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Hunting Laws UK

Discussion in 'Lovely Grub' started by discoveringtheforest, Nov 27, 2008.

  1. Bimble

    Bimble Forager

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    Not being a lawyer British Red, I’d say the odds are stacked against me winning a case if I was caught ‘helping myself to the wildlife’......;)

    In case the greedy and rich think they have the right to deny anyone, I think we shall turn to Tolsty. Long live the revelution!

    “The earth is the general and equal possession of all humanity and therefore cannot be the property of individuals”
     
  2. British Red

    British Red M.A.B (Mad About Bushcraft)

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    The value of the credo is neatly encapsulated by the inability to correctly spell its own rallying cry. Such a wonderful illustration of the value of the lowest common denominator would have defeated me. Thank you for showing the effect and credibility of such values.

    Red
     
  3. Dougster

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    Tad harsh maybe Red, but point well made.

    I shoot, rabbits, pheasant, deer (when the buggers are in the sites).

    My family earns in the thirties on the M4 corridor, I sub my wages, struggle on a monthly basis.

    Owning and working land are not about priviledge, it's about shared responsibility and rights. One of the times the two are linked I believe. I shoot on the land of a man who hasn't two ha'pennies to rub together.

    My father grew up on a council estate, worked hard and earned an army comission. He was posted overseas and paid extra for my education here in the UK. I'm discriminated against because of that every day. He retires next week a full Colonel with an MBE.

    Please don't then say the masses have rights over my friends because their fathers worked hard for them. It just pisses me off. You work hard and earn a lot, the next generation believes your son is born with a silver spoon forced down his throat. Arguement ad nauseum.

    Sorry for the gender stereotyping, my sister became a doctor all by herself.

    Just ask the landowner basically. They aren't chinless, selfish individuals normally. Help them, they'll help you just like everyone else.

    OOOOHHHHH that wine was good.
     
  4. British Red

    British Red M.A.B (Mad About Bushcraft)

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    Sorry - I'm kind of with you though Rich. Most farmers etc. I know work very, very hard and have for generations. The idea that all their land should be "shared out" has failed utterly when tried.

    Anyway - we stray towards politics so I will bow out

    Red
     
  5. Dougster

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    Despite being a bottle of red on the side of argumentative last night I stand by what I said.

    The guy who gave me permission to shoot just wants people to enjoy what he does - responsibly. Ask the people who's land you want to hunt on. You'll get loads of nos but then you're bound to hit a yes.
     
  6. jungle_re

    jungle_re Settler

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    I tried, the Duke of Beaufort said no :puppy_dog
     
  7. Dougster

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    Aye, but Jim said yes mate.....:D
     
  8. Minotaur

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    Ex Coldstream Guard proberbly does it himself, or has a man who can.
     
  9. gunslinger

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    Interesting point,but I am unaware of any rabbit disease which would render the meat unfit for human consumption.

    Unless someone knows different?:confused:

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  10. Minotaur

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    Myxomatosis is the obvous one, but does not seem to effect humans, but has jumped species, so you never know.

    Coccidiosis one of the ways to get it is eating tissue, might not kill you but looks like it will make you sick.

    Pasteurellosis is human, and animal, will make you ill, and outside chance could kill you.

    Remember being told to avoid ill looking bunnys, because there was a Rabbit aids, that was bad for us. Anyway remember being told if it looked unhealthy go find another bunny.
     
  11. HillBill

    HillBill Bushcrafter through and through

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    Not sure what its called but there has been a few occasions when i have opened a rabbit up and its liver was covered in white spots.

    A quick google search reveals this....


    Tularemia is a bacterial disease of rabbits that is transmittible to man, usually through openings in the skin. Hunters who notice small white or yellow spots on the surface of the rabbit's liver when they are field dressing it should discard the entire rabbit immediately. During the early stages of the disease the liver can appear normal, though the infected rabbit may behave oddly, move slowly or be easily captured. It is a good idea to wear rubber gloves when dressing a rabbit and it is important to always cook rabbit meat thoroughly. Tularemia is transmitted between rabbits by fleas and ticks. Rabbits die from the disease, so it is not a problem once there has been a good hard frost and the temperature remains cool. A hard frost kills ticks and fleas which carry the disease, and a rabbit infected prior to the freeze will normally die within a few days of contracting the disease.

    Then theres myxi.

    edit: Too slow lol.
     
  12. gunslinger

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    I have eaten mixy rabbit in the past and it will do you no harm at all.

    Coccidiosis is no more likely in rabbit than other animals.

    Pasteurellosis is also likely in cattle ,goats and sheep and in rabbits is called snuffles a disease much more prevalent in domestic rabbits.

    So cant see any real worries there unless you ar a vegetarian.

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  13. gunslinger

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    Not nice at all that one.
    But

    Does not occur naturally in UK.

    North American or type A strain can if untreated be fatal but if treated has a less than 1% mortality rate.
    The type B which does occur in certain areas of europe is far less virulent and not fatal.

    The likelihood of infection by eating rabbit even in the US ,would be from undercooked meat as it is destroyed by thorough cooking.

    Easily treated by a wide range of antibiotics.

    GS
     
  14. HillBill

    HillBill Bushcrafter through and through

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    Myxi does not occur naturally either as you are aware. But the UK is still rife with it.

    If you can eat any rabbit no matter the condition then i'll bow to your obvious experience.

    I personally leave rabbits with myxi and white spots on their livers for the fox's. I never wanted to take the chance.
     
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    Wayland Hárbarðr

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    Despite protests. :bluThinki
     
  16. Minotaur

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    Given the new set up, you would have thought you could argue that it is a more humane way to kill deer etc. It would not be like any one could do it. Is not one of the problems they are having dealing with boar, is that there are not enough people able to get the licence.
     
  17. Bimble

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    Evidently sarcasm in forums is not easy to interpret British Red.........



    I do worry about people who, on finding one insignificant typological flaw in the others statement, take the quantum step to ‘their whole input is thus void’ and instantly pronounce them to everybody, presumably due to some inherent insecurity, as irrelevant.


    Please don't assume to know my political views........ you are so wrong as to show yourself up.:nono:

    And there I was having a nice time talking about 11th century history, and quaint old laws. I didn't think it mattered that much.:dunno:


    "People mistakenly assume that their thinking is done by their head; it is actually done by the heart which first dictates the conclusion, then commands the head to provide the reasoning that will defend it.”
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  18. British Red

    British Red M.A.B (Mad About Bushcraft)

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    I hardly presume to know your political views Bimble.However if you want to quote Tolstoy at me (that is how his name is spelled by the way) - then I will refute the utterly discredited ideals of the man. This is a non political site, but fortunately the ideals espoused by Leo Nikolaevich are not law in this country, nor, thankfully any ideal to which this country has ever aspired. I am eternally grateful for this.


    Red
     
  19. wingstoo

    wingstoo Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)

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    Having known Red for a number of years on this forum and a number of others I can honestly say that "it is better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt"
     
  20. Minotaur

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    Any mods about?

    I think this thread has run its course, and needs to be closed.

    I would post why, but it is going to become Political.

    Also do we really want any threads that even vague have a go at hard working farmers.
     

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