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Harvestman

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One of my work colleagues, after stumbling over a sentence yesterday (I work in a call centre), said to her caller, "I'm sorry, I don't seem to be able to speak English tidy today"
 

boatman

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Not only Indian words through Romany but those the British Army brought direct from India such as bungalow. There is pukka along with its opposite cuch or kucha. Bundook is probably now an obsolete term for rifle.
 

xylaria

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dioch yn fawr. It has really useful pointers.

Since arriving in the country 2 years ago I have as any good immergrant have been attempting to learn the language and costumes. I have failed. The wenglish spoke in my valley is welsh with english words, phrases such as "tidy like" "well I never" turn up in welsh conversation.

I asked my neighbour if the welsh name for cockoo pint was rude or vulgar, the name is pidyn y gog. She said she couldnt remember the what the welsh name of the plant was, and she didnt know about "those things" when I asked for a translation of pidyn.
 
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joejoe

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I then lived out of a rucksack for a while before settling in West Wales
Never been a Geordie though... :) dont worry nobodys perfect
 

The Cumbrian

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Great. I'm a Cumbrian currently living in Derbyshire but about to move to North Wales. My new landlady is a lovely woman, but I can't pronounce her forename and I have to call her Mrs Jones.

I hope to learn a couple more words in Welsh than I did in Swedish; I worked in Sweden for almost half a year and all I learned was how to say thank you.
 

Harvestman

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Great. I'm a Cumbrian currently living in Derbyshire but about to move to North Wales. My new landlady is a lovely woman, but I can't pronounce her forename and I have to call her Mrs Jones.

I hope to learn a couple more words in Welsh than I did in Swedish; I worked in Sweden for almost half a year and all I learned was how to say thank you.

North Walian is a whole other language to what is spoken in the South Wales valleys.

I work in a call centre, so I speak to people UK-wide: geordies, scousers, cornishfolk, scots, nor'n irish, brummies, etc, but the only one I have any trouble understanding is the North Walian accent. And I'm Welsh!
 

Toddy

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Did I not say before ?
Southwest Scotland was in the early medieval considered to be that part of Scotland that was in Wales....therefore one could say that North Wales is part of Scotland :D

Now there's a mix up of languages :D
M
 

demographic

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You are right of cause ratcatcher a lot of market slang words are old romany words that were used in trading and the word rom is infact the name of the language of the romanies and the language cumes from India and over the centuries the language has changen to suit the area the romanies traveled.A good romany word is yog and i look forwerd to next one with you Alan.

Paani being used to mean water round here, that's a Romany one which comes from ancient Sadscrit.
Paanibar being an umbrella:)
 

santaman2000

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dioch yn fawr. It has really useful pointers.

Since arriving in the country 2 years ago I have as any good immergrant have been attempting to learn the language and costumes. I have failed. The wenglish spoke in my valley is welsh with english words, phrases such as "tidy like" "well I never" turn up in welsh conversation......

Turns up in American a lot too. At least in the South.
 

Goatboy

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A lawyer in Peterhead has translated the bible into doric, not a Christian myself but it makes interesting reading.

LUKE’S GOSPEL, CHAPTER 2 Original: And in the same region there were shepherds out in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And an angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were filled with fear.
Doric: Noo, there wis thereaboots some shepherds oot i the parks, watchin ower their sheepies, fan an angel o e Lord cam till them an e Lord’s glory wis sheenin aa roun them. They were terrafeet.

LETTER FROM PAUL TO THE GALATIANS, CHAPTER 5 Original: You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.
Doric: Ye see, ma loons an quines, ye’re cried on tae be free, bit dinna lat iss freedom lead ye tae hoorin, bit throwe luv serve een anither. Bit gin ye fecht wi een anither teeth an claa, ye canna bit expec att ye’ll dee ill tae een anither.

I wonder if you could translate something if I didn't put up the English first?

"Dinna lay bye for yersel a hantle o trock in iss warl, far it’ll get aa roosty an moch etten, an a thief mith braak in an pinch it. Bit gaither in for yersel treasure in hivven."
 

northumbrian

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This is an explanation I've seen in a few places for "crap"

"The word crap is actually of Middle English origin; and hence predates its application to bodily waste. Its first application to bodily waste, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, appeared in 1846 under a reference to a crapping ken, or a privy, where ken means a house.Its most likely etymological origin is a combination of two older words, the Dutch krappen: to pluck off, cut off, or separate; and the Old French crappe: siftings, waste or rejected matter (from the medieval Latin crappa, chaff).[SUP]" From Wikipedia[/SUP]

what about this one --
The Geordie word netty,[SUP][61][/SUP] meaning a toilet and place of need and necessity for relief[SUP][61][/SUP][SUP][62][/SUP][SUP][63][/SUP] or bathroom,[SUP][61][/SUP][SUP][62][/SUP][SUP][63][/SUP] has an uncertain origin,[SUP][64][/SUP] though some have theorised that it may come from slang used by Roman soldiers on Hadrian's Wall,[SUP][65][/SUP] which may have later become gabinetti in the Romanic Italian language[SUP][65][/SUP] (such as in the Westoe Netty, the subject of a famous painting from Bob Olley[SUP]http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/#cite_note-Netty897-65[/SUP]
 

John Fenna

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North Walian is a whole other language to what is spoken in the South Wales valleys.

I work in a call centre, so I speak to people UK-wide: geordies, scousers, cornishfolk, scots, nor'n irish, brummies, etc, but the only one I have any trouble understanding is the North Walian accent. And I'm Welsh!
Aye but - Gogs are ...gogs!
 

John Fenna

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Did I not say before ?
Southwest Scotland was in the early medieval considered to be that part of Scotland that was in Wales....therefore one could say that North Wales is part of Scotland :D

Now there's a mix up of languages :D
M
No no no - all the Scots are Welsh!
And Cornwall was known as "South Wales", the Lakes were "North Wales" (Cumbria/Cambria - the same name basically) - lets face it - "Welsh" only means "forigner" in the Saxon (Sassanach/Sais) lingo!
It is time we drove the Sea Wolves back into the sea!
Sorry - I am re reading Rosemary Sutcliffe at the moment ...
 

Laurentius

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Did I not say before ?
Southwest Scotland was in the early medieval considered to be that part of Scotland that was in Wales....therefore one could say that North Wales is part of Scotland :D

Now there's a mix up of languages :D
M
Didn't William Wallace' name actually mean William the Welshman?
 

xylaria

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The really interesting bits arent the differance but the bits that are the same.

As a welsh learner, the lack of yes and no is brain meltingly alien. Until it you translate it not normal english but northern dialect.

eg Is it cold today? Aye it is.
Am i right about this? you are that. you naigh right

Maybe our wierdities came from somewhere weird.

Does anyone know the orgin of the word "dirty". I remember stopping a small asain girl was about to put her hand in cat muck by accident, i yelled dirty and pointed. The small girl looked at me in total confused horror. In urdu s*** is "dirthy". I have always wondered if the word came from urdu.
 

Goatboy

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Dirt (noun)15th century. metathesis of Middle English drit, drytt "mud, dirt, dung" (c.1300), from Old Norse drit, cognate with Old English dritan "to void excrement," from Proto-Germanic *dritanan (cf. Dutch drijten, Old High German trizan).

Used abusively of persons from c.1300. Meaning "gossip" first attested 1926 (in Hemingway); dirt bike is 1960s. Dirt-cheap is from 1821. Dirt road attested by 1852.
 

John Fenna

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"Poppycock" meaning "nonsense" orinates from the Dutch (please forgive my spelling) "pappy cack" meaning, basically, soft poo!
"Cack-handed" for "clumsy" or even left handed basically means "poo handed" ....
 

Goatboy

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"Poppycock" meaning "nonsense" orinates from the Dutch (please forgive my spelling) "pappy cack" meaning, basically, soft poo!
"Cack-handed" for "clumsy" or even left handed basically means "poo handed" ....

Which culturally must be similar to Arab countries where they historically consider the left hand to be used for self sanitation and so not used for tasks like eating and greating. Which must make being a Boy Scout difficult in Arabia. :)
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