Natural anti-bacterial

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rik_uk3

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You forgot to enclose your post in sarcasm tags. I've done it for you in the quote, no need to thank me!
:D

Wish you hadn't as it was not sarcasm, just one of life's observations. I'm 55 being camping since I was 11 and never used the gel (apart from when on ward duty not camping). If my son comes along on a trip I'll take it as so many younger folk seem to think you'll get something really nasty if you don't use the stuff.
 

Toddy

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It's one of those expected courtesies nowadays.........though I don't ever remember getting the squits when camping as a child or young adult, or my kids getting them either and we didn't *have* the handgels, or easy access to washing every ten minutes water. either.

Anti bacterial.........there's a *huge* list. The thing is though, that they don't all grow native to the UK, and even when they are, they might well not grow where you are.
Learn your area and what grows in it is a very sound idea.

However, in mine, quickly obtainable, and easily used to wash hands, etc.,

Birch leaves,
Bog myrtle leaves,
Bouncing Bet (soapwort)
Comfrey (now not advised for oral use and not prolonged skin use either :sigh: )
Coltsfoot (again, not advised anymore........)
Chamomile
Chickweed
Chestnut leaves
Dockens / sorrel
Plantain,
Meadowsweet
Mallow
Yarrow.........(again not advised :confused: )

Do you ever think that maybe we are becoming such a 'blame someone else' culture that we'll totally inhibit any interaction with the natural world for fear that we'll get a buggit or a rash ??
Plants I've used all my life are suddenly proscribed :rolleyes:
I googled the ones I've written above and it's kind of scary it one believes all the contra indications.
I've never had a bad reaction yet to any plant except liquorice and kiwi fruit, yet modern handwashes bring me out in dermatitis so severe I have to remove my wedding rings and leave them off for over a week until the skin heals. How come they're *safe* ??? :dunno:

Sorry, rant over.

I suggest that you try for yourself. Try one plant at a time and see how you get on with it.

cheers,
Toddy..........who's eating her breakfast having been out in the garden and hasn't washed her hands first :)
 
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hello I'm new here and wouldn't you know it this just had to be the first thread that i actually knew something about.
I have learned all I can find about old cultures and at the risk of grossing everyone out.
All Inuit [Eskimo] knew they had a good antibacterial that went with them everywhere they went and if left in a bucket out of the way would actually chemically convert into a powerful form of ammonia that would get rid of lice in the first try and i have used a microscope to prove it.
Soooo ummmmm urine.
just rinse real well if you want to have any friends or maybe just forget this post alltogether.
the more popular idea in more southern climates is wood ash [hardwood prefered]. and for those of you who live in an inbetween climate pine sap is very good and is easy to collect by scarring the bark in a v shape and then driving a carved branch into the tree so it slants slightly down with a notch cut on top of the stick to hold a miniture bucket.pine sap has many uses, antigermicidel,glue,etc.
Now someone said such and such lathers up real well.we have been trained since birth that this is real important[it is not]almost all soaps have a lathering agent that serves no purpose[selling feature]and is bad for the inviroment.and yes i have been an old growth tree spiker [tree hugger].
So hope this helps somebody.if you want to know if something will get ride of germs an old trick is to test it on mouldy cheese.which is very simple and allows anyone to test 100 plants in one weekend jim.
 

silvergirl

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test it on mouldy cheese.which is very simple and allows anyone to test 100 plants in one weekend jim.
Now there's the sign of a miss spent youth :D

I don't remember washing my hands much while camping as a child, and I know a GP who actively encourages her kids to eat soil. My partner on the other hand I sometimes wonder if he's obsesive about hand washing and gels,
I know he thinks I'm too lax, especially when it comes to the kids. He has exzema and I don't :rolleyes:

What are the contraindications for coltsfoot now Toddy?
I've used all the ones on your list at somepoint, and fed comfrey to people :eek:
In fact Yarrow, comfrey and coltsfoot are among my favourite plants, and now they are outcast :confused:

Ah well, I ain't dead yet.
 

Toddy

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Oh me too :)

Scary how paranoid we are becoming. When did folks stop thinking about in season and for reason and always in moderation ? :dunno:

Toxicity
Tussilago farfara contains tumorigenic pyrrolizidine alkaloids.[1] Senecionine and senkirkine, present in coltsfoot, have the highest mutagenetic activity of any pyrrolozidine alkaloid, tested using Drosophila melanogaster to produce a comparative genotoxicity test.[2][3] There are documented cases of coltsfoot tea causing severe liver problems in an infant, and in another case, an infant developed liver disease and died because the mother drank tea containing coltsfoot during her pregnancy.[4][5] In response the German government banned the sale of coltsfoot. Clonal plants of colstfoot free of pyrrolizidine alkaloids were then developed in Austria and Germany.[6]Coltsfoot...........


from here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tussilago_farfara

cheers,
Mary
 

trewornan

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Lavender and rosemary are the most common antiseptic herbs although how effective they are is somewhat dubious. Garlic is supposedly quite antiseptic but wild garlic is very rare (and protected wherever it does grow). Eucalyptus has definite antiseptic properties but although I see it fairly frequently around town and sometimes even semi-wild I've never seen it out in the UK countryside. Sea water is excellent if you're by the sea.
 

Mahikan

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Anti bacterial.........there's a *huge* list. The thing is though, that they don't all grow native to the UK, and even when they are, they might well not grow where you are.
Learn your area and what grows in it is a very sound idea.

However, in mine, quickly obtainable, and easily used to wash hands, etc.,

Birch leaves,
Bog myrtle leaves,
Bouncing Bet (soapwort)
Comfrey (now not advised for oral use and not prolonged skin use either :sigh: )
Coltsfoot (again, not advised anymore........)
Chamomile
Chickweed
Chestnut leaves
Dockens / sorrel
Plantain,
Meadowsweet
Mallow
Yarrow.........(again not advised :confused: )

Do you ever think that maybe we are becoming such a 'blame someone else' culture that we'll totally inhibit any interaction with the natural world for fear that we'll get a buggit or a rash ??
Plants I've used all my life are suddenly proscribed :rolleyes:
I googled the ones I've written above and it's kind of scary it one believes all the contra indications.
I've never had a bad reaction yet to any plant except liquorice and kiwi fruit, yet modern handwashes bring me out in dermatitis so severe I have to remove my wedding rings and leave them off for over a week until the skin heals. How come they're *safe* ??? :dunno:

Sorry, rant over.

I suggest that you try for yourself. Try one plant at a time and see how you get on with it.

cheers,
Toddy..........who's eating her breakfast having been out in the garden and hasn't washed her hands first :)

Sorry Toddy, but I just had to comment on this one. Great list by the way. As a medical herbalist as well as having a science background I REALLY caution folks against googling information especially on the toxicity of plants and the big scare that goes along with it.

The 3 big ones you have laid out as being unadvisable I have to disagree as a scientist and as a herbalist. I have written many papers on these subjects and I could go on forever, but I think I'd get pretty boring with my rant .

I could add a ton of detail to why I disagree with the written works, but I will keep it as brief as I can in terms of the misunderstanding of these so called proofs offered from the bio medical model.

Comfrey: it has been banned here in Canada as well because of some studies done that indicated in a study on Rats in which 33% of the diet was comfrey over long term which resulted in liver cancer of some animals. To date only 4 "suspected" cases of human poisoning by comfrey have been reported (and all of them had current liver conditions). There are 2 insupportable assumptions about this

1. The naturally occuring complex in the plant is a physical dilution of alkaloids and
2. the human metabolism is identical with that of the rat which is susceptible to these alkaloids and not with the sheep that is resistant to them.

Neither 1 or 2 is true! If we test tea, almonds, apples, mustard etc etc with the same conditions which the comfrey was tested (ie 33% of a diet!!) we would find them all to contain dangerous substances that would kill us as well! But in small amounts and with the other chemicals along with them, make them not a bioavailable substance that humans would imbibe. So long winded answer, all other indicators of using comfrey (tons of studies done on humans btw) have shown it to be not only a safe herb, but a very important medicine.

Coltsfoot: The researchers failed to point out the hepatotoxicity of these plants is #1 insignificant in comparison to many of our current medications for other diseases with the premise that it is for the greater good of the patient to tolerate these minor toxins to save a life and #2 Coltsfoot like all plants will change their toxicity level during the varying stages of growth. Coltsfoot is best collected at the root or leaf before it flowers, second best is the root again or leaf, after the flower has dispersed. As for the alleged hepatotoxic reports (liver poisoning), there is a lot that has not been revealed in that paper either. The assumption was in the mother drinking the tea causing liver disease in an infant, however this has been recanted as the actual cause was investigated further. I will see if I can dig out my papers on this and give you more data. The only problem with taking coltsfoot is to avoid it if you have lung edema and avoid it if you are taking medications that interfere with liver enzyme action.

Yarrow: Considered one of the safer herbs to use and I have come across no REAL research to support it as being toxic or dangerous except those who have a severe allergy to the aster family.

My apologies, for my rant, but it is the one big issue I find myself fighting against in the Canadian health care system who think it is a crime to have comfrey, but the addition of MSG (aka hydrolized yeast and many other monikers... google that one) is perfectly ok, even though it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it causes and exacerbates estrogen sensitive cancers and many many other dangerous conditions in humans. Go figure...

Again, sorry for my rant, but I really wanted to get the point across that you will not get accurate information by googling. I mean really, the studies done on comfrey and coltsfoot included a fruit fly!! Yup, we are exactly the same and our physiology responds the same way to.... not

sorry... I did go on there... but my people (Cree Indians) have been using these plants for over 10,000 years, and we are still around to talk about it.

Mahikan
one annoyed-at-the-health-system Native
 

Toddy

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Oh, don't you worry about apologising, your imformation is brilliant :D

The problems we have with an on line community are simply that people look up things on line too.
It's not the first time I've been shouted down (virtually speaking) because some other apparantly more recent web source contradicts either my personal knowledge or my books.

From Silvergirl's post above, she too has used the same plants with the same confidence in their safety and efffectiveness, that I have.

It's good to have some back up with our own experience :D

Incidentally, our coltsfoot (Tussilago) doesn't produce leaves before flowers. The flowers come first, indeed they're just out now. I don't know if your Canadian version is a different plant or not :dunno:

cheers,
Toddy
 

Mahikan

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Hi Toddy,

I'm just getting used to this forum and how to add things and quotes etc, but it seems I'm not so good at it, just not sure how to get the little happy faces etc in... but I'll work at it.

Anyway I digress, indeed our Coltsfoot is a slightly different plant, but essentially all the species are very similar in chemical makeup. So I would go for the root as early as possible (which is a great medicine!) and then if you are after the leaf you can wait till much later (for internal use that is, for external use you can use it pretty much whenever) They make great bandage compresses if you can rough them up and use the underside.

I hope to come across and make it to a bushmoot some time, but alas we are usually pretty booked up that time of year!

Mahikan
 

Calurix

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Bikething & maddave have both said Sphagnum moss as I would, the moss also has the an additional benefit of being used as a wound dressing if something has went a bit wrong.

Regards,
Calurix
 

BorderReiver

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Plants I've used all my life are suddenly proscribed :rolleyes:
I googled the ones I've written above and it's kind of scary it one believes all the contra indications.
cheers,
Toddy..........who's eating her breakfast having been out in the garden and hasn't washed her hands first :)

If you paid attention to all the stuff on any mainstream medication, you'd never use anything.:rolleyes:

Even the first few pages of my car's handbook had dozens of "Danger of Death" notices. I was almost scared to unlock the door.:eek:
 
Toddy: nice one! goodjob



aw, 'cept its not the organic one with olive oil and bits of brown grainy stuff, its the Ayerverdic "contains some neem" variety. Yeah, you've got to watch those Ayerverdic recipes; they put some interesting stuff in 'em. May be why you blistered.

Thanks for having a look though
 
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I'm pretty sure White Pine needles, and probably any pine needles have antiseptic properties. I know you can steep the needles and add it in when making soap to give it antiseptic properties.
 

superc0ntra

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Put birch leaves in a plastic bag, add water and shake until it foams. Was hands in "soap"
Also resin from pine or spruce is anti bacterial. Smear the sticky type or crush dried resin into the wound.
 

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