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Hello all,
Does any know the correct quantities of Potassium P to use when using to purify water, say 1 litre. Also the quantities for use as a antiseptic? Also is it easily ignited?
Thanks
Mark
Hello all,
Does any know the correct quantities of Potassium P to use when using to purify water, say 1 litre. Also the quantities for use as a antiseptic? Also is it easily ignited?
Thanks
Mark
Lofty says to "add to water and mix until water becomes bright pink to sterilise it, deeper pink to make an antiseptic and to a full red to treat fungal disease such as athlete's foot."
Saying that, it's supposedly not the best thing to be drinking these days!!!
Spacemonkey
09-10-2006, 22:06
It's ok for firelighting, but to be honest there are much easier ways. It's also not exactly the best thing for purification. Good for footbaths though for athletes foot...
Scuba Pete
09-10-2006, 23:44
You only need tiny amounts to colour water deeply. Also it stains your hands and alot of things it comes into contact with, so be careful.
When I was first putting together my pocket survival tin I had a look at the potassium permangenate bit in Lofty's book and decided against it. The military's iodine tablets have always looked like a better alternative to me, especially for a pocket kit.
My two cents.
Adam
Graham_S
10-10-2006, 01:21
i keep a vial in my firelighting kit (along with some glycol.) it's impressive when it works, but i find it's a little temperamental.
handy to have, but i'd hate to have to rely on it.
Thanks for the feedback.
Mark
It's good for marking the snow if you needed a good contrast in an emergency, although I imagine you'd need quite a bit!!
Klenchblaize
10-10-2006, 12:43
Makers of fine fiddle-back maple rifle stocks have been known to use it in their
attempts to "bring out the grain". This and scorching with a blow torch - the later proberly the better if you have the nerve and a steady hand!
Scuba Pete
10-10-2006, 15:10
It also kills earth worms, the solution brings them to the surface.
mark wood
10-10-2006, 20:29
There was an article by a chemist in SWAT magazine in the eighties about Potassium Permangernate. The view was that it is a very ineffective steriliser - a small amount of organic matter in the water could render it ineffective - I wouldn't trust it!
Mark
Tell that to Lofty Wiseman. :p
but the crystals are so pretty
There was an article by a chemist in SWAT magazine in the eighties about Potassium Permangernate. The view was that it is a very ineffective steriliser - a small amount of organic matter in the water could render it ineffective - I wouldn't trust it!
Mark
I'm not fond of it myself, but I don't see how the organic matter works like that; it's sold to sterilise water butts in gardens.........which if they're anything like mine have everything from leaf litter to newts in them :o ....why I don't sterilize them. I know most are usually from roof run off, but that's full of gunk too.
Is the no organic matter peraps why the Millbank bags are used too?
Cheers,
Toddy
Hello all
This chemical is toxic - good for external use when diluted for athlete's foot, good for signalling in snow / on water - on the calm sea can be seen from way off from the air, but only until it disperses...
Best use iodine (in lightproof container!) then vitamin C (ascorbic acid) for neutralising in a different container (or just put up with the taste...) but always read the label.
Lofty's books are for SURVIVAL situations - and I'd rather not risk it myself! A bit like those books that say a couple of drops of bleach do the trick...er, no thanks...
Oh yes - 8 to 1 ratio of PP to sugar works nice if you crush it between two stones, and a drop of glycerine can get that lovely lilac flame in a minute or so.
But leave the chemical sterilising to tried & tested means - iodine - or take it with you.
My outlook is that if we can use the laboratory *outside* of the body first, then use it! Otherwise, good luck!
Fred
Spacemonkey
10-10-2006, 23:21
Hello all
Hi!!
.... A bit like those books that say a couple of drops of bleach do the trick...er, no thanks...
Well..... the biggest reason for life expectancy increase in the modern world is due to.... chlorinated water. Bleach that is... My dad's water comes off the mountains from the resevoir and is piped untreated into massive cisternas above his house. Once the calculations were done, the correct amount of straightforward household bleach is poured in, to the approx ratio of 1-2 drops per litre. They're still alive after 2.5 years, and in fact much better health than when they lived here. I still wouldn't like to try the potassium permangenate though. I'm going to stop here though as I always descend in to a pyrotechnic discussion and promptly get told off for my schoolboy firebug ways... ;)
Spacemonkey
10-10-2006, 23:22
Double post 'cos this 'effing thing is playing silly beggars...
Double post 'cos this 'effing thing is playing silly beggars...
That's other words for "Spam Post"!! ;)
I get that too though, I use a wireless connection and if someone breathes out too hard I lose the connection!