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wanderinstar
13-05-2006, 13:09
Hi all,
I am thinking of organizing a group buy for an underblanket or a peapod sleeping bag for group hammock. The companies I will be approaching will be Snugpak and Nanok, depending on opinion.
The reason for this post is to gauge opinion and possible demand. Also do I, we, go for underblanket or peapod bag. Have no idea as yet about costs, spec, or timeframe. As I say a very general enquiry at moment.
Let me know what you think.
Ian.
MagiKelly
14-05-2006, 21:46
Just to add Ian asked me a bit about this so I know the plan is to ask the companies about making an underblanket to suit the group buy type hammocks. My experience of underblankets is good so if these can be turned out at a good price it would be well worth the investment.
jamesoconnor
14-05-2006, 21:59
im a definite. im going to get one anyway so if theres a group buy going on this id be up for it. no matter how long i had to wait. how did you get on magickelly with the test of the underblanket you got from that american site?
regards
james :D
I for one would certainly be interested in something suitable for sleeping on as my 3/4" thick, 3/4 length mat and swannie, just don't keep me warm enough underneath in the winter.
What is a peapod sleeping bag.................Jon
I am interested in the underblanket if it is to fit the Magikelly hammocks, Cost dependant of course!
wanderinstar
15-05-2006, 05:28
Jon,
A peapod sleeping bag is basically a sleeping bag that has a hole in each end so that your hammock fits inside the bag. The main problem with sleeping bags is that you compress the insulation at the bottom as you lie on it . Hence why you need a Thermarest or similar. So if you put the bag outside the hammock ,no compression so far better insulation. Hope that helps.
Ian.
Would be interested in either, price dependant ;)
I have been looking at the 'Kickass' under quilt idea (this lines the underside of a hammock) for my MagiKelly group buy hammock. I am sure that I could source all the correct materials from Point North. The difficulty is that which I'm sure others suffer from 'too much to do in too little time' syndrome ! Consequently an offer of a group buy of something along similar lines is very tempting.
I would not want anything inside my hammock except my sleeping bag. At present I am sleeping on a short Thermarest and the hammock is lined inside with a horse blanket to stop the cold creeping in where my arms and hips touch the outside material. This is a pain to put mildly. It would be really nice NOT to have all this stuff inside!
Just a last point, after 40 + years of sleeping on the ground using various systems and now the proud posessor of a Fat Airic mat,I am a total convert to the hammock idea (thanks to MagiKelly) so the RIGHT underquilt of good quality, which would pack small and work well, would be a real find.
Perhaps there should be a choice of two seasons in the group buy as I'm sure there are people who would use their hammocks well into winter and I can not see a summer liner working as well as a thicker winter one. Horses for courses.
Thanks Wanderinstar from Swyn
PS, I would wand two!
I'd be interested, winter is just around the corner already. LOL
Willowbark
15-05-2006, 09:40
I'de be interested to see where your enquiries lead and would probably want a couple if the price wasn't too steep.
jdlenton
15-05-2006, 09:46
I'd be intrested in one I have an eco sleep can anyone compare the group buys to the echo sleep? if a pea pod was made would it fit my eco ? i think i could just modifiy an under quilt though
James
Buckshot
15-05-2006, 14:09
Hmm, Sounds interesting...
Price and details depending
Mark
wanderinstar
15-05-2006, 20:36
I have a question for you all. Do I go for the underblanket, which fits under the hammock leaving the top open and just your sleeping bag to keep you warm, or the peapod bag that completly encompasses the hammock. In the summer you could use it on its own and in the winter you could use your existing bag inside, so giving you more protection.
I personally have a Nanok Endurance 0 deg, into which you can fit an Endurance -10deg and according to Nanok this will give protection down to -25deg.
Hope I have made myself clear.
Tell me what you want!!
Ian.
Jon,
A peapod sleeping bag is basically a sleeping bag that has a hole in each end so that your hammock fits inside the bag. The main problem with sleeping bags is that you compress the insulation at the bottom as you lie on it . Hence why you need a Thermarest or similar. So if you put the bag outside the hammock ,no compression so far better insulation. Hope that helps.
Ian.
Sure does help..............Cheers Ian.
Saying that, I for one would rather buy an under blanket as I already have a sleeping bag or four. Are the underblankets wind proof ?...................Jon
MagiKelly
15-05-2006, 20:48
Underblanket. Gives more flexibility and means you can move about more. For a pea pod to be as comfortable it would have to be very wide and therefore large and heavy. With the underblanket you can dispense with the sleeping bag and just use a top blanket but I would tend to think of it as just replacing the thermarest and still use a sleeping bag.
Would definitely be interested in an underblanket. Have been toying with the idea of making something along the lines of Kickass quilt for my HH for a while, but in reality I'm lacking the time to do it. Group buy sounds like a great idea to me.
Eric_Methven
16-05-2006, 00:13
I like the sound of the underblanket. I'd be up for one.
Eric
Would you be able to use the under blanket as a thermarest alternative when sleeping on the ground?
I only occassionally sleep in a hammock..
Graywolf
16-05-2006, 05:13
I would go for the under blanket
Clayton
wanderinstar
16-05-2006, 06:31
Wayne,
I dont think it would work on the ground, as it is basically 1/2 a sleeping bag . So when used on ground it would compress same as sleeping bag.
Ian.
My vote is for an under blanket ;)
I might be interested in an underblanket - I guess it depends on cost, size, and weight really. I currently own both 0 and -10 nanoks and a peapod would probably be a larger item to have to carry than a quilt.
Also, I'm a bit confused - when you say it goes 'under the hammock' do you mean it fits to the outside of the hammock, so you lie with sleeping bag touching hammock, or do you mean it goes inside between your bag and the hammock? If the former, whats the advantage?
It's the former, and the advantage is because your weight's taken by the hammock, the insulation in the underquilt is not compressed and keeps you warm better.
Ian,
An underblanket would be my choice.
As I understand this thread, the underblanket fits on the outside of the hammock and provides thermal protection.
Therefore I could dump my inflateable mat and just use a bag for general warmth.
Regarding design, for me I'd be looking for compact pack size (smaller the better), lighter than the inflateable mat. Obviously warmer than using a mat.
A real plus would be windproof and water repelent so it could be used on cold dry days with no tarp.
If it's a toasty design I could use two, one as an underblanket and the other as a quilt that means I could dump my sleeping bag which hogs nearly half my rucksack! :thinkerg:
Sounds interesting
Cheers
David
I sometimes sling a blanket around the underside of the hammock so an underblanket sounds very interesting.
How would it attach to the hammock? not velcro I hope, horrible stuff. :yuck:
wanderinstar
16-05-2006, 20:11
Well I have made enquiries with both companies. Nanok wont deal with me only through a retailer. As the retailer will want his cut this will up the price, So I think Nanok is a no-.no. On the other hand Snugpack were very helpful, they asked if I had a sample. Hopefully Magikelly will oblige on that front. So I will keep you posted.
Gary I dont know yet how they fix to hammock, nothing definate been planned at the moment, but things are looking promising.
Oh, sorry I should have said in original post, but this group buy will be a money up front buy. As I cannot afford to pay for hopefully 50 underblankets in one go.
Hope everyone understands.
Ian.
Hi Wanderinstar. No problems with money up front this end, providing this is a quality item. In a world with a lot of tat available, quality always pays in the long run, providing it does not come at a rip off price.
I also feel that this is Nanoks loss and to make sure that Snugpack can come up to MagiKellys discerning eye.
Thanks from Swyn.
MagiKelly
16-05-2006, 22:13
I also feel that this is Nanoks loss and to make sure that Snugpack can come up to MagiKellys discerning eye.
You sure you have the right person :rolleyes:
gregorach
17-05-2006, 10:23
Are we talking synthetic or down here? 'Cos I just bought a down bag and I don't fancy going back... ;)
wanderinstar
18-05-2006, 19:11
Dont know yet Duncan. Am hopefully going to see them Sat morning with a sample so we can discuss both. Cost may be prohibitive, but then there is weight and size of down to also consider.
Any more design points that I should bring up?
Ian.
Are you intending the design to work with a conventional hammock or will it be compatible with the asymetric HH? Have been looking at Hennesseys underblanket design but a quilted one seems like a better idea to me anyway.
lardbloke
18-05-2006, 19:42
count me in....
pending the obvious cost. quality, pack size etc......
(originally posted by MagiKelly)You sure you have the right person
Of course! :D :D :D
wanderinstar
20-05-2006, 08:57
Right, now for an update.
First Toots it will fit an Asym, according to KAQ info on site.
The chap I was talking to at Snugpak is away on business for a fortnight but am taking the KAQ sample in anyway.
I will be asking for a windproof, water repellent cover, Softie Premier insulation, layer of Reflectatherm insulation, [this is a space age technology metalised fabric designed to reflect 15% of heat back to its source i.e. you.] followed by a high wicking and quick drying material for a liner. Just in case anyones worried about metalised fabric , Snugpak say that it is "undetectable by touch in the sleeping bag or garment"
Ian.
I would be up for a couple if the price is right, good work all, appreciated. :)
Must resist group buy, I must be strong! Its no good mate, sounds a very good idea that I would definately be interested in ;)
Brian
Don Redondo
20-05-2006, 23:22
certainly would be interested in a kickass style underquilt.... price dependant [like everything else]
raskusdrotti
20-05-2006, 23:45
I'd be interested in an underblanket too - price dedendant :D
Neil
Sweet. Definitely in for one then.
Angus Og
21-05-2006, 09:32
Interested in a underblanket.
wentworth
21-05-2006, 11:06
Seems like everyone is already sold on an underquilt. Just my 2 cents, but a peapod will be lighter than carrying an underquilt and another quilt/ sleeping bag to use over the top. There is overlap between the two quilts, making that part of the insulation and nylon superfluous.
But depending on price, I may be interested in one of these too. Can't resist group buys....
hawsome34
21-05-2006, 11:59
I would definately be interested in an undercover, sod the price.
Seems like everyone is already sold on an underquilt. Just my 2 cents, but a peapod will be lighter than carrying an underquilt and another quilt/ sleeping bag to use over the top. There is overlap between the two quilts, making that part of the insulation and nylon superfluous.
But depending on price, I may be interested in one of these too. Can't resist group buys....What do you see are the advantages in both the underquilt and peapod systems Wentworth mate,I know you are knowledgeable in this area?.
Could we all see some pics of the various types?
wentworth
21-05-2006, 13:55
The Peapod style is lighter than an over and underquilt. They can both be used as a warm coat round camp if a head hole with velcro is provided, reducing the need for a warm jacket.
The underquilt takes more tweaking to rig it properly for very cold weather, so that there is absolutely no air gap between hammock and underquilt.
Both are great ideas, but the peapod can only work on open hammocks like the eco system or the group buy hammocks. Hennessy hammock users have to use underquilts.
Both can be used on the ground if need be, assuming you carry a bit of foam or sleep on your pack. But if it gets too cold for the hammock, both the over and underquilts can be put on top of you on the ground, to provide maximum insulation, while the peapod would have to be used as a regular sleeing bag.
Since I already have an underquilt I wouldn't mind a peapod ;) but that's just selfishness. I'll post some pictures of my underquilt setup tomorrow when there's some light for the camera.
In the meantime:
The JRB nest down underquilt, which attaches to the Hennessy entry:
http://www.jacksrbetter.com/index_files/Products%20List_files/DSC00382%20The%20Nest%20Slit%2 02.JPG
The kickassquilt, synthetic:
http://www.kickassquilts.com/images/potomacFull/underside2.jpg
The Speer peapod (scroll down to see pics):
http://www.speerhammocks.com/Product%20Pictures/product%20Pictures.htm
wanderinstar
21-05-2006, 14:05
Wentworth,
You are aware that the group buy is for an underblanket and not a peapod.
Ian.
Top man Wentworth mate ;)
wentworth
21-05-2006, 14:08
Hi Wandering Star,
At the start of the thread you were asking which people would prefer, so I was responding to that. I'd still be interested in whatever snugpack come up with, depending on the price.
Interested in 2-3 of them, price dependent
beamdune
21-05-2006, 17:49
I'm interested (depending on price)
Im also interested in 1-2 depending on price ;)
rapidboy
21-05-2006, 20:54
I'm interested (depending on price)
interested depending on price
weekend_warrior
21-05-2006, 22:26
Me too - depending on price... :rolleyes: :D
I've got a sleeping bag which I can put around my (group buy) hammock, I found it to be very warm and comfy. My girlfriend's sleeping bag can't do that though, so I'd be interested in a peapod (what a name!) for her.
Though I realize this groupbuy is for an underblanket.. I'm interested for maybe one, if it looks good, good price, is easy, etc.
Interested in an underblanket, be amazed if sungpak or similar came on board though. 50 units is nothing to a manufacturer and the set up/design costs are significant.
go on then me too depending on price'for two anyway
halo
wanderinstar
25-05-2006, 19:16
While I am waiting for my contact at Snugpak to get back to me on Weds. Thought I would ask if anyone is thinking of bushcrafting anywhere really cold though the summer as I will be getting a sample made up and could do with a review or two doing before I get the rest made up. Hence somewhere really cold.
Thank you for all the interest so far.
Ian.
Well I'll be in Arctic Norway but it's pretty mild in Summer... :rolleyes:
I shall be hammocking as much as possible over the summer ;)
MagiKelly
26-05-2006, 00:07
I'll be hammocking just not sure how cold it will be in sunny Scotland :)
I'll be in norway beginning of july
Ian
hawsome34
26-05-2006, 08:19
Hi I'm going nowhere particularly cold, but plenty of different places across the UK.
This weekend in the peak district, next in the lakes, mid-june brecon, late june sussex. Mid july sunny scotland, then the lkes and noth wales. Dartmoor in August.
I can certainly give you a good idea of how it will perform in a variety of micro-climates, and the weather will usually provide me with plenty of rain(why me??) as I have only managed 2 dry camps in the last 2 years (okay each was aa week long) and have a HH ultralight, so a cool(temperature) hammock.
Let me know, and as I stated earilier, I'll still be up for buying 1, come on SP get the prototypes completed so we can benefit from a working model by Sep.
Steve
I would be interested in an underquilt (price depending !).
I bought a US poncholiner to use as a underquilt with my henny . I just havnt got brave enough to cut and stitch it , or come up with a design that works . allthough if tied to the inside of your basha it does warm the inside a tad as it helps to reduce heat loss .
Pumbaa
sauroman
27-05-2006, 20:25
I was away camping with my hammock last month and it was bloody freezing...well, I did have to test out my new insect net lol.
Definalty count me in for 1, maybe 2 under blankets if the goup buy goes ahead :)
Graham_S
29-05-2006, 22:11
i'm in. i was looking at making one, but if someone else is going to make one (and it'll probably be better than anything i could make) i might as well.
Ogri the trog
29-05-2006, 22:33
I've been trying to resist spending any more cash on things like this but it's going to happen in the end :p
Count me in - to which I have to add - price dependant.
Ogri the trog
me as well depending on price lads !
1-2 dependent on price...
i'd be interested in an underblanket. i'm sure yarrow, missy' and hawthorn would be n'll. i'll let them know (as yarrow and missy' are lynx spotting in sweden as i type and hawthorn is propping up the roehampton's student union) and get back to you.
Dougster
31-05-2006, 21:37
Tempte, would be interested in reviews and cost.
Colin McGlade
01-06-2006, 20:46
I'm interested depending on price
outdoorgirl
02-06-2006, 15:32
Also interested; I was going to buy one from KAQ but if you can get it cheaper / quicker and it's at least as good, I'm in. No time to make one these days... :(
Just need more places to hang the hammock, since I found out that public sites won't allow them!
PhilParry
04-06-2006, 11:09
I'm interested, but as I sit here waiting for my first hammock to arrive (can't wait Magikelly! :red: ) I've no experience of trying to keep warm in a hammock! :o
My own (uneducated and assumptive! :rolleyes: ) thoughts on the topic - Why can't you use a sleeping bag/ with a thermarest inside it if it's cold? :bluThinki
I can't wait to be enlightened! :D
Phil
Graham_S
04-06-2006, 12:17
you can, and many of us do. (i use a thermarest andsleeping bag in a bivvi bag in bad weather)
the underquilt is simpler and lends itself to using with a quilt instead of a sleeping bag.
MagiKelly
04-06-2006, 12:40
As Graham says a thermarest in your sleeping bag works great but an underblanket is way more comfortable.
wanderinstar
04-06-2006, 13:11
I have a Gelert self inflating mat, but what I found was that the mat is just a bit norrower than my shoulders. So when in hammock the sides of hammock compress my bag in the shoulder area giving cold shoulders in the night. It also tends to move a bit in the night, I'm a restless sleeper, or so the wife says. I dont notice it myself.
Ian.
British Red
04-06-2006, 16:11
Ian,
Certainly interested dependant on price and Magikelly claiming the last of my cash if his tarp group buy goes ahead
Red
hawsome34
05-06-2006, 19:22
WanderinStar
Hope all is well, any news or progress from your man at snugpak?
Cheers.
______________________________ _____________________________
If you pile your clothing round the sides of your sleeping bag inside the hammock that adds a little more insulation and acts as a great windbreak. Though its always better to have the windbreak on the outside of the hammock, and you can add clothing, dry grass etc as insulation.
I was going to buy a hennessy undercover and blanket, Magikelly how did yours perform?? :approve:
Danceswithhelicopters
05-06-2006, 19:53
Design and price dependent I'd be intertested. I'll hold on ordering the KAQ. A Hennessy opening design would be best for me.
MagiKelly
05-06-2006, 23:06
WanderinStar
Hope all is well, any news or progress from your man at snugpak?
Cheers.
______________________________ _____________________________
If you pile your clothing round the sides of your sleeping bag inside the hammock that adds a little more insulation and acts as a great windbreak. Though its always better to have the windbreak on the outside of the hammock, and you can add clothing, dry grass etc as insulation.
I was going to buy a hennessy undercover and blanket, Magikelly how did yours perform?? :approve:
I think you will find the progress with Snugpak will be slow so I would settle in for the longish haul. Think how long the insect netting took :rolleyes:
I got on well with mine although I have not used it that much. When I did it was over two nights. The first night was cold, a little above freezing and the people in tents were complaining about the cold. I was not :) It is far more comfortable than having the thermarest in your sleeping bag so I am a real convert.
PJMCBear
09-06-2006, 13:41
Underblanket - if the price is right.
wanderinstar
09-06-2006, 18:59
Well at last, the long awaited update. Went to see Snugpak this afternoon and saw the MD and Factory manager, both very nice people. They were very interested in what we want. Would have had a sample to try out but there was one or two things they weren't sure off. I have now explained. They will hopefully have a price and possibly a sample next w/end. It will have Softie 9 for insulation which should keep us nice and warm.
Looks like its going to be o goer. Watch this space.
Ian.
Good on yer Ian..............Jon
wolf man
10-06-2006, 11:38
This sound interesting. Could you put me down for two (if the price and weight are right!)
I am really pleased to hear that snugpak are moving ahead with the underquilt. I hear what MagiKelly says about the 'long haul'! Will be ready for the autmn then....Just about the right time for this item to come into it's own. Well done Wanderinstar. Keep up the good work and thanks from Swyn.
Well at last, the long awaited update. Went to see Snugpak this afternoon and saw the MD and Factory manager, both very nice people. They were very interested in what we want. Would have had a sample to try out but there was one or two things they weren't sure off. I have now explained. They will hopefully have a price and possibly a sample next w/end. It will have Softie 9 for insulation which should keep us nice and warm.
Looks like its going to be o goer. Watch this space.
Ian.Top man,very much looking forward to your next progress update!
I'd be interested in 1-2 depending upon price.
The luverly down bag that I use in my Eco has generally kept me toasty on a frosty night, even when my rear end, which comes with it's own ample natural padding, was somewhat chilly. Can't be bothered with a mat, so quilting would be fantastic for that extra comfort.
ken.
PhilParry
13-06-2006, 08:48
Ok...I'm convinced...count me in! :D
Thanks for all the work btw!
Phil
Sounds promising. With luck they should be able to give you a rough idea of cost once the prototype has been made.
Good work
Moduser
wanderinstar
16-06-2006, 20:22
There has been a slight hiccup with the legalities of blanket. This has now been sorted but it has thrown things back a bit. Now have a new design, slightly better than other one IMHO. As soon as I know anything, re cost and prototype, you will.
Ian.
Nice one Ian!
I've only just seen this thread and it may mean I don't have to make my own. I've been keeping my eyes peeled for a cheap sleeping bag I can convert for some time now but this should be ideal.
wanderinstar
21-06-2006, 16:38
Just been in to see Snugpak this afternoon. Think I have ironed out all problems. They will now make a sample and get a price sorted. After which we can get a couple of reviews done, then its down to you. Would really like to order 50 at a time, going back through thread there must be 50 names down already so it's looking good.
Ian.
John yours in post tonight.
outdoorgirl
21-06-2006, 16:46
That's great news, wanderinstar - well done for getting this organised! Any ideas of timescales yet?
I'll definitely be up for at least one if things work out well...
ODG
lardbloke
21-06-2006, 16:50
I cant wait for the review..........
Just been in to see Snugpak this afternoon. Think I have ironed out all problems. They will now make a sample and get a price sorted. After which we can get a couple of reviews done, then its down to you. Would really like to order 50 at a time, going back through thread there must be 50 names down already so it's looking good.
Ian.
John yours in post tonight.Marvelous news mate,very much looking forward to a review and some pics! :)
Thats great, looking forward to the review, I will have to set aside some cash for when they are ready, great work mate. :D
Brian
wanderinstar
21-06-2006, 19:50
ODG,
I am hoping within the next 2 weeks. Will keep you all posted.
Ian.
Just Jeff
24-06-2006, 04:41
Hey all - this is my first post here...saw this thread mentioned at whiteblaze.net.
Just wanted to point out that I have pics and info about the JRB, KAQ and PeaPod on my site for those who may be unfamiliar with these products. Start here if you're interested:
http://www.tothewoods.net/HammockCampingWarm.html
I also wanted to ask a question. I'm not sure what the norms are in this forum, but I'm interested if anyone has asked Patrick how he feels about Snugpac manufacturing his design for profit. I know how much work he put into making his quilts the quality product you're using for the Snugpac prototype, and it seems to me that asking a company to copy his design without his involvement is, well, stealing. If he's involved or has given his permission, I may be wrong on this - but basing my knowledge only on what's been discussed in this thread it looks like Snugpac is about to profit from Patrick's hard work without compensating him. Personally, I'd have hesitations about doing business with a company with those ethics. Am I misunderstanding what's going on here?
wanderinstar
24-06-2006, 05:38
There has been a slight hiccup with the legalities of blanket. This has now been sorted but it has thrown things back a bit. Now have a new design, slightly better than other one IMHO. As soon as I know anything, re cost and prototype, you will.
Ian.
Jeff,
If you had fully read the thread you would have found the above. Patrick was contacted and didn't want us to use his design. Hence.
"Now have a new design"
Patrick was sent a copy of new design for his comments, but to date has failed to comment.
Ian.
Kickass Patrick
24-06-2006, 06:17
Ian, I got information from MagiKelly about your design, which I responded to. I had a few suggestions, some based on me going down a couple of the same roads as you guys were looking at. After that, John sent me a sketch that I believe you had drawn. I haven't responded to that yet, but will send you a private message.
I'm interested to see how the finished product turns out. As always, a great way to save money on an underquilt is making your own. I have plans on my site for free. It's really satisfying to make your own gear. Stop saying you don't have time! You'll have something you can use forever and you'll be glad you made the time. Three or four evenings should be all it takes.
Whichever you end up with, it's good to see so many people interested in hammocking and realizing that insulating them doesn't have to be prohibitive or complicated.
I'm going to stick my oar in here!
Timewise I could have had a professional kickass quilt made by Patrick, BUT, the uncertainties of buying from the USA quite put me off with the customs charges etc. I'm very impressed with his design and looked at it with serious interest with regard to making it here. My wife runs a professional sewing manufacturing business...She looked at me in horror that she should spend a whole day doing the sewing on this lovely design when she is very busy, and, the last thing she wants in her workshop is her useless husband forever asking questions!!! So the next best thing was to ask Wanderinstar to continue with his quest for a UK version using a BCUK group buy. So far this has proved the best option for me.
I hope that Kickass Patrick and Wanderinstar will resolve any copyright issues that may arise from this. I hope that this all remains above board to the mutual benefit of ALL involved. Swyn
Kickass Patrick
24-06-2006, 15:55
I don't have any issues. I think more available designs can only help everyone. My only real agenda is to get you guys sewing your own.
Just Jeff
24-06-2006, 16:14
If you had fully read the thread...
Wow - a bit more presumptuous and defensive than I expected, but if that's your style, it's cool. Just b/c I read it doesn't mean it answered all of my questions.
It's Patrick's design, so as long as he's going along with it my questions are answered. I just don't like to see the big guys come along and pressure the cottage manufacturers out of business - especially when the innovative designs usually come from cottage manufacturers like Patrick. So I asked the question.
I hope you all enjoy your hammocks! Like Patrick said, it's really not hard to stay warm in cold temps, and his underquilts are a great way to do that.
(FWIW, I have one of his quilts but have no business relationship or financial interest in Kickass Quilts.)
wanderinstar
24-06-2006, 16:58
Excuse me. But the design we are now going with is MY design and not Patricks.
Ian.
Ian.........I want to say thanks for all the hard work you are doing, trying to do us a service and I hope it all ends up ok................Jon :You_Rock_
Hi Ian, your design looks great. I would be interested in one if there is still room on the list?
Ade
Has the design been published then? I'd be interested in seeing what you came up with? (I (read my wife) recently made one based on Patrick's design.)
wanderinstar
25-06-2006, 08:32
Scanker,
No the design hasn't been published. Don't know how Ade has seen it , unless Magikelly has shown him my rough drawing I sent to him.
Ian.
mikehill
25-06-2006, 18:29
Please put me down for one Ian, and thanks for the work you've put into this :)
Mike.
Oops,
for "looks" substitute "I imagine it should look great and work well".
:)
Ade
MagiKelly
26-06-2006, 11:05
Just back from a weekend outdoors so catching up here. Unfortunately my Kick *** Quilt arrived back after I left so I ended up testing the Reindeer Skin instead. This also slightly delays me in doing a full review of the underquilt but does let me know how it compares to a reindeer skin (the underblanket is better :) )
Just for clarity I would like to explain how this group buy process went, just so everyone is clear that we have not been trying to rip off Patrick. Patrick as an absolute stand up guy and I would not under any circumstances participate in undermining him.
The plan was to see about getting some underblankets made for a group of us to save ion manufacturing costs and to avoid the uncertainties of ordering from abroad. The actual design of the underblanket was not settled at this stage as it was expected that the manufacturer may have a large input into design. My underblanket (one of Patrick's) was shown to the manufacturer to give them an idea of the sort of thing we were talking about. The manufacturer thought we were asking for a direct copy but this was not the case, however, I suggested it might be worth asking Patrick if we could use his design, before we got into the design process proper. Patrick was understandably not keen and we moved on the the design process proper.
Ian sent me the first rough sketch which I commented on and forwarded to Patrick for his comments. I also gave my comments to Ian (who is is really running this, I am just helping / hindering [delete as appropriate :) ]). Ian took on board the comments and send me a revised sketch which I forwarded to Patrick.. Patrick has not yet commented on this design to me but he has already been more than helpful with comments and this is extremely generous of him since he is helping to reduce his market in some ways.
I have also spoken to Patrick about supplying his underblankets on a group rate and this may still be a possibility, depending on Snugpak's price but there are issues of volume of work, postage and duty to be taken into account.
I hope this clarifies things and lets everyone see that we are not in any way trying to undermine or rip off Patrick (Patrick already knows this). I have one of Patrick's underquilts and highly recommend them. I have dealt with Patrick and I highly recommend him too :) .
Kickass Patrick
26-06-2006, 19:11
John, thank you for the kind words. I'm not necessarily averse to a group buy. It's just that, being as I'm a midnight and weekend seamster, I worry about getting overwhelmed. But if there's interest, we can talk about prices, times, quantities, etc. Thanks, again.
...if there's interest...
If there's interest?
Patrick, there's interest.
gregorach
26-06-2006, 19:54
John, thank you for the kind words. I'm not necessarily averse to a group buy. It's just that, being as I'm a midnight and weekend seamster, I worry about getting overwhelmed. But if there's interest, we can talk about prices, times, quantities, etc. Thanks, again.
Hee hee - you do know that John's now on his sixth hammock group buy, don't you?
MagiKelly
26-06-2006, 22:03
Hee hee - you do know that John's now on his sixth hammock group buy, don't you?
The sixth has been and gone. Names are already building for the 7th :rolleyes:
Patrick I will email you again about the posability of a group buy but be warned if we could sort out a good price you could be spending every spare moment making underblankets for the next six months.
Kickass Patrick
26-06-2006, 22:51
Sounds good. If we can work it out, that would be great. If it doesn't happen, at least my girlfriend won't leave me.
Don Redondo
28-06-2006, 11:31
I just don't like to see the big guys come along and pressure the cottage manufacturers out of business - especially when the innovative designs usually come from cottage manufacturers
Hmm......... I see your point Jeff, but I have to say I was somewhat peeved to see the Jacks offering the tarp tensioners I had posted at Sgt Rocks. Whilst I put them up for all to use and copy, some sort of recognition from the Jacks would have been nice, especially as they are a commercial concern....
different rules for different people?
Just Jeff
28-06-2006, 16:24
Nope - send them an email about it. I would have. Better yet, give them a call.
wanderinstar
03-07-2006, 18:26
Well have just heard from Snugpak. The sample is ready and will be sent to me tonight. Also have a price but will wait till I get sample to check on postage before I announce an all in price. At last things are moving forward.
Ian.
hawsome34
03-07-2006, 22:37
IAN,
Hope this is a good sign that they can produce quickly and to your spec.
If all goes well, dont forget I definately want one of these.
Though it wouldn't suprise me if snugpak in a year or so decide to start selling hammocks and accessories. Its a big market, and they have a lot of market awareness, get your design in first create your own sleep system, and get some mullar from the corporates.
Challenge the norm, and make it a full system including hammock. Enclosed, snugpak hammock. Now theres a project for you!! Breathable, waterproof, windproof and small packsize, lightweight and from a well known maker. You can only win Ian. :You_Rock_
Oh and get a move on with these prices, I need to spend some. haha
wanderinstar
07-07-2006, 21:58
OK everybody. Have now received sample from Snugpak. It weighs 1.095kg and is supplied in a compression stuffsack. I have placed it alongside group buy hammock as a reference for pack size. (Will put photo on later when I figure out how to do it)
It is made using Softie 9 insulation, going with Snugpak's advice I didn't put the metalised fabric in. The all important fact, the price, is £49.39 inc postage. To try and keep the price down have decided just to accept cheques or cash.
As stated previously I want to put an order in to Snugpak for 50. Checking through the previous posts there must be at least 50 there.
I am hoping to get a few people to test it out, although testing for insulation is going to be difficult this weather. Hopefully Snugpaks reputation will cover that side of things.
Ian.
Have just read through all posts to refresh my memory. Obviously the postage price is for UK mainland. Anyone beyond that, PM me and I will get you a price on postage.
Great . Could you pm me your address please and i will stick a check in the post .
Pumbaa
rapidboy
07-07-2006, 22:02
PM sent re pics
The price sounds right to me, I'm going to be in Norway for the next couple of months but I'm definately interested in two.
Of course it'll have to be a nice bushcrafty green... ;)
Hello Wanderinstar. Please send me two. I would be very happy to try them out. Not particularly cold here though yet. Please PM me for payment details and I will send a cheque. Ta from Swyn.
rapidboy
07-07-2006, 23:31
It weighs 1.095kg and is supplied in a compression stuffsack. I have placed it alongside group buy hammock as a reference for pack size.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/rapidboy1/Underblanket.jpg
MagiKelly
07-07-2006, 23:37
RB beat me to it. Confirm me for one subject to positive trials ;)
Sounds good to me, count me in................Jon
Graham_S
08-07-2006, 01:10
i'm in. pm me your address.
or if you're at the moot i could give you cash there.
looking forward to it.
Not for me, as my wife has recently made one. I just wanted to comment that I think that's a very good price - the materials I bought for mine came to about that or even a bit more. I'd be interested to read any reviews but most importantly, top marks to wanderinstar for a well organised group buy.
Angus Og
08-07-2006, 08:24
I would still like one. Could you send me payment details.
OK.
I'll go for one, please, providing it passes its trials!:D :You_Rock_
Count me in please :) .
Wills
wanderinstar
08-07-2006, 12:29
Just a thought. When anyone sends payment please put in your Username and name and address. Otherwise I wont be able to tie cheque up to list from here. Will get in touch with Snugpak on Monday to sort timeframe out.
Thanks.
Ian.
Ian, can we expect to see some action shots ;)
wildrover
08-07-2006, 15:07
Hi Ian,
I'm interested in 2. If the reviews are as positive as hope they'll be.
Nice one for all the hard work btw!
Ian,
I would definately like one, when do you want the money sending mate, thanks for all the effort getting it sorted out,
Brian
gregorach
08-07-2006, 21:16
Well, at that price I can hardly say no! :) I'll take one - PM me your details.
Thanks for your work on this group buy. :)
wanderinstar
08-07-2006, 22:42
Phil, I an hoping to get out this week to try it out with a couple of people. I dont have a digi camera so hopefully one of them will have. Then can put some photo's on site.
Ian.
Still very much interested and its review!
PhilParry
09-07-2006, 09:12
Also very interested but I'd like to see a review first!! :D
Waiting with eagerness to see some piccies too....
Ta.
Phil
Don Redondo
09-07-2006, 11:54
£50 delivered comes in right on the nail. Put me down for one definitely. Please PM me with details.
again echo-ing everyone elses comments, thanks for all the hard work involved... and when underquilts are available in millets you can think.... it all ahppened here first ;)
yup, i'll take one. let me know when you want the cheque
Colin McGlade
09-07-2006, 13:44
I would like 1 please
Can you please PM your name and the address you want the cheque sent.
Hello Wanderinstar, PM re x2 liners for you. Will be happy to write them up. Not sure about pictures as I still have problems with getting them onto this website in any size other than tiny! Regards from Swyn.
MagiKelly
09-07-2006, 15:39
Just to clarify. Is payment being made now or once we have the final details on time etc from Snugpac?
wanderinstar
09-07-2006, 15:53
John,
I will be getting in touch with Snugpak tomorrow, and will post there reply after I speak to them in morning.
Ian.
jamesoconnor
09-07-2006, 23:55
hi there, as i think i posted before. i will take one definetly.
regards
james :D
wanderinstar
10-07-2006, 07:40
Cheers James.
jdlenton
10-07-2006, 08:36
this all sounds cool have you got any photos of the prototype yet? let us know what snugpack say and thanks for allthe hard work
James
wanderinstar
10-07-2006, 10:14
Just been in touch with Snugpak. If order in for end July then delivery will be beginning September. They are also prepared to take order for 30 minimum. So far have 15 definates,1/2 way there. Have to have cheques cleared before can place order
James,
Dont have a digi camera. Does anyone in my vicinity have one that we could go out this week to set it up and have a photo shoot?
Ian.
beamdune
10-07-2006, 13:05
I'm still up for one, how do I pay?
weekend_warrior
10-07-2006, 13:25
I'm still up for one - pending review and/or photos (I'm old fashoined like that!) :)
Buckshot
10-07-2006, 14:46
Yes please.
Mark
sauroman
10-07-2006, 14:53
Hi, I am not sure if I have missed something but can you count me in as a definate 1 if you haven't already...and a maybe for 1 other.
Just say how much and when you want the ££'s and it will be on its way ;)
Thanks.
I'd like one please - can you pm payment details?
Ta
Graham_S
11-07-2006, 00:05
my payment will be delayed until i get out of hospital :(
sorry.
should only be a week though.
wanderinstar
11-07-2006, 06:46
Very sorry to hear that Graham. Nothing serious I hope.
Ian.
I'm still interested in one, pending review and pic's.
Nice work Wanderinstar.
Edit - Just a thought will you be at Bushmoot? Would be good to be able to see the item in question and the moot is only a few weeks away?
Moduser
wanderinstar
11-07-2006, 11:19
Moduser,
Sorry mate wont be going to Bushmoot. Have just been down park with Toots and taken some photos. Will post them as soon as I figure out how to reduce them.
Ian.
buffalobill
11-07-2006, 11:30
edit: good work for organising this but I think I'll wait and see how these perform before commiting to buy.
wanderinstar
11-07-2006, 12:13
Have put some photos on my Gallery. Not too good but it gives you an idea ,hopefully.
Ian.
Good pics Wanderinstar (who is that dashing hero? :))
It appears that the underblanket is hung seperate from the hammock, rather than attached to the hammock, is that correct?
Do you feel that the width is correct, it appears (not clear in picture) that it only comes part way up the side wall of the hammock when your weight is pushing the hammock down?
What are your feelings Wanderinstar?
Moduser
Hi,
Just to let you know, so you don't include me in the "interested" list that i'm going to remove myself from this group buy.
having to tighten my belt in the finance department due to a potential house purchase coming up.
Well done though for organising it. A+ for effort :D looks like a comfy bit of kit....
Not to worry...I'll pinch Jon Pickett's once he falls asleep. :lmao: :approve:
wanderinstar
11-07-2006, 14:10
Didn't realise he had got me in it as well.
Yes it is hung underneath hammock and not fixed directly to it. In the case of group buy,the hammock is a DOUBLE, and if you have someone else in there with you don't think you will worry about cold. Probably have other things on your mind ;)
Have more photos that I will forward to Magikelly to reduce in size for me.
Ian.
MagiKelly
11-07-2006, 15:00
Copied from Gallery to save jumping back an forward.
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/data/500/medium/DSCN1156.JPG
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/data/500/medium/DSCN1159.JPG (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1242&size=big&limit=recent)
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/data/500/medium/Copy_of_DSCN1148.JPG (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1241&size=big&limit=recent)
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/data/500/medium/DSCN1146.JPG (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1240&size=big&limit=recent)
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/data/500/medium/DSCN1144.JPG (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1239&size=big&limit=recent)
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/data/500/medium/Copy_2_of_DSCN1143.JPG (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1238&size=big&limit=recent)
MagiKelly
11-07-2006, 15:04
Looks promising. I think it would have it attached closer to the hammock on the tapes to keep the ends closer to the hammock and stop cold air getting in. But these are the sort of things you discover when you have a proper play about with it, which hopefully I will be doing soon. Even the Kick *** Quilt takes a but of adjustment to get right.
Having had a bit of a play with the prototype underblanket I am impressed. Fits both Magikellys group buy and the Hennessey hammocks just fine IMHO.
The underblanket secures to the hammock lines at both ends with a simple prussick knot so it can be positioned as required.As has been said the elastic lines on the blanket are fairly long. Shortening these lines would have the effect of pulling the blanket further up the sides of the hammock. The side lines are also adjustable in the middle to fine tune the fit to suit.This is good as it gives the opportunity to experiment and find a suitable length for many different types of hammock.
On a HH the lines can be shortened and simply attached to the clips for the asymetric tarp. (those with HHs will know what I mean). There are three loops on either side for the guying out points (see pic) , the middle of which was nigh on in the perfect place for the standard asym. Getting in and out was not a problem as the suspension cords are of elastic so it can be easily pulled to one side and will just spring back in place once inside.
Difficult to comment on the insulative qualities but Snugpak know a thing or two about that so should not be a problem.
As Magikelly says a bit of time spent adjusting and getting it right in the first instance means that it should be a no brainer when it comes to using it in anger(or at leisure!!).
Good work Wanderinstar. :You_Rock_
MagiKelly
11-07-2006, 22:05
More pictures
http://www.magikelly.co.uk/underb1.jpg
http://www.magikelly.co.uk/underb2.jpg
http://www.magikelly.co.uk/underb3.jpg
http://www.magikelly.co.uk/underb4.jpg
http://www.magikelly.co.uk/underb5.jpg
wanderinstar
12-07-2006, 14:16
Well everybody, the list is building. 22 confirmed and 6 paid for.
This is the list so far :-
Jamesocconor
Jon Pickett
Swyn x 2
Buckshot
Brian
Don Redondo
Angus Og
Hawsome 34
Beamdune
Pumba
Sauroman
Graham S
Soa UK
R-J
Colin McLade
Outdoorgirl
PJMCBear
Wills
Gregorach
Calypso
Razorstrop
As soon as 30 are paid for, the order goes in.
Ian.
Cheque on its way. Should get it tomorrow.
Thanks :notworthy
Wills
Cheque on its way. Should get it tomorrow.
Thanks :notworthy
Wills
Have I missed something ?............. Can I have an address and I will pay right away, they look good to me.................Jon
:confused: I got a pm stating the address etc etc a couple of days ago :(
Edit: or maybe i've jumped the gun??? not sure now. :o
:confused: I got a pm stating the address etc etc a couple of days ago :(
Edit: or maybe i've jumped the gun??? not sure now. :o
No worries, I'm sorted now.........
Colin McGlade
13-07-2006, 23:27
Cheque on it's way. First class
Colin
wanderinstar
14-07-2006, 11:08
Just to keep everyone updated. The list is as follows:-
Jamesocconor
Jon Pickett ----------Paid
Swyn x 2 ------------ Paid
Buckshot
Brian -----------------Paid
Don Redondo------ Paid
Angus Og----------- Paid
Hawsome 34
Beamdune
Pumba
Sauroman
Graham S
Soa UK--------------Paid
Colin McLade-------Paid
Outdoorgirl----------Paid
PJMCBear
Wills-------------------Paid
Gregorach------------Paid
Calypso---------------Paid
Razorstrop
Dingo
Magikelly
Bagheera
Please dont forget its only when you have paid that you will definatly get a blanket. If someone comes on list after you but pays before you, you move down.
Its just because the order has to be in for end of July. Hopefully there will be another buy.
Just trying to be fair all round.
Ian.
Don Redondo
14-07-2006, 11:40
C'mon guys, get moving! I need my underblanket for the middle of September! :D :D :D
wanderinstar
14-07-2006, 12:05
One last comment. Magikelly will be doing a review next weekend and then Graham S has agreed to take it down to the Moot.
I will be away for a week from tomorrow morning, so if you dont hear from me thats why.
Will check on here first thing in the morning.
Ian.
MagiKelly
14-07-2006, 12:19
Remember to add me on to the list for one.
I will be getting the underblanket on Monday or Tuesday (Monday is a holiday here) and doing a review on the weekend of the 22 / 23rd then passing the underblanket to GrahamS to review and take to the Moot.
Nice to see the support for this new product, its great to see somebody getting there idea made and support from the people that are going to use it.
If you need anything nudged along in the factory let me know ^^
Stewart
Snugpak
(Some of us do keep an eye on the www hehe)
Bhageera
14-07-2006, 13:32
Can you add me to the list please.
PM sent
Cheers
One last comment. Magikelly will be doing a review next weekend and then Graham S has agreed to take it down to the Moot.
I will be away for a week from tomorrow morning, so if you dont hear from me thats why.
Will check on here first thing in the morning.
Ian.Excellent I look forward to the review befre I get my order in. :)
MagiKelly
15-07-2006, 17:45
Got the sample today. I have had a quick play and here are my initial thoughts. Some good some not so good.
The first thing I noticed is the blanket is about a foot shorter than the Kick *** Quilt. I think it will need to be longer than it currently is. I am tall at 6 foot 3 but I suspect this will be too short for most people. Let me clarify that a bit. It will be long enough to keep most of you warm but your feet or head or maybe both will not be warmed. Ian's photos show this to an extent. The blanket is also about 6 inches narrower but this does not seem to so much of an issue but I would still be tempted to increase the width as well.
After some experimenting I have found a way of fitting it to the group buy hammocks that keeps it close to the hammock and aligned with your angled position. As you can see from the picture below, there are four elastic cords coming from the ends of the blanket. The middle two of these are tied in some way to the clips, hooks or carabiners at the ends of the hammock. The outside two are looped over the ridge line ant tied.
http://www.magikelly.co.uk/gbub1.jpg
Eleanor, my daughter, is not really big enough to show this but it allows the undeblanket to twist slightly so it follows your angled position in the hammock, rather than being in a straight line. This attachment process can be made simpler by the use of clips, cord adjusters etc to make setting up quicker but I assume most of us are capable of doing that ourselves.
The quality of the blanket is generally good but the stitching at one of the cords is starting to come undone already.
http://www.magikelly.co.uk/gbub2.jpg
I assume that this is just a glitch and that the workmanship of the finished blankets would be fine. Also on the subject of the cords. These are meant to be sewn into the top layer of the blanket so that the insulation effectively hangs from the surface under tension. The plan being that regardless of how much tension the blanket is under the insulation will not be compressed. This does not seem to be the case. The cords seem to be sewn into the insulation but to be honest it does not seem to be effecting the efficiency of the blanket.
So I will be giving the blanket a full test next weekend but for the moment I would say it is a pretty good result. I would ask for the blanket to be lengthened and widened and an eye to be kept on the stitching but the hanging method , materials and general construction all seem to be good.
More after I have actually slept out in it.
wentworth
16-07-2006, 06:01
Hi Magikelly,
I'm suprised that this underquilt is quite a bit heavier than the kickass quilt, even though it is shorter. Do you think this is due to the insulation? Do they have similar thickness of loft?
Also, does the quilt seal at each end of the hammock without an air gap?
MagiKelly
16-07-2006, 15:43
Hi Magikelly,
I'm suprised that this underquilt is quite a bit heavier than the kickass quilt, even though it is shorter. Do you think this is due to the insulation?
I did not think it was much heavier. I will check but if there is a difference it is not really noticeable.
Do they have similar thickness of loft?
Pretty much.
Also, does the quilt seal at each end of the hammock without an air gap?
It is of course not airtight but it does seal as well as others as long as you fir it correctly. you can see in this picture it is fairly close. An adult in the hammock would have made it closer.
http://www.magikelly.co.uk/gbub1.jpg
Looks good to me.
Can you put me on the list and I will arrange to send a cheque.#
Cheers
Nick
lardbloke
17-07-2006, 10:42
Pants......I hope I havent missed this???
I am just coming back from my hols in the western Isles so could the payment details please be sent to my PM and I will get payment (cheque) out by the end of the week or sooner.
Thanks for all your hard work obn this....
Is there likely to be a longer option ? Being tall the short length is a little worrying .
Cheers
Pumbaa
Graham_S
17-07-2006, 12:07
this is just the prototype remember. it may be possible to make it longer.
it'll be with me at the moot in a couple of weeks time. i'll be the one with his arm in a cast.
if anyone wants a closer look, just ask. :D
John, i bet it took longer to get your daughter out of the hammock than it did to get her in :lmao:
MagiKelly
18-07-2006, 00:29
Took some more pictures of the underbalnket today with JamesOConnor in it. Tool longer to get him out of the hammock that is for sure.
As Graham says this is a prototype so I would hope that it could be made longer, and after seeing James in it today I think the extra width would not go a miss either. If course others will be seeing and reviewing the underblanket and may have different opinions. Also I will be sleeping out in it this coming weekend so that may change my opinions in some way but it looks as if it will not be cold enough to make it a real test of the blanket.
beamdune
18-07-2006, 10:19
A synthetic quilt isn't going to be a particularly lightweight option.
The most important factor here would seem to be warmth and for that it needs to be big enough.
If it's too short the net result will be cold feet and a cold head which kind of defeats the point of getting something made to spec.
From the pictures alone it does look a little small (and considerably smaller than the potomac or the jack's r better quilts.)
I'm still up for one and my overdue cheque will be on it's way pending arrival of a new chequebook :o
weekender
21-07-2006, 16:46
Hi i have been sort of following this thread and could be interested if the longer version is available (6'4") and could someone post/pm the cost and details where to send the cheque and also am i too late????
Weekender :D
wanderinstar
22-07-2006, 14:57
John, Have read your initial report with great interest. Will contact Snugpak tomorrow re lenghening and widening. It seems like I may have jumped the gun a bit taking money before reviews done. Was just trying to get ball rolling for Autumn, Hopefully it wont be too much extra, for the aforesaid modifications doing.
If when I find out re new cost anyone wants too cancel, please let me know and I will refund money. Sorry about this.
Ian.
Don't worry about it - I'd prefer the better product with improvements based on the recommendations after the test.
MagiKelly
23-07-2006, 16:30
Just back from my overnight with the underblanket and I was toasty warm. Still pretty warm in the hammock too ;)
So the weather kind of stopped me from assessing the insulation for the Underblanket but from what I can tell it looks as if the level of insulation is higher than Patrick's one. Per m2 that is not overall (see below)
I slept the night using the sample and it was fine but as already been posted, too small for me. I had brought my Kick @ss Quilt as well and set it up in the morning as a comparison and it seemed huge.
So what alterations would I make?
1) A a foot longer possibly more
2) 6 inches wider, again passable more. If anyone has plans to make a pod with another blanket then the extra width will be important.
3) At the corners have tabs sewn into the blanket. This will allow all four bungees at the ends to be attached to the carabiner / rings of the hammock and a separate line, attached to these tabs, taken over the ridge line.
Of course these are just my personal opinions and others may have different ideas. The underblanket will be sent to Graham S tomorrow and I understand he will be taking it to the Moot for more people to have a look at.
I did not take any more pictures as I was on my own overnight and pictures of the underblanket on an empty hammock do not really help illustrate much.
weekender
26-07-2006, 17:11
Hi
Is there any update news on the underblanket?.
Also a question for magikelly in your photos it looks like you have some of the cord from the blanket going over your ridgeline, but in the other photos posted the attatchment lines are all going towards the hammock tie off point is this just an idea you tried and did it work and do you think it would wear the bug net on an HH hammock. sorry if that seems like a long winded question. :thanks:
Weekender :D
MagiKelly
26-07-2006, 23:04
Also a question for magikelly in your photos it looks like you have some of the cord from the blanket going over your ridgeline, but in the other photos posted the attatchment lines are all going towards the hammock tie off point is this just an idea you tried and did it work and do you think it would wear the bug net on an HH hammock. sorry if that seems like a long winded question. :thanks:
I tied the two end cords over the ridge line to give a better "fit" but as described in my posting above tabs on the corners could be used to good effect.
I do not think these cords would wear out the insect netting, certainly not any quicker than the ridge line will.
wanderinstar
28-07-2006, 18:22
Hi everybody,
Have heard back from MD at Snugpack. Unfortunatly Works Manager is off this week and then firm is on shutdown for two weeks, So I can't get an updated price just yet. Can't see the modifications being any problem and hopefully price increase won;t be too great. If anyone is interested in prototype at original price let me know.
Ian.
gregorach
31-07-2006, 11:14
Yeah, I'll take a prototype if one is available - my hammock is a good bit shorter than the group buy ones, so I'm not too worried about the length. TBH, I'm still planning on making my own down underblanket, but I want one to play with to help inform my plans.
You already have my payment and address. :)
Graham_S
01-08-2006, 23:34
having just used the prototype for the moot, i'm happy as it is.
i'll add my review in the morning.
Graham_S
03-08-2006, 12:00
I took the Underblanket to the Moot to try it out. Here are my thoughts....
packing the Underblanket
It compresses into a small bundle about half again the size of the group buy hammock so it does not take up too much pack space.
setting up
The Underblanket sets up quickly. the two inner shock cords at each end were clipped into the karabiners at each end of my hammock and the outer cords looped over the ridge line above my hammock I hang my kit from (although they could be clipped into the end karabiners).
The side shock cords can be adjusted to make the Underblanket hug the body more closely. Setup takes seconds.
The Underblanket in use
Upon getting into the hammock, the first thing I noticed was warmth. It's windproof and insulating. After a minute in the hammock I moved the Underblanket away from underneath me and the difference was significant.
There have been some concerns about the size of the Underblanket but I'm 6' tall and XXL ;) and found that the Underblanket came to below my heels and above my head and wrapped around my shoulders. Some increase in length/width may be necessary for some users but for most the size will be fine.
Although the Moot was not particularly cold, I found the Underblanket to be warm and comfortable. It made the whole sleeping in a hammock experience simpler with no sleeping mat to arrange or pop out from under me. On one night I tried just using my sleeping bag as a quilt with just the Underblanket as my under body insulation. it was one of the most comfortable nights sleep I've had in a hammock with no hint of being cold.
Packing up the Underblanket
Taking the Underblanket down is as simple as setting up. Just unclip and pack. Easy.
My conclusions
It's a great piece of kit and well worth the price. easy to use and live with.
I'll be loathe to give the prototype back, and will be waiting impatiently for my production one.
Nice review Graham.
As expected I didn't get a real good look at the prototype, kept wandering past your rig thinking must pop down and have a look then getting caught up with something else.
As you only had one arm to setup your rig - it must have been quite straight forward :)
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weekend_warrior
03-08-2006, 13:42
OK, having seen it at the Moot and pending the mods highlighted by Magikelly, I'll have one please. PM me quick and I'll pay up now - I'm off on hols for two weeks tonight!
Regards,
Rich.
wanderinstar
03-08-2006, 21:15
After reading Grahams review I have just sent another email to Snugpak asking about the possibility of 2 sizes of hammock.
Heres hoping the bosses go in to check emails while rest are on holiday.
Ian.
jamesoconnor
03-08-2006, 21:28
After having a go of the underblanket when Magickelly had it i'd prefer it if it was a bit longer. Mind you, I am 6'5 so not exactly average. Going to be a great piece of kit though and my cheque will be in the post the minute we get the longer size price.
Regards
James
weekender
03-08-2006, 21:38
Going on what i read when/if the longer length is available cheque will be on the way.
Weekender
Like wise with the price on the larger size . Once its up i will send a check .
Cheers
Pumbaa
PhilParry
03-08-2006, 22:03
Like wise with the price on the larger size . Once its up i will send a check .
Cheers
Pumbaa
likewise!
Let me know!
Cheers,
phil
wanderinstar
08-08-2006, 18:38
Well as promised, here's the latest. Large size is £55.34 inc vat and p&p, the standard size is still £49.39 inc vat and p&p.
Will the people who have already paid please PM me to let me know if you still want standard one or want to upgrade to large size.
Hopefully there will be no more holdups so as soon as I have 30 paid up orders I will place the order with Snugpak.
Ian.
Edit.
So far I have 16 orders.
Angus Og
08-08-2006, 19:01
PM sent.......................
Ian,
PM sent mate, thanks
Brian
Cheque to make up the difference for the extra sized one, will be posted tomorrow, cheers Ian.........
wanderinstar
08-08-2006, 19:20
Iain,
Recd.
Ian.
clcuckow
08-08-2006, 20:04
Ian do you know how much larger the large one is?
Well as promised, here's the latest. Large size is £55.34 inc vat and p&p, the standard size is still £49.39 inc vat and p&p.
Will the people who have already paid please PM me to let me know if you still want standard one or want to upgrade to large size.
Hopefully there will be no more holdups so as soon as I have 30 paid up orders I will place the order with Snugpak.
Ian.
Edit.
So far I have 16 orders.
wanderinstar
08-08-2006, 20:10
It will be as per Magikelly's review.i.e. 12" longer and 6" wider.and both will have loops at all 4 corners so you can fix shockcord if you think it needs it.
Ian.
MagiKelly
08-08-2006, 20:19
Hi Ian
I will definitely take 2 of the larger ones. Might be three. I will confirm shortly but PM coming anyway.
Ian, do you know what the weight of the larger blanket would be?
bikething
08-08-2006, 21:11
2 large ones for me please! :D
PM sent
Steve
wanderinstar
08-08-2006, 21:25
Led,
IIRC the standard one was 1.095 kg so I am expecting the large one to be around 1.2 - 1.3 kg.
Ian.
1 larger one for me please PM sent :)
outdoorgirl
08-08-2006, 21:55
PM sent - supersize me! :D
Hi Ian,
I PM'd you a week ago to add my interest - I'd like to confirm that I want the large one please.
Thanks
wanderinstar
08-08-2006, 22:14
No problem Pteron.
Ian.
hawsome34
09-08-2006, 07:57
Ian Cheque is in the post today.
Well in for the work on this.
PhilParry
09-08-2006, 08:40
Ian Cheque is in the post today.
Well in for the work on this.
Ditto. PM sent!
Thanks!
Phil
weekender
09-08-2006, 20:25
Hi wanderinstar
As per pm make mine a large one please. :D :beerchug:
Weekender
wanderinstar
09-08-2006, 20:31
Weekender,
Consider it done.
There are still 5 people who have sent me cheques who havent confirmed whether they want to keep standard or upgrade to large. Can you please PM me so I can update my records and so you dont end up with wrong blanket.
Thank you
Ian.
wildrover
09-08-2006, 21:38
I'd like one of the longer ones please. :D
pm on it's way.
beamdune
10-08-2006, 12:16
A longer one for me please, pm and another cheque (for the difference) on its way today
clcuckow
10-08-2006, 13:15
Cheque in the post Ian.
Porcupine
10-08-2006, 18:21
Ian,
Im tempted to get into this but i have a two questions.
What would the price be for a large one sent to Holland?
Do you accept Paypal?
Siep
lardbloke
10-08-2006, 18:46
Could I have the longer version please...
The cheques in the post first thing.
Hi Ian Just PM'd you and read further down the page! Cheque on it's way for extra as I would like x2 larger ones. Thanks from Swyn.
wanderinstar
10-08-2006, 20:27
Just to keep everyone up to speed. I have 20 blankets paid for at the moment and things are really speeding up. Looks as if I will be able to put order in by next week and will then get a revised delivery date.
Ian.
Angus Og
10-08-2006, 20:30
Ian,
Im tempted to get into this but i have a two questions.
What would the price be for a large one sent to Holland?
Do you accept Paypal?
Siep
About £6 to £7 to Europe. The small one wieghs 1.095kg don't know what the weight of the large one will be.
Royal Mail link (http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/content1?catId=400036&mediaId=400347) scroll down the page till you find the right weight.
WandrinStar - found the thread yesterday. Thanks for the effort in getting this venture sorted. I'm happy to place an order for a standard size underblanket.
Have PM'd you.
Thanks
Sorry for the delay , check went today .
Cheers
Pumbaa
weekender
11-08-2006, 22:12
Hi Ian cheque sent thursday.
weekender
wanderinstar
12-08-2006, 10:44
Think it about time I put a list out for who's paid. If your not on list and think you should be PM me immediatly.
Jon Pickett Large
Aliwren " "
Swyn 2 X " "
Brian " " Balance?
Don Redondo " "
Angus Og " "
Hawsome 34 " "
Beamdune " "
Grahan S " "
Soa UK " "
Colin McCade " " Balance?
Outdoorgirl " "
Phil Parry " "
PJMCBear STD
Calypso Large Balance?
Wills STD
Magikelly 2 X Large
Baghera " "
Pteron " "
Clcuckow " "
Pumbaa " "
Bikething 2 X " "
Weekender " "
Wildrover " "
Nigelp " "
Gregorach Getting the sample.
Lardbloke " "
KevB STD
As you can see 27 0rders. Will wait till next Friday to put order in. Lets see how many we get by then. I will have to receive any cheques by Weds to go on this list.
After that who knows?
Ian.
Edit.
Well b****r me. When I typed this out all the " " were underneath each other.
I'd just like to:
Publicly add my vote of thanks for organising this
Confirm Cheques's been sent for the balance of my large hub(Hammock Under Blanket)
[Out with 3 group buy hammocks, and a group buy hex fly and early group buy 3x3 Tatonka last week - sadly photos missing, including the world's most complicated set of guy ropes - as done by me and two 16 year old guys]
Hi Ian,
I had convinced myself that I didn,t need a underblanket as I have managed for so long without one, but now the deadline is near I am starting to doubt my decision.
OK I have weakened, Please can I have one large and two small, I have cheque book and stamped envelope standingby.
Cheers P@ul
wanderinstar
14-08-2006, 18:52
Cheers P@ul,
PM sent.
Ian.
Meaghaidh
16-08-2006, 07:52
Wanderinstar- pm sent.
If not too late, I would like 1 x Lg underblanket please.
Thanks again for your hard work in putting this together.
Meaghaidh (Paul).
wanderinstar
16-08-2006, 18:07
Been in touch again with Snugpak and have been told that delivery will be 2-3 weeks from when order goes in, which will be on Friday. there have been a few people showing interest today as I have said in PM's, you had better hurry.
List at present is as follows.
Jon Pickett Large
Aliwren " "
Swyn 2 X " "
Brian " "
Don Redondo " "
Angus Og " "
Hawsome 34 " "
Beamdune " "
Grahan S " "
Soa UK " "
Colin McCade " "
Outdoorgirl " "
Phil Parry " "
PJMCBear STD
Calypso Large Balance?
Wills STD
Magikelly 2 X Large
Baghera " "
Pteron " "
Clcuckow " "
Pumbaa " "
Bikething 2 X " "
Weekender " "
Wildrover " "
Nigelp " "
Gregorach Got the sample.
Lardbloke " "
KevB STD
P@ul Large + 2 STD
As you can see 29 0rders. Thats 28 large and 5 standard.
Ian.
wanderinstar
16-08-2006, 18:10
Oh nearly forgot can Steve from Penge please send me a PM.
Thanks,
Ian.
Hey, the larger one looks interesting! Though I think £55.34 is a high price for me, so I definately have some questions to consider if it's worth buying for me.
Is it possible to sleep diagonally ( so that you sleep almost flat) with this underblanket ?
Do you think it would keep you warm on the underside even in winter ? For example at -10 degress Celcius.
Is it good long lasting quality ?
These questions asked I think it looks like a great piece of kit on the pictures, brilliant that this could be designed and offered here on bcuk.
I slept in the group buy hammock and mosquito net in sicily a week ago while the others slept on the ground and i must say it was a real luxoury :) I sleep so well in hammocks! I'm glad I've followed into the hammock madness over here :p This underblanket would be a nice addition, that's sure.