance that is.

*wanders off thinking about how, why, and where*

:D

GW

[Aragorn]

I supose ill give it a go as a nice starter project (i hope) and i can then take last place from Aragorn's hands.

Matt

i'll be fighting you for it mate, could i suggest a prise of a wooden spoon for last place, as long as i don;t have to carve it :lmao:

[falling rain]

Mind if I link the picture to this thread falling rain? Give people some encourangement and so on?

GW...you have to do a proper one mate - I'll bung you a blade if that helps as I have a spare one somewhere? Got to get a British Victory or Weaver will nip in with his "Redwood sized" one :D

Red

No I don't mind at all Red. As I said it's not quite finished yet though. I also want to carve a pattern into the frame and stain it or some kind of art work if I can, and countersink the holes where the cord goes through the frame. The wood is pine from B and Q and cost me a fiver for a 6ft length. Mortice and tenon joint cut with an old hacksaw because I don't have a suitable saw to cut the joints with only a bahco bow saw a lap lander and an opinel saw (present from Buckshot)and they're all a bit rough for doing joints, and the mortice was cut with a carving knife because I don't have a suitable sized chisel. The curve on the cross-beam was measured out carefully and done with my bushcraft knife.Quite chuffed with it so far. Thanks for making me get my a*se in gear Red, by suggesting the competition.

[woodwalker]

why haven't I seen this thread earlier??? :confused:

I am definetly up for it, if there's still room.

cheers for this one Red,

woodwalker

[British Red]

1/ Wayland
2/ Falling Rain
3/ Weaver
4/ Rod
5/ Aaron
6/ Stew
7/ Spamel
8/ Demographic
9/ Chrisanson
10/ Aragorn
11/ Old Jimbo
12/ sam acw
13/ John C
14/ OzaawaaMigiziNini
15/ Marts
16/ Pignut
17/ Jon Pickett
18/ Big John
19/ kobalt01
20/ Ice Tigre
21/ Scanker
22/ Woodwalker

any more?

Ladies and gents, can I take this opportunity to thank you for the positive way you have all risen to this challenge :notworthy ?

Sometimes we tend to focus on debating things a little too much and trying things too little.I'm delighted to see so many people enjoying getting "stuck in" :D

I will confess to having laid hands on some materials to try this for myself (and I revel in the nickname "king klutz" as any of you who have seen the write ups I do can attest). My challenge to myself is another £5 based one - I have to buy all the materials (I may also do one from foraged material) and make a solid saw for under five pounds including the blade. No reason (since I already have enough axes :lmao: ) other than it might make another interesting "how to" with photos and I'm as keen to try ths out as the rest of you!

Thanks again guys!

Red

[British Red]

Ladies and Gents ...the standard is set :yikes:

Here is Falling Rains "prototype" :eek:

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/data/503/medium/Pict3057.jpg

I may not bother with mine now ;) :D

[Greywolf]

any more?

You missed me! ;) :D


GW

[British Red]

1/ Wayland
2/ Falling Rain
3/ Weaver
4/ Rod
5/ Aaron
6/ Stew
7/ Spamel
8/ Demographic
9/ Chrisanson
10/ Aragorn
11/ Old Jimbo
12/ sam acw
13/ John C
14/ OzaawaaMigiziNini
15/ Marts
16/ Pignut
17/ Jon Pickett
18/ Big John
19/ kobalt01
20/ Ice Tigre
21/ Scanker
22/ Woodwalker
23 Greywolf

;)

:D

[ledamni]

I'll chuck a few ideas in the pot, consider my hand up. See what all those years of university education can come up with.

Have fun.

[British Red]

Evening ledamni and welcome to BCUK! Theres an introduction forum through which you can post all your vegemite loving weirdness :D

1/ Wayland
2/ Falling Rain
3/ Weaver
4/ Rod
5/ Aaron
6/ Stew
7/ Spamel
8/ Demographic
9/ Chrisanson
10/ Aragorn
11/ Old Jimbo
12/ sam acw
13/ John C
14/ OzaawaaMigiziNini
15/ Marts
16/ Pignut
17/ Jon Pickett
18/ Big John
19/ kobalt01
20/ Ice Tigre
21/ Scanker
22/ Woodwalker
23/ Greywolf
24/ ledamni

[falling rain]

Ladies and Gents ...the standard is set :yikes:

Here is Falling Rains "prototype" :eek:

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/data/503/medium/Pict3057.jpg

I may not bother with mine now ;) :D

Actually considering it's cheap pine from B&Q i'm surprised at how robust it feels, and being pine it's quite lightweight. When I'm done with Mk2 I'm going to attempt a leather carry case for the saw. I've never done any leatherwork to speak of before so there's another challenge. :confused:

[queeg9000]

Hello Red,

can you count me in for this too, I've been looking at this for a day or two, then on the way home from work, popped in to B & Q, there in front of me.......Buck saw blades at less than £3 for a 21" or 24"...gotta have a go now! :)

[ledamni]

Evening ledamni and welcome to BCUK! Theres an introduction forum through which you can post all your vegemite loving weirdness :D

Just watch it marmite boy! :D

[Singeblister]

Hi Red I would like to enter this if its not to late :)
I bought a big bowsaw a while ago but its just to big to take out with me SAW ray mears make one of these and wanted to have a go myself for a while.

[OldJimbo]

I sure like the look of that saw, and it's good to hear that it feels robust even with lighter wood. I think we're going to learn lots here!

[OldJimbo]

And not to be forgetting that Greywolf's little saw is really cute!

[British Red]

1/ Wayland
2/ Falling Rain
3/ Weaver
4/ Rod
5/ Aaron
6/ Stew
7/ Spamel
8/ Demographic
9/ Chrisanson
10/ Aragorn
11/ Old Jimbo
12/ sam acw
13/ John C
14/ OzaawaaMigiziNini
15/ Marts
16/ Pignut
17/ Jon Pickett
18/ Big John
19/ kobalt01
20/ Ice Tigre
21/ Scanker
22/ Woodwalker
23/ Greywolf
24/ ledamni
25/ queeg9000
26/ Singeblister

Shall we set the limit to 30? Certainly I think we should stop taking entrants and start making saws at the end of this week ;)

Red

[Marts]

1/ Wayland
2/ Falling Rain
3/ Weaver
4/ Rod
5/ Aaron
6/ Stew
7/ Spamel
8/ Demographic
9/ Chrisanson
10/ Aragorn
11/ Old Jimbo
12/ sam acw
13/ John C
14/ OzaawaaMigiziNini
15/ Marts
16/ Pignut
17/ Jon Pickett
18/ Big John
19/ kobalt01
20/ Ice Tigre
21/ Scanker
22/ Woodwalker
23/ Greywolf
24/ ledamni
25/ queeg9000
26/ Singeblister

Shall we set the limit to 30? Certainly I think we should stop taking entrants and start making saws at the end of this week ;)

Red

Come on Red - you should be in on this too.

I can offer an alternative prize for if you are picked as winner :)

[British Red]

Worry not Marts, I will post a feeble effort, but not as part of the competition..more for........shall we say comedic value?

Red ;)

[loz.]

Ok Count me in !

Although fairly new to carving, and any type of wood work, my spoons arn't too bad, ( mostly teastrainers ) and my latest creation "back Scratcher " for the preggie wife was quite good !

Any rules in this ? ie design - does it have to be traditional style ? i.e. blade, crossbar, and tensioner ? Do we have a minimum blade length ? - i'd quite like to make a mini ala Greywolf's lovely work .


Loz

[British Red]

Loz,

You are in mate. I'm not big on rules - this is all about fun. Sort of "loose guidelines" are

It has to be capable of "practical use" (as in this ain't a model making competition :D ). Now if someone wanted to base one on a 12" wood blade as a sort of "alternative Laplander", thats fine

You can use any materials or design you like but it needs to be collapsible in some fashion and suitable for carrying in the field

At the end of the day the winner will be decided by public vote so if you can come up with something unusual, beautiful, well made, or that catches the imagination, I reckon you will increase your chances.

Red

1/ Wayland
2/ Falling Rain
3/ Weaver
4/ Rod
5/ Aaron
6/ Stew
7/ Spamel
8/ Demographic
9/ Chrisanson
10/ Aragorn
11/ Old Jimbo
12/ sam acw
13/ John C
14/ OzaawaaMigiziNini
15/ Marts
16/ Pignut
17/ Jon Pickett
18/ Big John
19/ kobalt01
20/ Ice Tigre
21/ Scanker
22/ Woodwalker
23/ Greywolf
24/ ledamni
25/ queeg9000
26/ Singeblister
27/ Loz

[P@ul]

Hi Red,
Please can you stick my name on the list if its not to late!

Don't want to worry anyone but I have already had a play in the garage and found that my first attempt twisted in every direction, this is not as easy as I first thought. So its back to the drawing board for me.

Good luck everybody.

[English Herts]

Hello all, Newbie to the site, I know a few of you from other places, but thought i'd just jump right in. :)

Ok. i did this from stuff hanging about the garage.

Right in true blue peter stylee.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p160/EnglishHerts/saw001.jpg

First take a perfectly allright garden lawn edger
then adapt it with an angle grinder, or hack saw, for the tube.

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p160/EnglishHerts/saw002.jpg

Then take a perfectly good kids push along toy handle.
Then adapt it for another tube

cut a piece of steel for the fulcrum.

Drill some holes

Add a piece of threaded bar.

some nuts and bolts and

TA Da

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p160/EnglishHerts/saw003.jpg

and it collapses

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p160/EnglishHerts/saw006.jpg


All from bits around the garage.

Not as pretty as the others here, but it does collapse. and was free.

Going to build one tomorrow out of plastic to keep the weight down.
I recon I can get all of it into one tube with caps on them.

cheers
EH

[British Red]

No worries both

1/ Wayland
2/ Falling Rain
3/ Weaver
4/ Rod
5/ Aaron
6/ Stew
7/ Spamel
8/ Demographic
9/ Chrisanson
10/ Aragorn
11/ Old Jimbo
12/ sam acw
13/ John C
14/ OzaawaaMigiziNini
15/ Marts
16/ Pignut
17/ Jon Pickett
18/ Big John
19/ kobalt01
20/ Ice Tigre
21/ Scanker
22/ Woodwalker
23/ Greywolf
24/ ledamni
25/ queeg9000
26/ Singeblister
27/ Loz
28 P@aul
29/ English Herts (welcome mate - theres an intro forum you can find by searching on Vegemite ;))

Red

Red

[British Red]

:(

Just realised I messed up - sorry :o

Meant to say up front, I have a sack of saw blades ("stock clearence" - don't ask)

They aren't anything fancy but I'l be d***ed if anyone who wants to can't have a crack at this. If anyone wants to play but hasn't got a blade, drop me a PM and I'll post you one (no charge)

Either way - if we can get the entrants up to 40 it makes the maths easier for my old brain :D

Red

[sam_acw]

I'll try to have a look in the DIY shop this weekend for a blade.
Coming up with something a bit different is quite a challenge. I also only have a knife, Swiss army knife and a metal file in the tool box so far!!!

[OzaawaaMigiziNini]

So far, blades aren't my problem, trying to find a lumber yard or firewood shop that has good hardwood for the handles... now that's a problem....

I'm going to claim this next question is off topic, even though it might not be (or might be...) Anybody that says otherwise, I deny your facts and plead the 5th. :cool: Anybody know a good store (in Ontario) I can get a wood burning kit from?

[British Red]

OMN

What do you mean by a "wood burning kit" mate - as in pyrography (artistic burning with a thing like a soldering iron)?

Ask Old Jimbo or Addy B - bet they can help

Red

[JohnC]

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f278/Johnnyvariety/saw1.jpg

I finally got started, I'm using part of the frame of my old "Muddy Fox" bike that I kept for a day like this, part of the tubing from an old strimmer that was in the skip at the allotment and some studding left over from the extension to the house. The bolts were left over from the kitchen build..Next I'm on the lookout for a bit of oblong section aluminium for the centre strut. So far it all fits inside the largest tube....

[British Red]

Truly awesome guys

I love the idea of "wombled" Buck Saws :D

Red

[Bisamratte]

Ok count me in :)

Im not promising anything but will post the result if I can find all the bits.

My idea is to make it only using a knife and dry wood hanging from trees - don't ask me why :lmao: so it may take some time to get the wood. As for a blade I'll go shopping at christmas (I'll be in England for a week, the diy shops here don't actually sell anything that you need :confused: )

Cheers,

Andy (off to the woods in search of dry, straight, not cracked wood :rolleyes: )

[moduser]

I'm going to put my name down for this as well, no promises though.

I have an idea of what I'd like to make but know that my current ability is going to stretched way beyond the limit.

David

[British Red]

I'm going to put my name down for this as well, no promises though.

I have an idea of what I'd like to make but know that my current ability is going to stretched way beyond the limit.

David
1/ Wayland
2/ Falling Rain
3/ Weaver
4/ Rod
5/ Aaron
6/ Stew
7/ Spamel
8/ Demographic
9/ Chrisanson
10/ Aragorn
11/ Old Jimbo
12/ sam acw
13/ John C
14/ OzaawaaMigiziNini
15/ Marts
16/ Pignut
17/ Jon Pickett
18/ Big John
19/ kobalt01
20/ Ice Tigre
21/ Scanker
22/ Woodwalker
23/ Greywolf
24/ ledamni
25/ queeg9000
26/ Singeblister
27/ Loz
28 P@aul
29/ English Herts
30/ Bisamrette
31 / Moduser

Right Ladies and Gents, Friday 18:00 is last call for entrants - any more for any more?

Red

[g4ghb]

Oh - go on then! ;) - I'll see what I can rustle up just for the fun of it! .......... now where did I put those spangley jewels.......:lmao:

[OzaawaaMigiziNini]

OMN

What do you mean by a "wood burning kit" mate - as in pyrography (artistic burning with a thing like a soldering iron)?

Ask Old Jimbo or Addy B - bet they can help

Red

Yeah artsy burner.. think I may have found one.. ironically at the hardware store I work at :rolleyes: Figured I'd make a functional and attractive one (I really want that axe! :yelrotflm )

[British Red]

1/ Wayland
2/ Falling Rain
3/ Weaver
4/ Rod
5/ Aaron
6/ Stew
7/ Spamel
8/ Demographic
9/ Chrisanson
10/ Aragorn
11/ Old Jimbo
12/ sam acw
13/ John C
14/ OzaawaaMigiziNini
15/ Marts
16/ Pignut
17/ Jon Pickett
18/ Big John
19/ kobalt01
20/ Ice Tigre
21/ Scanker
22/ Woodwalker
23/ Greywolf
24/ ledamni
25/ queeg9000
26/ Singeblister
27/ Loz
28 P@aul
29/ English Herts
30/ Bisamrette
31 / Moduser
32/ g4ghb (Disco Graham)

Be interesting to see if OMN can manage something even more decorated than Grahams "disco ball" firesteel :)

Red

[P@ul]

My idea is to make it only using a knife and dry wood hanging from trees - don't ask me why :lmao: so it may take some time to get the wood.

I had the same idea, 2nd attempt and still not happy with the twisting of the frame so I'm going to modify my design some how :confused:

[g4ghb]

32/ g4ghb (Disco Graham)

Be interesting to see if OMN can manage something even more decorated than Grahams "disco ball" firesteel :)

Red

:lmao: the gauntlet has been laid!

[Boxy]

Just stumbled across this thread during my coffeeee (wow I've had too much) break, (with a little prod in the right direction from Marts, ta).

Count me in, its been ages since I cut myself.

[British Red]

1/ Wayland
2/ Falling Rain
3/ Weaver
4/ Rod
5/ Aaron
6/ Stew
7/ Spamel
8/ Demographic
9/ Chrisanson
10/ Aragorn
11/ Old Jimbo
12/ sam acw
13/ John C
14/ OzaawaaMigiziNini
15/ Marts
16/ Pignut
17/ Jon Pickett
18/ Big John
19/ kobalt01
20/ Ice Tigre
21/ Scanker
22/ Woodwalker
23/ Greywolf
24/ ledamni
25/ queeg9000
26/ Singeblister
27/ Loz
28 P@aul
29/ English Herts
30/ Bisamrette
31 / Moduser
32/ g4ghb
33/ Boxy the caffeine freak :)

P@ul et al. If you feel up to sharing any pictures of the less succesful attempts, I'm sure it will help others.....

I plan to share many failures when I get to mine :D

Red

[OzaawaaMigiziNini]

Be interesting to see if OMN can manage something even more decorated than Grahams "disco ball" firesteel :)

Red

You're talking about a man who once made a werewolf costume for hallowe'en out of rabbit fur, torn jeans and combat boots... I can make anything work ;)

And Graham, your disco ball is magnificant... but this saw will give me title of "Wow, why on earth did you do that?" Champion! :D

[British Red]

Righto Ladies and Gentlemen

Entries into the "BIG BUSHCRAFT BUCKSAW BUILDOFF" are now closed.

There will be four polls in the first round (assuming everyone enters) of 10 saws per round. They will be put to a vote of a week in duration, with the two highest scores going through to the final. The final will also be one week in duration. Highest vote count wins my little axe!

It would be lovely to see some entries and "work in progress" on this thread. Since we can have up to 10 entries per thread, I will allow up to 7 more entries.

The 33 entrants are entitled to one entry each. The 7 "bonus" entries are available to the first 7 people to publish pictures of a finished saw on this thread. If one of the existing entrant want to enter more than once, thats not a problem, but they will need to get a picture on here before all the "bonus" slots are gone.

Anyone who wishes to play a "wicked wango card" should......

Sorry :o

Red

[British Red]

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1/ Wayland
2/ Falling Rain
3/ Weaver
4/ Rod
5/ Aaron
6/ Stew
7/ Spamel
8/ Demographic
9/ Chrisanson
10/ Aragorn
11/ Old Jimbo
12/ sam acw
13/ John C
14/ OzaawaaMigiziNini
15/ Marts
16/ Pignut
17/ Jon Pickett
18/ Big John
19/ kobalt01
20/ Ice Tigre
21/ Scanker
22/ Woodwalker
23/ Greywolf
24/ ledamni
25/ queeg9000
26/ Singeblister
27/ Loz
28 P@aul
29/ English Herts
30/ Bisamrette
31 / Moduser
32/ g4ghb
33/ Boxy
34/ Bonus 1 (these will be filled as the first pictures are published AFTER this post)
35/ Bonus 2
36/ Bonus 3
37/ Bonus 4
38/ Bonus 5
39/ Bonus 6
40/ Bonus 7

Red

[P@ul]

P@ul et al. If you feel up to sharing any pictures of the less succesful attempts, I'm sure it will help others.....

I plan to share many failures when I get to mine :D

Red

OK, here’s a few of my earlier attempts, my aim was to keep the weight and pack size to a minimum so I wanted to use wood that I could collect at my destination and assemble with only a knife.

Attempt No1 was going to be made from some apple boughs that I had stacked in the garden. Even though I used a slot & peg method to locate the joints before binding I still was not happy with the way the frame twisted when put under tension.
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/7646/pc050035fg4.th.jpg (http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pc050035fg4.jpg)

After consulting my Bush craft book I decided to have another go using a triangular configuration for a more rigid construction, still not happy so it was back to the drawing board.
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/58/pc070040ln0.th.jpg (http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pc070040ln0.jpg)

I do believe I have found the answer! Not going to say anymore at this stage, I need to take a few more photos and carry out some field trials.

PS have I used up any of the bonus slots?

[British Red]

P@ul,

If that is an entry, yes!

If not, no but you have rep points anyway for sharing!

Red

[OldJimbo]

Double curved cross members were the standard solution to wobbliness.
http://i22.ebayimg.com/05/i/000/7d/10/f516_1.JPG
Cross members pegged together in centre.
http://i4.ebayimg.com/06/i/000/7d/10/f615_1.JPG

[sargey]

d'oh! horlicks!

is that your 1800 on friday or mine? i'm only nine hours late......

:rolleyes: :D

cheers, and.

[Spikey DaPikey]

You're talking about a man who once made a werewolf costume for hallowe'en out of rabbit fur, torn jeans and combat boots... I can make anything work ;)


Would love to see a photo of that, new thread perhaps ? :rolleyes:

[OldJimbo]

is that your 1800 on friday or mine? i'm only nine hours late......

I'm sure Red wouldn't start without you And! We do remember that you already have working models, though...

I hope everyone noticed that the one I showed is just one currently selling on ebay, as even I wasn't around in 1913.. Given the markings on the blade it might well be that old. Unlike Britain and this place - lots of areas of N America are dry and things last forever. Anyway, people did make their own frames in the old days, and obviously made them well. The finer Swiss teeth on the wider blade are for cutting seasoned hardwood.
A point that brings up is that old bucksaws are going for only about $20 even with vintage blades. I've remembered that a friend wanted to sell one, so maybe I'll pick it up and torture test it to see what I can learn. I've got a 24" Trailblazer aluminum on the way to see how rigid that is too.

[British Red]

1/ Wayland
2/ Falling Rain
3/ Weaver
4/ Rod
5/ Aaron
6/ Stew
7/ Spamel
8/ Demographic
9/ Chrisanson
10/ Aragorn
11/ Old Jimbo
12/ sam acw
13/ John C
14/ OzaawaaMigiziNini
15/ Marts
16/ Pignut
17/ Jon Pickett
18/ Big John
19/ kobalt01
20/ Ice Tigre
21/ Scanker
22/ Woodwalker
23/ Greywolf
24/ ledamni
25/ queeg9000
26/ Singeblister
27/ Loz
28 P@aul
29/ English Herts
30/ Bisamrette
31 / Moduser
32/ g4ghb
33/ Boxy
34/ Sargey ;)

Red

[British Red]

Well,

I promised I would make one too. Here is some progress.

I have set myself a slightly odd challenge, which is to make a robust and stiff frame out of parts that are accessible to all. I'm aiming for under £5 and certainly no more than £10 including the blade

Here are the bits I've got together

http://static.flickr.com/134/318121500_d86fcf5eb8.jpg

I bought two hardwood broom handles (80p each), a length of 8mm threaded rod (about £1.50), a blade (I got a bulk deal recently - so 50p :o ) a bit of 10mm ally tube (call it a quid though its lying around) and a handful of wing nuts plus two 6mm coach bolts (say another quid). Say about £6 all up - within a tenner even if I bought the blade retail

Now I'm going to use the end of both brooms as the "uprights", one of the off cuts as the cross member, the threaded bar as a tensioner and the two coach bolts to hold the blade. The ally tube will be used to line the holes for the threaded bar. The layout will be something like this

http://static.flickr.com/135/318121498_e2d5ff33d0.jpg

Now assuming I have measured the cross strut to the exact length of the blade (eye to eye). I wrapped some sandpaper around an offcut of the broom and "indented" each end of the cross strut so it will fit tightly against the upright

Like this

http://static.flickr.com/134/318121501_fc1fdc2756.jpg

This leaves the end of cross member this shape

http://static.flickr.com/144/318121496_2ca153979c.jpg

So the fit comes like this

http://static.flickr.com/136/318121493_42b23400b1.jpg

I'll probably lock the cross member in with a "pin and socket" arrangement using some threaded bar and a hole in the upright. Time will tell

Anyway - thats as far as I have got for now...more another day

Red

[Singeblister]

looking good Red :) , I haven't got the wood yet , I am toying with going out to find some green , or buying some kiln dried stuff. Still thinking at this point :)

[OldJimbo]

It's going to be interesting to see if that one develops some wobble, Red, and if some screws fix that. One thing is for sure, we sure are going to learn about saws!
I remembered to check my mail when I got back into town tonight, and found that my saw jointer had arrived. It's a slick little slotted tool that holds a file and you just run it along the saw blade to make the teeth even in height. I couldn't resist trying it out on an old saw blade. It appears that cheap blades aren't set up too consistently as I had already set the teeth, and that was inconsistent, too. It appears that my memories of old bowsaws cutting far more effectively might have some substance. I'm wondering what I'll find with the raker gauge which should arrive soon...

[British Red]

Interesting - any chance of some photos of the dohickies at work mate? I'd love to learn more about setting up saws!

I frear the dreaded wobble, which is why I'm going to use threaded bar, pin joint the cross member and bolt through the blade. If all else fails, I plan to put in a second cross member!

Red

[leon-b]

red i like the look of your saw, ium going to town today with some money, exactly what do i need to buy to make a saw like yours
please could you list everything
im not entering the competition i just want to give it a go
thanks leon

[British Red]

Leon,

Wait a bit mate,

If it works well, I'll do you a step by step guide and list all the parts, lets see how it is first though

Red

[leon-b]

ok thanks
leon

[OldJimbo]

It'll take a few days to get good pics as I'm heading off to help my buddy with moving.

But for now..
First you get a saw set or plier like device which can be set to bend saw tooth. To start with you adjust it to one tooth, then go along sqeezing on each of the teeth, to make sure that they all bend out the same amount. Other than finding out that your saw blade isn't consistent at all, it's fun. You don't need the big hammer and anvil type which are used for big two handed saws. These are easily picked up in top shape for a few dollars. On ebay check collectibles, tools, woodworking, saws. Good deal!

http://www3.telus.net/jimbo/saws/saw_sets.jpg

Only then do you run this jointer along the blade, to get all the teeth the same height. That's when you look at half of the teeth randomly having flats on top, as they were all different heights... Slick and I paid just a few dollars. A person could just use a long flat file run along the top.

http://www3.telus.net/jimbo/saws/Jointer.jpg

Then you check if the rakers are all the same depth below the teeth with one of these - again just a few bucks. I guess you could use spark plug feeler gauges. I haven't used one of these yet and dread what I will find.

http://www3.telus.net/jimbo/saws/raker_gauge.jpg

So so far tools are cheap and you can get decent ones. The bad news is that clamp on filing jigs are expensive, so i want to see what I can do with chainsaw filing guides. Saw vises are cheap and neat but shipping kills, so I'm going to have to use a slot sawed in a log and tiny wedges.

The thought on most people's minds is that is getting a bit silly in terms of being time consuming. Just sharpening the uneven teeth with a piece of emery wrapped around a piece of broken hacksaw blade will show LOTS of improvement, though. We'll see about consistent tooth set and height set to optimum later. I saw lots of hard wood, so it might be worth it to me.

[British Red]

I'll have a look for the tools - wonder if they are available here?

[demographic]

It'll take a few days to get good pics as I'm heading off to help my buddy with moving.

But for now..
First you get a saw set or plier like device which can be set to bend saw tooth. To start with you adjust it to one tooth, then go along sqeezing on each of the teeth, to make sure that they all bend out the same amount. Other than finding out that your saw blade isn't consistent at all, it's fun. You don't need the big hammer and anvil type which are used for big two handed saws. These are easily picked up in top shape for a few dollars. On ebay check collectibles, tools, woodworking, saws. Good deal!

http://www3.telus.net/jimbo/saws/saw_sets.jpg

Only then do you run this jointer along the blade, to get all the teeth the same height. That's when you look at half of the teeth randomly having flats on top, as they were all different heights... Slick and I paid just a few dollars. A person could just use a long flat file run along the top.

http://www3.telus.net/jimbo/saws/Jointer.jpg

Then you check if the rakers are all the same depth below the teeth with one of these - again just a few bucks. I guess you could use spark plug feeler gauges. I haven't used one of these yet and dread what I will find.

http://www3.telus.net/jimbo/saws/raker_gauge.jpg

So so far tools are cheap and you can get decent ones. The bad news is that clamp on filing jigs are expensive, so i want to see what I can do with chainsaw filing guides. Saw vises are cheap and neat but shipping kills, so I'm going to have to use a slot sawed in a log and tiny wedges.

The thought on most people's minds is that is getting a bit silly in terms of being time consuming. Just sharpening the uneven teeth with a piece of emery wrapped around a piece of broken hacksaw blade will show LOTS of improvement, though. We'll see about consistent tooth set and height set to optimum later. I saw lots of hard wood, so it might be worth it to me.

I have seen a Veritas saw jointer and edger (http://www.axminster.co.uk/product-Veritas-Jointer-and-Edger-22608.htm) in the axminster catalogue and I read in Leonard Lee's book on sharpening (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1561581259/qid=1104184934/sr=2-1/ref=pd_ka_b_2_1/102-5678233-5378507) some very good information on sharpening saws, well it gives good info on sharpening just about anything.

Well worth the nothing that it cost to borrow from the local library :)

[demographic]

I'll have a look for the tools - wonder if they are available here?

Errrrr, see post above this ;)

[British Red]

:D

Ahh yes good info, wish it was before my post - would have saved some typing :)

Red

[sam_acw]

Why did everything used to be made so mush better!
It seems that as steel technology goes forward the level of workmanship goes down and no-one ever makes any progress.
I'm starting to consider a file to be a really important bushcraft tool now - in the 2nd league along with saws and fish hooks in the "make life better" category.
I keep looking for ideas for something a bit different. As this is my first make for something like this I'm not likely to win any prizes for execution so It'll have to be ideas!

[P@ul]

OK here is my offering.

I have taken many more photos of the saw in the making and can post if the need arises. I have managed to make a saw that can be packed small and the wood sourced from site or alternately the wood called also be packed at the disadvantage of a bulkier load.

The metal work was constructed from an old trampoline frame that I had in the garage. As you can see from the photos I originally painted it black but then decided on green.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5861/pc090058vf3.jpg

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/750/pc100063jo0.jpg

[demographic]

Why did everything used to be made so mush better!
It seems that as steel technology goes forward the level of workmanship goes down and no-one ever makes any progress.
I'm starting to consider a file to be a really important bushcraft tool now - in the 2nd league along with saws and fish hooks in the "make life better" category.
I keep looking for ideas for something a bit different. As this is my first make for something like this I'm not likely to win any prizes for execution so It'll have to be ideas!

I am not sure that things did used to me be made better, its just that the crap stuff got thrown away and the really good stuff got kept and passed onto the next generation.
Its like natural selection for handtools :D

Theres some very good tools on the market nowadays, it just takes time finding them sometimes.

The only reason I saw that Veritas saw jointer and edger is because I have been eyeing up a Veritas adjustable mouth low angle block plane for a while now and am considering forking out for one soon.

[sargey]

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/750/pc100063jo0.jpg

now that's a great idea!

cheers, and.

[JohnC]

I like that P@ul If theres a leader board you may be up there already... very simple. Does it flex much in use?

[OldJimbo]

Paul, that is one incredible idea! Red may have started us off on the route to really coming up with new methods!

Saws were sharpened better at the factory in the old days, simply because people worked with them, and would pay the price for a good one. In hand logging camps, sharpening axes and saws was a trade. Now only some of us really care about hand tools, and a company would go out of business selling real tools for a few people, at many times the cost of similar tools sitting next to them on dealer's shelf.

What's really needed is a retired woodworking fanatic who knows hand tool sharpening, and wants to make a little money on the side. Even from what I've done, I can see that the end result of proper setting up means double the efficiency. Perhaps far more. That's worth a few dollars or pounds to get. Sawing is pretty easy and a person soon sees that far fewer strokes are needed to get through a log with a properly set up saw - or even my attempts so far..

[British Red]

What's really needed is a retired woodworking fanatic who knows hand tool sharpening, and wants to make a little money on the side. Even from what I've done, I can see that the end result of proper setting up means double the efficiency. Perhaps far more. That's worth a few dollars or pounds to get. ..

Remind you of anyone Jimbo?

Whens that retirement due again?????

:D

Red

(Just wanting a Jimbo set up axe and shamelessly shmoozing)

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[Aragorn]

got a few bits together, just got to work out where they all go :D

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/j3dh0gan/DSC00047.jpg

although i might scrap the lot and go looking for and old trampoline :rolleyes: great idea paul.

[demographic]

What's really needed is a retired woodworking fanatic who knows hand tool sharpening, and wants to make a little money on the side. Even from what I've done, I can see that the end result of proper setting up means double the efficiency. Perhaps far more. That's worth a few dollars or pounds to get. Sawing is pretty easy and a person soon sees that far fewer strokes are needed to get through a log with a properly set up saw - or even my attempts so far..

A bloke I used to live in the same shared house used to be a saw doctor, Steve was his name, not much call for saw doctors nowadays though.

Anyway, the trade you are looking for is called Saw Doctor :)

[weaver]

Well, here's my first entry. I believe there are some bonus slots?

The saw. It cuts well for a small buck saw, the blade is 18 inches. Weight is very light, sorry I don't have a gram scale. The wood is some scrap mahogany I had left from an old project, it has been in the barn for 5-6 years. I had to clean the chicken droppings off of it before I could start to cut the pieces.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y294/frugalweaver/CuttingBuck.jpg

The blade folds into one end for total protection. The pins are drilled and have cotter pins for quick, sure retention.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y294/frugalweaver/FoldingBuckSaw.jpg

Our Sheltie thinks it is a sure winner!
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y294/frugalweaver/FoldedBuck.jpg

Working on a bag to hold it and entry number two.

[P@ul]

I like that P@ul If theres a leader board you may be up there already... very simple. Does it flex much in use?

I have managed to reduce the flexing alot. I found the best results were achieved by getting the blade tight before tensioning and the more height of the timber above the horizontal the easier it is to tension.

OldJimbo, I read your earlier post with interest and will be checking my blade to see how good it is.

[British Red]

Weaver,

Please consider a Bonus slot as allocated.

I am very glad you put me on to that Mini-Wetterlings.

It has come in handy for turning my efforts into kindling :o

Thats...just.....awesome

Lovely...really lovely

Red

[demographic]

I would just like to point out that untill the kitchen arrives at work, I wont have any spare oak drawer fronts to make this saw out of :)

<Whistles quietly>

Mind theres also going to be an oak floor going down so some of the better figured wood may well end up being "cuts" ;)

Anyway theres no way I will be farting around with it, its going to be an hour job max.

[P@ul]

Our Sheltie thinks it is a sure winner!


I think she's probably right, or is that a he?
Very nice work :(

[OzaawaaMigiziNini]

Bloody hell boys! I haven't even gotten my wood yet and you gusy are already kicking my tail! :You_Rock_

[OldJimbo]

That's one gorgeous piece of woodwork, Weaver!

[Heathenpeddler]

Ok, where was I when this all started? :)

I don't think I'll be doing this challenge but I may well be shamelessly borrowing ideas for a good homemade detail saw for my back-room workshop.

[JohnC]

I found a bit to go in the middle...
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f278/Johnnyvariety/saw2.jpg I cant get it all to nest as I would have liked...
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f278/Johnnyvariety/saw3.jpg All of the bits
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f278/Johnnyvariety/saw4.jpg
All the bits assembled.. It doesn't flex too much, I've tried it some 2x4 in the shed and some bits of eucalyptus tree trunk I've got and its ok.
The aluminum tubing is the weak point I think, but so far, so good. I may give it a coat of paint and make a canvas bag for it.

[British Red]

Awesome - another "wombled" saw!

I do like all this ingenuity!

Red

[Stew]

Awesome - another "wombled" saw!

I do like all this ingenuity!

Red

I agree Red. It's great to see things being recycled.

Weaver - your work is superb as well! It's a whole different league (and almost putting me off even trying...but only almost! :p )

[weaver]

I agree Red. It's great to see things being recycled.

Weaver - your work is superb as well! It's a whole different league (and almost putting me off even trying...but only almost! :p )

That was just cobbled together in one afternoon.
Wait till you see the one I am taking my time with. Going all out on this one. :eek:

[British Red]

Now that is something I dearly want to see (if just to turn green with envy at the owner and the skill of the maker)

Red

[weaver]

But, you ARE the owner! :You_Rock_ :D

[British Red]

:eek: Just saw your post weaver

I don't know what to say - and thats a first :o

Well - clearly - "thanks" is not an adequate response

So I'll say "thank you sir" and add "I'll be frightened to get something made to those standards dirty" and finish with : :)

Red

[weaver]

Well, I said I would return a gift for the old steel you sent me and this seems fit.

My box is getting too large to ship so I should send on what I have and plan on another in Febby.

[OldJimbo]

Hey - Christmas comes early for Red! That's a wonderful gift!

[British Red]

Your not wrong there Jimbo! There are some nice poeple in this world - I count myself very lucky :D

Red

[Aragorn]

ok here's my entry

PACKED
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/j3dh0gan/DSC00051.jpg

OPENED
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/j3dh0gan/DSC00052.jpg

PARTS LAID OUT
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/j3dh0gan/DSC00054.jpg

ASSEMBLED 1
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/j3dh0gan/DSC00055.jpg

ASSEMBLED 2
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/j3dh0gan/DSC00057.jpg


That's it. :)

[British Red]

Very very neat and well thought through there mate. Love the tension bar design and the padded handle. I think we have a contender!

Red

[weaver]

Well Done! :beerchug:

[Aragorn]

cheers, this comp thing is a great idea, amazing what you can make from and old shower rail and a few odd's 'un sod's, and at the end you have something usefull to use. as far as the comp goes though, i know who my money's on so far, nice job weaver :notworthy :D

[P@ul]

Thats one tough looking bucksaw, well done. If only I could think of another design :confused:

[OldJimbo]

Yet another great design!
For a LOT of years (decades), the only metal takedown saw was the Sven saw which had a triangular shape and so only little branches could be effectively cut with it. that's hard to believe after seeing what's come up in this thread in a short time!

[woodwalker]

Right, finally got my wood (am building a traditional style, timber frame saw) and have just finished one of the two major joints. One of the good things about this competition is that even if you don't win, you still end up with a good buck saw :D .

I hope to get this finished for a play/test on Wednesday when I have a scheduled bushcrafting day!

also, on what criteria are they going to be marked on? Just aesthetics (from the photos) or something else?

cheers,
woodwalker

[Bisamratte]

Right, finally got my wood (am building a traditional style, timber frame saw) and have just finished one of the two major joints. One of the good things about this competition is that even if you don't win, you still end up with a good buck saw :D .




Well said, and if my buck saw isn't any good I can always copy the winning design :lmao:

[British Red]

woodwalker,

The winner will be decided by a simple poll so, yes, I guess aesthetics will play a part. I would very much like people to do a bit of a write up of how well it works, how long it too to make, why they used the materials they did etc. (much as people have above)

I'll put all the entries into polls and the "readership" can vote on the one they like best. Top 2 or 3 from each poll go through to the final poll.

Looking forward to seeing yours - I've done all the cutting and drilling on mine today. Just waiting on some glue to go off (you'll see) before starting on the next stage

Red

[chrisanson]

soory folks my job has been taking over my life juts latly :confused:
i will try and get an entry in ASAP
Chris

[British Red]

Chris,

There's no rush mate - end of January is the closing date. Its just nice to chat about progress etc.

Red

[chrisanson]

Chris,

There's no rush mate - end of January is the closing date. Its just nice to chat about progress etc.

Red


nice noe m8 maybe i can get somethin done over the holidays.
Chris

[British Red]

Well, I promised to publish my efforts to make a bucksaw

I have set myself a slightly odd challenge, which is to make a robust and stiff frame out of parts that are accessible to all. I'm aiming for under £5 and certainly no more than £10 including the blade

Here are the bits I've got together

http://static.flickr.com/134/318121500_d86fcf5eb8.jpg

I bought two hardwood broom handles, a length of 8mm threaded rod a blade (I got a bulk deal recently a bit of 10mm ally tube and a handful of wing nuts plus two 6mm coach bolts. Say about £6 all up - within a tenner even if I bought the blade retail.

I sawed the two 48” broom handles off into two 24” uprights with the “rounded part” at the top. One of the off cuts was slightly cut down to make the cross member. The rough layout will be something like this

http://static.flickr.com/135/318121498_e2d5ff33d0.jpg

Now I have measured the cross strut to the exact length of the blade (eye to eye). I wrapped some sandpaper around an offcut of the broom and "indented" each end of the cross strut so it will fit tightly against the upright like this

http://static.flickr.com/134/318121501_fc1fdc2756.jpg

This leaves the end of cross member this shape

http://static.flickr.com/144/318121496_2ca153979c.jpg

So the fit comes like this

http://static.flickr.com/136/318121493_42b23400b1.jpg

I'll lock the cross member in with a "pin and socket" arrangement using some threaded bar and a hole in the upright. More on that later.

So we have two uprights and a cross member that fits snugly between them. Time to get the drill out. A 10mm hols (the same size as the ally tube) is drilled right through the top of each uprights.

http://static.flickr.com/124/324229366_da3fddcb98.jpg

Another hole is drilled halfway through the upright about a third of the way from the top. The measurement needs to be the same on both sides.

http://static.flickr.com/140/324229364_33ddcd9642.jpg

Next job is to cut some lengths of ally tube the right size to line these holes

http://static.flickr.com/134/324229368_449ec432ba.jpg

These are glued in place (super glue works fine, but rough up the outside of the tube first to give it a key). The tube is then filed and sanded to the contour of the wood (ally is soft so this doesn’t take long)

http://static.flickr.com/139/324229369_f87ca9de07.jpg

Right that’s the hole at the top done for the tensioner and the sockets further down for the cross strut.

Next I clamped the cross strut and drilled a ¾” hole in each end

http://static.flickr.com/124/324229358_8055df7bb7.jpg

A piece of threaded rod was glued into this hole as shown below

http://static.flickr.com/130/324229361_376edcf5e2.jpg

This stud fits into the socket created earlier.

Next step is to turn the upright over. A 6mm hole is drilled through the upright at 90 degrees to the “through” hole drilled earlier. This is for the 6mm coach bolt that holds the blade in place. A saw cut is made to the correct depth to slot the blade in. A bit of trial and error is required to make the cut the right depth to align the coach bolt hole and saw blade hole.

http://static.flickr.com/143/324233858_eca20bf668.jpg

That’s pretty much it for construction. I then rubbed the whole thing down and gave it a wipe with some woodstain and then waxed it for protection

To assemble, bolt the blade in place, slot the cross member into the sockets and slide the threaded rod through the lined holes. Tighten the butterfly nuts at each end of the threaded bar and you are good to go. You will notice in the finished picture that the uprights are slightly “bowed”. This puts a great tension on the saw blade.

I guess there’s no more than an hours work in this and, if a klutz like me can do it, anyone can. The saw really does work very well with no “twisting” which I suspect is to do with the slight flex tensioning the wood

http://static.flickr.com/129/324233860_8876474989.jpg

Don't know how long it will hold up - slightly thicker wood might be an idea, but I'm happy enough for a first go

Not as pretty as some of those posted, nor as strong as others nor as well made as any I suspect. Not an entry either though :lmao: . I hope it encourages someone else to try and deprive me of my axe however :D

Red

[OzaawaaMigiziNini]

Got the blade and design figured out... just need the rest of the materials and some :censored: time to get it worked on!

[Heathenpeddler]

Darn BR, that's looking like something even I could do! Still got any of those blades left? Maybe I could make something worthwhile after all :)

[British Red]

Sure have Heathen Peddler. If you want one PM me your address and I'll post one off to you. I have 30" 24" and 21" (although you will certainly need stiffer wood for a 30" bucksaw - it would be a beast of a saw). No charge of course (paying it forward).

Red

[stevec]

We i'm most impressed by all that has gone before, i don't know if i'm in time, or if there are any of the bonus places left, if not, its no biggy, but here is my attempt all the same.
Blade 1.69 at wilco's
pine stripwood couple of quid for about 2.4m, i had a load left over from some DIY
nuts and bolts - liberated from work
string - 50m reel of guy rope about 6 quid at towsure
thats about it, i wanted a modle that self masked the blade so the handles fold down.
can't work out how to post the pics, i'll upload them to my gallery.

best regards
steve

[British Red]

Stevec,

Course you have a slot. I've added your pics for others to see



http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/data/500/medium/20-12-06_1200.jpg

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/data/500/medium/20-12-06_1158.jpg

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/data/500/medium/20-12-06_1157.jpg

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/data/500/medium/20-12-06_1155.jpg

I'm intigued by the "double layer" of the handle - its a great idea for protecting the blade - nowt humble about that mate

Red

[jamie6754]

yeh mate i will give it a bash too

[woodwalker]

Right, my entry is now complete :) . Its made from European Oak and is essentially two (contoured) uprights which are held apart by a cross-piece. This is held in place by a snug mortise and tenon joint, definitely not something to be attempted with blunt tools!

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j130/black_piglet/other/DSCF0428Small.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j130/black_piglet/other/DSCF0426Small.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j130/black_piglet/other/DSCF0423Small.jpg

I spent ages making these joint perfect, and it payed off as in testing there was no twisting bending snapping or unwanted movement.
It was given a good play/test yesterday by myself and kieran725, and the saw worked fine.

Below are all the components - (from left to right) ; Duffel Bag made from curtain backing material, Tightening rope, Tightening bar, the two upright/handle parts, cross piece/tenon and the blade (24")

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j130/black_piglet/other/PC220017Small.jpg

And the finished article, in the woods where it should be :) . Leaning against it is a Small Forest Axe for size comparison.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j130/black_piglet/other/DSCF3204Small.jpg


cheers guys and British Red for organising this,

woodwalker

[Stew]

Blimey that's a nice one!

I saw a 12" blade in Homebase yesterday. Had to pick one up so I could make a mini buck saw as well! :D

[jamie6754]

im nearly finished my mini bucksaw just need to sand it down and oil it, will post pics today.

[jamie6754]

Heres the pictures of my bucksaw.


http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p227/jamie6754/DSC00221.jpg

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p227/jamie6754/DSC00222.jpg

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p227/jamie6754/DSC00223.jpg

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p227/jamie6754/DSC00224.jpg


Thats my entry.

[British Red]

Beutiful entries from woodwalker and Jamie. Reckon there could be a couple of finalists there.

Would it be rude to ask what happened to the rest of the stool? :D

Red

[jamie6754]

Im going to use that for a plate or maybe a frisbee :lmao:

[Big John]

Interesting arrangement with the key rings Jamie - I guess once it's under tension they hold the blade secure and don't move?

[British Red]

Well, I received a couple of requests for an improvised saw I decided today to try to make one. It is cheap and it means carrying the minimum of materials. Here’s what I started with

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/163/335287749_ce106b16a1.jpg


1 SAK (with saw), a hank of field line, two key rings and a 24” saw blade. The plan in future will be to slide the saw blade into the pocket of my Bergan where the frame sits – so no space overhead and a minimal weight implication

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/140/335287752_ec04039817.jpg

Well the first step was to get some wood for the frame. Out came the SAK saw blade (I could do all this with a belt knife but it would take a little longer). A couple of bits of hazel were quickly harvested. They were 1 ½” thick (and overdue for coppicing anyway).

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/137/335287756_a2c4a57563.jpg

Next step is to measure the saw blade against the thinnest piece. This piece will form the cross member. Its worth remembering that the saw blade will have a keyring through the holes and project beyond each upright. Measure it like that and assume the crosspiece needs to be 2” shorter than distance between the holes

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/164/335287758_160f2e4081.jpg

Next I sawed a ring about ¼ of the way through the cross member. This ring is about ½” from the end of the cross member and all the way around it.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/145/335287761_37130f1989.jpg

Then I used the main SAK blade to cut straight down through the limb to the saw cut.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/154/335287762_0a4ffd3cb9.jpg

Four of these cuts result in a square “peg” at the end of the cross member. I repeated this at the other end.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/146/335304797_bfe9c45495.jpg

Next job was to make a socket for the peg to sit in. I decided to locate the socket about a quarter way down the uprights. I sawed about 1/3 of the way through the upright and then used the knife blade to carve out a square socket

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/145/335304800_dfc3b520eb.jpg

The next job was to make slots for the saw blade to sit in. I sawed these but they could be sliced just as easily. Sawing them does avoid the tendency for the split to run however

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/128/335304807_678e79baf4.jpg

The last step in making the three main pieces was to carve two notches to hold the tensioning cord

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/166/335304803_97b4cbe3a7.jpg

Lastly I need a bar to twist the tensioning cord. I split an off cut of hazel and drilled a hole using the awl on the SAK

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/136/335304811_727607f26c.jpg

Next step is to assemble the saw – it went together fairly well (although I needed to trim the pegs to get a good fit)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/158/335304812_cd18ff12d3.jpg

A few final pictures of the saw assembled may help to explain what I did

The peg and socket joint

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/156/335314083_3357f2a205.jpg

The tension cord notch

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/155/335314087_ce65412e99.jpg

The tension bar

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/164/335314092_0ac267fba3.jpg

Its really not tricky to do, although it is hard to make one as tight as a “workshop made” take down saw. As in all things – my next one will be quicker and better!

Not an entry - just responding to requests (and enjoying messing about :D )

Red

[chrisanson]

i like that one:)
chris

[leon-b]

i like that one too
leon

[Singeblister]

I havnt had chance to get in the shed to make mine yet :( kids off school .
I am still optimistic i can make it by the close date though :)

[sargey]

red, being as you're not entering it, can you send me that "improvised" saw so i can use it as my entry! :rolleyes: :D it's pretty much what i was going to do. a simplified MKII version of this old one. otherwise i'me going to have to come up with some fresh ideas!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/sargey/sven%20saw/svensaw.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/sargey/sven%20saw/svensaw-motise-and-tenon.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y147/sargey/sven%20saw/svensaw-ring-closeup.jpg

good to see a swiss army knife getting some proper use, one of the greatest bushcraft knives ever! :cool:

edited to add, this saw got a new blade shortly after these photos. it's been through a few scout camps over the last couple of years, the scouts haven't broken it yet, and it's always the one they go for first. adequate proof i reckon that the wooden style is plenty sturdy enough.

cheers, and.

[British Red]

Sargey,

yours is better mate! I made two mistakes on mine (at least). The cross member should have been lower and the sockets deeper to avoid the dreaded "twistsing". As in all things, I learn by doing far more than I do by reading or seeing :o

Red

[falling rain]

Quick question. - My Bucksaw's coming along nicely. I want to burn in a pattern to the frame, maybe of some leaves, vines etc. Would a souldering iron work OK ? and if so, can anyone recommend a cheap one to get. As I don't do souldering I'll only be using it for burning patterns into any spoons or other wood creations so don't want to fork out loads of money.

[Big John]

A soldering iron will work fine, but if you haven't already got one then you might as well buy a proper tool. The craft is called Pyrography, there's a basic tool here on Axminster (http://www.axminster.co.uk/product-Axminster-Woodburning-Pen-32126.htm) for £13 - looks like it's just what you're after.

Whilst you're on Axminster check out the spoon carving knives and numerous sharpening stones as well - make the most of that postage charge!!

[JonnyP]

Finished at last......
It took me about two days to complete and I am dead chuffed. Big thanks to you Red, I have really enjoyed doing it and I have a working tool too....
Made from oak (nasty wood to carve). I had a delivery of a load of hardwood decking at work, just before christmas and the driver gave me two short lengths of oak to use as bearers under the decking. I thought, ideal, I know what I will use them for.... It was very simple to do, just found carving the oak hard going, found you have to remove it a small bit at a time, or it splits. I did most of the work with my vaughan mini axe, which was kindy re-profiled by Longstrider, I also used my lapp pukko for the ends of the handles. I did use my carpenters chisels for the morticing after drilling holes first. Finished with sand paper and treated with boiled linseed oil. It locks up a treat and has had a small test, and works well....
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/8889/dsc02976largelv1.jpg
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/346/dsc02981largeym6.jpg

[Singeblister]

Very nice Jon ^^ All i have seen posted so far are great :)

I finally got into the shed today with my beech log i harvested last year, below are the results so far , not quite finished yet though.

here is what i started out with.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f355/millymog/DSCF4621.jpg
splitting the log
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f355/millymog/DSCF4622.jpg
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f355/millymog/DSCF4623.jpg
Materials cut and ready to begin
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f355/millymog/DSCF4624.jpg
the saw roughed out and ready for final tweaks and finish
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f355/millymog/DSCF4626.jpg
the parts.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f355/millymog/DSCF4627.jpg
I enjoyed making this and the new saw feels much better to use than the old one and works just as well :)
I learned a lot about my Axe i got at the bushmoot in the summer ,sadly its only the second time i have had chance to use it.
thanks for looking,
John

[chrisanson]

Its gona be tough to get anywhere in this comp! The entrys so far are all so good. But I am hoping to get in the shed this week end.
Fingers crossed !
Chris

[British Red]

I have to say those last two entries (messrs Singeblister and Pickett) are really raising the bar here! Jon's decoration on the tensioning bar plus the scroll work and Johns "Log to saw" transition are both highly inspirational.

The combined skill and wisdom of this group never fail to exceed my expectations!

Gents - I am humbled

Red

[Eric_Methven]

Blimey! I've just noticed this thread. I suppose it's too late to enter?????

Eric

[British Red]

It wouldn't be a thread on wood working without you Eric - If you can post a pic before the end of January (and knowing you, you could before the end of December :D), your entry would be very much appreciated

Red

[Eric_Methven]

Cheers! I'll crack on with it. I was wanting to do an experiment with a section of broken band saw blade so this is an ideal opportunity.

Eric

[falling rain]

A soldering iron will work fine, but if you haven't already got one then you might as well buy a proper tool. The craft is called Pyrography, there's a basic tool here on Axminster (http://www.axminster.co.uk/product-Axminster-Woodburning-Pen-32126.htm) for £13 - looks like it's just what you're after.

Whilst you're on Axminster check out the spoon carving knives and numerous sharpening stones as well - make the most of that postage charge!!

Thanks Big John, that looks like the chicken :) and £13 quid is fine. Info much appreciated sir.

Jon Pickett very nice saw. It looks old and traditional although you've only just carved it. :eek: Well done. I'm doing a bit of pattern burning myself, so will be challenging you :D . Mines pretty much finished except the pattern. Looking forward to seeing all the other entries from the folks who've said they're entering.

[queeg9000]

After seeing Reds hazel bow saw, and a few others, I thought I'd have a go at one first, before trying somethings more elaborate. :rolleyes:

First try using thinnish Hazel, and once partially complete and tensioned, the thin hazel shows it's flaws, it's bending right on the tension point.
It did cut reasonably though, but the blade was flexing rather a lot?? :( :(

So back to the woods for thicker Hazel, or I might try one with some Maple I've been giving for christmas...ummmmm

[British Red]

Like all things mate it seems easy until you try huh :(

I'm certainly going to try another couple of improvisations since theres no point in carrying the blade unless I can knock up a frame fast and well. Its more "adequate and slow" right now with me sadly

Red

[falling rain]

A few of the Hazel bow saws that have been posted have only one cross beam and people have said they are unstable, Try using 2 pieces of hazel for the cross beams in a sideways 'V' shape. like this................ l<l ..............or this........... l>l - there's a picture in Mors K's book Bushcraft if you have a copy.
Taper 2 pieces so they fit flush at one end spreading out to form the 'V on the other. You can bind the 2 cross beams with cord it's a bit hard to describe in writing. I'll knock one up and post a picture when I post my final bucksaw picture although the hazel bucksaw won't be my entry, it'll just be for showing you 'how to' I know others on here can do this, so if anyone's got any piccies :rolleyes:

[British Red]

That makes sense FR but a picture or three would be really helpful if you ever find the time

Red

[Aragorn]

thats what i ws trying to achieve here

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/j3dh0gan/DSC00057.jpg

i was a bit short on height though, and didn't want to make the saw too high, so placed the top rail straight, hopefully this will have the same affect

[falling rain]

That makes sense FR but a picture or three would be really helpful if you ever find the time

Red

No worries Red. I'll happily do a little tutorial. Give me a few days as I'm working till next weekend.

[Pignut]

When does the comp finish chaps?

The Cherry tree I was going to make my saw out of is still growing in mums garden!

[British Red]

End of January mate

Red

[British Red]

Just a shameless bump to remind people that the "countdown" clock is ticking......

3 weeks left for anyone who still plans to post an entry....

[weaver]

I may not have time to cobble another. Big project for the Boy Scouts.

Do your Scouts have competitions over there?

We have something called Klondike. The boys pull a sled around a course and do contests at different stations along the way. Our guys have won two years in a row and need a new sled as theirs is falling apart.

If there is any interest, I'll start a new thread so as not to hijack this.

[Singeblister]

I have done a bit more work to mine , still needs some tweeks to make it perfect though , pics to follow when done :)

[British Red]

I may not have time to cobble another. Big project for the Boy Scouts.

Do your Scouts have competitions over there?

We have something called Klondike. The boys pull a sled around a course and do contests at different stations along the way. Our guys have won two years in a row and need a new sled as theirs is falling apart.

If there is any interest, I'll start a new thread so as not to hijack this.
Interesting. They used to but I don't know about nowadays? I'd love to see another thread on the Klondike though if you find the time - the sled work would be fascinating :)

Red

[andyn]

I made a "field expedient" bucksaw over the weekend while in the woods in the mud and rain with little more than a saw blade, a length of coppiced hazel and a length of paracord. (Oh and I used a Knife to make it obviously LOL)
None of this boring "look what i made in the garage with carpenters tools and power tools" malarky ( :lmao: only joking, they look fantastic)...Will edit post with picture for entry tomorrow.

If im too late for entry then never mind as it was good fun making it anyway.

EDIT...heres the pic for my entry.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/156/351502729_a4590613cf.jpg

[stevec]

i mainly used my sak for mine, except the holes which i used a power drill for speeds sake. the joints between the handles and the spreader bar were so tight that at first the blade had no tension no matter how tight the string was! i tried to radius the shoulders of the tennon, and shaved some off the tounge, but then the handles slipped onto the spreader, hence the bolts, just for speed once again, also had run out of wood to use!

sc

[falling rain]

I'm putting in 2 entries.....nearly finished them both........... will post pictures soon.

[OzaawaaMigiziNini]

:banghead: :censored: :banghead: :censored: ...But enough about my progress, how's everyone's saws coming along?

[scanker]

I'll have something to show soon. After struggling to find time for ages, I've now got a rough cut saw which is in the process of final shaping. It's probably not going to win any prizes, but I'm going to have a nice shiny new saw soon! :D

[Hoodoo]

I'm not in the contest but I put this one together over the past holidays. The square notch brace really makes it a strong design with no wobble.

http://www4.gvsu.edu/triert/images17/bucksaw1c.jpg

[OldJimbo]

Well I haven't made any headway due to being busy with helping my buddy fix up to be ready for a move and fixing me up (while I have lots of benefits) in case I retire this year.. Every innovative idea that I've come up with has now been done, though!
Hoodoo: How precise did you have to be with the cross-brace length with that setup? Do you figure it's be workable with long (36") blades and carving things out in the bush?

[Hoodoo]

Not sure about 36 inches. This one is 21 inches and it's rock solid. Making one the same way in the bush is a project that is on my mind. I want to use the knurling on the spine of Joel Bolden's PAK knife to cut the notches to see how it works. The joint needs to be a snug fit.

[British Red]

Want me to make that an entry Hoodoo? It certainly deserves to be and it wouldn't be a "sharps" competition without you and Old Jimbo in it somewhere :)

Red

[Hoodoo]

Want me to make that an entry Hoodoo? It certainly deserves to be and it wouldn't be a "sharps" competition without you and Old Jimbo in it somewhere :)

Red

Nah, that's fine. I'm just looking forward to seeing the rest of them. I just posted this one in case someone was interested in seeing a square notch brace. I also have one I made with a mortise and tenon brace which is also very rigid. I can post a pic of that if someone is interested. I've already posted a pic of the saw in another thread but not taken apart to show the mortise and tenon.

[sam_acw]

I've got behind as I was in Britain over Xmas and I have to work the next two weekends. It should be built but I won't get much time for tuning. My idea is to have a go at lashing the braces on and see if this works. It'll be a good experiment and rope working practice too.

[British Red]

I made a "field expedient" bucksaw over the weekend while in the woods .

If im too late for entry then never mind as it was good fun making it anyway.



Plenty of time mate - just about 3 weeks left so you are well in time - nice job BTW

I think Hoodoo prefers his Lee Reeves to my little axe - I wonder why :D

He's finishing mine off right now..... :approve: .

Red

[OzaawaaMigiziNini]

Alright, have the blade (Swedish Steel replacement for the Trailblazer saw). And the design figured out... thinking...

either birds eye maple or oak, any suggestions? I want a hefty saw, weight always seems to be my preference (go big, or go home :lmao: )

Going to use linseed oil to help expose the grain, and protect it.

Making a sheath to carry it all in (same wood as the saw)

And finally... woodburned vines on the handles, braces and sheath (still working on the design.

I figure function and looks should win me that axe ;)

[scanker]

The square notch brace really makes it a strong design with no wobble.

Is there something hidden that stops lateral movement, Hoodoo, or is it all down to the tight fit of the joints and the tension?

[Hoodoo]

Is there something hidden that stops lateral movement, Hoodoo, or is it all down to the tight fit of the joints and the tension?

I think it all has to do with the close fit in the joints. You need to make sure the tension does not work against the joints so the brace is designed to fit squarely while under tension. The way I did this one was to put nuts on either side of the all-thread for each upright handle, then tightened them down. I used a square to square the blade to the handles. I then cut the brace and fitted it in snugly. Obviously if you are going to use a rope for tension, this wouldn't work, but there's more than one way to skin a cat. :)

[scanker]

Here's my entry:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c287/rcnk/saw2.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c287/rcnk/saw1.jpg

It's made of teak, but it was out of the scrap bin! :rolleyes:

I'm pleased with it and think it's turned out well. I'm currently working on a small saw to take a 12" blade. If it gets finished and there's a slot left at the end of the month I'll probably stick that in too.

If it's any use to anyone, I've found the Zeppelin Bend (http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html) is excellent for tying the knot in the tensioning string as it's very easy to undo after tension.

[British Red]

Now thats a classy looking saw skanker! Teak as well - something rather nice about that!

Lovely work mate - well impressed!

Red

[chrisanson]

Ok chaps ,
I have finale got around to making my buck saw!!
Its all built from scrap out of the skip at work except for the cord and the tension bar that I made from something I found in the shed.
It works very well and is way better than the usual B&Q bow saw use.

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=3496


chris

[sam_acw]

I'm afraid I'm going to have to drop out of the competition. I haven't got much done yet as I've been sick this week and busy at work the rest of the time.

[falling rain]

Ok here’s my entries for the Bucksaw competition.

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1806&cat=500&ppuser=161

The first is a hazel framed affair a’la Mors K’s book Bushcraft. Page 142
The beauty of this version is you only need take the blade with you and build the frame on site with hazel, ash etc or whatever is available. After harvesting the wood (hazel) it took me half an hour to make the whole thing as you see it here, ready to cut logs.



The 2nd entry is my colapsable version.
This can be taken with you in a cloth or leather bag and can be put together ready to go in under a minute. It’s made of pine from B and Q and cost me a little over £5 for materials. It’s very lightweight ( a little over 700 grams ) so less than a kilogram including blade, and very rigid with a robust feel to it once tensioned. In keeping with multi-purpose kit you can also use the ends and crossbar as improvised clothes hangers to dry your clothes over the fire by suspending from the middle of the bars with some cordage, and the cord used for tensioning is ample long enough to use for bow drill fire lighting. Hell you could stir your bannock mixture with the tensioning paddle too (while I'm on a roll) C’mon I’ve got to sell it havn’t I?
I’ve recessed the hand hold areas on both sides for a better and more comfortable grip.

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1807&cat=500&ppuser=161

and folded down.

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1808&cat=500&ppuser=161

British Red.
I've tried to post links to the gallery within this post, If this goes horribly wrong once I've hit the submit button. Can I ask you to do the honours again please kind Sir, and put them in the thread. I'm really not technical enough on computers :confused: :confused: :confused:

[British Red]

Chrisansons saw...........

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/data/500/phpmTDsRgAM.jpg

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/data/500/phpJRdHXsAM.jpg

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/data/500/php2YLg54AM.jpg

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/data/500/phpHZaswDAM.jpg

Red

[British Red]

Falling Rains Entries

The Kochanski.....

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/data/503/Pict3086.jpg

The "Orange Apron" :D

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/data/503/Pict3087.jpg

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/data/503/Pict3091.jpg

Red

[falling rain]

Falling Rains Entries

The Kochanski.....

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/data/503/Pict3086.jpg

The "Orange Apron" :D

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/data/503/Pict3087.jpg

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/data/503/Pict3091.jpg

Red

Thanks BR........you're a star.......and I'm a poet......and I didn't know it. :confused:
:o eeerrrmmmm. 'Orange apron' :confused:

Also thanks again for taking this on (organising the competition) it's just what we need. And people taking part in things, and kind hearted folks taking the trouble to organise things is great for the forum well done dude :You_Rock_

[British Red]

B&Q mate ;)

It could be the "You can do it" saw!

Red

[falling rain]

Right....got your meaning now. Well I'm being honest about where I got my wood from.......and it's still cheaper than certain websites offering similar ready made versions, albeit maybe not quite the same craftsmanship. I made this with my bushcraft knife and....yes I admit it....... a black and decker for the holes for the cordage and wing nuts and bolts to go through. :rolleyes: anyway
Cheers again for getting this together.

[chrisanson]

thanks for puting the pics in red. and sorry to hear you aint to well sam_acw , get well soon m8
chris

[British Red]

Right....got your meaning now. Well I'm being honest about where I got my wood from.......and it's still cheaper than certain websites offering similar ready made versions, albeit maybe not quite the same craftsmanship. I made this with my bushcraft knife and....yes I admit it....... a black and decker for the holes for the cordage and wing nuts and bolts to go through. :rolleyes: anyway
Cheers again for getting this together.
:D

I don't think the broom handles in mine were exactly wild grown either mate ;)

Wood is wood and good seasoned stuff for making a long term saw from makes complete sense to me

Red

[scanker]

Here's my other saw, if there's a spare place.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c287/rcnk/saw3.jpg

Cherry wood this time and only a 12" blade. It will take a standard hacksaw blade too (with smaller bolts).

[OzaawaaMigiziNini]

Here's my other saw, if there's a spare place.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c287/rcnk/saw3.jpg

Cherry wood this time and only a 12" blade. It will take a standard hacksaw blade too (with smaller bolts).


You can have my spot, sorry guys, gotta drop out. Have too much on my plate as is.

[queeg9000]

Working on phase 2 now, in the warm garage with some nice bits of wood i had for christmas, should be ready soon, then i'll get some pickies in.

The Hazel version I tried, snapped on one of the uprights, probably too much tightening! doh :rolleyes: , so i'll fix that too, and make it more in line withs Mors' bucksaw.

The competitions looking really good, there are some superb examples on the thread already, nice work everyone! :You_Rock_

[falling rain]

What's the John Dory ?, :red: .............................. What's the Bobby Moore ? :red: :red:
I was just wondering how many finished entries we have so far and when does the voting start. ? :red:

[OldJimbo]

Well I haven't gotten anywhere due to other things coming up one after the other, so late entires can take my place.
The main thing for me is not only that I couldn't compete with the great entries (really!), but that I believe that this is one of the most enjoyable threads I've ever seen. It's fantastic to see so many neat designs put into reality.

[OzaawaaMigiziNini]

I agree, alot of this stuff would have put my work to shame! :You_Rock_ all of you!

[Big John]

Hi Red, All,

Unfortunately I'm going to have to pull out of this competition, I just havn't had time to get on with it and next weekend isn't looking any better either :( .

Back in December when I signed up, the end of January seemed so far away!

I still plan on making one, and I'll post pics when I finally get there. There have been some fantastic entries which have given me plenty of ideas.

So, there is a spare space, I think there's a waiting list for places so I'll let Red say who's first in line.

Thanks again Red for organsing it and my apologies for ducking out,

[British Red]

Patience young Skywalker......

I promised everyone till the end of January to get their entries in so theres just 8 days to go........

Still plenty of time including one more weekend for anyone tempted to try their hand

Red

Edit to say - sorry - forgot to tick the box - thsi was in response to FR :rolleyes:

[queeg9000]

British Red,

this has been a great competition to enter, it's really inspired me to have a go, thank you very much for setting it up. :You_Rock_

Okay here they are, my main entry is a bucksaw made from Sapele, this was some wood I was given for christmas, as part of a bundle of various types. It cuts and shapes very well, and was a pleasure to work with, I've smoothed and sanded it all down, then finished with wax to bring out the colours of the wood.
It feels like a well balanced saw, and I'm quite proud of it, it cuts well too!

Also is a remake of my Hazel bucksaw, for this I took your advice and used a double brace, and slightly thicker hazel. It too turned out much better, and cuts fine.

Hope you like the saws, and lets hope everyone else does too! :)

[British Red]

Superb work there queeg. Is there any chance you can insert the phots in "viewable" form (without clicking) - it'll really help when I assemble them for the final poll ! The Sapele one is absolutely gorgeous :eek:

I'm bopping around Friday to Tuesday so I'll get to doing the polls as soon as I can after that.

To all the guys who haven't found the time - no worries on my side - we have had an amazing number and quality of entries and they are all superb - ranging from the truly intricate, through the imaginative to the simple and highly bushcrafty. As always, I am stunned by the quality of the membership here. I only wish I had more prizes to give out!

Thanks a load guys - and may the best saw win (still a few days for an entry mind you)

Red

[weaver]

BR,

I think the real prize is knowing that we can make our own kit as well as any available on the market.

And you are "the man" for helping us to realize that! :You_Rock_

[JonnyP]

BR,

I think the real prize is knowing that we can make our own kit as well as any available on the market.

And you are "the man" for helping us to realize that! :You_Rock_
Fully agree......

[queeg9000]

Thanks Red, I'm not too sure why the photos are only clickable, how do i change them to viewable? :confused:

[queeg9000]

Okay think I've got the photos thing, here goes....

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k47/queeg9000/Bushmoot%202006/Bucksaw_Sapele2.jpg

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k47/queeg9000/Bushmoot%202006/Bucksaw_Sapele1.jpg

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k47/queeg9000/Bushmoot%202006/Bucksaw_Hazel1.jpg

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k47/queeg9000/Bushmoot%202006/Bucksaw_Hazel2.jpg

[queeg9000]

arrhhh! didn't work again....... here's attempt number 3!

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k47/queeg9000/Bushmoot%202006/Bucksaw_Sapele1.jpg

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k47/queeg9000/Bushmoot%202006/Bucksaw_Sapele2.jpg

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k47/queeg9000/Bushmoot%202006/Bucksaw_Hazel1.jpg

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k47/queeg9000/Bushmoot%202006/Bucksaw_Hazel2.jpg


Hurray at last, modern technology eh, here i come screaming and kicking into the modern world! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[British Red]

:headbang: :beerchug: :red: :red:

[Ogri the trog]

arrhhh! didn't work again....... here's attempt number 3!

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k47/queeg9000/Bushmoot%202006/Bucksaw_Sapele1.jpg
Hurray at last, modern technology eh, here i come screaming and kicking into the modern world! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Nice curves there Queeg, reminds me of a girl I once knew! :naughty:
Seriously though, nice grain and colour.

Ogri the trog

[woodwalker]

here i come screaming and kicking into the modern world! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

:yikes: take cover!!! :D

Great saws there mate - no twisting or problems I assume, they both at least look lovely and solid.

cheers
woodwalker

[queeg9000]

Nice one Ogri, do i know her too?

and cheers again Red, what a great competition, superb, we'll all have to get together and saw some wood, and drink some beers! :beerchug: maybe at one of the moots?