View Full Version : Woodlore knife on ebay.
tenbears10
17-02-2004, 15:18
Hope this is in the wright part of the forum?
Is this any of you guys?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2226214310&category=475
If not do you think it is an original first batch knife. Also what do you think they've done with the sheath?
Thought people might be interested. Oh and sorry if any of you were watching it hoping nobody else had spotted it, I know we've all done it.
Bill
Celtic Dragon
17-02-2004, 16:09
Its a belt sheath not the neck carry. just checked on Ray's site, and its £165, bit of a bargin wouldn't you say. Which is where the picture comes from funnily enough.
ATB
Simon
If he's "borrowing" the pic, does he have the goods?
I wouldnt trust it.
Cheers,
Jake
Does seem strange, think I would definitely ask for some more pics.
Very low feedback to be sending that sort of cash.
Probably find out it is someone on here now and have to eat my bush hat or something :wink:
The early version were the ones with the extra-thirsty maple handle that warped when exposed to water. Although WS seem willing to accept them back, I think I'd pass anyway ...
Remember, in an auction, you win by paying the most!!! :shock:
If he's "borrowing" the pic, does he have the goods?
He does have a pic of the proper thing, as I asked him out of curiosity (I don't want it). It's a bit blurry so doesn't look as good as the pic he's using.
I always find it quite amusing how, with the sophistication of even cheap digi cameras nowadays, some pictures on ebay look as though they've took the time and effort to smear the lens with vaseline in the hope to blag the potential bidders. Whenever I advertise something, I always put any flaws in the description and try to highlight them with photo's
Honesty is always the best policy :-)
:rolmao:
some pictures on ebay look as though they've took the time and effort to smear the lens with vaseline in the hope to blag the potential bidders.
I hope I'm wrong about this, but I've just recieved my WS maple woodlore replacement blade today. It came directly from WS and was wrapped without a sheath (everyone who bought one of the first run, already has a sheath, so no need for a replacement). It came with a pre-paid envelope containing a cardboard sheath for the return of the faulty knife. I sincerely hope this individual hasn't decided to put his on ebay - if that's the case, I think that's a disgusting abuse of good will and trust. I would urge people to take steps to satisfy themselves this is NOT the case before bidding on this knife. If it is one of the first batch, not only will it have a less-than-functional handle, but you will be acquiring it dishonestly.
I may be wrong, I hope I am and if I am I apologise unreservedly.
But it does explain the absence of a sheath.
Good point Martyn ... hadn't thought about that. If it is he is selling it before he's had his replacement as the Feb batch was the first set of replacements.
BTW, what's the new one like???? :-D Got it wet yet? I understand the new ones come with a certificate or something.
Any mention why there's no sheath? Brand new knife yet the sheath is lost ... hmmmm
If he's "borrowing" the pic, does he have the goods?
He does have a pic of the proper thing, as I asked him out of curiosity (I don't want it). It's a bit blurry so doesn't look as good as the pic he's using.
I didn't ask. I did ask if it was in good nick though. He didn't say anything in his reply, just sent the picture. Sounds a bit dodgy!
Whether it's dodgy or not, it has to be one of the first issue knives. The original price is £165. Subtract £40 for the sheath, that leavs £125. The current bid is £112. For a knife with a potentially sub-standard handle, it's hardly a bargain.
the highest bid has dropped on this knife. i sent a question to the seller but got no response
Well the bidding has ended. It finished at £77. I asked the seller what happened to the sheath and I got a response about an hour before it ended saying he sold it to his mate who had lost his!
So what do you reckon, £77 for a (potentially dodgy) WS woodlore knife. Do you think it's worth it, considering that you could fit your own handle slabs?
If he paid £165 for it and it's unused, why would he sell it for £77? Unless of course he's had, or is expecting a replacement. Why would he sell his sheath, leaving his own knife without one? Why didn't his mate just buy a new sheath from woodlore? Sounds fishy to me. There is nothing wrong with the blade on these, but if somone asked me to rehandle it, I'd flatly refuse. As they should all be returned to WS and so, there should be no "dodgy handled" versions in circulation.
Martyn, are WS picking up the tab for insured post back, or does it have the potential to "get lost in the post"?
Seems dodgy to me, especially considering WS wouldn't have to honor any warranty on the knife ...
Someone's going to have a real surprise when it get's wet!
Martyn, are WS picking up the tab for insured post back, or does it have the potential to "get lost in the post"?
Seems dodgy to me, especially considering WS wouldn't have to honor any warranty on the knife ...
Someone's going to have a real surprise when it get's wet!
Yup, postage paid by WS.
You know *all* the first issue were recalled and replaced, unless this guy has refused his replacement and decided he want to keep the original, then this knife *must* be one of those that has been recalled and replaced by WS. I was very high on the list of the first issue, I've been told by WS that they are replaced according to the original order list. So the batch that went out to me and a few others, was the first lot of replacements. This knife was on ebay before any of the replkacements had been issued. Ergo, it's one of those that has been recalled - no question.
The question I'd be asking the guy is "hasn't WS recalled all the first issue of these knives?"
Sorry, I should have phrased the question better.
Do you think £77 is a good price for just the blade of the knife?
I'm pretty certain it's one of the first batch.
Someone's going to have a real surprise when it get's wet!
Not too big of one. I've sent an e-mail to inform him/her of the possible problems with this knife. I've also directed them to this and one of the other threads.
One of the previous bidders has shown her face on her after I e-mailed her, so at least some good has come from it!
dave watson
23-02-2004, 13:25
Hi all
Slightly embarrassed of Cheam here. I bid on this knife with mild irritation to see a 'borrowed' image from a web site, and didn't really consider why there was no sheath. Normally I deal in antique knives and am much more careful.
Thanks to Stewart for his email. You live and learn - always listen to that nagging thought!
Sorry, I should have phrased the question better.
Do you think £77 is a good price for just the blade of the knife?
I'm pretty certain it's one of the first batch.
OK, I'll play devils advocate. To end up with a nice knife, you'd either have to be skilled enough to replace it yourself, or get a pro (or at least a skilled amature) to do it. If you wanted a nice stabalised wood, or a piece of micarta, that would not come cheap by itself. Then there is labour costs, removal of the original handle without damaging the knife, stabalising the new wood, carving and shaping it and re-attaching it. The loveless bolts used to attach it are not easy to find and would probably need to be imported. If the objective was to get a knife with a quality, serviceable handle, and you outsourced it to someone experienced and skilled doing such, the job would probably cost you £50 all in. Add £50 to £77, then add £40 for a new sheath and the total would be £167 - for a knife you cant sell with ease.
Lastly, where would you get it done in the UK - BritishBlades would be the obvious place to look for someone, but I can promise you, requests for such a job would be deleted instantly and the requester would get banned.
Good deal? Only if you are an experienced knifemaker yourself, if you have the materials and equipment in your workshop to do it yourself and the skill to make a quality job of it, then it just boils down to your time, you may save £20 or £30 - if you have to out-source the work, assuming you can find someone willing to do it, then no, break even at best.
You mean just to rescale it? Dunno, since an extra £15 would have got a whole knife with micarta handles and a sheath. I'd say no, but that's just me.
Sorry, I should have phrased the question better.
Do you think £77 is a good price for just the blade of the knife?
I'm pretty certain it's one of the first batch.
Absolutely Martyn ... That one is going to be hard to sell after being rescaled!
I have to say that in this case I think it's the seller who's come out on top ... unless they really did sell the sheath and then the knife at a loss because they are like that ... :shock:
Dunno ... but I wouldn't touch it ...
So that's a no then Martyn.
:-)
I think the worst part is that it's morally wrong, but just curious what people thought of the worth of it.
bothyman
23-02-2004, 14:00
Lastly, where would you get it done in the UK - BritishBlades would be the obvious place to look for someone, but I can promise you, requests for such a job would be deleted instantly and the requester would get banned.
Sorry about this and I presume I will get flamed for this.
But why would the person who has bought this knife be banned from BritishBlades?? he or she has bought the knife fair and square in an Auction at what he or she considers a fair price, but you are now saying this person will be alienated if they ask for any advice .
Why is this ?? what is the truth behind this knife does anyone know ??
maybe the sale was all above board and the seller is free to sell it, if he/she is not, surely the Company will be asking for payment of the knife.
So what is the problem ??
Sorry about this and I presume I will get flamed for this.
But why would the person who has bought this knife be banned from BritishBlades?? he or she has bought the knife fair and square in an Auction at what he or she considers a fair price, but you are now saying this person will be alienated if they ask for any advice .
Why is this ?? what is the truth behind this knife does anyone know ??
maybe the sale was all above board and the seller is free to sell it, if he/she is not, surely the Company will be asking for payment of the knife.
So what is the problem ??
It's a fair question.
Firstly, it IS one of the recalled blades, it has to be as the knife went on sale before any of the pukka replacements had been issued. Therefore it should have been returned, because the original buyer will have had a replacement sent to them free of charge.
If the ebay buyer bought the knife in good faith, not knowing it was one of the recalled blades, then why would they be asking for a re-handling service?
If they bought it knowing, or suspecting it was one of the recalled blades and want a new handle for it, then they are party to abusing the trust WS have placed in their customers - even defrauding them, they are just as guilty as the seller. ALL the first batch have been recalled, and ALL of them have or will be replaced free of charge. NONE of them should be in circulation legitimately.
As the owner of BB, I feel I have a responsibility not to facilitate the re-circulation of fraudulently obtained & faulty knives. If someone does feel they have a legitimate case, ie, they are the original owner, have decided to keep the original and returned the replacement (though why anyone would do that is beyond me), then the thing to do would be to contact me or one of the BB staff first, to avoid getting deleted/banned. If we know about it, and it is legitimate, then fine. Otherwise..... sionara! :wink:
Unfortunately, :oops: I also bid on this knife but retracted when it dawned on me that this was probably one of the first batch. I asked the seller if this was the case and he said 'not to my knowledge' - the reason he was selling was that he already had one of the woodlore knives. Alarm bells !!! He would surely know if it was a first batch knife as they have all been recalled! I got the same answer about the sheath - he sold it to a friend. This is obviously the problem with e-bay, you can ask all the questions but you don't necessarily get all the answers. The quality of the photo's he sent were also very poor.
That'll teach me not to be so impetuous!
bothyman
23-02-2004, 15:20
Thanks for the reply , Martyn.
It does sound rather strange, there is nothing worse than abusing someone's trust.
Hopefully the buyer knows what he has bought and the full story behind it, and hopefully he will not find out the knife has a problem the hard way.
And the Seller was free to sell it, but as you say it does seem rather an odd thing to do,
Sorry but your first post did sound rather hard on the poor maybe unsuspecting buyer,
Sorry but your first post did sound rather hard on the poor maybe unsuspecting buyer,
If the buyer is genuinely innocent and they get landed with a handle that isn't sealed properly, probably the first thing I'd do is contact Wilkinson Sword - they may be able to help. But if all else fails and the buyer honestly purchased it in good faith and feel they've been lumbered, then by contacting me or one of the BB staff, we could probably put them in touch with someone who could re-handle the blade. But the end cost is likely to be similar to purchasing a new knife. We're certainly not going to come down on an innocent buyer who has been duped by a less-than scrupulous ebay seller. But caveat emptor, if one of these is going cheap, without a sheath, ask a LOT of questions, you could be buying a headache.
I'm not sure how many of the first batch were sold, maybe only a few dozen, maybe less than that. The issue may be a small one. Similarly, I'm not sure what WS policy is, on knives that dont get returned. The individual may well get invoiced.
I think it's likely to be a small issue and in a few months will probably be a none-issue. :wink:
If they do invoice the seller (if they are uncrupulous) , I would love to know how much for.
Hopefully just enough to make them a loss after their fees :lol:
If it were me, and they didn't return the original, I'd bill em the total cost of a new knife. That's probably why I'm not in business tho. :wink: :lol: :-D
yup - I would bill them the full monty too :-D
Customers would soon kick up if I took the Michael, so I would rear up if they did. :lol:
Problem though is that if WS have accepted that they can be returned uninsured (ie, they've supplied a postage paid jiffy that's not insured) then I think it would be hard for them to bill the sender as they've determined the method they want used ...
However, if they supplied a pre-paid RMSD jiffy, it's a different matter!
If it were me, and they didn't return the original, I'd bill em the total cost of a new knife. That's probably why I'm not in business tho. :wink: :lol: :-D