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Ok....heres one that will probably get me in to trouble.
I dont have a problem with codes of practice, associations etc, I think that when they are set up properly and policed, they can improve things.
I work in the asphalt industry. I have seen many people that eminate from the sort of camp sites you would not like to visit, registered to guilds, societies and associations.
Such bodies can have no value. After you pay your fee, you can use the name. Dont mean you are getting anything special. I seem to remember an installment of "Rogue Trader" where they got membership to some crafts guild for a load of primary school kids (and I think their class rabbitt).
Does that mean I cant teach field archery etc properly anymore? Did I not send off my fiver for a lifetimes "no questions asked" membership of some club?
Long live the forums like this. Keep the comments legal, but let people know about your experiences. If several people feel that they had an experience that was a bit pants, then maybe there was something in it.
And another thing - One day, there will be Bushcraft companies that will start complaining about us lot sharing knowledge for free.
I'll get off the
now
I dont have a problem with codes of practice, associations etc, I think that when they are set up properly and policed, they can improve things.
I work in the asphalt industry. I have seen many people that eminate from the sort of camp sites you would not like to visit, registered to guilds, societies and associations.
Such bodies can have no value. After you pay your fee, you can use the name. Dont mean you are getting anything special. I seem to remember an installment of "Rogue Trader" where they got membership to some crafts guild for a load of primary school kids (and I think their class rabbitt).
Does that mean I cant teach field archery etc properly anymore? Did I not send off my fiver for a lifetimes "no questions asked" membership of some club?
Long live the forums like this. Keep the comments legal, but let people know about your experiences. If several people feel that they had an experience that was a bit pants, then maybe there was something in it.
And another thing - One day, there will be Bushcraft companies that will start complaining about us lot sharing knowledge for free.
I'll get off the
now
Rob
Need to contact Admin...
Rob said:
I saw that program too and a lot of the compaines still traded even when their `membership` was removed.
There were quite a few logos/organisations and guilds that ment nothing but who slaps their wrists and stops them ?
I think the best way to tell a good company is to get a recommendation from friends etc.
People who can vouch for the quality, that is what is so good about this forum - we get to exhange our views and experiences and from this make your own mind up :super:
ISWBA is definitely a shifting organisation, I wonder whats going on behind the scenes. Theres a lot of American and Canadian schools added to the list (do they know?) and I note that the UK based Woodsmoke has been dropped from it. Interesting
Anyone received a reply to their enquiries yet?
Anyone received a reply to their enquiries yet?
The last time I looked the page listed schools that had been nominated for membership. That's a clever move; It doesn't imply any affiliation, just that someone has put the organisation forward, and it doesn't state who actually did the nominating.
Hmm, I've just set up a school. I know I'll nominate myself! Look I'm on the register! Give me money! I'm affiliated!Womble said:
Call me cynical but...
I agree. Having someone who has had expirence with the company (in any field, not just bushcraft) would put my mind at ease alot more than some certification from a governing body.....
Ed
Adi007 said:What's the word on the association Maddave ... I really feel the need to have more letters after my name!!!!
I can visualize it now
"Adi007 MDSOB"
): Hmmmm... maybe need to work on the acronym there Mad Dave! Better than ISWBA after your name anyway!
Has anyone else noticed that only one of the schools listed (the Survival School) use the logo on their website? Also, can we expect to see Mors Kochanski putting "MISWBA" after his name from now on.
Also, oddly absent, is the UKs most famous bushcraft personality ...
Also, oddly absent, is the UKs most famous bushcraft personality ...
Wayne said:
I've mailed the info@iswba.com address with some questions, hopefully they will explain a few things and it will all be sorted. It might all just be a big misunderstanding... :?:
Woodlore has gone now, so three big British 'bushcraft' schools - Woodcraft, Woodlore and Woodsmoke have dropped any support for the association...
ALSS (USA) has also been removed from the list.
To be fair, there's been a school added to the list in the last couple of days - Woodland Survival Crafts (UK)
Out of the original schools that were on the list only Bison Bushcraft and Survival School remain. When we first saw the list of schools it was supposed that they were the founding members of the new association, it would seem not, maybe it was the schools that remain from that original list that were the founding members....there again maybe they will drop off the list and then it will have been started by...??? :?:
I mentioned before that I had asked some questions, this is what has transpired so far:
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony [mailto:tony@bushcraftuk.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:20 PM
To: info@iswba.com
Subject: Questions
Hi,
As you are probably aware I am the administrator for the website bushcraftUK. I have received numerous requests for information from members of the site and the general public about your association. I would appreciate it if you could address some of the questions that have been asked of me, so that I may lay the matter to rest with my membership and the general public that frequent the bushcraftUK website.
- Who are the founding members of the association? As described in paragraph of your Constitution.
- How were the Members picked for membership?
- Do organisations have to accept membership or do you add them as members if they are nominated.
- Is membership automatic if there have been nominations by other members of the association, or are there any other criteria that has to be met other than that stated on your website?
- Why have UK and US schools been dropped from the list of members?
- You mention at the bottom of the Home page that - All members should have a reciprocal link from this website to their own. If no link exists, they may not be members - is this the case even if they are listed on your website as members but do not have the reciprocal link?
- How is the association financed?
- Where can I find information on the registration of the Association?
- Is the association owned by the Survival School?
- Did the fellows listed on your website apply for status?
- What is the address and phone number of the organisation?
I have also heard from numerous schools that did not know about the association and yet have been included in the list. If you could explain the procedure to me that allows them to be members when theyve not applied I would appreciate it, then I will be able to answer some of the questions that they often ask of me.
I really would appreciate an answer as soon as possible as Im inundated with questions that I really have no answer to.
Many thanks
Tony Bristow
In reply I received this:
Hi Tony,
Fair questions.
Firstly, all I am doing is administration. I sent you an email last week stating what was going on. I failed to get a reply.
Essentially, the association is non-regulating, non-exclusive and as it states on the website, purely there to foster links internationally and nationally. I have had some excellent responses as well as some sceptical response. This is only to be expected. I have read some of the comments on your website with interest.
I was approached to purchase and run the website, I am not the initiator of the ISWBA. It is merely the ISIA with a change of title to encompass the Wilderness Bushcraft aspect, instead of it just being for Survival Instructors. The association is free for all members. The association is NOT owned by Survival School, only the URL. Someone has to own it.
I have been given names to put on the site. I am just a part of the set up, I can put your questions to the others involved and they will be able to provide more answers. This was launched at the International Survival Symposium. I guess you weren't invited to that one either? Don't worry, not everybody can be invited to everything.
ISWBA
My reply to this was
Another quick one; who are you?
I also need to ask some other questions that have been forwarded to me so I need to send off another email. Feel free to post questions in this thread as I'll ask the person :?: that replied to me if they will spare some time to answer some questions on the forum, or even in the chat room.
I'll keep you all posted.
ALSS (USA) has also been removed from the list.
To be fair, there's been a school added to the list in the last couple of days - Woodland Survival Crafts (UK)
Out of the original schools that were on the list only Bison Bushcraft and Survival School remain. When we first saw the list of schools it was supposed that they were the founding members of the new association, it would seem not, maybe it was the schools that remain from that original list that were the founding members....there again maybe they will drop off the list and then it will have been started by...??? :?:
I mentioned before that I had asked some questions, this is what has transpired so far:
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony [mailto:tony@bushcraftuk.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:20 PM
To: info@iswba.com
Subject: Questions
Hi,
As you are probably aware I am the administrator for the website bushcraftUK. I have received numerous requests for information from members of the site and the general public about your association. I would appreciate it if you could address some of the questions that have been asked of me, so that I may lay the matter to rest with my membership and the general public that frequent the bushcraftUK website.
- Who are the founding members of the association? As described in paragraph of your Constitution.
- How were the Members picked for membership?
- Do organisations have to accept membership or do you add them as members if they are nominated.
- Is membership automatic if there have been nominations by other members of the association, or are there any other criteria that has to be met other than that stated on your website?
- Why have UK and US schools been dropped from the list of members?
- You mention at the bottom of the Home page that - All members should have a reciprocal link from this website to their own. If no link exists, they may not be members - is this the case even if they are listed on your website as members but do not have the reciprocal link?
- How is the association financed?
- Where can I find information on the registration of the Association?
- Is the association owned by the Survival School?
- Did the fellows listed on your website apply for status?
- What is the address and phone number of the organisation?
I have also heard from numerous schools that did not know about the association and yet have been included in the list. If you could explain the procedure to me that allows them to be members when theyve not applied I would appreciate it, then I will be able to answer some of the questions that they often ask of me.
I really would appreciate an answer as soon as possible as Im inundated with questions that I really have no answer to.
Many thanks
Tony Bristow
In reply I received this:
Hi Tony,
Fair questions.
Firstly, all I am doing is administration. I sent you an email last week stating what was going on. I failed to get a reply.
Essentially, the association is non-regulating, non-exclusive and as it states on the website, purely there to foster links internationally and nationally. I have had some excellent responses as well as some sceptical response. This is only to be expected. I have read some of the comments on your website with interest.
I was approached to purchase and run the website, I am not the initiator of the ISWBA. It is merely the ISIA with a change of title to encompass the Wilderness Bushcraft aspect, instead of it just being for Survival Instructors. The association is free for all members. The association is NOT owned by Survival School, only the URL. Someone has to own it.
I have been given names to put on the site. I am just a part of the set up, I can put your questions to the others involved and they will be able to provide more answers. This was launched at the International Survival Symposium. I guess you weren't invited to that one either? Don't worry, not everybody can be invited to everything.
ISWBA
My reply to this was
Another quick one; who are you?
I also need to ask some other questions that have been forwarded to me so I need to send off another email. Feel free to post questions in this thread as I'll ask the person :?: that replied to me if they will spare some time to answer some questions on the forum, or even in the chat room.
I'll keep you all posted.
Sounds like some buck passing going on to me. I dont think we will be hearing too much more from this particular "organisation" in future. Beaurocrats have no place in the woods. :wave:
Can anyone point me in the right direction for the International Survival Symposium? I've looked on the web a bit but not found anything.
Cheers
T
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T
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