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Environment, Action and the Old Days

Discussion in 'Other Chatter' started by C_Claycomb, Sep 19, 2019.

  1. Janne

    Janne M.A.B (Mad About Bushcraft)

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    A thought: vehicle manufacturers were forced to equip vehicles with Catalysts, to remove the CO and hydro carbon particles.
    The engines now produce water and CO2.

    Also, the making of catalysts is quite energy heavy.

    Does the benefits outweigh the negative? Would it not be better for the overall health of Earth to stop fitting them?
    (CO2 is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO.)
     
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    santaman2000 M.A.B (Mad About Bushcraft)

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    The fact that nothing you say (or any of us) or do will make any difference is largely the point.

    -As said, climate change has been going on ever since the earth formed and we’re not going to stop it.
    -Maybe we’ve accelerated it, maybe not (whether it’s speed is steady or varying is basically unstudied
    -Even if we could somehow control it, it still wouldn’t matter . There are other threats of greater impact that are less predictable (the irony of getting climate change under control before the overdue eruption of Yellowstone)
     
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    Janne M.A.B (Mad About Bushcraft)

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    In Europe, we have Mount Vesuvius. Overdue, will ruin some great history, and some stunning beaches....
    Plus kill lots and lots of people. Naples can not be evacuated efficiently.

    But I think there are some benefits with large eruptions, as the particles emitted contribute to a cooler atmosphere for a decade or so. After Krakatoa, the Earth became considerably cooler for decades.

    What I find interesting is how so many people are hysterical about various environmental issues, but do absolutely Zero that is of any use or help whatsoever.. In many cases these people are some of the greatest 'polluters', or their action leads to an increased negative impact.

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    Janne M.A.B (Mad About Bushcraft)

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    The 'Old Days' bit in the title, does it refer to the carelessness and total disregard humans had for Nature ( + Earth) in the old days?

    OMG, the generations born before the 60's did some serious harm! I used to tell my dad that his Generation, to get a good life post WW2, ruined the Earth.

    But, I suspect that what we do today, 'knowing' it is the correct, environmentally acceptable way, will be shown to be wrong.
    I touched on the catalyst problem. Vehicles of today emit a huge amount of CO2. Not good.
    But - nobody is mentioning it?
     
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    What you say or do may do nothing, but doing nothing is worse. Now what about this flat earth ? :woot:
     
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    I don’t think you understand why I specifically referenced Yellowstone. When it does erupt it will be an extinction level event. Nowhere on the planet will survive he ensuing nuclear winter.
     
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    So:
    1) Going happily about your life (doing or saying nothing)
    Is worse than
    2) getting all worked up ranting over the inevitable.
     
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    Janne M.A.B (Mad About Bushcraft)

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    I know about Yellowstone. Been shown and mentioned, with increasingly stronger, DoomsDay scenario for what, 15 years?
    TV, 'net, newspapers, magazines.

    It might be a small, slow event, or a very catastrophic one. Nobody knows.

    Good for Earth, bad for us. Even a relatively small one will contribute to a very cold Earth.
    But not on an Extinction level. None of those are recorded (as far as I am aware) after the Yellowstone eruptions they know about.

    The worst is, many of the Preppers will survive. Emerge from their shelters, blind, toothless, rachitic, with a bunch of inbred children.
    They will rule the Earth.
    :)
     
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    All three known eruptions were extinction level. Or at a level that would be extinction level.
     
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    Not a worldwide extinction level though?
    Wikipedia lists the three last eruptions, and those seem to have (separately) formed the super caldera?
    So no eruption where the whole super caldera erupted
    https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geK9mtUopd4UcAJRdXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEydm8wcmcyBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDQjg3MDZfMQRzZWMDc3I-/RV=2/RE=1569375022/RO=10/RU=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowstone_Caldera/RK=2/RS=Bcv8wDan8TP9toDbNomlWr2j0KA-


    Is it even possible for the whole area to go ? Enough stored energy and pressure for the whole area to erupt?
     
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    No change there then eh?
     
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    With the Earth being Flat, all we need is a rather large broom to sweep all this rubbish off the end,
    and of course a extra large pan to collect it in,
    Then we can debate exactly which colour rubbish bag
    to put it in ti be recycled properly.
    And of course someone( male or female, or bipolar, nonbipolar, metric or non metric, binary or non-binary, etc, etc, to push the brush, and hold he Pan
    have to go lie down now, my head hurts........................lol:eek::eek::eek:
     
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    Well err, in that case then, our houses are old and inefficient, so they are no good anyway. Also the death match will improve the genetic quality of the gene pool. Unfortunately we seem to be breeding in genetic problems into the populace with all the saving of lives etc. If you think about it killing off thoes who have already reproduced is pointless. Thinning the population to the healthy, allergy free, illness free is the only way to go.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/why-are-allergies-on-the-rise_uk_5acdd581e4b0259339ded67c
     
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    With the population as is and the set up of the world very likely serious, us would be knackered anyhoo, europe is far enough north so it would be winter for a couple of years. China and india have no wiggle room to soak up impacts. Africa and south america would be the only places sparcely populated and removed enough to have any chance, and i dont rate thoes really.
     
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