View Full Version : moccasins
does anyone know where you can get a really good pair of moccasins??
I would like to make a pair, but i think i'll buy my first pair
I reckon they would make nice camp shoes to get out of wet boots in the evenings (and pack down very small) plus i'm sure they would be good for stalking too
these guys make wonderful moccasins....... but check out the price :shock:
http://www.catskill-moc.com/frameset.html
hows this mate...bit cheaper but probably not very authentic!
http://www.sheplers.com/cat.cfm?VendorId=19&GroupCode=01&page=Vendor&TID=10
um..... no not really what i was thinking of
take a look at the ones on the catskill site
thought that would be the case...have you tried blagging any???? :roll:
Nothing like the Catskill ones, but:
http://www.sheepshearing.co.uk/store/clothing.html
I usually change into a set of Reefs in the evenings.
I will try blagging some as soon as i can find a company which makes them
bothyman
12-02-2004, 21:25
I presume you are after the high leg ones??
But you could try this one
>> http://www.moccasin.co.uk/
Stu I made my own Apache high leg Moc's ages ago - have the pattern some where. They are easy to make. When I get home I'll dig it out for you.
Thanks Gary that'd be great
tenbears10
13-02-2004, 19:51
Nothing like the Catskill ones, but:
http://www.sheepshearing.co.uk/store/clothing.html
Did anyone notice that this place seem to be selling swanndri ranger shirts for £35 (£60 from ray mears and most other places) I think they might be only doing that one colour but bit of a bargin.
Sorry that's nothing to do with mocs!
Bill
Roving Rich
13-02-2004, 23:17
Yeh there was alink there a few weeks back, but they nolonger sell um, cos swandri put there prices up?
Cheers
Rich
ChrisKavanaugh
14-02-2004, 01:00
http://www.smoke-fire.com is a Ohio USA reenactor supplier. They have kits and finished mocs of the lowcut style. Excellent quality, prices and service.
Exploriment
01-04-2004, 05:55
Expensive, but very highly regarded.
http://www.russellmoccasin.com/
This thread has been idle for the best part of a year now.. i dont see the point in staring another so i shal ask my question here.. does anyone have/know where i can get hold of some moccasin patterns? there seem to be a lot of variations on a theme when it comes to mocs!
if anyone has made some would they give some advice/ take some photos of what they have made...
any info greatfuly received! :wink:
Carcajou Garou
04-11-2004, 05:27
I can get some mocassin patterns if you give me the shoe size and style. I have the pattern on hand for size 13 Apache high tops, one word of caution mocs are slippery unless you put on a crepe sole. PM me :-P
Just a thought
I should have mentioned that Gary lent me a plan and i finnished a very nice pair of high leg moccocins a few mounths ago.
they make stalking a whole new experiance
many thanks for the offer though
RovingArcher
04-11-2004, 12:53
Yep, they are excellent for stealthy movement. Even with the crepe soul.
wheres Gary then??? :wink:
www.braintan.com sell mocassin patterns and there are instructions for seminole single seam mocs on www.nativetech.org
Swampy Matt
04-11-2004, 22:10
Okay - I have and do make moccasins and i'm looking into the possibility of making them commercially, but that is away in the future. If i do start making them commercially, i'll only make them if a can make them MUCH cheaper than places like catskill.
HOWEVER - i can give you all the info on what I call my Quickie Mocs. These are not made from scratch, but are a modified pair slippers.
First, with fairly thin socks on, go to your local Brantano/United Footwear/Bacons/etc and head over to their slippers. Find their 'Moccasin' slippers - the ones with the puckered seam around the toes, the fleece lining and the plastic sole. try a few pairs on and buy the ones that are a tight (not climbing shoe style tight, just tighter than normal footwear - they WILL stretch!). They should set you back aroung £10-£15.
Now go to your local outdoor shop and buy 1 large tube of McNett Seamseal and 2 large tubes of McNett Freesole. And a tube of Zamberlan Hydrobloc or Nikwax tinned wax.
When you get all of this home, carefully unpick the soles from the moccasins and discard - they will only really grip on carpet anyway. Next, using a small brush, spread an even coat Of Seamseal across all of the external seams. let this set. This has made all of the seams waterproof and stronger.
Once this has set, turn the Moccasins sole-up and start with the Freesole. Spread this evenly, in thin coats, allowing each coat to semi-set in between over the whole of the sole area. this will build up a soft sole that will grip on most things (except mud unfortunately!). The sole can also be repaired with more freesole.
Once all of this has set, work several coats of Nikwax or hydrobloc into the moccasins.
Final result - Highly water-resistant, breathable, lightweight and extremely comfortable footwear
I've made a couple of pairs like this and used them in several UK environments (they get a scotland testing in a weeks time :o): ) and they've not let me down.
Buckshot
05-11-2004, 10:00
Pearce Tandy sell soft soled moccs in kit form.
The normal slipper stlye is about £10 and the ankle high stlye with tassles around the top is about £20.
That sounds like it might be a good starting place for these moccs Swampy Mat
Cheers :super:
Mark
clcuckow
11-11-2004, 19:35
Stu I made my own Apache high leg Moc's ages ago - have the pattern some where. They are easy to make. When I get home I'll dig it out for you.From memory (its out on loan, must get back just seen the thread about one going for £46.50 in ebay :yikes:) I think there is a design in 'Raymond' ;) Mears The Survival Handbook and maybe Rays outdoor survival (will check this one when I get home.
I know that I have some links to several moc makers in the states, but just can't find them at the moment, but you can try to look here
http://www.nativetech.org/clothing/moccasin/moctext.html
http://www.nativetech.org/clothing/moccasin/mocinstr.html
Thanks Gerd
(by the way when you going to get your site translated :red: :-P )
well, .... :embarasse .... I have kind of started.... :roll:
:o): All right then, I'll try to get me ar** into gear :roll:
I should have mentioned that Gary lent me a plan and i finnished a very nice pair of high leg moccocins a few mounths ago.
they make stalking a whole new experiance
many thanks for the offer though
Any chance of a piccie, somthing similar is heading quickley for the top of my winter project list once I find a pattern.
Cheers
David
Buckshot
24-01-2005, 13:49
An old thread I know, but I didn't see the point of opening another on the same subject.
As some of you may know I've just made myself a pair of high leg moccs.
Thought I'd post a couple of pictures here.
The material is about 5oz cow hide from Pearce Tandy (£2 per square foot) and worked really well. The pattern is really easy to follow and make. Stitching is using 1/8th inch latigo lace and 1/4 inch latigo lace for the boot laces up the front.
I'm waiting for my birthday in Feb for some waterproof socks to wear inside so I don't need to worry about that. I deliberately made them tight so as the leather stretches it will conform to my feet.
The soles are covered with Freesole to protect the leather and there's a gel filled insole to coushion my feet.
I need some longer laces so if anyone knows where I can get 1/4 inch latigo lace on a roll or in 7-8 feet lengths (these are 6 foot and just too small) let me know.
Cheers
Mark
Mark.. They look really great mate! good job! :biggthump
is it a difficult thing to do...? what tools did you need?
Buckshot great boots mate.
Couple of points I found from wearing them, waterproof socks are a bad thing as you will be tempted to wear them when wet and this will damage the leather very quickly - far better to have two pairs of Moc's.
Also innersoles, other than a second layer of leather, are also not to clever as you will lose the feel of the ground through your boots and as such be less in tune with where you place your feet which will likely result in damage and with gel insoles you'll likely be tempted to walk on man made surfaces which will definately shorten the life of your mocs.
They look great!
I don't *think* I've got any latigo around at the moment, but I'll have a look & see what I can do. I've got roo, but that may be overkill...
Ranger Bob
24-01-2005, 15:39
They look great!!!! :biggthump
Where did you get the pattern from?
Buckshot
24-01-2005, 17:29
Couple of points I found from wearing them, waterproof socks are a bad thing as you will be tempted to wear them when wet and this will damage the leather very quickly - far better to have two pairs of Moc's.
When I intend to wear these will be mainly early morning, there will be a lot of dew around even in high summer at 5am. I'll keep feeding them leather conditioner and watch out for the warning signs but I don't think I'm going to be able to not wear them in the wet.
Also innersoles, other than a second layer of leather, are also not to clever as you will lose the feel of the ground through your boots and as such be less in tune with where you place your feet which will likely result in damage and with gel insoles you'll likely be tempted to walk on man made surfaces which will definately shorten the life of your mocs.
Agreed, but I've not worn anything lighter than walking boots out before so I think I need to have a little breaking in of my feet before I can take the insoles out. I'll have to walk on man made surfaces anyway which is why I coated the bottom with Freesole. Again I'll watch and repair as often as needed.
Thanks for the advice though - good points. :biggthump
Where did you get the pattern from?
Pearce Tandy sell them for about £8.50 I think. I got mine from a forum member in the classifieds, sorry can't remember who. I'm sure they'll shout if they want.
Thanks for all the kind words everyone. :You_Rock_
Cheers
Mark
Very nice mate! Very nice!
If you have to walk on pavement/road take a tip from Tom Elpel's book "Participating in nature" and wear a pair of sandles over your mocs until you get to natural ground then slip them off and away you go.
RovingArcher
24-01-2005, 21:40
:super: Very nice job on your new mocs. They look great!
I agree with Gary that the insoles need to go. Not only will they stop you from feeling the Earth beneath your feet, but could cause excess moisture to be trapped in the leather under your feet, causing them to wear much faster. Also, your feet may be tender for a short time, but you will be amazed at how quickly they toughen up to the task at hand.
I was taught that the traditional method of getting proper fit and feel to your foot means soaking the mocs in water and then wearing them until they dry. It will soften up the leather some and help mold it to your feet, making your new mocs feel like a second skin, instead of a piece of clothing.
Editied: I meant to add that wearing the mocs on asphalt or concrete while wet is the quickest way I know to wear them out.
I think you will find that wearing the mocs will slow your citified step to one that more fits in with the rhythm of Nature and before you know it, you'll be moving like an ancestor, aware of everything happening around you and you'll even sway with a gentle breeze and become Nature, instead of a visitor. :wink:
Buckshot
25-01-2005, 10:17
Thanks one and all :You_Rock_
I'll let you know how it goes
Any idea where I can get eyelets for a No. 8 sized punch hole. I want to ring the lacing up holes to improve the strength a bit.
Cheers
Mark
tenbears10
25-01-2005, 11:07
Well done Mark they look great.
Le prevo (http://www.leprevo.co.uk/thonging.html) is a good place for lace or try david morgan (http://www.davidmorgan.com/braidingsupplies.html?ticket=2 60323-6600982&sequence=13111) in the US for roo lace, the hand cut stuff is great quality. You will have to watch out for weak spots in the le prevo machine cut lace especially if you want 7 foot lengths.
Let us know how they wear over the months.
:biggthump
falling rain
25-01-2005, 14:29
I'll add to the praise Buckshot. I've seen your Moccs in the flesh and they're excellent. Well done. Great job. :super:
Buckshot
25-01-2005, 15:15
Thanks TB10, I see Le Prevo are doing cow sides for only £1 sq ft !
Cheers
Mark
Hi Buckshot,
Don't take this the wrong way, but try the two part eyelets that haberdashers sell for corsets. No rough edges rubbing anywhere and they are intended to take good strong laces and fasten holding a *lot* of stress. I use them all the time in the leather pair of bodies that we wear for period costumes. Including the punch and press a packet of 18 complete eyelets cost about £2.99. Bound to be cheaper in USA.
Toddy.
have a look at this site, www.arrowmoc.com the mocs look interesting.
Buckshot
26-01-2005, 10:11
Hi Buckshot,
Don't take this the wrong way, but try the two part eyelets that haberdashers sell for corsets. No rough edges rubbing anywhere and they are intended to take good strong laces and fasten holding a *lot* of stress. I use them all the time in the leather pair of bodies that we wear for period costumes. Including the punch and press a packet of 18 complete eyelets cost about £2.99. Bound to be cheaper in USA.
Toddy.
Toddy, you couldn't give details of where you get your stuff from? That sounds like a good idea, and it wont break the bank either...
Stevej
The moccs look good I've a pattern to make a pair similar to the trail moccs which I'll probably use as a 'round the camp' pair.
I also have a book on native footwear that shows how to make most of those styles... I'll have to look further..
Cheers
Mark
Does anyone have any experience of Yatahai (http://www.yatahai.com) and their moccs or has anyone dealt with Fur And Hide (http://www.furandhide.com/showcat.asp?id=35)
Buckshot
17-06-2005, 15:36
Not delt with either I'm afraid Leon
Looking at the first link I think my pair are the Kolti style?
Are you thinking about buying or making?
Cheers
Mark
Both, I have a pattern for Keltoi moccs coming from fur and hide and I spoke with Sparrowhawk from yatahai via e-mail.
Yatahai make and sell kits as well as hand make for the individual (8-16 weeks for a handmade set) and they ask for a number of measurements and requirements.
They seem very good and I have looked about to see if they have had any bad press and can't find any. Just wondered if anyone had heard anything, after I had the bad experience with Braintan I wanted to make sure :)
Toddy, you couldn't give details of where you get your stuff from? That sounds like a good idea, and it wont break the bank either...
Mark
I'm sorry Buckshot, I've only just come across this request. :o
These eyelets are sold by John Lewis (expensive) or small fabric shops (much cheaper) I've got a stash just now in a very muted bronze colour, if you send me a pm with your address I'll pop some in the post and you can have a try out before you go looking for them. They come in gold, silver, copper and bronze. Very occasionally I find black ones too. I'm sure they're something that place like Leprovo must have available too.
Cheers,
Toddy
Toddy these are the only things that I have found on LePrevo (http://www.leprevo.co.uk/photos/1454.html) and they only have them in stainless, any idea who make the ones that you are talking about :)
Toddy these are the only things that I have found on LePrevo (http://www.leprevo.co.uk/photos/1454.html) and they only have them in stainless, any idea who make the ones that you are talking about :)
Hmmm, not off hand. I buy them in bulk from a fabric merchant who gets them from some guy in the Midlands. I'll ask and let you know.
http://www.sewing.co.uk/popfaste.htm#Rus
this company sells them but in bulk and not cheaply by the time I add on p&p. The photos show the sort of thing I'm talking about though.
Cheers,
Toddy
Just got myself some moccasins from these people, http://www.taosmocs.com/ they are very comfortable and well made, SWMBO isn't too keen on me wearing them when I'm out with her but never mind.
Brian
Toddy these are the only things that I have found on LePrevo (http://www.leprevo.co.uk/photos/1454.html) and they only have them in stainless, any idea who make the ones that you are talking about :)
SWMBO reckons that you may strike lucky on the haberdashery stall which seems to appear on all the markets (round here at least). If they don't they may well be able to get you some.
Cheers
David
Thanks Guys and Gal, I have a shop that does haberdashery in town so I will pop in and see what they have to offer :)