what car you driving?

[Retired Member southey]

A 1900 Lohner? But that had electric hub. Spyker made the first mechanical 4x4 in 1902

Or do you mean "off roader" - that would be the Willis Overland or American Bantam - the 2 cars entered for the original military trial and later by the Ford Pygmy

The Willis went into production as the MA / MB - that is what you are thinking via the CJ. But its a different vehicle by a long chalk to a Wrangler. S1 & early S2 Landies are closer to the MB than a Wrangler is.

And interesting enough Ford where the first to use the GP tag. The Pygmy went into production as the Ford GPW -- G for Gov and P their standard identifier for that wheelbase.

And then there is the Mitsubishi PX33 (prototype only 1933), Volkswagen Kubelwagen and GAZ-64 (early 1941) and GAZ-61 (1938)

 

[EdS]

Sorry couldn't resist. Still not fully got the Green oval out of the sytem.

Now drive --- Yaris. Makes a pleasant change from 4x4s.Cheap, relable and I can here the radio - even with winter tyres on.

Before that there where 2x Discovey
1 x LR 90 proper 90 not Defender mind you

Plus 2 works Defender 90 and a Ford Ranger in a former life.

 

[Johnnyboy1971]

Not to bad considering the engine size, mud tyres and having the same aerodynamics of a brick, but as with all cars it depends on how much fun your having as to how quickly the guage goes down on road, off road it ticks along with very little revs producing a lot of push

Is it the 4.0 one. Thinking more about a fun motor for myself.

 

[Retired Member southey]

Hell yeah, its the 4,0L the straight 6 is a great engine, lots of power to be had but very controllable, I have only changed the rear bumper for one that sits closer to the body and put some Bridgestone dueller muds on it, never had any problems in the snow and ice around the highlands, or with motorway or town driving, it isnt a family car though, four people max with a tiny boot, if just two though theres loads of room, the back seats just unclip and lift out, mines a 2003 model tj, its very comfy for long trips and driving tracks, Mine failed its mot due to me not getting around it beforehand, the parts and labour are expensive if you leave it to a garage to sort, I order mine from Quadratec or 4Wd in the states brit garage wanted £600 for the parts alone, I paid £120 for all the parts and shipping from the US, very easy to work on and plenty of online how toos if your unsure, StusOffroad is a great site for tj owners,

 

[nuggets]

nuff said !!

might have to trade it soon tho if work don,t pick up !!

 

[havocsdad]

Hi there
Always liked the look of the Defender, but there are virtually zero dealers in France, and second hand ones go for a fortune. I see cheaper ones in the UK as there are loads of specialists, but a RHD is no good to me, and LHD's are harder to find.

So I settled for a LWB Terrano which has been pretty good so far, pull the horse box, has gone everywhere I've asked it to so far.... I'm surprised how good it's been off road.


try having a look here
http://www.neneoverland.co.uk/4x4lefthanddrive/4x4lefthanddrive.php

 

[vizsla]

Heres my two toys and i love them both

Disco 1 auto which i brought as standard and have been busy striping and modding still alot to do though.
And my golf gt tdi 170bhp which is awsome great on fuel and very quick
sent from my secret retreat

 

[santaman2000]

Hell yeah, its the 4,0L the straight 6 is a great engine, lots of power to be had but very controllable,...

That's interesting. The 6 cylinders Jeep offer over here are all V6s. Or at least they were when I had my last Jeep and I believe that's still the case. In any case they are definitely great engines and I've never had a complaint about any of my 6 cylinder engines (so long as they weren't mated to too heavy a vehicle for them)

 

[santaman2000]

...the parts and labour are expensive if you leave it to a garage to sort, I order mine from Quadratec or 4Wd in the states brit garage wanted £600 for the parts alone, I paid £120 for all the parts and shipping from the US, very easy to work on and plenty of online how toos if your unsure...

You mean like this one? www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD78rTF0Rjo LOL. I think this has been on here before on another thread.

 

[cbr6fs]

That's interesting. The 6 cylinders Jeep offer over here are all V6s. Or at least they were when I had my last Jeep and I believe that's still the case. In any case they are definitely great engines and I've never had a complaint about any of my 6 cylinder engines (so long as they weren't mated to too heavy a vehicle for them)

For the Wrangler the V6 was only available from 2007, previous to that if you had a 6 cylinder Wrangler it was unfortunately the in-line 6.

I say unfortunately as it's pretty much the worst motor i've come across in the 2nd worse platform (Wrangler) i've ever driven.
Terrible terrible cars.

 

[Adze]

the 2nd worse platform (Wrangler) i've ever driven.
Terrible terrible cars.

What's the worst?

 

[ex-member Raikey]

Work = Mercedes E220
Mrs = Mitsi L200
Weekends = Honda VTR1000

 

[cbr6fs]

What's the worst?

Can't remember the name now, but it was smaller copy of the Wrangler i think it was made a Korean company.
That thing was an absolute death trap, it bounced and wallowed all over the road, hit a bump mid corner and you'd be lucky if you reached your destination before the thing stopped pogoing.

The Wrangler i sold within the first week it was THAT bad, the korean one i actually got out and walked the rest of the way home

There are a few exceptions and if your American i can understand the loyalty of buying an American brand, plus on some US roads they do have odd moments where they just click and you go ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh that's why.

But buying a US car in Europe is daft beyond all reason.
There are better off-roaders, that are a LOT cheaper to run, drive better, don't have an explosion in a plastics factory has an interior AND drive better both off and on road.

I've spoken with a fixed/serviced a few Jeep owners cars over the years and it's very odd how similar they all are, and none the type you'd want to share a pint with.


But then what do i know i have a MX5 and i'm not a hairdresser so......

 

[gabrielsdad]

nuff said !!

might have to trade it soon tho if work don,t pick up !!

let me know if you do. I might be ingerested.

 

[santaman2000]

For the Wrangler the V6 was only available from 2007, previous to that if you had a 6 cylinder Wrangler it was unfortunately the in-line 6...

My Jeep (V6)was a 1995 (definitely pre 2007) Lasted me 11 years and almost 200,000 miles before my daughter totaled it in a crash; texting instead of watching the road and she rear ended a full sized Ford in front of her when it stopped for a red light and she didn't.

 

[santaman2000]

...here are better off-roaders, that are a LOT cheaper to run, drive better, don't have an explosion in a plastics factory has an interior AND drive better both off and on road...

Actually the way they drive is what we love about them. An off road vehicle is supposed to drive like an off road vehicle; after all, it's all about the adventure. No true off roader wants a CAR ride.

 

[bilmo-p5]

Hi there
Always liked the look of the Defender, but there are virtually zero dealers in France, and second hand ones go for a fortune. I see cheaper ones in the UK as there are loads of specialists, but a RHD is no good to me, and LHD's are harder to find.

So I settled for a LWB Terrano which has been pretty good so far, pull the horse box, has gone everywhere I've asked it to so far.... I'm surprised how good it's been off road.

Cheers
Gareth

Look here.

 

[treefrog]

07 Subaru Outback. Great for the family, camping and diving gear, wish I could have afforded the Diesel version but they were too new at the time. God it's expensive to run... Will
Keep it till next may and trade it in.... Just not sure what will take my fancy then

I have the diesel version on a 09 plate (does 50mpg average). Fits dogs, camp gear and canoe and will go as far off road as i will ever need too, and is great in the snow.

 

[cbr6fs]

My Jeep (V6)was a 1995 (definitely pre 2007) Lasted me 11 years and almost 200,000 miles before my daughter totaled it in a crash; texting instead of watching the road and she rear ended a full sized Ford in front of her when it stopped for a red light and she didn't.

Was that a Wrangler though?

As i say the Wrangler ONLY came with a V6 from 2007 onwards.
If you had a pre-2007 Wrangler with a V6 then it was either not factory fitted or it was some special edition i've never heard of.

Actually the way they drive is what we love about them. An off road vehicle is supposed to drive like an off road vehicle; after all, it's all about the adventure. No true off roader wants a CAR ride.

Great if it's a farm vehicle and used a majority of the time off-road.

Bit pointless having off-road type handling on-road if the cars driving the vast vast majority of the time on-road though.


Still doesn't change the fact that it's a crap motor and crap interior with crap level of finish and crap quality of parts used (plastic).
As i say i'm a MX5 driver so i'm the last to call anyone out on their car choice, still doesn't change the facts as they stand though.

 

[santaman2000]

Was that a Wrangler though?

As i say the Wrangler ONLY came with a V6 from 2007 onwards.
If you had a pre-2007 Wrangler with a V6 then it was either not factory fitted or it was some special edition i've never heard of...

It was the standard factory offered vehicle. I bought t new from the dealership (it only had 2 miles on the odometer when I first test drove it) I think there may be a difference in what was/is offered here vs what was/is offered there. As I said, straight 6s haven't been offered here (by Jeep) for decades; just V6 or V8; although off and on they will re-instate a straight 4 cylinder offering (never popular though) These were/are the same engines offered on ALL 1/4 ton Jeep vehicles here; the Wrangler, Cherokee, and the Grand Cherokee anyway, I'm not sure about the Commander or Patriot.

Likewise you have an option for a diesel engine and we don't, except for a brief period it was offered on the Liberty.