well mates I'm sorry to say me and the other half are going our seperate ways, the p.c. is hers so I'll be off the air for several months, It's been a privalage and a pleasure to get to know you all and i will definatly miss the forum, heres my new mailing address, maybe someone can drop me a note now and then and let me know how it goes, m. curtis c/o p.o. box 1251 chiloquin, oregon. 97624. thanks mates, hope to be back in the spring , till then take care and long live bushcraft !!!