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Bear Stone
25-02-2004, 20:25
Hi fellas,
It's good to see my tip with the ferro rod getting around. The tip from Adi007 about using a hacksaw blade is great too - having tried it, I found the saw more forgiving than the blade - nice one Adi007 :biggthump
A short time ago I did some research on people who have paid the ultimate price in wilderness/survival situations. I was shocked to say the least. In one park in the US nearly 1000 people died in less than a five year period. Some of these may not have died if they had the means to make fire.
I wanted to do something. I got to thinking about a tool that could be used in conjunction with a ferro rod - sparks in one end flame out the other.
When I've thought it out and made it, it will need testing. Can I ask some of you guys to help with this?
I have no interest in marketing what I make - some one else can have the hassle of that if they want. I just want to do something to help.
So, if I make several of whatever I come up with, can I send some out to you guys for testing?
Bear Stone
I'd be more than happy to try it out Bear Stone! :-D
A short time ago I did some research on people who have paid the ultimate price in wilderness/survival situations. I was shocked to say the least. In one park in the US nearly 1000 people died in less than a five year period. Some of these may not have died if they had the means to make fire.Bear Stone
Which park would that be? I can't find one with 100 accidental deaths from all causes over any five year period.
Tom
I'd alos be more than happy to give it a try. We got open fires so I could give it some hammer every day.
Celtic Dragon
26-02-2004, 11:50
I'm more than happy to help out.
Simon
larry the spark
26-02-2004, 12:03
How about signing up to a passaround when the time comes? That way anyone who wants can have a go.
As someone who has been caught without firemaking means (had troubel with a rather bad river crossing) I'd also be interested in your gizmo and more than happy to field try it for you.
Passaround sounds good. Count me in
Buckshot
26-02-2004, 13:31
ditto :lol:
Imup for it!!
And I could involve about 27,000 scouts, i you like :-D
You could keep me away from new kit Trials :lol:
Oi stop holding me back!........ let go.... I want it I WANT IT!
I think a pass around sounds good and I don't think you'll have any shortage of people willing to test it out for you.
I'd alos be more than happy to give it a try. We got open fires so I could give it some hammer every day.
Same here, open fires keep me warm day in day out!
David
Imup for it!!
And I could involve about 27,000 scouts, i you like :-D
Lummie, how big IS your troop??!?
I was shocked to say the least. In one park in the US nearly 1000 people died in less than a five year period.
Must be some kind of mixup. I think those were lemmings. :-)
Hi fellas,
- sparks in one end flame out the other.
When I've thought it out and made it, it will need testing. Can I ask some of you guys to help with this?
I have no interest in marketing what I make - some one else can have the hassle of that if they want. I just want to do something to help.
So, if I make several of whatever I come up with, can I send some out to you guys for testing?
Bear Stone
you mean a Cigarette Lighter :roll:
ATB
Duncan
Bear Stone
26-02-2004, 21:20
[quote="FGYT"]
you mean a Cigarette Lighter :roll:
FGYT,
You can light your cigarette with it if you want but it might be easier to use an ember from your fire - wouldn't want you to singe your eyebrows! :lol:
All joking apart, a cigarette lighter probably wouldn't work in the kind of conditions that this tool will be designed for. Extremes of cold pretty much rule out lighters and matches don't like high winds and wet. This little tool however will be in it's element in such extremes. A *comprehensive* tool is my plan - whether you're in the Gobi desert or the frozen wastes of the north we need a tool that won't let us down.
Bear
bushwacker bob
26-02-2004, 23:19
I'm happy to trial it,not that your short of volunteers. any ideas formulating on how to do it?
gurushaun
27-02-2004, 11:12
I'm up for a passround too :-D
Cheers
Shaun
You can light your cigarette with it if you want but it might be easier to use an ember from your fire - wouldn't want you to singe your eyebrows! :lol:
All joking apart, a cigarette lighter probably wouldn't work in the kind of conditions that this tool will be designed for. Extremes of cold pretty much rule out lighters and matches don't like high winds and wet. This little tool however will be in it's element in such extremes. A *comprehensive* tool is my plan - whether you're in the Gobi desert or the frozen wastes of the north we need a tool that won't let us down.
Bear[/quote]
oks :-D But a lighter is a simple and cheap answer to most of the problem (remember you only mentioned US parks earlier)
So theres a Single handed operated ferro rod thinggy spring loaded
you need a compartment to hold the tinder so the sparks concentrate on it (see post on here striking the tinder with the knife
so say a sleeve the rod can slide in to with sprung blades (strikers ) inside that spark when the rod is pulled out and showwer down to the bottom of the tube where you can put your tinder ball ( have to have some holes in the side to allow air in and flames out
so version
1 a sleeve closed at one end with perferations you remove the rod and drop your tinder in the top, push the rod in and push the tinder to the bottom by the perferations then a sharp pull out rakes teh rod on the strikers showering a lot of sparks down onto the tinder this may catch and flame or you can help a smoulder by blowing back down the tube till it flames
version
2 similer to above but open ended bottom
would need to test to see which works best
ATB
Duncan
Actually thinking about it the strikers would work better if pressure was applyed by squeezing
Duncan
Bear Stone
27-02-2004, 19:26
Sounds to me like you've pretty much got it sussed :idea: - nice one!
Bear
Sounds to me like you've pretty much got it sussed :idea: - nice one!
Bear
oops sorry thats the problem being a design engineer
Seeing your other patent post i better not run a couple up on the CNC at work :bu: Only patents i have are for indestructable Toilets :sulk:
ATB
Duncan
Bear Stone
28-02-2004, 18:47
Don't worry about me or patents. If you can go from the toilet to a fire starter you must be pretty bright. Don't just spin up a couple on your CNC, spin up a couple of thousand and get them out to people who can really benifit from your expertees.
As a design engineer you will have all the right connections to make it happen. You never know, your unique tool could just make the difference for some one when it really counts - and that counts for a lot. Let me be the first to wish you all the best of luck in your endeavours.
Bear
Don't worry about me or patents. If you can go from the toilet to a fire starter you must be pretty bright. Don't just spin up a couple on your CNC, spin up a couple of thousand and get them out to people who can really benifit from your expertees.
As a design engineer you will have all the right connections to make it happen. You never know, your unique tool could just make the difference for some one when it really counts - and that counts for a lot. Let me be the first to wish you all the best of luck in your endeavours.
Bear
Hey A quick throry on a design as in my earlier post does not a working usable item make :-?
I put a quick concept together without starting to solve (or even discover) any problems or flaws this is how most designs start out before the hard work begins
Im sure you have been thinking about this for a long time and have probably covered a fair few problems plus you Have a users insight and the drive of a person with there own idea etc these can be far more important than a job description in the 1st phazes of any creation.
I wouldnt stop or abandon anything you have started or thought about and if you want any help then give me a shout if you thing its usfull
ATB
Duncan
PS Bear Stone Fire starter sounds better any way :-P
Bear Stone
01-03-2004, 09:02
Your right about the problems - I had no idea of the challenges presented when entering into something like this. I have to keep evolving my ideas.
Thanks for the offer of help - I might just take you up on it.
Bear