Fifth Hammock Group Buy

[MagiKelly]

Fifth Hammock Group Buy :banghead:

Okay I give in. The reserve list for these has now grown to the level where another buy has become almost inevitable. The information is the same as the first post in this thread

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/community/showthread.php?t=7510 (http://www.bushcraftuk.com/community/showthread.php?t=7510)

Or this one :rolleyes:

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/community/showthread.php?t=7795

Or this :rolleyes:

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/community/showthread.php?t=8288


or a number of others, although frankly if you do not yet know about the group buy hammocks you really have not being paying attention.

The last time the price worked out at £19.30 including postage and PayPal fees. I am not aware of any increase but allow up to an extra couple of pounds in your planning in case. Before I place the order I will confirm the price.

I am not placing the order yet but will do so when we get to about 25 or 30 reserved as I did not have any the last time to put on SotP.

Let the frenzy begin.

And if you have not done so you might want to put your name down for the insect netting group buy as well.

[moduser]

John,

I'll take one. First on the list? Many thanks

Your a star.

Moduser

[beamdune]

Seeing as I've asked for two lots of insect netting - 2 hammocks please :D and a huge thanks for doing this again.

[gunnix]

Wow great news MagiKelly :)

I'd like 4 hammocks please.

Will the cost to send it to Belgium be a lot higher then the mentioned 19,3 £ ?

greetings

[moduser]

Sorry I didn't realise you had to order multiple hammocks on this group buy :lmao:

Seriously John I'll take two instead of one.

I can always use the second for hanging my kit in or in a dire emergency put the wife in it :D

Moduser

[Bardster]

Yeah - think I better take two - just in case the wife ever comes with me :)

[Ahjno]

John,

Some questions about the specs:
- What's the length of the hammock? I've read in the very first group buy thread the length could vary from 2.8 - 3.2m ... Was there any variation in sizing in the 4 groupbuys you did?

- Just to be sure: it's a single layer hammock isn't it?

For all the other guys: ;)
Is there anyone who uses a Magikelly hammock in conjunction with a Woodlore tarp / hootchi / basha / whatever? Any pointers? Good, bad - tarp needs to be a bit bigger, etc. You know, the usual stuff ;)

Cheers,

[MagiKelly]

Johan

The group buy hammocks seem to be have a consistent material length of about 2.85m. They are single layer.

As for a tarp this has been discussed a fair bit and I think the hoochi or basha is a little small. I think you need a tarp with a minimum of 3m length. A hex fly gives you 3.5m along the ridge. Recently I have tried the 3 x 3m tarps and set them on the diagonal which is them over 4m long.
The postage to Europe is an extra £0.80 per hammock. Hammocks are sent in individual packages.

List so far :rolleyes:

2 moduser
2 beamdune
4 gunnix
2 Bardster

10 so far. Less than 2 hours into the fifth group buy :banghead:

[Marts]

Go on then bung me down for one - my current one could do with replacing.
:)

[Spikey DaPikey]

One for me please :)

[tagnut69]

One for mee too :)

[missy mycelium]

Please, please, please can I have one. But is this for real???or just another hammock group buy rumour :confused: Thanks for all your hard work you will get your rewards in hammock heaven :You_Rock_

[Pablo]

Can someone point me in the direction of where to get the straps etc from and how easy/difficult they are to attach to this hammock.

cheers

Pablo

[Cyclingrelf]

To save everyone reading through all the other group buys for the information:

Rings (https://www.pointnorth.co.uk/shop_product.asp?product_id=65 9) (To replace the hooks and be a bit more secure)

Cheap tape (https://www.pointnorth.co.uk/shop_product.asp?product_id=25 5) - This tape works, but may stretch a teeny bit. For better quality tape, you need climbing tape, but it's significantly more expensive.

Ease of attachment, I'd say very easy. :)

[Prickly Pear]

As good a reason as any to quit delaying signing up and getting stuck in these here fantasitical forums. Your drawing us in from far and wide MK (well...Kent :rolleyes: ). I'll take two please if thats possible!! :D

Steve

[R-J]

yarrow harps on about his enough, so i'm gonna have to put my name down :D ! i'll take one thanks

[MagiKelly]

List so far :rolleyes:

2 moduser
2 beamdune
4 gunnix
2 Bardster
1 Marts
1 Spikey DaPikey
1 tagnut69
1 missy mycelium
2 Prickly Pear
1 R-J

17 so far

Cyclingrelf thanks for posting the links. I have to say though I do really prefer the climbing tape. It does not stretch at all and has a soft feel to it that makes tying & releasing the knots much easier but it will add almost £15 to the cost of your hammock.

[Moff8]

I'll take one please

[swyn]

Can I have two please. Thankyou.

[Bhageera]

I'll have one please.

Thanks.

[rich59]

I will have one please.

[Wettstuff]

MagiKelly
If you'd be so kind i'll take one

Mark

[Marts]

I heard a rumour that Thai Silkworms are going out on strike. Apparently their strike slogan is something like "Beware the Magic Man" ;)

[MagiKelly]

List so far :rolleyes:

2 moduser
2 beamdune
4 gunnix
2 Bardster
1 Marts
1 Spikey DaPikey
1 tagnut69
1 missy mycelium
2 Prickly Pear
1 R-J
1 Moff8
2 swyn
1 Bhageera
1 rich59
1 Wettstuff

23 so far. Looks like I will be placing the order pretty soon.

[Gibbsy]

I'll take one as well please !

[Tangiblesolid]

Can you put me down for one please.
It's my first time in a group buy so whats the score, shall I pm you my Name and address? Do you want money up-front?
How does it work?

Cheers
'Solid

:You_Rock_

[MagiKelly]

It's my first time in a group buy so whats the score, shall I pm you my Name and address? Do you want money up-front?
How does it work?

With the hammocks I order them and pay for them up front. When I actually have them in my possession I post a note saying so and giving payment details. I prefer payment by PayPal but if you do not have a PayPal account I can take a cheque.

List so far :rolleyes:

2 moduser
2 beamdune
4 gunnix
2 Bardster
1 Marts
1 Spikey DaPikey
1 tagnut69
1 missy mycelium
2 Prickly Pear
1 R-J
1 Moff8
2 swyn
1 Bhageera
1 rich59
1 Wettstuff
1 Gibbsy
1 Tangiblesolid

25 so far

[Tangiblesolid]

Thanks, now I know
cheers
'solid

[Cyclingrelf]

Could you put me down for 1 please John. My dad wants one. :D

Thanks.

[barry]

could you put me dowm for one too thanks

[Aliwren]

Could you please put me down for 1 - thanks for arranging this :)

[Colin McGlade]

Could you put me down for 1 please.
Must have something to put under the netting I put my name down for.
Thanks for all your hard work on this

[david1]

two please. where and when do you want the money :-)

David

ps what colour are they ?

[MagiKelly]

List so far :rolleyes:

2 moduser
2 beamdune
4 gunnix
2 Bardster
1 Marts
1 Spikey DaPikey
1 tagnut69
1 missy mycelium
2 Prickly Pear
1 R-J
1 Moff8
2 swyn
1 Bhageera
1 rich59
1 Wettstuff
1 Gibbsy
1 Tangiblesolid
1 Cyclingrelf
1 barry
1 Aliwren
1 Colin McGlade
2 david1

31 so far


If you do a search on group buy hammocks you will find some pictures. The colour is described and green and gold but more like green / brown.

[themac]

Can you put me down for one please.

Cheers.

[willie]

Hey, Emm dont spose u have a rough date for when you will put in the order as im interested but need to talk to someone about using there card..

if u could could u post the rough date thanks.

Cheers

[Colin McGlade]

Can you put me down for another 1 please.
That will make 2 in total

[MagiKelly]

Hey, Emm dont spose u have a rough date for when you will put in the order as im interested but need to talk to someone about using there card..

if u could could u post the rough date thanks.

Cheers

I am ordering the hammocks on Monday. So I will probably have them about the 17 / 18th April. Could be up to a week later though.

[QDanT]

Hi could you put me down for one
Thanks for your time
cheers Danny

[MagiKelly]

List so far :rolleyes:

2 moduser
2 beamdune
4 gunnix
2 Bardster
1 Marts
1 Spikey DaPikey
1 tagnut69
1 missy mycelium
2 Prickly Pear
1 R-J
1 Moff8
2 swyn
1 Bhageera
1 rich59
1 Wettstuff
1 Gibbsy
1 Tangiblesolid
1 Cyclingrelf
1 barry
1 Aliwren
2 Colin McGlade
2 david1
1 themac
1 QDanT

34 so far

[NickC]

Can you put me down for 1.

Thanks

Nick

[bow drill]

one for me if there still going /can you pm me if they are having a bit of trouble getting on here at the moment

all the best
bowdrill :You_Rock_ :lmao:

[Prickly Pear]

On second thoughts, could you reduce my request to 1 please, thanks. :rolleyes:

[MagiKelly]

2 moduser
2 beamdune
4 gunnix
2 Bardster
1 Marts
1 Spikey DaPikey
1 tagnut69
1 missy mycelium
1 Prickly Pear
1 R-J
1 Moff8
2 swyn
1 Bhageera
1 rich59
1 Wettstuff
1 Gibbsy
1 Tangiblesolid
1 Cyclingrelf
1 barry
1 Aliwren
2 Colin McGlade
2 david1
1 themac
1 QDanT
1 NickC
1 bow drill
1 Tpuddles (from SotP)

36 so far

[themac]

Make it two for me please :-)

[soa_uk]

+1 hammock for me please, John.

[MagiKelly]

Hammocks ordered today so should have them by Easter.

[Spikey DaPikey]

Many thanks MagiKelly :)

[moduser]

Excellent John.

Will you ship on their own or wait and combine mossy nets in the same post for those interested?

Many thanks

David

[MagiKelly]

Will you ship on their own or wait and combine mossy nets in the same post for those interested?

My plan is to take payment and post separately. Even when people buy more than one hammock they are still posted individually. This is as they are posted first class the value of the insurance is only enough to cover one if it gets lost.

Also trying to keep track of the 50 hammock orders and the 160 plus insect nettings will be bad enough without trying to combine them.

To make matters worse I am in the process of arranging to get dry bags at wholesale prices for a group buy on Song of the Paddle and realized that people here might want them for storing their hammocks and netting. If that comes off I hope it does not overlap too :rolleyes:

[moduser]

Fair enough John,

Happy just to recieve them.

Thanks

David

[gordy1]

If its not too late may I have one please
Gord

[MagiKelly]

2 moduser
2 beamdune
4 gunnix
2 Bardster
1 Marts
1 Spikey DaPikey
1 tagnut69
1 missy mycelium
1 Prickly Pear
1 R-J
1 Moff8
2 swyn
1 Bhageera
1 rich59
1 Wettstuff
1 Gibbsy
1 Tangiblesolid
1 Cyclingrelf
1 barry
1 Aliwren
2 Colin McGlade
2 david1
2 themac
1 QDanT
1 NickC
1 bow drill
1 Tpuddles (from SotP)
1 soa_uk
1 gordy1
4 benjamin.oneill

43 so far; 7 left

[benjamin.oneill]

Hi John,

I understand I'm a little late but if possible may I have one?

There may be a chance I find homes for up to another 4 but i'll have to hear from the relevant people, if that would be a possibility let me know and i'll chase them up!

Ben

[MagiKelly]

Hi John,

I understand I'm a little late but if possible may I have one?

There may be a chance I find homes for up to another 4 but i'll have to hear from the relevant people, if that would be a possibility let me know and i'll chase them up!

Ben

You are not late. There are 50 ordered so there are still 11 left (now 7) I have added you in the list above for 4 so that you do not miss out. Just post her when you know the correct number.

As an update the hammocks should be leaving Bali today. Delivery usually takes about a week.

[benjamin.oneill]

Many thansk John,

I will certainly have one, I'll just see if the others fancy one too... Thanks too for the advice on tape

Ben

[P@ul]

John, I can’t resist anymore, please can you put me on the list for one.

Thanks P@ul

[Andrzej]

Could I have one please.

[yelfe]

Could you put my name down for a hammock please

Thanks

[Mad Mike]

Please put me down for 1 hammock

sorry I'm late I was on Holiday. Wow this group buy thing moves fast :You_Rock_

[MagiKelly]

2 moduser
2 beamdune
4 gunnix
2 Bardster
1 Marts
1 Spikey DaPikey
1 tagnut69
1 missy mycelium
1 Prickly Pear
1 R-J
1 Moff8
2 swyn
1 Bhageera
1 rich59
1 Wettstuff
1 Gibbsy
1 Tangiblesolid
1 Cyclingrelf
1 barry
1 Aliwren
2 Colin McGlade
2 david1
2 themac
1 QDanT
1 NickC
1 bow drill
1 Tpuddles (from SotP)
1 soa_uk
1 gordy1
4 benjamin.oneill
1 P@ul
1 Andrzej
1 yelfe
1 Mad Mike
2 Prometheus

49 so far; 1 left

[Prometheus]

Two for me please !!!!! Thankyou very much indeed. :You_Rock_

[MagiKelly]

Okay 1 left now

A heads up. I am going to be running a group buy for dry bags. This really for Song of the Paddle members but I will also post it on BCUK. This will cover both Exped and Ortieb bags and will have the ones that are the ideal size for a hammock with netting and straps.

To do this group buy I had to get a wholesale account with the dry bag supplier and it turns out they also do climbing tape so I am getting a sample sent of this. If it is the right stuff I will be able to do a group by on that at a price that would give a decent saving after all.

In fact they do loads of stuff like Petzl head lamps etc I am trying hard to resist doing about 10 group buys at once :rolleyes:

[Wettstuff]

Thats great news Magikelly, no doubt you'll keep us informed about anything worthy of a group buy.

Mark

[Prickly Pear]

Yeh sounds good. With all the hard work involved, I don’t know how you can even joke about doing so many! Thanks for all your time and effort on the two I'm in on now anyway, much appreciated.

Steve

[Prometheus]

Two for me please !!!!! Thankyou very much indeed. :You_Rock_

Hi John,

Can I make my order down to just one please, I put an order in for a mate, but I spoke to him today and he's not gonna go for it.

:sad6: for the inconvenience. Still it makes an extra one for someone else to get in.

Cheers Dave


.

[Marts]

I'll take Dave's spare if its free then. So two in total please John.
:)

[MagiKelly]

2 moduser
2 beamdune
4 gunnix
2 Bardster
2 Marts
1 Spikey DaPikey
1 tagnut69
1 missy mycelium
1 Prickly Pear
1 R-J
1 Moff8
2 swyn
1 Bhageera
1 rich59
1 Wettstuff
1 Gibbsy
1 Tangiblesolid
1 Cyclingrelf
1 barry
1 Aliwren
2 Colin McGlade
2 david1
2 themac
1 QDanT
1 NickC
1 bow drill
1 Tpuddles (from SotP)
1 soa_uk
1 gordy1
4 benjamin.oneill
1 P@ul
1 Andrzej
1 yelfe
1 Mad Mike
1 Prometheus
1 Mr_Yarrow

50 None left

[Mr_Yarrow]

Hey, im on BCUK as well, look im posting arent I ;) - just not as prolific shall we say as I am on BB :D

[Marts]

Hey, im on BCUK as well, look im posting arent I ;) - just not as prolific shall we say as I am on BB :D

Master of the understatement ;)

[MagiKelly]

Hey, im on BCUK as well, look im posting arent I ;) - just not as prolific shall we say as I am on BB :D

Can't think what you are talking about :D

[Mr_Yarrow]

Master of the understatement ;)

Couldnt possibly comment :lmao:

But I love you guys just the same as the BB'ers :grouphug:




:D

[Prometheus]

Any excuse to use the group hug smily.......



anyway gotta go. I've got to :drive: over to my mates place quickly. I'll watch out for :cop: 's though and be sure to wear my seatbelt in case I :banghead: . It looks like rain so I'll pack my :umbrella: anyway thsuattt hsh ......oooooopss sorry got a bit :tongue-ti there. Ayway I'll get off my :soapbox: now and stop :rant: ing on. :tapedshut .....


. :nana: :bye:

[davef]

One for me please

[MagiKelly]

One for me please

Sorry Dave, last one was reserved yesterday. If someone does not take theirs I will let you know.

[MagiKelly]

Hammocks arrived yesterday but I could no get in to post here.
Price is £19.30 again including PayPal and postage. PayPal payment to John "at" MagiKelly.co.uk IMPORTANT State clearly your Username, What you are paying for and your Address. Make sure it is very clear as between netting and dry bags there is plenty scope for confusion. If you want to pay for hammocks and netting at the same time then you can but again be REALLY clear in the PayPal notification.

Postage to Europe is an extra £0.80

Final list is below.


2 moduser
2 beamdune
4 gunnix
2 Bardster
2 Marts
1 Spikey DaPikey
1 tagnut69
1 missy mycelium
1 Prickly Pear
1 R-J
1 Moff8
2 swyn
1 Bhageera
1 rich59
1 Wettstuff
1 Gibbsy
1 Tangiblesolid
1 Cyclingrelf
1 barry
1 Aliwren
2 Colin McGlade
2 david1
2 themac
1 QDanT
1 NickC
1 bow drill
1 Tpuddles (from SotP)
1 soa_uk
1 gordy1
2 benjamin.oneill
1 P@ul
1 Andrzej
1 yelfe
1 Mad Mike
1 Prometheus
1 Mr_Yarrow
1 davef
1 Wookey

50 so none left

[moduser]

Hi John,

PP sent.

many thanks

David

[MagiKelly]

benjamin.oneill is only taking 2 so there are now 2 left, or there was I have added DaveF onto the list so there is only really one left.

DaveF if you want to send payment I will get a hammock off to you, if you have changed your mind, no problem just let me know.

[Cyclingrelf]

PP sent - thanks John!

[Moff8]

PP sent - thanks again

[Marts]

PP sent for 2

Cheers John.

[Aliwren]

PP for 1 sent! Many thanks for your efforts, your house must be packed with hammocks, netting and dry bags at the moment!

[Mr_Yarrow]

PP sent, thanks mate your a star! :D

[themac]

PP sent, thanks for organising this :)

[yelfe]

Payment Sent Thanks

[Bhageera]

Hi John

PP sent, thank you.

Gary

[Wookey]

Hi John, new to this game, please put me down for one hammock. :confused:

[MagiKelly]

Hi John, new to this game, please put me down for one hammock. :confused:

I have added you to my printed list. Just send payment as the instructions and I'll get one off to you.

[Bardster]

Paypal ssent - many thanks John

[P@ul]

Thanks John, PP sent. P@ul

[Mad Mike]

PP sent Thanks for your efforts

[swyn]

Hello MagiKelly. Paypal sent this morning for my two hammocks, thanks from Swyn.

[Colin McGlade]

PP sent for my 2 hammocks & 1 Nettting.

Thank you again for all the hard work you have put in on the group buys.

Colin

[moduser]

Hi John,

Hammocks arrived this morning.

Many thanks for arranging the buys :You_Rock_

moduser

[Mad Mike]

I second that
Mine arrived as well Many thanks

[barry]

hi john hammock arrived this morning great bit of kit thanks

[Cyclingrelf]

Thanks, John - arrived today! :red:

[Gibbsy]

Received mine today many thanks.........

[david1]

yep my 2 arrived aswell. :-)

I looked at the number of posting and wanted to be number 100 but felt it unfair to wait .


David

[david1]

so i did this

[Prickly Pear]

Arrived today, cheers John. :)

[QDanT]

Arrived this morning,many thanks.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j274/QDanT/smilyhammock.gif
If we ever meet I'll buy you a drink. cheers Danny

[Bardster]

Yayyy got mine today. now just need somewhere to set it up - when its not raining!

[P@ul]

Mine also arrived this morning, great stuff.
Thanks John
P@ul

[Spikey DaPikey]

PP sent for one :)

Cheers :You_Rock_

[MagiKelly]

Yayyy got mine today. now just need somewhere to set it up - when its not raining!

I thought you got a tarp ;)

[themac]

Arrived this morning, thanks a lot :)

[Bhageera]

Cheers John,
Hammock arrived this morning, once again thanks for all your effort.
:You_Rock_

[davef]

PP sent today
Cheers very much

[yelfe]

Hammock arrived really quickly very cool. Thanks

[Aliwren]

Hammock was waiting on the doorstep when got back earlier this evening! Many thanks looks another great bit of kit! :You_Rock_

[missy mycelium]

:D Mine arrived this morning. Many thanks

[swyn]

Hello MagiKelly. My two hammocks arrived in the post this morning. Thanks from Swyn.

[Mr_Yarrow]

Hi MK,

Mine was delivered to my desk this morning, or at least im assuming it was as its a small plastic post bag thats squishy and I cant think of what else Ive been buying to match that description etc :D

Ta

[Andrzej]

Cheque sent for 1 hammock and 1 net.

thanks

[Spikey DaPikey]

Hammock arrived today :You_Rock_

Many thanks :)

[davef]

Arrived today
Really chuffed
Cheers Mate

[Colin McGlade]

Both hammocks arrived yesterday.
thanks again.

Colin

[gunnix]

Thanks a lot MagiKelly!

The hammocks and nets arrived this week.

[Wettstuff]

Magikelly
hammock arrived today, many thanks
Mark

[Wookey]

Sorry for delay been away,
PP sent look forward to arrival, thanks again.

[Marts]

Mine were sitting waiting for me when I got back.
Cheers MK :)

[david1]

just to say my son and I put up our hammocks this weekend to test for next weeks night fishing at our local pond. They were a great sucess my main concern is they maybe to coftable and all I will end up doing is sleeping all night :-)

so a very big Thanks form us all John :-)

[MagiKelly]

just to say my son and I put up our hammocks this weekend to test for next weeks night fishing at our local pond. They were a great sucess my main concern is they maybe to coftable and all I will end up doing is sleeping all night :-)

so a very big Thanks form us all John :-)

Satisfied users are what make it all worth while.

[Wookey]

Thanks John,
hammock arrived, very satisfied with service and quality. Do you have any left? Would like another hammock and 2x netting if possible. Where is the climbing tape thread?

[PhilParry]

Are there any left? Missed out on this thread! :o

If there are interested in 1 hammock and 1 netting...? :sad6:

let me know,

Phil

[MagiKelly]

Thanks John,
hammock arrived, very satisfied with service and quality. Do you have any left? Would like another hammock and 2x netting if possible. Where is the climbing tape thread?

You are in luck. I have just one hammock left and two nets. PayPal the payment and I will get them posted asap.

Sorry Phil but you were just pipped at the post but keep your eyes open there will probably be a sixth buy at some point. Netting wise I may have some spare but will need to wait a while to see if any of the outstanding names drop out or not.

[Wookey]

Thanks John, Thats great, can you tell me how much the netting is?

[MagiKelly]

Thanks John, Thats great, can you tell me how much the netting is?

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/community/showpost.php?p=161332&postcount=276

[Wookey]

PP sent, look forward to arrival.
Thanks John

[Wookey]

Received hammock and netting, first class service, thanks John,
Been swinging in the garden already.

[andy_scouser]

Any left at all please? Im interested in 2 if possible. Matching mozi nets too please ;)

[tagnut69]

Got my hammock and nets of my parents now, excelent quality, well worth it. Many thanks for sorting this out :You_Rock_

[MagiKelly]

Any left at all please? Im interested in 2 if possible. Matching mozi nets too please ;)

Not on this buy I am afraid but keep your eyes open for the next one. I have given up thinking that each buy will be the last one :rolleyes:

[andy_scouser]

Not on this buy I am afraid but keep your eyes open for the next one. I have given up thinking that each buy will be the last one :rolleyes:
Ok John, will do.

thanks a lot :)

[Don Redondo]

I had a realy bad back last night, probably from being scrunched up in my g/f bed the night before :rolleyes: and as usual I slung my h/h up in the front room. nothing better than a night in a hammock to tease out those muscles and disks.

Eventually came to the conclusion that the h/h was just too technical for 'casual' use, where all I want to do is hang for a while.

So John please consider me for a couple come the next group buy . Please?

[stuart f]

Hi john,i bought a cheap hammock from Lidl and just tried it out lastnight and i'm sold on the idea of becoming a tree dweller( :rolleyes: took me long enough).So if you are at some point thinking of doing another buy(by the way you deserve a medal for all your sterling work) then could you be so good as to shove my name down for one.

All the best, Stuart the ground dweller.

[Bowser]

John, when the next one kicks off, I would be interested as well.

Ta

Ross

[MagiKelly]

That makes

2 andy_scouser
2 Don Redondo
1 stuart f
1 Bowser

:rolleyes:

[Dougster]

4 please! Mate bought one out there and this is cheaper than he paid. How much are mosi nets? May go for a few of those too. If you lived closer I'd take you for a pint for this, next time I'm up north......

[MagiKelly]

Next group buy now posted here

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/community/showthread.php?t=13094

:rolleyes: