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A guyline Knot/hitch/bend for Poncho and Tarps......

Discussion in 'Bushcraft and survival skills' started by lostplanet, Oct 19, 2012.

  1. lostplanet

    lostplanet Full Member

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    Yes, I am set because it is working and does what I need it to do, if you can improve the design then I am all for it.

    The only tying needed, once on site, is the evenk to the tree you use to tie the line. If you clove hitch to a peg it's even quicker.

    Have you tried making the whole thing in the first picture? and tested it?
     
  2. bilmo-p5

    bilmo-p5 Maker Plus

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    How is the buckle loop less complicated than say, a bowline or fig8, for attaching your cord to your eyelet?
     
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  3. Stew

    Stew Bushcrafter through and through

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    No i haven't made it or tested it but then you were the one that said that it was a figure eight to make it easy to un-tie but now you're not untying it. I'm confused and will just leave you be, I think.
     
  4. lostplanet

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    I would say infinitley less complicated. Attaching your guyline to an eyelet in one second? detaching your guyline from an eyelet in one second. detaching and untying seems to be the time consuming part of any conventional knot.

    I'm going to add some pics with measurements so you can make one in 30 seconds.
     
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    I don't want you to be confused, So I will try to explain myself a bit better, so read the first post (how to tie) again and then try and make the buckle loop, don't worry about the other bits for now.

    Then in the last picture you see how the prong is threaded through the loop, use your finger to create the eyelet that would be in the Tarp.

    Pull on the loop as if tension was applied and you will see that it does not come undone because the stopper knot will not allow the loop to loosen round your finger.

    The idea is that once you have tied the buckle loop, it stays tied and on the end of your guyline. It takes place of the carabiner you may use to connect a guyline to a eyelet.

    The only reason for the knots being able to be easily untied is so sometime in the future you may want to untie the buckle loop for whatever reason you can do that easier without the single overhands being locked tight and very fiddly and irritating to undo.

    I hope that helps, and I will add some more pics for easier initial tying. Please let me know it if doesn't make sense and I will try and explain further. I don't really have the tools to make an instructional video.

    sorry the forum won't let me set spacing so all the text is bunched up.
     
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    Hi, here is another very simple way, and the adjustment is also at the end you want, knots used are bowline on the bight to create two loops, with bowline on the bight loops are very easily adjusted to preferred size so adjust to make one loop bigger than the other, in the larger loop tie a stopper knot of choice (i used ashleys), the loop will pass through eye of tarp and stopper pushed through loop will hold it in place, with the free end of rope coming out of bowline tie a blakes hitch (or your own preffered prusik knot) on the end that will be tensioned. It is now a simple matter to adjust the tension from the tarp end of cord by pulling up slack with the prusik and there is maximium amount of adjustment available as well, when slack is pulled up to tension the cord it will hang loose between bowline and prusik but cord will be fully tensioned. PS the bowline on the bight is used as two loops are needed and they are easily adjusted to size without re-tieing by pushing one loop through to make the other loop longer to allow for the stopper knot to be tied but other knots could be used to make two loops like fig 8 bunny ears etc.

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  7. Stew

    Stew Bushcrafter through and through

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    Fine. I understand the system just not your need to untie but not untie. You're basically making a cord carabiner that you can re-use for emergency cordage.

    Bear in mind that paracord rubbing on paracord is likely to lead to a cut cord if rubbing on the same place all the time. A fast way to cut paracord in a hurry with no knife is to use more paracord - takes seconds. Your fixed loop is always going to have the cord rubbing in the same spot so it may go eventually.

    Undoing a figure of eight isn't always that easy, especially if been under load and been sat for some time. There are better options.
     
  8. Teepee

    Teepee Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)

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    Thats a really neat solution Joonsy ;) I like that :)

    A picture of a no-splice Soft shackle taken from HF(Rope Carabiner). The knot used to make the collar is unimportant, but the neatest is a Solomon Bar. Scarab = Solomon+ Carabiner. Just for academic reasons really, looking at Joonsy's pic above, it'll be pretty redundant anyway used like this.

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    This construction has been destruction tested to 175% of the lines breaking strain. The Diamond/Lanyard knot is the most important part of the shackle for a weight bearing application, such as hammock suspension.
     
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    Ok, I have added some more pictures to post 1 for tying with a pre-made double overhand stopper knot. This just speeds up the process and having to adjust the middle figure 8, loop and stopper.
     
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    Also Thanks to the Mods for making this a sticky, It's my first ever :) I thought it was done by mistake at first but......I am honored.
     
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    I just noticed this, neat idea, I will try it, thanks for posting. :)
     
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    [​IMG]Apart from the knotting Bible Ashleys book of knots there are some great inexpensive apps for knotting not sure if they are available on Android but they are on iOS - Knots 3D- & Grog Knots
     
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    American prussic, make a loop, wrap 3 times around thumb 2 x round rope then pass working end through loops on thumb. tighten and should be able to take strain either way. simples. pnl
     
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    Be interested to see how people got on with the knot buckle bend loop thingy?
     
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    thats a bachmann knot on a crab. very old prussic. decent knot. better a klemheist. look it up. even works on frozen rope. most prussic knots slip in this case.
     
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    Updated with fresh Pics
     

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